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In survey they ask how satisfied we are from this product comparing pes 2021 in key factor of the game as team strategy , response even animation .
Now I am afraid that this is the main product. Ohhhhh GOD .
Let’s try to give our dissatisfaction of this horrible thing via survey .
I did my part. I mostly answered i was not satisfied. This is the most clear sign this beta is the game we will get, not some mobile port, otherwise they wouldn't have asked about referee, shooting system, dribbling system, etc.
 
If this is really the base game for this generation, and as much i love PES for the greatest moments they provided me in the past, i really hope this turns in a worst case than cyberpunk 2077 was, and that they get slaughtered by all media.

If this is what PES is going to become i really hope this franchise comes to an end really soon, and they start calling the game new football game for real, and leave us at least with good old memories of PES from the past, games that we could call "football", not this. Maybe than some other company tries to enter with a new football game.

I just hoped that my xbox series X dev mode allowed me to play PES 5 and 6 in multiplayer online with retroarch :), that would be my football fix for sure

PS - i did answer the query, and stated all as dissatisfied or very dissatisfied. I would ask everyone to do the same (we all know it will not do anything but still)
 
True, to a point, but I think we can tell enough already that this game is not underpinned by some amazing new physics or AI engine..

My point though was, if they manage to make it look good, there'll be plenty of people satisfied, no matter how it plays.
Nah, until a few months ago, people were expect a new game from ground up. Cuz they said "we're taking pes to a whole new level". At least I myself was expecting a new game.( You know the new physics, new smart AI, a fresh fluit gameplay, new graphics, autenthic atmosphere etc.)
 
If this is really the base game for this generation, and as much i love PES for the greatest moments they provided me in the past, i really hope this turns in a worst case than cyberpunk 2077 was, and that they get slaughtered by all media.

If this is what PES is going to become i really hope this franchise comes to an end really soon, and they start calling the game new football game for real, and leave us at least with good old memories of PES from the past, games that we could call "football", not this. Maybe than some other company tries to enter with a new football game.

I just hoped that my xbox series X dev mode allowed me to play PES 5 and 6 in multiplayer online with retroarch :), that would be my football fix for sure

PS - i did answer the query, and stated all as dissatisfied or very dissatisfied. I would ask everyone to do the same (we all know it will not do anything but still)
This is never going to happen with anual sports games, since they got the "we come back next year stronger" argument.
 
My opinion:

- first of all its not a mobile version or something (doesnt make sense)
- its bad (obviously) and overall way worse than 2021
- I think they ported it over the new engine and got into many problems
- the resolution is low quality because of the file size and beeing beta-
- Full game will look like this but in 4K
- the full game gameplay will be way better but 100% based on this version
- overall legacy issues ported over from old engine
- keepers are a joke (stuck to their line & superhuman + aweful animations)
- responsiveness will be better offline and on launch
- there are A TON of animations missing
- overall we will see this version on launch but drastically improved
- lets end with one positive: dribbling is better than before :)
 
Remember that we come from a modded PES 2021 in terms of graphics so the slaughtering on the graphics makes no sense to me because it is in line with previous PES releases
However we expect them to upgrade it from the previous version that’s true
Only IF this is the final product, I’m most impressed (in a negative sense) about how the game looks in Unreal compared to FOX engine, it seems an upgraded Fox engine game instead of unreal engine
 
I'm really shocked after the release of this online test version. I can't believe it, does this mean the online test version of the pes 2022 game? It's really shocking and frustrating. Surprisingly, the game has not been officially shown yet. Not even an official photo of the official version of the game has been released. The development team has not given a single photo of the game to the magazines with each magazine it has spoken to.

Everything remains hidden and unknown. Is this online test version a very early version of the game? What is the production code of the game production process? Is this just the beginning of building a game? I mean, the development team of the main foundation of the game starts from the mobile version. And then it plans to produce its ninth generation game based on this foundation.

If so, the online test version that was released should be the original version. A raw and naked version.

The game has not been officially released. No official photos of the game are shown. Next, will the development team release a demo version of this game? This is the work of the game development team، It is not in harmony with reason at all.

If this version of the online test is close to the original version of the game, we will have to face a catastrophe. And if not, and this online test version is just the foundation of the initial development of the game, we can keep our little hope. On the other hand, we look at the words of the development team. They say this version is improving and getting better. They talk as if this online test version is very close to the original version of the game. Everything is really unknown and strange.

There has been a lot of criticism of the online test version all over the internet. And the catastrophic point is that this online test version is called the PES 2022 demo version. That is, in the advertising part of the game, it has been hit hard.

Konami is no longer the company we knew in the sixth generation and before, and I no longer feel close to it.

The director and producer of the game The actors of the game are gone and our voice is muffled in the net.

This is our last hope for a real and wonderful ninth generation game. I hope Omid returns home with the game on 21 July . But I have a lot of doubts that this will happen. Everything looks black and dark.
 
This is absolutely KONAMI laziness. In 2 years, instead of making a completely new game, they took some elements from the fox engine and the mobile version and tried to make a new game.
 
Im a Senior UX Designer at a global software company, we deal with showing rough and ready concepts all the time, but there would be no way on earth we would show anything like this. An absolute marketing disaster. And if it turns out that Konami are wrapping the mobile game together with next gen consoles, I hope it bombs and puts them out of business for being a bunch of lazy, greedy bastards.
 
Thanks pal, I wrote that post before trying the beta indeed.
I couldn't find a difference in speed on Xbox One between RT fully pressed and RT pressed halfway but it might be me not paying enough attention (I was concentrating more on responsiveness/stuttering/lag as that's what is allegedly being tested).
If they used haptic feedback on PS5 (making triggers harder to press as soon as a player gets tired) it could be a huge thing. Too bad that on PC I won't have that anyway (Xbox 360 controller here on PC, I like it better than the Xbox One one). 😁
Yeah I have to say I'm not sure how pressure sensitive it is myself yet! But at least that seems to be the intent. The left stick stuff works nicely so far though, in my experience.

Re the haptics.. I dunno if it would actually be good! I know people started turning that off for COD, where they found ti started making their hands ache :LOL: Of course, for competitive play people also turn it off because it slows down their response times.
 
Im a Senior UX Designer at a global software company, we deal with showing rough and ready concepts all the time, but there would be no way on earth we would show anything like this. An absolute marketing disaster. And if it turns out that Konami are wrapping the mobile game together with next gen consoles, I hope it bombs and puts them out of business for being a bunch of lazy, greedy bastards.
Konami won't ever go out of business judging by how much money they make and how much they grow, but their console games division is irrelevant as can be. Mobile games are setting record though.

According to the Japanese company's fiscal report for the six months ended September 2020, revenues in the segment rose by 31.8 percent year-on-year to 88.3 billion yen ($854.2 million), while operating profit increased by 65.2 percent to 30.9 billion yen ($298.9 million).

Explaining that upswing, the company explained that its mobile roster set a new quarterly revenue record, and singled out Professional Baseball Spirits A as a main growth driver.
 
I think no info at this point is definitely a bad sign.

Konami overhype when they’re making a shit PES game, do you think if they had a genuinely good game on their hands they would be keeping silent about it?
They’ve been delaying the public shit storm for as long as possible and then decided to release this unannounced and unexplained beta to make the public shit storm as big as it could be!

Classic Konami. They’ll never learn!
 
I was scrolling through Twitter last night & saw a couple of comments by Asim regarding the beta, someone replied saying that this was just a mobile port & not actually the game we're getting to which Asim replied that it "definitely wasn't" & that he's "confident in saying that".

I know he doesn't work for Konami anymore so this can't be taken as gospel but I'm sure he still has some inside knowledge of the games development via his friends & ex work colleagues. If he's confident enough to claim it's definitely not a port then I think this really is just an incredibly rough early build of PES 2022 sadly.
Interesting. This is exactly what I've been saying. It's clearly the base for PES 2022, even if parts of it have borrowed from their UE4 work on the mobile game (at the very least, UI elements).
Are the mechanics actually different? It just feels like the same stuff mapped to different buttons.


The removal if the standard jockey from L2 is just incomprehensible.

It feels like theyve moved all the controls around to make it feel like a new game, to artificially concoct a learning curve
I'm still experimenting, but I do think they're not just remappings. The R2 knock-on is tied to newer animations for either megging or bursting past a player. It feels like the acceleration and timing of the whole move is quite different to me. The R1 kick feint seems to be a very simple remap though (and one I've no idea why they've done). The new LS close control is a bit of both: it's a remap, but given it's now tied to a degree input and not a binary input, the usage feels quite different, and can chain more smoothly in interesting ways (subtle dragback into quick burst into sideways ball roll into drop of the shoulder in quick succession, e.g.). Re the jockey – wasn't it R2 before? Either way, it's still there but incorporated into the "match-up" (stupid name) which is triggered by holding X – anticipates a ball, blocks a lane, adopts a jockeying stance, intercepts better if the ball is struck near you. A separate jockey command as well as this new defending option would be overkill imo.
THIS is the PES crowd now. We are just an afterthought.
I do think it's the crowd they are designing for, though I wonder in terms of raw playing numbers whether there are still more online vs offline, or what the proportions are. Really hard to gauge when the offline players often don't take to Twitter or Twitch or share screenshots of the latest players they've won by gambling. The fact of the matter is the online, especially myClub player is worth more to Konami, though really they're in search of what the industry calls "whales" – those with compulsive spending problems or gambling addictions.
nobody could defend against anything, whether it was incessant ping-pong passing, or as I was doing, incessant dribbling and weaving from the back with some lumbering defender all the way up the pitch.
Yes, I'm managing to dribble past entire defences while players haven't worked out how to tackle at all yet :LOL: It's quite funny, but I don't know if it's because the defending mechanics are completely inadequate or because people haven't got to grips with them yet.
 
If this 'new football game online test' is in ANY way representative of what PES 22 will be then Konami should be absolutely shamed and embarrassed.
I completely believe that as stated, this was purely to test the online servers, matchmaking, and stability, and that they just used assets, graphics etc from the mobile game, as this was a complete abomination.

It looked like something from 12 years ago and looked like Jeff had coded it in a free online game maker, not made on Unreal Engine, it was slow as hell, camera was awful, animations clunky and robotic, and felt horrible to play, sure this was either a wind up or purely just a server test, threes no way, even with Konami's track record of incompetence that they could ever move to the most powerful game engine available, and manage to completely clusterfuck it and come up with something that looks like a ZX Spectrum game........ is there?!!?!?!? :BLINK:
 
Konami won't ever go out of business judging by how much money they make and how much they grow, but their console games division is irrelevant as can be. Mobile games are setting record though.

According to the Japanese company's fiscal report for the six months ended September 2020, revenues in the segment rose by 31.8 percent year-on-year to 88.3 billion yen ($854.2 million), while operating profit increased by 65.2 percent to 30.9 billion yen ($298.9 million).

Explaining that upswing, the company explained that its mobile roster set a new quarterly revenue record, and singled out Professional Baseball Spirits A as a main growth driver.

I doubt the developers of this "new football game" will be happy to see it being torn apart by the public reaction but Konami as a whole quite possibly don't care. I wonder if their reference to it as "new football game" rather than using the name PES is deliberate, as they effectively try to bury the PES name, and expectations & history that the name still carries, as they turn their focus to developing a new mobile based football game with console esport spin-offs..
 
I doubt the developers of this "new football game" will be happy to see it being torn apart by the public reaction but Konami as a whole quite possibly don't care. I wonder if their reference to it as "new football game" rather than using the name PES is deliberate, as they effectively try to bury the PES name, and expectations & history that the name still carries, as they turn their focus to developing a new mobile based football game with console esport spin-offs..
This... doesn't sound far-fetched, to be honest. They're already trying to move away from it with the eFootball branding.
 
So.. where does one apply for the PESsimist membership card?
Dude, you're posting on EvoWeb, you have a gold membership card already! :LOL:
Sad times for football game lovers but from a pure business point of view I’m finding this absolutely hilarious. Seldom do you ever see a billion dollar company behave in such a way to massacre their own product without anyone really understanding if it is their new game, with their own internal marketing not entirely sure and not even communicating with the market you are selling it to prior to the release! I’ve been in professional business for 20 years and I can honestly say I think this has to be the worst pre-release of any product I have ever known.

Regardless of what you/me think it is…the cardinal sin of not actually knowing, because you’ve not actually been told is the biggest marketing mistake ever! This company has catapulted backwards, I think it’s beyond repair and will eventually be swallowed up by a larger corporation…….in one huge dog shit of a swoop they have made players glance to the other game by default…..utterly shocking!

Just watching the videos is enough to show how ridiculous it is to think we are heading for a groundbreaking next gen release…….I think this may actually be the worst PES ever and that’s saying something. Mobile, not mobile, just a server test, PES 22 alpha/beta confirmed by established gaming sites……what an absolute mess.

I’ve said it many times here, my expectations are for a terrible game, I think it’s heading to be worse than that…..the marketing tells you all you need to know about Konami‘s expectations of itself.
I've seen this line a lot here, from many people, including e.g. how ridiculous it is that people are uploading it to YouTube, calling it PES 2022 etc., what terrible marketing it is, and so on.

I actually disagree. I mean, yes – Konami are incompetent at marketing. But marketing as an industry is awash with all sorts of nonsense.

The bottom line is that this company (or its videogaming subdivision) has survived in spite of its long history of shitty behaviour, including how it divorced with Kojima. Including how it has abandoned all of its most valuable IP and done nothing with it. It survives because the aim of the game now is to find continuous, predictable, revenue growth. And the way you do that is through loot boxes / microtransactions.

This early negative buzz about the game will not have an impact on the MTX sales in the coming year. It just won't. What will matter is whether people enjoy the demo, the full release, or the inevitable free-to-play (fee-to-pay) release around Christmas. If people enjoy it and a subsection of those myClub players have difficulty not spending obscene amounts of money on the mode, then the game will be a success.

I really think the present negative response means bugger all when push comes to shove. The casual player has probably not even noticed there's this obscure build out for a couple of weeks. The committed player has noticed, played it, probably thought it was trash, but said "I'll wait and see the demo".

Yes, it's funny. It's always funny when they do shit like this. But consequential? I really don't think so.
 
Im a Senior UX Designer at a global software company, we deal with showing rough and ready concepts all the time, but there would be no way on earth we would show anything like this. An absolute marketing disaster. And if it turns out that Konami are wrapping the mobile game together with next gen consoles, I hope it bombs and puts them out of business for being a bunch of lazy, greedy bastards.

I have had this thought too. Just let it finish them off.

Either they've tried to cut corners or they've been unable to work through the pandemic. Either way, they simply do not belong in this gaming world. If they didn't take this chance to finally step into the modern world, they never will.

If, and it is an if, if this is the game, they'll be a laughing stock. Even if they improve it to the point of pes 21, they'd be a laughing stock, putting out such dead technology after 2/3 years of development.
 
I expect that next gen football game would look like this. But we are nowhere near
Animations look great but the AI ....... laughable, so many times when a player dribbling with the ball is just watched by the defender, he does nothing just shimmies backwards, makes no attempt to tackle or anything.
You can tell this is just a scripted sequence of pre-determined animations with pre-determined outcomes, there is no intelligence in it at all, would be horrible to play.
 
I expect that next gen football game would look like this. But we are nowhere near

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PES 2022 is a completely different game, and the "new football performance" is for testing servers and online.
I think people that keep referencing the graphics (this screen shot in particular) are misunderstanding or intentionally just not wanting understand…

It’s fairly easy for Konami to polish up the graphics/ player models/ lighting or whatever else falls into that “graphics” category but NOT REBUILD THE GAMEPLAY.

And this is what people are mad about… New engine, new generation, new possibilities and Konami essentially port over the last game.

We were rightfully expecting a new game built upon proper physics, a new collision system, new AI system that removes all of the legacy issues of the Fox engine games and pushes the boundaries.

PES 2022 gameplay will be based on this beta with polished graphics and a few unreal engine bolt ons.
 
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