Sigh. So after years of spending an infinite time pointing out the good and bad in the game, and hating on online play and gambling, I'm being painted as the pro-lootboxes Konami lover. Let me start by reminding everyone I have never accepted a dime from Konami, not that there's anything wrong with that as long as it's disclosed, and that I recently spent 4 months making a video, 8-12 hrs a day, and that if I had spent this time begging for change at traffic lights, I would have made 10x more money than this video generated, but I choose to spend my time this way because I love this game and playing PES constitutes probably 95% of my gaming time despite an ever-growing list of Steam games I keep buying but never installing.
Anyway....
No I'm not pro-gambling, I facepalm like everyone else when I hear about those FIFA players who spent $1000 on FUT to get the players they want etc. In a game that favors assistance so badly like FIFA, they can actually manipulate your assistance to make you want to buy a new striker etc. So everything I say about Konami is RELATIVE to the only competitor, which offers packs you don't really know what's in, and you can easily keep getting the same player over and over again. Again, Konami aren't being "relatively nice" because they want to. They are being relatively nice because they have to, since FIFA offers a more appealing package with their licenses, but not with their gameplay which most FUT players don't care much about.
And that's my point here, if Konami is to appeal to FUT players, they wouldn't be making the game harder to play. But so far through their gameplay announcements, YES, there are omissions but there is also a shift away from assistance in many core mechanics, and this is a big deal towards guaranteeing (or making it less likely) that Konami wouldn't interfere as much as EA does with your assistance level to force you to buy new players.
How can you say this with any confidence, and after several of us have played and remembered the NFGOPT, in which it felt extremely dumbed down.
How can YOU make with any confidence, any conclusion about how the gameplay feels based on the mid-July beta? Even when the game "launches" in 10 days, we won't have several of the new gameplay mechanics ready. Don't get me wrong, and I must apparently make this very clear: I thought the NFG gameplay looked HORRENDOUS. So much that I made a decision to stay with PES 2021 for the foreseeable future. It was an easy decision already given how incredible the mods made it from a visual standpoint. It was only after the gameplay details started leaking with the new mechanics etc, that I decided it's probably a good idea to get used to these evolved mechanics and see how bothered I am by the omissions, which in my opinion as KnightMD, don't outweigh the improvements, if they do in fact turn out to be as good as I think they are.
We have been milked & lied to already, we aren't even a blip on the radar anymore. They are now blatantly going for younger people & the FIFA crowd. This isn't about you or how much you spend, you are normalizing predatory practices with every sentence.. comparing electronic gaming to restaurant food?
We have been lied to when they announced the Messi teaser. The game we saw in the leaks looked horrible from a visual standpoint. BUT, we did see glimpses of next-gen grass in the Gamescom trailer. And by glimpses, it was basically less than a second.
Again, I would LOVE every country in the world to follow Belgium and make FUT practices illegal. Buying packs, hoping you get a player you want in them should not be legal. This is gambling and it should be illegal. You need to know exactly what you're buying, but from a psychological standpoint, paying X dollars to buy Y player isn't as exciting as opening a pack and hoping Y player is in it. So the latter makes people pay more and buy more and get some endorphins pumping down their veins when they get that player they wanted. This means more packs being bought and more money. Maybe it's the late-30s in me, but "C'est la vie". Don't blame the players, blame the game. Governments (except Belgium?) are allowing it to happen, so game companies who aren't charities and are out to make the most money *will* abuse it. As a player, you have a choice: Stick to offline, or play online and use your FUMA skills rather than rated player assistance to get your satisfaction. What I have been doing for the past year is very strongly advocate for FUMA because this is the best weapon against these predatory practices, and when a player feels the satisfaction of scoring on FUMA, it will feel better than the satisfaction you get scoring with an expensive player with the game's assists holding your hand. What I have been doing is preparing for this inevitable moment when PES decides to go full FUT, which they are starting to this year. The more FUMA players to play with, the more fun there is to have, without having to pay a ton of money for the best players.
Now if they remove the ground pass function this will easily be the best game ever. Use it all the time and it makes playing the game so soooo easy. Makes me feel I have no honour when I defeat my enemies!
Hahaha. That's not what I meant. Pre-Physical Defending, I just held down Pass and my player ran in and stole the ball (yes, I needed to avoid a foul by making sure he goes in from the correct angle etc), and if things were bad, I'd call in a second defender to come in and do the same. It was easy, and it was heavily assisted.
Do I agree with removing second defender calling? No.
Do I think they should keep the old system? No.
I agree with what was mentioned here: Keep the second defender call, but have him just motion match along with the main defender you're controlling, without stealing the ball. Yes absolutely. That's what I'll probably say when/if I review eFootball's gameplay.
Surely you aren't basing this off of the leaked footage of clueless people that were accidentally using manual passing.
C'mon. I find it hardly UNLIKELY that the default passing was set to no assists for those noobs. They couldn't even run properly. Everyone who played the game said passing was more "manual" even with assists. This is a big PLUS for Konami, and I was so afraid that they'd move towards more assists when it seemed they were going FTP, just to sell more players. The move towards a more manual feel, along with the ugly cursor that tells you where you're pointing, is a BIG BIG PLUS move. I know that here we (as I've witnessed first hand) get killed for saying anything positive about Konami, but I won't shy away from pointing out a positive when I see one, even if it won't make my voice a popular one.
It's weird how quickly someone can go from making reasonable points to sperging out and trying to defend the indefensible with strained, tenuous arguments.
As I said, I won't shy away from pointing out a positive just because it's not a cool thing to say around here. Yes, moving away from assists and towards a more pro-FUMA way was a big and good surprise that I didn't expect from Konami, given the fact more money is made using more assists, since it tells players to pay money to get better players with better assists, instead of relying on their own skills.
Claiming that the FUT business model is way worse without expanding on why.
Well, it's worse because the gameplay doesn't reward real life tactics, and it doesn't reward real-life playing. It rewards Agile Dribbling and circus skills and it rewards those who pay to have faster players who can dance around with the ball. At least Konami's gameplay is the opposite of that, and given the new gameplay direction, it's moving towards rewarding your skills as a gamer with less emphasis on assistance. Don't think in terms of black and white. In that sense, they're both pro-gambling companies in the black. And your government is happy to see them there, so what you can do as a gamer is choose the lesser of two evils.
It's almost like you watched the Yong video and instead of reacting with disgust like most fans would do, zeroed in on the one thing in eFootball that's not quite as bad (not getting repeat players, which might only apply to this ambassador pre-order pack) and thought "great I can use this to defend Konami against the hAtErS".
Listen, nobody here will move from football gaming to another genre. We will keep on playing football games in our leisure times. I'm not defending Konami in absolute terms, I'm defending the direction the gameplay is headed to, away from assists which is not the direction I expected a FTP game that wants to push for Pay-to-Win mechanics. Maybe my expectations were so low (I thought they'd try to minimize FUMA) but it seems that they are seeing the fun factor in FUMA and are trying to reward players who go for that, even if it meant less opportunities for a pay-to-win scenario.
I did think it was odd that you only focused on the positives in your videos
The last video was titled "5 new Gameplay features". What about I supposed to talk about? Even in that video, I emphasized the missing stuff and how unacceptable it was at this stage. You want a full breakdown of the good and bad? Watch my 96 minute review, which is how much time I needed to show the good and bad of the game. Not every video will be a 96-minute review just because it's not cool to make a focused video. This is akin to going to a "Shooting tutorial" video and commenting that the author didn't talk about tackling or how bad it was. Some people want to just know what they should be excited about in the new gameplay, and I wanted to share what I was excited about in the new gameplay.
Wants negatives? I spend half an hour talking about referees and collisions, and player ball awareness and passing and animations etc. That won't be in every video.
how is removing right stick switching to force people into "duels" not dumbing the game down? Right stick switching, being able to select exactly the right player on the fly, is one of the bigger skill differentiators in a football game.
I agree. Now I didn't use this right stick movement at all, to be honest, I didn't because I didn't even know it existed. Maybe if someone had made a video about "lesser known tips and tricks" I would have known it? But then said person would be massacred for "promoting and defending a pro-gambling practice". Back to your question, yes I agree I have no idea why it was removed. Maybe there's another way to move other players? It sucks for those who used it and there's no defending that.
I really hope there aren't any perverse incentives in play here, given that you have a PES YouTube channel that gets quite a few views.
Incentives? I almost advised everyone to stick to PES 2021 for offline play on PC. I never got a dime from Konami. Everything I do on YouTube is in my free time and I make videos about what I want to talk about. I made a 96-minute video over 4 months just to show what I loved and hates about the game, and spent a great deal of time trying to push for a way to play the game that is anti-Pay2win. If it weren't for the new gameplay mechanics -which I am yet to try- I wouldn't see ANY reason to switch to eFootball as an offline player. Why would anyone? I have 700 stadiums and photorealistic grass and fog already. eFootball wont look that good for at least a year. It wasn't till I started reading about the gameplay improvements -no thanks to Konami's marketing or leaks- that I started seeing the value in moving over to this new game to get used to the new mechanics.
Fine always been like this... But from some sources, the prices are pretty high.
That's what i fear the most in fact, and in total it would be a very higher price than the full game on Disc or Digital.
That would be very concerning. I don't play Master League, but I paid for it as part of the full package every year. I might give it a try depending on how much free time I have. But to pay +$60 for offline modes and edit, would be a very bad decision on Konami's end. Just price it the way every year's game is priced. It's bad enough those modes are coming in freakin January.
Just off my experience of the NFLGBTQ+ beta, I think the ball looking more free might be from some reduction in assistance on the default passing assistance level. I played on manual, but those I played against with assisted passing were mis-placing passes way more than on last gen.
Exactly, and you can see evidence of that all over the leaked footage with the noobs playing. I heard it from first impressions of NFG, and I saw it with my own eyes in the leaks. The assists are "less assisted". This is a big plus in my eyes, and a big risk for Konami as it might alienate non-FUMA players, which is why they added the ugly cursor to help them.
I want to ask you a question and you can of course feel free to tell me to sling my hook if you so wish, but do you rely on your videos for income?
I'm not sure if you know that, but gaming videos are the least money-making videos on youtube, compared to tech reviews or educational videos. If I spent those 4 months begging for change at traffic lights during those 4 months I made my single video, I would have ended up with more money. I make those videos because I enjoy making them and I enjoy showing people why I love this game, and how I think it can be improved.
I don't feel that it is right and if you run a channel that is growing and has many followers you DO need to think of the content you are putting out there. This is a form of gambling after all.
Anything I said in any of my videos has been 100% ANTI-MyClub, ANTI-FUT, and ANTI-Pay-to-win. Don't confuse "I think this guy makes a decent pizza" with "I think this guy is the chosen one, the ultimate good, and the best person in the world". Just because I praised the direction gameplay is moving towards, doesn't mean I'm "pro-gambling, pro-packs, pro-cards!".
Talking about it like "always been" as a different thing that was F2P it's just hilarious.
Why? Last year, did you need to pay money to play MyClub? What about the year before, and the year before? If MyClub was all you did, you really didn't need to buy the full game. On PS4, you only needed to have Playstation Plus. Not this year. Again, I feel like I need to keep mentioning I'm anti-gambling even when it's not relevant to what I'm saying, except because I said something that can be taken as "Defending Coinami". I'm just saying, MyClub was free. I didn't play it, I don't want to play it, but it was free.
Just because they released a light version after some months doesn't eliminate the fact that myClub was/is initially part of the full paid product
MyClub was free. It was also part of the paid product. Yes? Now, there is no "paid product". They are making offline gamers pay for their packages instead, which depending on the price, sounds like a better thing? I don't want to pay for Master League if I won't be playing it. If I were a MyClub player, I wouldn't want to pay for offline modes if I'm not using them.
You continue to ignore the fact that physical contact animations between players are still laughable like are ported directly from the last PES versions, and the physical defending without some acceptable physical contacts or inteligent AI it's just moot.
*Spends an hour talking about how bad the animations are, with a heavily edited video that took months to make*
*Gets accused of ignoring how bad the animations are*
C'mon. I was talking about the new gameplay features. I wasn't talking about "THINGS THAT HAVEN'T BEEN FIXED YET!". Not every video will be an hour long.
That's not an excuse for a game "developed" for at least 2 years especially knowing that has assets ported into it from the previous games.
Oh no it's not an excuse. As I previously said, something horribly wrong happened at Konami that after at least two years of development, we have:
- A game that *looks* like that, weeks before launch.
- A game with core gameplay features missing and "coming soon", including freakin tactic editing
I can't preorder an acceptable offline experience, but instead I can preorder gamble two months in advance.
Why would you even preorder an offline experience? I wouldn't. As for the gamble pack, like any preorders, companies use it to show to shareholders how interested people are in a game and how likely it is to succeed. I don't defend or condone it, so I'm not sure why you're acting like I was?
It looks like I need to be excited about some features as dribbling or few features that are improving sligthy the game, and everything else can go to hell...
No everything else doesn't have to go to hell. But yes, I am excited that finally there's a way to slow down my run without having to hold down L1 and move the right stick, when I could just tilt my left stick a little less. And no, changing how we dribble and how we defend and how we tackle and how we shoot isn't a "slight" chance of the game. It's the biggest gameplay change we've seen in a decade. Yes I need to know that collisions, offsides and fouls have been fixed, but I'm GLAD that many gameplay nuisances have been addressed. I repeat: Nothing needs to go to hell, I'm just saying "This apple tastes good" while you're saying "So you mean all the other food I brought just sucks?". Uh, no. I'm pointing out what I like, and I won't spend an extra hour every time pointing out what I don't like.
Relative terms, quantum mechanics, the bermuda triangle, in search for the absolution... we are getting too technical here for something that we shouldn't...
Like it or not, with PES/FIFA, everything needs to be in relative terms. I talk about passing in relation to the competitor, and to real life. Likewise, PES's scummy tactics in MyClub can be judged in absolute terms (e.g. Scummy, pro-gambling), and relative terms (e.g. Less pro-gambling than FUT, more fair than FUT, with a less Pay-to-win gameplay than FUT). Putting them both in the same tactic is just an invitation for Konami to go full FUT since it means more money, and they aren't gaining any points by being less scummy than EA.
Again, you didn't played the game yet, you can't make that affirmation that the official gameplay is solid until you play it, that's a straight bias.
What bias? I haven't played the game yet, which is why I didn't make a review or first impressions video. I'm saying "Here's the new gameplay features I'm excited about".... whether or not that translates to a more enjoyable experience, that's what we'll find out.
– truly the nadir of this entire release period!
, they could purchase those pre-order packs for 100 times in a row? (kind of: smack the shit out of that button !!!) That alone could be quite inspiring for a mass manipulation between "competitors":
