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I completely missed the part where Konami removed the option to buy earlier versions of PES - Even 2021 is unavailable! Was going to get one my old school PES mates to grab it cheap and play a few online games but it turns out they took it off digital marketplaces (to buy) on Dec 9. So unless you had them bought or downloaded before, you can't buy any version of PES that has, you know, TEAMS IN IT

Konami business strategies are some next level... something
 
Isslander said:
I completely missed the part where Konami removed the option to buy earlier versions of PES - Even 2021 is unavailable! Was going to get one my old school PES mates to grab it cheap and play a few online games but it turns out they took it off digital marketplaces (to buy) on Dec 9. So unless you had them bought or downloaded before, you can't buy any version of PES that has, you know, TEAMS IN IT

Konami business strategies are some next level... something
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You and your old school PES mates WILL play with the 9 partner clubs™ of eFootball™ and you WILL feel POWERFUL™ when doing so!
 
Isslander said:
I completely missed the part where Konami removed the option to buy earlier versions of PES - Even 2021 is unavailable! Was going to get one my old school PES mates to grab it cheap and play a few online games but it turns out they took it off digital marketplaces (to buy) on Dec 9. So unless you had them bought or downloaded before, you can't buy any version of PES that has, you know, TEAMS IN IT

Konami business strategies are some next level... something
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You still can buy the Game on cdkeys.com
 
Bogo36 said:
You still can buy the Game on cdkeys.com
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Not on Playstation, sadly. But it was a good tip still, cheers
edit: Bloody hell it's like 30 quid on Xbox, no wonder they still have codes for it

I suppose he could still just get the disc, but I doubt he's bothered enough.
 
Isslander said:
I completely missed the part where Konami removed the option to buy earlier versions of PES - Even 2021 is unavailable! Was going to get one my old school PES mates to grab it cheap and play a few online games but it turns out they took it off digital marketplaces (to buy) on Dec 9. So unless you had them bought or downloaded before, you can't buy any version of PES that has, you know, TEAMS IN IT

Konami business strategies are some next level... something
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They're doing this for years ,for sure since PES 2018 was released, maybe even earlier.

About a month after the new game was released, the old one was down from the official catalogues Stream/PS store/XBox store.

Except for the obvious side effects, (can buy the game only physical) a new problem spotted this year, that a lot people stayed with the old PES 2021. They can't play with SHARED play, on Playstation at least, cause games not in the PS store are not supported.
 
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2K are notorious for annually releasing bad, broken sports titles. It's very rare that the deliver a good sports titles that isn't buggy, broken or full of microtransactions.
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This isn't entirely true. NBA 2k has the usual issues of being a next-gen game that pushes boundaries in terms of animation and graphical quality or still using older AI logic that don't fare well with new additions. Most of the issues it runs into, aside from obvious bugs that are usually timely addressed, are related to its online infrastructure because mostly everything in the game is related to online. You need to be online to play the main games modes, your save files are associated with being online and so forth.

In terms of 'offline' modes, the game is perfectly fine. MyGM is a fairly good management mode.

The gameplay direction changes between iterations, some times more arcadey, some times more simulation, but there's nothing broken about it. People are perfectly happy tinkering with sliders and difficulty to make the game more sim-based when the game veers off into more arcadey gameplay.

Microtransactions are what they are, I no longer see a point of caring about it because the market has accepted them.

I don't know of any major issues that PGA Tour 2k21.

Regarding WWE, their last release was absolutely broken, for various reasons that don't need mentioning because it would take too long. Their previous released developed by Yuke's were hardly broken.

So I don't know how 2k is 'notorious' for releasing bad and broken sports titles, as you claim.
 
slamsoze said:
For me that's the case. All companies are swimming in the same lake of shite.

But for the given shite everyone tries to achieve, and in the given context of: online casino, lootboxes, MTX, grey-advertisement, forced and sneaky product placement, at least they can also offer the most full package, NOT THE IDEAL FULL PACKAGE for every crowd, but at least better in terms of quality,gameplay, content, presentation,game modes, online modes, offline modes, sliders, etc..

And just keep in mind, at least in Basketball where they sweeped the contest, by knocking out EA Sports (NBA Live), they did it clearly in terms of quality (GamePlay) since the NBA license, is pretty much open to everyone, no exclusivities., and the time they eliminated NBA Live, MTX income was not the No1 fiscal priority.

If you ask me,.if i believe that they will be more good hearted than EA and KONAMI, my answer is CLEARLY NO, they may even be more malicious.

But if you ask me, can they deliver something better than the others, while keeping the same shite as the others, than answer is YES, or maybe YES, or at least, why not give them a chance to try..
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You managed to sum it up excellently. ;)
Nowadays, ALL PRODUCER intends to profit from microtransactions (after all, it is not a charity). But, the reference we have is in basketball (NBA), the quality presented. Perhaps the same revolution could happen in football games. Or, do we wait forever for EA, Konami or Strikerz?
If I'm to bet. I bet on 2K Sports. If you are to have any hope. It's on 2K Sports.
 
Shikashi said:
This isn't entirely true. NBA 2k has the usual issues of being a next-gen game that pushes boundaries in terms of animation and graphical quality or still using older AI logic that don't fare well with new additions. Most of the issues it runs into, aside from obvious bugs that are usually timely addressed, are related to its online infrastructure because mostly everything in the game is related to online. You need to be online to play the main games modes, your save files are associated with being online and so forth.

In terms of 'offline' modes, the game is perfectly fine. MyGM is a fairly good management mode.

The gameplay direction changes between iterations, some times more arcadey, some times more simulation, but there's nothing broken about it. People are perfectly happy tinkering with sliders and difficulty to make the game more sim-based when the game veers off into more arcadey gameplay.

Microtransactions are what they are, I no longer see a point of caring about it because the market has accepted them.

I don't know of any major issues that PGA Tour 2k21.

Regarding WWE, their last release was absolutely broken, for various reasons that don't need mentioning because it would take too long. Their previous released developed by Yuke's were hardly broken.

So I don't know how 2k is 'notorious' for releasing bad and broken sports titles, as you claim.
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Good that you brought that up ,great post btw ,we've been discussing this here (or in the FIFA thread) and the usual guys sums up 2k with "worst casino ever"
And yes on the online side ,true in some parts ,not in other ,and on the offline part ,not true at all.
So here we go.

1 Mycareer (which is FIFAs The journey and you can play with your fully customised player in a nr of online modes)
That's MT (micro trans action) heaven ,you can buy everything with in game currency (VC).
You can play a NBA career earning those VC and spend it on upgrades.
Once you're player is good (80ish and above) you can use him in other modes.

2 The city/neighborhood/Cruise ship is a platform where all online stuff is.
You can buy/gamble/earn VC there.
But you can also play a nr of online modes like The Rec (drop in/squad 5v5)
Park (drop in or squad 3v3/5v5)
Pro Am (FIFA's pro clubs)

Then you have Myteam.
That's 2ks version of UT ,a card game ,I'd say less monetizes than Fifa ,more like Pes version (I've played it got great players early on) and hardly any need for MT.

Then offline.
Which is called myNba nowadays.
Which is by far the best and hardly anything comes close to that when talking about sim gaming ,everything can be adjusted and fixed either by roster/settings download or by its plus 50 sliders (for gameplay only probably 50 more for settings).
There's no game out there that takes sim sports higher and better than 2k.

So that's 2k Basketball ,the worst (with FIFA) when it comes to MT and greedy behaviour ,and the best when it comes to offline gaming.
And most importantly ,something you've all been whining about on Fifa ,there's one gameplay for online ,and exactly what you want for offline.

Do I want 2k doing FIFA in the future?
Nope!
But I do want them to do their own game.
But most importantly ,when posting something about a game etc ,get the whole game described ,not just what suits you.
(Not referring to you mate but the one you answered)
 
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The problem with mtx is that it has become widely accepted as part of gaming. There is no putting that genie back in the bottle. People like them, it turns out. I personally greatly dislike them, but when Warzone is pulling in billions on a quarterly-basis, then it's pretty clear that people that play games like them.

This is why I no longer even bother arguing about it, it's a fact of life. Certainly you have some developers that are more consumer-friendly in this regard. 2k is not one of them. And there is no reason for them to be, considering the money that NBA 2k pulls on mtx, or the money that their parent company makes off shark cards from GTA V. I think the main issue with mtx is what bang for your buck you get, at this point. So, as much as I find mtxs reprehensible and a way to turn normal people, even kids, in gambling addicts, I can also understand that a lot of things wouldn't be made otherwise. NBA 2k MyTeam is a good example. I don't play the mode, I never spent any money on it. The reason why I accept it? It has hundreds of legendary players, with their own signature animations. These players are also available on regular play modes with their classic teams, that you don't need to spend a penny on to play as, but would they be available if 2k and Visual Concepts couldn't monetize them? These things cost a lot of money to make. I would not be against mtx in football games if they had the same overall quality attached to them. But they don't. Both FIFA and whatever they call PES now have legendary players in their card-based modes, not a single one of them has the care that a lot of legendary players have in NBA 2k. On top of that, the fact is that I can't use them outside the card-based game modes in either game. I can in 2k.

It is what it is, I guess.
 
And on the same subject.
UFL ,free and fair to play ,no handicap bla bla.
How will they make any money,?
I'm betting that "fair to play and no handicap" will turn out to be quite a smokescreen.

Yeah MTx are parts of games nowadays , unfortunately!
That's why when it comes to other games I try not to play games that has but rather chose non AAA games.
But if there its not for me.

Speaking of EA and UT ,have they changed the concept of their card scheme?
You know what you're getting instead of "probability of getting super duper Neymar is there but...you're not getting him"?
And it always puzzles me that in their other (not Madden but NBA live and NHL) games their most popular modes aren't MTx driven
 
When the ML mode will be released ? Isn't time to have some news about this mode !

Personally, I waiting to know what new they will bring to this mode.

Maybe Konami will surprise me
 
H_G said:
When the ML mode will be released ? Isn't time to have some news about this mode !

Personally, I waiting to know what new they will bring to this mode.

Maybe Konami will surprise me
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September, being very optimistic

rockstrongo said:
How will they make any money,?
I'm betting that "fair to play and no handicap" will turn out to be quite a smokescreen.
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It's possible to make money with no handicap, at least it was the case with Rocket League.
 
Shikashi said:
Also, I don't know if this was always their strategy, I believe it was not. Mainly because the communication we got from the PES team when they announced the switch to UE was that they would maintain 2 versions of the game. One FOX Engine version for older systems and one UE version for new systems.

I think they may have changed strategy when they realized it made no sense to run one dated version of the FOX Engine for old consoles when even the mobile game was already using UE. Would also explain the change at the top, with the guy in charge of the mobile version being now put in charge of the console/PC versions and essentially running everything. And it would explain why the former guy in charge was talking about the game being cutting edge when they announced it.
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Who was the "former guy" again?
 
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Who was the "former guy" again?
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Kei Machuda? Or the guy before him?

@Shikashi IIRC you're from Japan? If yes, are there dedicated forums or discords or whatever communities for PES like here in Europe? If yes agaim, what's the general sense? Is there satisfaction or dissatisfaction with the state of PES/eFootball?
 
slamsoze said:
Kei Machuda? Or the guy before him?

@Shikashi IIRC you're from Japan? If yes, are there dedicated forums or discords or whatever communities for PES like here in Europe? If yes agaim, what's the general sense? Is there satisfaction or dissatisfaction with the state of PES/eFootball?
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I'm definitely not from Japan, mate.

The only thing I know about the Japanese scene is that FIFA has the J-League license and is heavily featured over PES in the Japanese PSN Store. Which was kinda shocking to me at first. In any case, Japan is in love with the Switch so PES is really a non-factor at this point. Maybe if they actually bothered to release the games on Switch, it would be different.
 
Shikashi said:
I'm definitely not from Japan, mate.

The only thing I know about the Japanese scene is that FIFA has the J-League license and is heavily featured over PES in the Japanese PSN Store. Which was kinda shocking to me at first. In any case, Japan is in love with the Switch so PES is really a non-factor at this point. Maybe if they actually bothered to release the games on Switch, it would be different.
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I still don't understand how Konami managed to mess up their dominance over the Japanese market so bad, I recall it being one of their main ones alongside Brazil a few years back. Regarding the Nintendo Switch, it's probably one of the things that baffles me the most, it's already one of the most popular and beloved consoles of all time, it's selling well in Japan and all over the world too, how can they seriously build something using the Unreal Engine 4, for the sole purpose of being able to port it to many devices easily, with emphasis on crossplay with devices that range from PS5/XBS all the way to mobile, and not make a Nintendo Switch version? I genuinely can't understand how they can make versions of eFootball for so many different devices, with mobile being one of the main ones, much weaker in hardware than the Nintendo Switch, and not bother to plan one for one of the most popular consoles out now, at times it feels like Konami is actively trying to make eFootball a failure, you seriously have to actively try hard to make so many bad decisions like they've been doing.
 
Mr. Kalm said:
That's not true actually, you could use myClub legends in other modes in PES:

https://www.konami.com/wepes/2019/faq/2019/eu/en/ps4/item?no=36
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I stand corrected. Didn't know this at all. Judging from the ridiculous process to achieve it, I doubt most people are aware of this too.

Is this still a thing for games after 2019?

MKC said:
I still don't understand how Konami managed to mess up their dominance over the Japanese market so bad, I recall it being one of their main ones alongside Brazil a few years back. Regarding the Nintendo Switch, it's probably one of the things that baffles me the most, it's already one of the most popular and beloved consoles of all time, it's selling well in Japan and all over the world too, how can they seriously build something using the Unreal Engine 4, for the sole purpose of being able to port it to many devices easily, with emphasis on crossplay with devices that range from PS5/XBS all the way to mobile, and not make a Nintendo Switch version? I genuinely can't understand how they can make versions of eFootball for so many different devices, with mobile being one of the main ones, much weaker in hardware than the Nintendo Switch, and not bother to plan one for one of the most popular consoles out now, at times it feels like Konami is actively trying to make eFootball a failure, you seriously have to actively try hard to make so many bad decisions like they've been doing.
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Konami is incredibly mismanaged from a console gamer perspective. Their financials however say otherwise, ever since they made bank on some cheap dragon mobile game they changed all their gaming focus to mobile games and have been very successful. I assume their rationale is that even porting eFootball to Switch is too much of a risk when they can just continue what they're doing.
 
Shikashi said:
I'm definitely not from Japan, mate.

The only thing I know about the Japanese scene is that FIFA has the J-League license and is heavily featured over PES in the Japanese PSN Store. Which was kinda shocking to me at first. In any case, Japan is in love with the Switch so PES is really a non-factor at this point. Maybe if they actually bothered to release the games on Switch, it would be different.
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Oh sorry pal, my bad. I remember some member coming from Japan, but ky memory messed who was..thanx and soz :)
 
Mr. Kalm said:
That's not true actually, you could use myClub legends in other modes in PES:

https://www.konami.com/wepes/2019/faq/2019/eu/en/ps4/item?no=36
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Yes, but you missed the part, you must first loot them by loot boxes in MyClub, and then IMPORT ONLY IN MASTER LEAGUE, whilst in the most new PES you can't even choose who to import.

Regarding "legit" ways of course, cause you can always import Junior Mantis TEDs.

So it is 99% true, since in NBA 2K you can use them everywhere from the get go, without any problems, exhibition,career modes, league modes, COMPLETELY FREE..

I think it is completely different and more easy than the MyClub legends.

Basically the use of official legends by both PES and FIFA ( IN SOME FIFA YOU CAN ALSO "UNLOCK" THEM WITH A WORKAROUND), is a straight mock in the face of every other person except MyClub/FuT crowd, while in 2K they are accessible for everyone from the beginning.

That's the only fact here.

@Shikashi it's still a thing after 2019 but in a KONAMI tradition, now halfarsed to dangerous level. Once you press it, even accidentally,it doesn't ask you to confirm or cancel, and it doesn't ask you to pick which legend you want.

Meaning you press it and every MC legend comes in. Given also that it does coexist in the general settings submenu, where the Save Game and Save Data is, it is more a time-bomb , ready to ruin a ML save of yours anytime..
 
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UFL gameplay looks crap, something like FIFA 02.
Their player models are laughable unless it's a mobile game only.

I still have some hope in Efootball's future, particularly offline modes.
I guess we just have to wait and see.

To be honest I haven't tried or even downloaded Efootball yet, but I'm looking forward to see some improvement before I do. Hell, at this state I'm looking forward to see anything from them
 
sonoman said:
UFL gameplay looks crap, something like FIFA 02.
Their player models are laughable unless it's a mobile game only.

I still have some hope in Efootball's future, particularly offline modes.
I guess we just have to wait and see.

To be honest I haven't tried or even downloaded Efootball yet, but I'm looking forward to see some improvement before I do. Hell, at this state I'm looking forward to see anything from them
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I think the game has potential
Feels more free than PES 2021
Only shame is how unprofessional everything has turned out, with releasing and so
 
Shikashi said:
Is this still a thing for games after 2019?
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Yes, that should still work in PES 2021.

slamsoze said:
Yes, but you missed the part, you must first loot them by loot boxes in MyClub, and then IMPORT ONLY IN MASTER LEAGUE, whilst in the most new PES you can't even choose who to import.
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Yeah, you can't really use them in many modes. I believe you should be able to export your Master League team with your myClub legends to use it in exhibition matches at least.
 
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