Well it's just about when you said about your score in PES 2016, to me it was a goalfest as the GK was too weak for the bullet you could've launch : resulted to high score especially on my side lol.
Fifa 16, i can't tell i'm a fan but it's probably the one i played the most on PS4 / not because i liked it in fact, i gotted more playing time lol. But only online.
Feeling, well, i didn't really liked Ignite overall physics feelings so... Well to me it was just the more "acceptable" i played with the 17, with the recoil i place both on the same level of acceptability, but i played more by default, much more by habits than because i really enjoyed it unfortunately. Same as i played the 15 just for winning the 1st division even if it was is the worst football game from my point of view i played, tennis score, no inertia etc. The most boring, the less predictable. I didn't enjoyed to score to be honest neither on 16 or 17, and scoring was always the same straight shoots goal, or enter on the goal, even if i tried header and all, i don't know but it didn't worked or i was bad in that area.
I suppose with sliders vs AI on career mode it's different, but i'm totally against slider like i've said i'm a football game communist : same game for everyone and assuming choice. It's dumb perhaps but i don't like to talk with someone who got a total different experience because of sliders and all.
The issue with it is we're all talking not only from a different point of view when sliders didn't existed but it's just because we played differently; but now we're even more confused when we talk about our Fifa experience. Even if the fundamentals will stay, experience may change totally. And i don't believe about "one set of sliders for everyone to have a simulation" : lots of people plays differently, perhaps your sliders makes the task easier for them to score if they play in a certain way. Well enough said about slided, in PES we got only slow/normal/fast haha and it's already pretty different when you change it.
PES 2017 i retried, and it's not at all like in my remember, as we talked with a friend 3 or 4 month ago, it's not at all what i expected, memories sometimes are very strange.. In fact you can turn how you want with very very small inertia (not enough to be realistic, less than PES 6), founded it a bit too fast, there no input lag but GK are good and it's overally well balanced. It's very dynamics, and shoots are very similar.
Physics where better PES 2019 to 2021, ball, motions, contact edit: and i forgot the most important shooting variety etc. and i understand one thing, if you want realistic physics, you got to wait for the player finishing his movement, it's not really input lag but we all call it like that, that's part of the animation to me that a player can be faster than real physics, like on PES 5 as a good example there was a lot of that.
Yes i accord a lot of importance in physics, including with the ball, and contact, but i don't takes physics like an UFC game lol, AI too, but i tend to switch a lot and takes control by myself. Also, if i saw a boost from the AI what you call "script" i don't hesitate to goes very harsh with sliding tackle. So not an issue to me. A bad AI to me is one you can score as much as you could, i found 20-21 AI pretty hard and challenging in comparison to others title where i needed to play in a certain way, with "handicaps", i don't need on those game : i don't need to play manual for example (i've never been a fan, in fact i always dreamed about "semi" on PES lol, it's that or normal assistance as now they're only 2 level i think)
One last thing: a long as we got a game everyone can found the fun he research or even "not fun" (personnally i can play with game no fun but super interersting in terms of complexity), well you know what i mean, i'll be happy. I don't think about my own ass, i really want when a games cames out everyone to enjoy it in his way. Even if i'm, like i said, a bit a football communist as a (semi) joke, because sometimes we're completely lost because we don't talk exactly about the same game because we don't play the same way (one manual with XXX type of slider, semi shooting, one with all Semi in Legendary, one online sometimes we're loosing our mind talkin about our experiences
