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[ragnarearl]

Created an account just to post my opinion as was eagerly awaiting this game..

My Opinions..

-Gameplay too slow
-Passes too slow regardless of power (no one passes that slow in real life)
-Whole game looks like it's being played on a planet with less gravity than earth.
-Players react better than previous years but still needs improvement.
-Shooting is better but still in some instances the shot is unrealistic (shots across goal).
-Goalkeepers still float across the goal
-Still not witnessed a goalkeeper tip a shot over the bar when diving

Good thing in my opinion is removing the secondary press, a noobs favourite button, since they can defend without having to think and have the cpu do it all for them. No doubt they will add it back though as they will all complain. It was removed from the other football game a few years ago and i remember there being a few complaints then too, just get used to it. It will make the game better in the long run. Maybe the midfield will become more relevant then since you get more time on the ball, instead of having 2 locked on rockets tracking your every move. I wouldn't mind it being added if it is way less overpowered.

The square to tackle button is useless though, it's too slow and hardly ever works. No one will even use it

 

[pacpes]

That Messi image (from the UE trailer from last year) just looks far too superior. I'm trying really hard to convince myself that this isn't actually it.

Only choice is to wait until July 21st!

Most of the game's budget went into rendering that full HD Messi for the teaser and what was left for the game went into redesigning the menus and adding a few cutscenes here and there? (jk, in case I need to mention this )

 

[Goldstone]

Played a few more games & don't really know what to make of it. Keep staring down at my PS5 in utter disbelief at what I'm playing from a visual standpoint.....but there's something under the hood about it that's quite satisfying at times, although incredibly rough around the edges.

Such a bizarre move from Konami after such a long wait.

 

[FShas]

Are you really doing a review of this?
It's just ridiculous, the goal is to do a performance test, ONLY THAT.
This is not pes 2022.
They should be reporting bugs instead of complaining about a game that won't exist.

So can you explain what this is then? Because major gaming sites seem to be convinced it's the demo.
You might be right, I'm just wondering what you think it is...

 

[Lewpop]

Well just played a game (PS5) and that was.... weird to say the least lol. First and foremost, it feels SO early in development that I'm not entirely sure that there's much you can actually read into. It is a genuine PS5 SKU so it has access to the full specs of the console, but performance is pretty all over the place and graphic settings such as shadow quality and resolution have clearly been toned down in order to make it somewhat playable. So clearly they're not yet at the point where they start to optimise, which is towards the back end of the dev cycle. Regardless, it feels pointless looking in to that stuff as it's marketed solely as an online test.

What I do find interesting is just how much they seem to be taking from FIFA - a dedicated shield button, a dedicated tackle button, reversed sprint and 'finesse' buttons, 'X/A' to move through cutscenes, the 'trainer' and so on. I'd say (ignoring the obvious placeholder-y pieces) it looks like they're shooting for a more modernised look in general for the UI, which is good.

Gameplay wise - the less said the better. I won't dive deep in to the issues I have, I'd prefer to hope that they'll iron these things out in time for release. My biggest worry is that this game is supposedly 3/4 months away, I have no real actual belief that the final product will be much different on the field to what we have access to now, core gameplay isn't something that radically changes in the last few months of development... at least a far as I know lol. Concerned!

 

[digimon]

There is no way this is the full game. This must be the mobile version. It looks absolutely terrible

 

[Goldstone]

There is no way this is the full game. This must be the mobile version. It looks absolutely terrible

I hope you're right but surely Konami would release a disclaimer stating this?

It would be madness to let this drop & let everyone think it's PES 2022 when in actual fact it's just a mobile game..... surely Konami wouldn't be that stupid?

 

[cleanslate]

So can you explain what this is then? Because major gaming sites seem to be convinced it's the demo.
You might be right, I'm just wondering what you think it is...

This is nowhere near the demo... It says itself that it's a beta.

Demo likely to come in late July with the game releasing in Late September or probably 1st-10th October

 

[Madmac79]

I am making sense, and you just proved it yourself, "people will judge what they have in hands" and that's exactly what I said, not bothering to read the text but hey let's jump to conclusions anyway even though we have no clue what the hell is in front of us.

I'm blaming Konami because everyone with half a brain cell knows that's just how things are in gaming today, and if they'll have backlash for it (like they even care at this point) it will entirely be their fault. You put out something like this and you'll have people everywhere dissecting the material, for the good or for the worse that it is, regardless of what you say about it. No amount of passive aggressive considerations to the fanbase will change that.

 

[cleanslate]

I hope you're right but surely Konami would release a disclaimer stating this?

It would be madness to let this drop & let everyone think it's PES 2022 when in actual fact it's just a mobile game..... surely Konami wouldn't be that stupid?

If people think THIS IS Pes 2022, then that's their fault.. It literally says it's an Online Performance test.

 

[Goldstone]

I hope you're right but surely Konami would release a disclaimer stating this?

It would be madness to let this drop & let everyone think it's PES 2022 when in actual fact it's just a mobile game..... surely Konami wouldn't be that stupid?

Well they were stupid enough to release this beta or whatever the hell it is so I'll eat my words already🤣

 

[_TheSpecialOne_]

Q. Why did they release half-baked/incomplete beta and keep it free for everyone?

Spoiler: Answer

This primary purpose of this is to test if the Servers can handle the load.

Spoiler: Answer

YOU CANNOT TEST THE SERVERS AND PUSH THEM TO THEIR LIMIT IN A CLOSED (INVITE ONLY) BETA

Q. Why does it look so bad?

Spoiler: Answer

Maybe it is the ported a mobile game, as the literally everything including the UI is pointing towards that?
It's impossible that this is the "Photorealism" the developer was ranting on about. I refuse to believe it.

Spoiler: Answer

If it is, this may very well be worse than Cyberpunk.

The only thing that slightly worries me is the words of Konami themselves regarding this pre-alpha/beta/demo or whatever. This was not a good move because as @KnightMD said, the net will now be flooded with PES 2022 Gameplay videos, hell there were already so many people who just uploaded modded PES 2021 as PES 2022 to fool Console users.

I suggest Everyone to take a chill pill and wait for 21st July.

It's like they wanted to shoot themselves in the shoe with this because this is an era where having Patience is the last thing on everyone's mind.

 

[Emroth]

So can you explain what this is then? Because major gaming sites seem to be convinced it's the demo.
You might be right, I'm just wondering what you think it is...

In all seriousness - initially I thought it was a quick and simple port of Pes Mobile, just to test online performance and matchmaking with unreal engine under the hood. Thought this has nothing to do with the version they are building. But this image that @Chris Davies sent me, from Pes21, is making me worried now, coz it really looks like this is some version of upcoming Pes22.
And even if its an early version - they dont have much time left to magically turn it into proper game

Spoiler

 

[DevPlays]

So I am coming here directly after playing 5 games. (I scored 6, conceded 4)
Here are things I have seen so far

- The gameplay is very very different from PES 2020 and 2021
- The gameplay is slow too, I welcome that but at times it feels slow to the point you think 'is it a good thing?'
- I read someone here saying that there is no midfield battle, I think it really depends on who you played, all games I played , the players seemed to want to play actual football - all except for 1 guy who kept on running into my players and just crossed / through passed it to Messi/Griezmann again and again.
- There were no offsides.
- Also about the midfield point, I definitely felt a physical aspect to the game that I feel is missing in Pes 20 and 21. So I think that's a good thing

Here's one thing: The overalls or stats did not matter, all players felt the same, which I think is fine since they really are only testing Online servers.

Sadly I did not hear any of the intoxicated or lost child lines from the Stadium announcer

Player models looked bad except for Messi who looked ok

Here's the last (and the best??) thing:

The graphics are as bad as (or even worse) PS2 PES graphics.
This certainly means PES is going back to their glory days and we will get mind blowing gameplay right?? Just like PES 5

The cutscenes and menu look good, especially that starting team selection thing, it reminded me of PES 2011, something I talked about in @Camaldinho 's Discord! I may or may not be a visionary

Overall I feel this is a really old build from 6-8 months ago, just made and put out now for Online testing. Absolutely nothing should be taken seriously in regards to gameplay or graphics.

Yeah, doesn't take seriously in regards to gameplay or graphics. It's a different build from the actual PES 2022 game.

 

[FShas]

This is nowhere near the demo... It says itself that it's a beta.

Demo likely to come in late July with the game releasing in Late September or probably 1st-10th October

But beta and demo are not too separate games. They are simply different stages of development. After 2/3 years of development, you dont release a beta with zero real-time physics, no passing freedom/error or.shooting variety, and then add all that into the demo, 3/4 months later... do you?

A game based on proper physics is based on proper physics from inception, surely? It doesnt migrate from animations to physics in the last few months of development... or does it?

 

[Mr Regista]

this was what I was getting at. Muscle memory for things like this takes a while to adapt to. It really is game changing to an extent … I stopped playing after 2 games. A guy actually messaged me after a 1-0 win on a shitty beta. 'Ez.' 😂

imagine having that persons brain.

No more super cancel and fake shot as we know... now the fake shot is combination with R1 or R2 why ?? NOBODY know.. nobody ask them to change it...
Fakeshot always was shot+ pass since PES 2... now its gone. Now is shot/pass +R1 or R2

 

[ninety3twenty]

This is either a huge letdown or the first time in gaming history a developer has released a beta that bears no resemblance to its final (ps5) product.

Assuming it's the first, or even a mix of the two...

I wasnt expecting to have to peer closely to see the changes. I was expecting to see a clear step-change, even allowing for konami's past history.

Yes it looks more free (I'm downloading and will report back soon) but it still looks like an evolution of the ps4 physics paradigm ie the players are stuck to the pitch and locked into each other. Fifa 16 looks better in this regard. For instance, the betting games, although just cgi, show how lacking in freedom of movement through space, how chained down players are in pes, and to a lesser extent in fifa. I was really hoping for some unchaning of the players from this invisible grid.

You can see where the potential for change is in this, if this is the ps4 version, and let's hope it is. It looks like a freed up pes 21. But that really wasnt what I was hoping for, especially with all this talk of photorealism (although konami have displayed this kind of deluded thinking before).

Not in any way a rant. Just a sense of disappointment mixed with hope this is an extremely rough version, or simply the ps4 version (which raises questions about how konami have developed the ps5 version if its fully cross-gen)

It becomes even more concerning when you complete the survey and the question relate to what you would perceive as a finished product in terms of gameplay mechanics etc. I would say the passing was loose rather than free. In terms of next gen games I’ve played so far ( mechanics etc) if it’s anything like this, it’s going to fall very far short.
Trying to get friends to change back from fifa to Pes is becoming harder each year.

 

[FShas]

In all seriousness - initially I thought it was a quick and simple port of Pes Mobile, just to test online performance and matchmaking with unreal engine under the hood. Thought this has nothing to do with the version they are building. But this image that @Chris Davies sent me, from Pes21, is making me worried now, coz it really looks like this is some version of upcoming Pes22.
And even if its an early version - they dont have much time left to magically turn it into proper game

Spoiler

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Yeah, this is what I thought when I saw all this on loading up the game. It just sound like an early demo, with the usual disclaimers from a developer.

The only alternative is there is a ultra-modern ps5 version of pes out there which blows this out of the water. Possible. But seems unlikely knowing konami. And if that was the case, what would they possibly glean from testing this.nonsense which would be of use when it comes to an absolute monster of a game ie the super-wonderful ps5 pes 2022?

Would love to be wrong. But reality is often prosaic as hell.

 

[szebko]

Q. Why did they release half-baked/incomplete beta and keep it free for everyone?

Spoiler: Answer

This primary purpose of this is to test if the Servers can handle the load.

Spoiler: Answer

YOU CANNOT TEST THE SERVERS AND PUSH THEM TO THEIR LIMIT IN A CLOSED (INVITE ONLY) BETA

Q. Why does it look so bad?

Spoiler: Answer

Maybe it is the ported a mobile game, as the literally everything including the UI is pointing towards that?
It's impossible that this is the "Photorealism" the developer was ranting on about. I refuse to believe it.

Spoiler: Answer

If it is, this may very well be worse than Cyberpunk.

The only thing that slightly worries me is the words of Konami themselves regarding this pre-alpha/beta/demo or whatever. This was not a good move because as @KnightMD said, the net will now be flooded with PES 2022 Gameplay videos, hell there were already so many people who just uploaded modded PES 2021 as PES 2022 to fool Console users.

I suggest Everyone to take a chill pill and wait for 21st July.

It's like they wanted to shoot themselves in the shoe with this because this is an era where having Patience is the last thing on everyone's mind.

This.
Honestly this "stress test" is a good idea but they could really communicate this a lot better. Maybe release a few teaser images or something with this showing THE REAL game. Not this 90% mobile ported network code test.

 

[Chilleverest]

There are two camps out there that are claiming TWO things:

1. ''This is just an online stress test, this has nothing to do with PES 2022, its not even the same game.''

2. ''Several media outlets (IGN, EUROGAMER) claim it IS an older version of PES 2022 cobbled together just to test online. Things will be built upon it.

Its the typical Konami shitstorm that has left fans confused and bewildered because every year they have surprises up their sleeves.

 

[DevPlays]

Q. Why did they release half-baked/incomplete beta and keep it free for everyone?

Spoiler: Answer

This primary purpose of this is to test if the Servers can handle the load.

Spoiler: Answer

YOU CANNOT TEST THE SERVERS AND PUSH THEM TO THEIR LIMIT IN A CLOSED (INVITE ONLY) BETA

Q. Why does it look so bad?

Spoiler: Answer

Maybe it is the ported a mobile game, as the literally everything including the UI is pointing towards that?
It's impossible that this is the "Photorealism" the developer was ranting on about. I refuse to believe it.

Spoiler: Answer

If it is, this may very well be worse than Cyberpunk.

The only thing that slightly worries me is the words of Konami themselves regarding this pre-alpha/beta/demo or whatever. This was not a good move because as @KnightMD said, the net will now be flooded with PES 2022 Gameplay videos, hell there were already so many people who just uploaded modded PES 2021 as PES 2022 to fool Console users.

I suggest Everyone to take a chill pill and wait for 21st July.

It's like they wanted to shoot themselves in the shoe with this because this is an era where having Patience is the last thing on everyone's mind.

So true man. No one has enough patience to know/understand what actually it is. Sad thing for sure.

 

[cleanslate]

But beta and demo are not too separate games. They are simply different stages of development. After 2/3 years of development, you dont release a beta with zero real-time physics, no passing freedom/error or.shooting variety, and then add all that into the demo, 3/4 months later... do you?

A game based on proper physics is based on proper physics from inception, surely? It doesnt migrate from animations to physics in the last few months of development... or does it?

This beta is quite an old build, and even the demo would be an older build compared to the current time we are in , and considering the demo version is further stages into development, the final product will definitely be much better than this.

People are expecting this to be a completely new game made from scrap, and most of all they are expecting this to be PES 2022. This is none of that, even in the interview they said they will just fine tune the gameplay from years before, and people are thinking of this as a return to Pes being the best football game of all time. This won't be that either.
That explains the huge frustration of people (which is just useless anger and ranting at this point)

People just need to calm down. Why are you focusing on the gameplay ANYWAY? It's not a demo, or anything designed to test gameplay. It's designed to test the Online performance and connection.

 

[PogChampion]

Can we just stop for a second, guys, you actually think this is a next gen PES 2022...



I'm freaking done 😂😂😂

I didn't see the actual footage before and only read Konami's description but after seeing this yall seriously need a chill pill 😂

 

[Chris Davies]

It's weird how nobody else does shit like this, isn't it?

Imagine an "online stress test" launching for the new Gran Turismo, with the gameplay and graphics of a mobile port.

Not even Konami in general create a mess like this and confuse their fanbase so regularly. Just the PES team. How do they do it?

It's insane - and now we're already defending the quality of this early code (confirmed to be early code by gaming sites who've had direct contact with Konami), because we're so desperate for this code to, somehow, be completely unrelated to the final product. Which, when you think about it, is ridiculous. (They've not ported a mobile game to consoles for something to do, cos of Covid boredom.)

It's so bizarre how it never gets any easier being a PES fan...

 

[Mr Regista]

We’ve established it’s a mobile port and not 22. Fair enough. Makes sense whatever.. but if they’re testing server it has to be for input lag and response time. , I browsed over the first few questions in questionnaire and they ask about passing and dribbling responsiveness and player movement etc .. so there must be elements of this that will be in the final game? Maybe the game is going to play at this pace and they want an idea if people are happy with it. But if we don’t know how the game is supposed to play then how can we know if there is a delay or not ?… 🤔 all in all the whole thing is quite a mess.

I heard a cool saying recently I think during one of the games last week. But can’t place it .. anyway, It was french or German or something..forgive me

“sometimes you are the tree, sometimes you are the dog”
Feels, in recent years at least, like Konami is always the dog and we are soaked 😂

 

[cleanslate]

It's weird how nobody else does shit like this, isn't it? Imagine an "online stress test" launching for the new Gran Turismo, with the gameplay and graphics of a mobile port.

Not even Konami in general create a mess like this and confuse their fanbase so regularly. Just the PES team.

It's insane - and now we're already defending the quality of this early code (confirmed to be early code by gaming sites who've had direct contact with Konami), because we're so desperate for a truly next-gen PES.

Having no news for such a long time made everyone lose their minds
I think I lost mine too

 

[Goldstone]

I mean they've done the correct thing by not slapping a 'PES 2022' label on it but that won't stop people jumping on the bandwagon.

Truth is, none of us really know at stage if it is or it isn't.

An absolute shit show with regards to communication from Konami.

 

[Isslander]

It is a new strategy from Konami, they show us this mess so we can't help but be impressed with the actual reveal in July

 

[janguv]

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Lygaard shoe update!!!

I feel like this is more relevant than ever now.

 

[elloco]

"pretty sure after PES2014 desaster Konami cant completly f**** up again... Even Konami will lern after 2 messed up generation changes"

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