eFootball (All Platforms)

robbieryan said:
that aged well

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Seriously, I'm full aware that people like him is here to sell the game and it's kinda useless to vent on them. But the past arrogance in front of what they released yesterday is beyond ridiculous lol. Especially since now that the tone has changed he posts this:


They are so lucky that they could literally do anything and some people will still cut them slack and justify ad lib.
 
@The_Knight you are being tagged in sportsbible "review" of the game :D :D.
https://www.sportbible.com/football/efootball-2022-has-been-released-and-its-a-mess-20210930


I feel sorry for The_Knight because he genuinely believed we were getting a next gen experience with some new good mechanics but a tad unpolished and instead we have a skeleton of a basic football mobile game,

PES was BENCHED by Efootball, and PES knows it don´t want to be in again, not with this MANAGER (aka present Koinami Effotball dev team). Lets just hope as winter market opens, PES might get the transfer of the year and sign to another club, now that will be the blow of the market.

If we look closelly we can compare Konami with Barcelona, and PES with Luiz Suarez, no money (better, there is but they dont want to invest), Awfull manager (Koeman/Kimura, they even have the same Initial in name), and they Benched Suarez, and relegated them to reserve team (PES is not on reserves anymore, its a free player without the possibility of signing a new contract atm).


Aaaaand i just found out the engine Konami is using for colisions/animations:

 
Berjan1986 said:
I know what you talking about. PES modes are limited, ML is boring as hell, they have generated players with the same name as the players who played now. Zlatan, Messi... Its just lazy Konami..

Fifa 22 is the game to play right now...
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Just seen the FIFA 22 launch trailer that's dropped 30 minutes ago...WOW! That's how you market your product Konami. Best trailer I've seen for a footy game in years.
 
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HyperSports said:
It’s a product still heavily in the early stages of development.There’s not a game out there that doesn’t look or have these same issues at such a raw stage.

Expecting perfect collisions,stable framerates and clean graphical fidelity from what is so clearly a alpha form high spec hardware is not how game development works.Brute force doesn’t make up for a lack of optimisation,nor do dev kits magically clean up issues with unfinished or early code.

Every pes or fifa would of looked and played like this at some stage.

Doesn’t change how dated the predetermined gameplay is,the physics or dated AI.But it will have a solid frame-rate,be optimised properly for every platform and will be a lot more polished eventually we hope.
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To me this sounds overly optimistic. Yes, the cake is layered. You start at the bottom and build it up from there. The more you build, the heavier the game becomes and the more you focus on graphical details and optimizing.

That being said, as far as i know, early access games pretty much have dynamic lightning, high-res textures, AA and all that with at least out-of-the-box optimizations yet still look somewhat generic, contain bugs and some frame-drops. The more basic alpha-state ones could be very bare-bones, have no advanced dynamic lightning, low-res textures yet are rather consistent framerate wise. Under normal conditions its either one or the other.

I've never seen something like this, where a game - mind you, from an AAA game developer - not only looks shit but at the same time the framerate really hinders the responsiveness. To think this has been the point at which they couldn't max out the graphics any further as to not affect responsiveness... brrrrrr, looks to me they are in deep, deep trouble.

It will be very interesting to see how this all develops and if they can survive this. Management probably was like "hey guys, we cant use fox engine anymore, UE4 seems to be our best option for the future, agree?". Developers then where too ashamed and/or naive to admit that UE4 would not cope with their spaghetti and it would take a lot of time to rebuild legacy code.

Now that the cat it out the bag they might considering taking a step back and find the time/money to rebuild some of the core elements that are causing these issues but i personally am not going to bet on it. In my eyes, they have no choice, responsiveness is essential for the gameplay and the one thing that sets it truly apart from FIFA. But management might not agree, might go even more into panic mode and the spiral continues; more shortcuts, more workarounds and more demotivated developers.

But sure, there is no need to speculate on this any further, only time will tell. I just hope lead developers find the strength to cope with the shame and pressure they are confronted with. Making a football game should be a dream job - not borderline slavery within a toxic company culture.
 
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robbieryan said:
on that note check out the series of tweets from the guy at NGB that reviewed it not so favourably.


poor fella got a lot of hate from the reddit and spoony goons by the seems of things
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I don't know who this guy is but bless him! The shitstorm that is angry simping fans these days has become really messed up.
Like pushing people to suicide messed up.
(R.I.P to Hana Kimura :(, she was a wrestling superstar, that was harrased for about 2 years, before she broke)

.. and that scum bhatti has the nerve to call us the negative ones ?
 
Does anyone know if Konami shuts down servers to their older games ? Just want to get an idea to see how long I’ll be able to play 2021 online before it’s gone
 
PESV said:
To me this sounds overly optimistic. Yes, the cake is layered. You start at the bottom and build it up from there. The more you build, the heavier the game becomes and the more you focus on graphical details and optimizing.

That being said, as far as i know, early access games pretty much have dynamic lightning, high-res textures, AA and all that with at least out-of-the-box optimizations yet still look somewhat generic, contain bugs and some frame-drops. The more basic alpha-state ones could be very bare-bones, have no advanced dynamic lightning, low-res textures yet are rather consistent framerate wise. Under normal conditions its either one or the other.

I've never seen something like this, where a game - mind you, from an AAA game developer - not only looks shit but at the same time the framerate really hinders the responsiveness. To think this has been the point at which they couldn't max out the graphics any further as to not affect responsiveness... brrrrrr, looks to me they are in deep, deep trouble.

It will be very interesting to see how this all develops and if they can survive this. Management probably was like "hey guys, we cant use fox engine anymore, UE4 seems to be our best option for the future, agree?". Developers then where too ashamed and/or naive to admit that UE4 would not cope with their spaghetti code and it would take a lot of time to rebuild legacy code.

Now that the cat it out the bag they might considering taking a step back and find the time/money to rebuild some of the core elements that are causing these issues but i personally am not going to bet on it. In my eyes, they have no choice, responsiveness is essential for the gameplay and the one thing that sets it truly apart from FIFA. But management might not agree, might go even more into panic mode and the spiral continues; more shortcuts, more workarounds and more demotivated developers.

But sure, there is no need to speculate on this any further, only time will tell. I just hope lead developers find the strength to cope with the shame and pressure they are confronted with. Making a football game should be a dream job - not borderline slavery within a toxic company culture.
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I’m not optimistic about efootball22.

Its to entrenched inthe past and there’s nothing about it in my mind that shows ambition or that Konami are willing to spend some real money and move into the 21st century.

Unreal speaks volumes and this is only ever going to be a upscaled mobile game that may or may not become more polished and refined over time.

Honestly.I don’t believe Konami are interested in making triple A single player games anymore.It’s all about high returns with minimal investment.Off the back of loyal fans and when they were great once.

Ive woken up and smelt the coffee.
 
Couldn't bring myself to download this shite and even for free, it still seems to be the best decision lol
The reviews I read, the clips I watched, the pictures I seen... I'm speechless hahaha
 
Depressing to see rumors of Konami working on new "premium" games and outsourcing games to other studios, when eFootball is in this state. Imagine if single player/offline PES got given to someone who actually would do a good job.
 
They knew the state it was in when it launched. Hollow words in that statement.

More and more I’ve noticed people worship these companies and brands, it’s getting to a point where they are a business and we are the consumer is forgotten . Make a better product. people do the work for them when these publishers and developers should be doing the best for our time and money.

One of the worst things too is those who push that “haters” crap to criticism but when things are improved they are the first to shout how great that it’s in a better state. I detest these phoneys .
 
It’s all so laughable.A company that pretty much created the model and has a library just sitting there of ideas and methods that simply worked.

The childish PR of your see and it’s going to be great just doesn’t wash anymore.

Im just flabbergasted at this thanks for pointing out to developers what there qualified more then any gamer to be able to see with there own coding eyes.Who gave the green light on this abortion of a launch,and where is the sense of professional pride.


Konami have forgotten what is the most fundamental thing in gaming,gameplay.They seem to have this perception cosmetics(player packs)licenses,brand and reputation are enough.Plus a promise of it’s only going to get better.

Sony taught the world that there’s a huge market still for single player games and Nintendo’s continual success just demonstrates this further.It’s just more of a cash grab from a company that has lost its sense of morality and sucumb to seedy practises and greed.

This is the world we live in today.
 
Relax guys, metahumans and photorealism coming in next update
I wouldn’t rate this game as the worst Steam game ever, because I don’t call this eFootball a game…
 
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