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If this game was built from the ground up then the devs must have built it standing on their heads because the game has gone in the opposite direction. TTB speculated that it's possible they released the wrong build but everything about this shambolic mess feels deliberate.
 
PESV said:
Sure i get the whole development process and all and this might as well be a fork from say jan/feb that has been developed separately to become a demo release while they continue to work on the first 1.0 version that is set to be out november or so.

However, it strikes me as very odd that the graphics have been turned down as much as they have and STILL the framerate sucks. No amount of optimizations will be able to solve this because all gains from this point on will be offset by turning the graphics further up to the desired point of a next-gen game. This could prove to be a gigantic task, as people on high-end PC's are complaining just as much as PS4 users.
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It’s a product still heavily in the early stages of development.There’s not a game out there that doesn’t look or have these same issues at such a raw stage.

Expecting perfect collisions,stable framerates and clean graphical fidelity from what is so clearly a alpha form high spec hardware is not how game development works.Brute force doesn’t make up for a lack of optimisation,nor do dev kits magically clean up issues with unfinished or early code.

Every pes or fifa would of looked and played like this at some stage.

Doesn’t change how dated the predetermined gameplay is,the physics or dated AI.But it will have a solid frame-rate,be optimised properly for every platform and will be a lot more polished eventually we hope.
 
Mikhail said:
PES 2021 isn’t better than FIFA World Cup 2010, FIFA 14 or FIFA 16 for me. It’s one of the most boring experiences I’ve had with my long football gaming history. Sure, it flows quite nice. But shooting is automated crap and every shot/goal just feels so straight and repetitive.

Of course this is just opinion, some people love it. But the writings been on the wall for years with PES. The video game industry left it behind. Everything from menus, to commentary, to cut scene transitions is still so amateur and I’ve ‘grown out’ of playing PES (I still revisit PES 5 for nostalgia but even that feels too basic for me now).

I will remember the old days with fond memories. But it’s definitely time for PES to call it a day, and in a way it has. eFootball isn’t Pro Evolution Soccer. It’s a game I just don’t recognise.

And it’s good that people still have their favourite football games to go back to and enjoy, whether it’s PES 6, PES 2021 or FIFA 16.
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I play PES 5 and 6 from time to time. They are both masterpiece games, but somehow they do not satisfy me anymore. Can't say if it's the old rosters, the graphics or the controls, but they just don't click with me like they used to.
With PES21 I play mostly Serie A League with rosters updated to current season and I really enjoy it. Did not try FIFA 22 because FIFA 21 was a big disappointment and can't believe they filled the gap in just 1 year...
 
vialli82 said:
This. Exactly what

I don't like FIFA 16, and i think it's way better overally than FIFA 14. Just my opinion. FIFA WC 2010 is too old, but at the time it was a lot about ambiance, the real feeling of a world cup. But better... I don't think.
Like you're a PES 3 fan too, it's a version i wasn't a big fan neither. WE7I and WE8LE yes. But my remind is that game was way too easy to score at the time.
I repeat : at the time. I wasn't a fan. WE7I corrected it. Just an example, but i already said, i give priority to physics than responsiveness.
PES 5 was less responsive than PES 6, everyone agree it's better. AI got less variety too : you can try and you'll see stuff you won't in PES 5.

But if we still in the time of VS, to me there's no comparison from PES 2017 to PES 2021 (well the 2018 is arguable, the less fouls from every version and attack balanced) when you put in the same like Fifa 17 to Fifa 21. But some people like it better., while you can compare in every area, PES is objectively righter. (just received the 22, so it will be time to really test. Surprised how fast, i ordered the game yesterday afternoon)
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He’s not wrong regarding PES 2020/21 shooting physics. Any square shot as no flow or curve, it’s a straight rocket. And even the r2 shooting can be discuss if that physics looks right (sometimes it does, others don’t).

It was one of the biggest problems for me in the game in recent years. And that fact made the game a bit repetitive indeed.

Il say one thing it surprised me in the couple of matches I did on Efootball (Ps5 version), was that they addressed this. It’s far from perfect or satisfactory( nothing in that game is), but at least they gave some flow and curve to the ball on square shooting( there’s even a screen that pops mid game explaining the fact).

But the game is pure trash, it’s in a state that it should have been for developers eyes only. It’s not on a state that it should be considered an alpha build even, and even worst being shown to the public.

I would not be surprised to know that they only started developing this game in the beginning of this year. Playing the game it does look like it’s something that’s been developed for just a few months.
 
vialli82 said:
This. Exactly what

To you.

I don't like FIFA 16 more than another FIFA game, more than FIFA 13 for example, and i think the better overally is FIFA 14. Just my opinion. FIFA WC 2010 is too old, but at the time it was a lot about ambiance, the real feeling of a world cup. But better than PES 2021? I don't feel it at all. It's good games. But a matter or "what you wait about a football game": we can't all have the same view. Like i prefers the direction of Mortal Kombat (current) than Street Fighter (current). But both are TOTALLY different in fact. Not even comparable.
The issue for example in all Fifa : i can't feel the ball like in any PES even the baddest of all (efootball not took in consideration), shooting, passing, all.
Feeling. I FEEL what i'm doing, my relationship with my controller and what happen on the TV. And that's what makes all the difference.
Without counting inertia, physics of FOX.

Like you're a PES 3 fan too, it's a version i wasn't a big fan neither. WE7I and WE8LE yes. But my remind is that game was way too easy to score at the time.
I repeat : at the time. I wasn't a fan. WE7I corrected it. Just an example, but i already said, i give priority to physics than responsiveness.
PES 5 was less responsive than PES 6, everyone agree it's better. AI got less variety too : you can try and you'll see stuff you won't in PES 5.

But if we still in the time of VS, to me there's no comparison from PES 2017 to PES 2021 (well the 2018 is arguable, the less fouls from every version and attack balanced) when you put in the same like Fifa 17 to Fifa 21. But some people like it better., while you can compare in every area, PES is objectively righter. (just received the 22, so it will be time to really test. Surprised how fast, i ordered the game yesterday afternoon)
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Mate, please let me know how you feel about FIFA 22, I really respect your feedback as PES veteran, and I see we have similar taste in term of gameplay...
 
Flipper the Priest said:
That's them simply reporting fact; wait until the reviews come in! I await them with interest.



I can't get over how much Konami rely on him. Totally thrown under the bus, a lightning rod. Their silence as a company on their official channels is is remarkable. That's not me defending the individual, more appalled at the business practice.
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he deserves all that's coming to him. he is no victim in any shape or form!
 
Konami

[About "eFootball™ 2022"]. The production team has confirmed that we have received many comments and requests regarding the game balance of this product, such as the speed of passing and defensive operations, as well as reports of problems with the demo scenes, player expressions and movements, and ball behavior. (To be continued) We sincerely apologize for the parts of the game that do not meet your expectations. We will take your comments seriously and strive to make improvements. (Continued 2) We will continue to update this title to improve the quality and add more content sequentially. From next week onwards, we will be conducting customer surveys to receive further feedback, and we are preparing for the update to be released in October. (Continued) (3) We will do our best to satisfy as many customers as possible, and we look forward to your continued support of "eFootball™ 2022".
 
nader1 said:
he deserves all that's coming to him. he is no victim in any shape or form!
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Someone in this thread - let's hope in jest - wished death upon him last night.

I'm not saying he's blameless, I'm saying I find it absurd that Konami's official accounts react to no-one leaving him to take all the heat via a personal account.
 
preak said:
Thank you for your feedback! We've gathered all comments and suggestions, we are now working extremely hard to deliver you the best build possible in the Autumn. Cant wait to see your reactions after upcoming November's nearly-full-game alike experience! Stay strong, pitch is ours, eFootball forever.
By the way, eFootball has been downloaded 5 billion times, what a milestone it is. Thank you all.
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I fell for it after reading the first line. It sounds very Konami-ish to be honest.
And I don't even exclude that they could release exactly this press release (this shows how much I trust them ATM).
 
Mathgamer said:
Konami

[About "eFootball™ 2022"]. The production team has confirmed that we have received many comments and requests regarding the game balance of this product, such as the speed of passing and defensive operations, as well as reports of problems with the demo scenes, player expressions and movements, and ball behavior. (To be continued) We sincerely apologize for the parts of the game that do not meet your expectations. We will take your comments seriously and strive to make improvements. (Continued 2) We will continue to update this title to improve the quality and add more content sequentially. From next week onwards, we will be conducting customer surveys to receive further feedback, and we are preparing for the update to be released in October. (Continued) (3) We will do our best to satisfy as many customers as possible, and we look forward to your continued support of "eFootball™ 2022".
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Same story again and again and again,
 
We are yet to find the 8% on steam who enjoyed this game as it is. I would really love to see someone from konami to have the balls and comment on this situation we are at the moment. This is why they didn´t want any footage shown, or why we didn´t have anything better than what the trailers shown. Simply because there is NOTHING better to show. This is and Alpha release, and i have played alphas in better state than this is. I guess this must be even worse than CP2077. They should refund everyone that Blindly bought their Player pack, just for this mess to have even bigger proportions (because i think people who have bought that shit, deserve what they are getting for being blind fanboys, and should be obbliged to give Konami another 40€).

Like someone said, Microsoft could buy Koinami for 10M, and that would be a little to much for all the shit they did to their own IP´s

 
sun7 said:
He’s not wrong regarding PES 2020/21 shooting physics. Any square shot as no flow or curve, it’s a straight rocket. And even the r2 shooting can be discuss if that physics looks right (sometimes it does, others don’t).
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Straight Rocket was on PES 2016 especially.
I don't have issue since PES 2019 about shooting strong or weak they've added a lot of variety since PES 2015-16, more and more game after game to became what it is now. And it's more than acceptable.
I prefers even shooting from PES, i feel the shoot, the weight of the ball. In Fifa, there's curve yes but the ball if by far too small and i just don't FEEL the impact. It's like pushing the ball with strength more than shooting. Floating feeling too.
To me, it's completely wrong to say there's no variety on shoot on PES 2020-21. On the previous ones yes. Even on (one favorite here) PES 2017 there's no such variety.

There's much more variety in PES 2021 than in any older PES except perhaps the 2012, well 2013 shoot is floaty and you don't feel the impact.
But on old PES it doesn't seems people carried... Nostalgia perhaps. I read a lot of thing without any recoil about the "current" (well last years) PES : because it's a bit the Fox again and again year after year, and some are annoyed by it.
I understand, i was bored a lot by FIFA engine from 10 to 14. Only big change that i didn't liked : tactical defending (well, it was good before FIFA 15 in terms of effectiveness) I prefers a thousand times pressing. It's much more natural as a feeling, i was kind of defending IRL in the past. Pressing someone was totally natural, but contain him from a 1 meter distance and followed him... No. It's a "game" thing, not a "football" thing.

EDIT/ I noticed when someone play too much Fifa, he feel the PES ball as a bullet. When someone play too much PES, he feel Fifa ball as an helium baloon.
I played both in the same time practically (the 19) and i can say in fact, the best feeling of impact and ball physics overall is by far won by PES. Shooting curve in real isn't that pronounced neither, there's a bit of exageration in FIFA and a bit of "straightness" on PES. It's a matter of choice, but reality is between the two, but closer to PES to me.

Sorry again for the O.T., well i didn't started to talk about Fifa and the thread is practically dead as the game is in a total coma until a future update (if there's one at least "playable")
 
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rammeal said:
Pressing seems like it's tied to tactics now and possibly the defensive engagement attribute now(maybe?) , Possesion and Quick Counter teams will automatically press you after they lose the ball now. It's strange I really hope this isn't all there is for tactics and formations.
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They are hiding how unfinished this all ìs.

The fact we cannot select tactically how we want to defend sums up the sorry broken state this game is.

This honestly made me feel quite down yesterday. I think that was by far the worst, most soul sapping, disappointing football gaming session I have ever had :( even shit like adidas power soccer was fun. I've been playing this game since I was 7.

This was like discovering a family member is a heroin addict and has to have his arm amputated.
 
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【『eFootball™ 2022』について】 本商品について、パスのスピードやディフェンス操作など、ゲームバランスについてのご意見やご要望を数多くお寄せいただいていること、また、デモシーン、選手の表情や動き、ボールの挙動などに不具合が報告されていることを、制作チームでも確認しております。
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["EFootball ™ About 2022] Regarding this product, we have received many opinions and requests regarding game balance such as pass speed and defense operation, and there have been reports of problems with demoscenes, player facial expressions and movements, ball behavior, etc. The production team has also confirmed that.

（続き①） 皆様のご期待にお応えできていない部分につきましては、誠に申し訳ございません。 いただいた内容を真摯に受け止め、改善に努めてまいります。
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@we_konami

（続き②） 本作は継続的なアップデートを実施し、クオリティの向上やコンテンツの追加を順次行う予定です。 次週以降、随時お客様へのアンケートを実施して更なるご意見を頂戴しつつ、まずは10月中のアップデート配信に向けて準備を進めております。
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do i have to believe them?
 
Ok so Konami sent a July code to Sony/Xbox to approve for 30th. Surely they could have released a day 1 patch to supersede this awful release? Is that beyond the realms of imagination? I mean I’ll stick with this because I can’t play FIFA and don’t have a pc for a modded pes 2021. Konami really are beyond belief.
 
Right. The one thing I can cling onto for this shitshow is apparently this disgraced a code we have for efootball on launch is far older than what TMK, Spooky and cam played at Windsor. Apparently that's already much superior and far less bugs.

Why this code didn't come on day one is a disgrace. Who on earth though what was there on release was good ENOUGH????
 
Maybe they wanted to give us a taste of what this model looks like with a quick patch coming soon lol. Man I don't know, I'm clutching at straws. This company is baffling.
 
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