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juce said:
@Sami 1999 that is correct, but see my earlier post about using cracked/un-DRMed exes.
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If konami do end up breaking 2021, which will happen since denuvo contracts are usually for a limited period, there are two scenarios.

One, Konami release a non denuvo exe. This, I'd expect from a competent developer. So, not happening.
The second is someone Un-DRMs the latest exe. The people who usually do this I believe are like us so they'd want to do it. Even if they don't, there are tutorials to do that stuff.
 
juce said:
@Sami 1999 that is correct, but see my earlier post about using cracked/un-DRMed exes.

What @millossobek and i were discussing here is the regular scenario. Say you bought the game via legal means, paid money, got a gift, whatever. So you think you "own" it, but that's not really so. What you actually bought is a right to play the game when something else decides that it is ok for you to play it. And that's the part i don't really like. Granted, this model is quite popular nowadays, not only in gaming... but that doesn't mean it's not wrong.
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Yes I completely agree with you and share the same sentiment. Unfortunately most people don't seem to mind this model. Nevertheless, I always keep keep the means to remove the drms and have my game files backed up in blank dvds or hdds.

Unfortunately, RIP fifa 16. The day I forget my password or something goes wrong with my origin account etc, I will loose access to fifa 16. This is why I don't invest on modding that game anymore, don't see the point when I can loose access to that game forever if something goes wrong. I still play that game sometimes but that's about it.
 
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Same. I backed up my files just in case. I think a lot of us play with net blocker anyway, so I don't think that lack of support will be a major problem. I've also read of cases of people playing very old games (2006 or so) they purchased at the beginning of steam, and are still there to play, so even if they don't sell them anymore, chances are that we will be able to keep playing modded offline PES 2021. If not, we can start an offline PES gaming revolution! Haha.. peace out my friends. 😎 ✌️
 
its999maggle said:
If konami do end up breaking 2021, which will happen since denuvo contracts are usually for a limited period, there are two scenarios.

One, Konami release a non denuvo exe. This, I'd expect from a competent developer. So, not happening.
The second is someone Un-DRMs the latest exe. The people who usually do this I believe are like us so they'd want to do it. Even if they don't, there are tutorials to do that stuff.
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Yeah, but removing denuvo is pretty hard, I don't know if you can just google and find the documentation to reverse engineer these drms. There is also the issue of each iteration of denuvo being different.

That means you have to find people that are completely capable of reverse engineering denuvo and then remove it from the said games.
This is obviously not impossible, but it will take a huge effort and dedication.


I think Capcom removes denuvo from their Resident Evil games after a year or two from the release date. Unfortunately like you said, Konami is far from being a competent dev. They aren't already consumer friendly, and they probably don't care about their older titles once they release a new one.

millossobek said:
If not, we can start an offline PES gaming revolution! Haha.. peace out my friends. 😎 ✌️
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Haha, pretty sure if someone starts something like that, Konami will send guy in suits and sue the shit outta them like 2k did to some guy for modding Red Dead Redemption 1.
Hopefully not, but can't trust these companies.
 
All I want to do is keep playing my Master Leagues and Cups for years and years to come with my modded leagues and with gameplay that I enjoy and with the game that I purchased.. this is all I ask for really. Whether it's modded pes 2021 or efootball whatnot, this is all I'm asking for as well as so many other offline leagues fans.. :WORSHIP:
 
Emroth said:
I dont think there was anything next gen in NFG or the trailer.
It was a base, cross platform (ps5/ps4) bare bones game.
If anything - they will pimp it up on PS5/Xbox X/S at the later stage.

Im still waiting for some info about gameplay tho. They can upscale the graphics all they want, but if im missing half of the controls - it aint gonna be pretty.

And I saw few people (one even replying to my gameplay concern on twitter) claiming that mobile users will be required to use controller.
And I think thats bollox. There's no way Konami would risk losing big part of players by forcing anyone to use controller. They will give them an option.
Which again - raises the question about all the advance controls.
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this first screeners in the trailer... the stadium shots, i want that to be the real deal.
thats what im telling myself for some time now... :D
 
cb7 said:
God, that sentence is getting so old. It's a no brainer that the conclusions are based on what Konami did for the last 15 years.... all of us can see the pattern with our eyes and mind shut by now.
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Then go ahead and be angry. Stop complaining as your attitude is getting old.
Imagine being so upset about a game...
 
G'day all! Been a lurker for ages, greetings from the land of AUS!

Following the recent developements with the game & reading all the comments has made me truly appreciate this place. The positivity, negativity, skepticism, denial and most importantly the memes!
I might be bothered typing my humble opinions on the matter later (I'm more inconsistent in life , than Bale at Madrid).

I just wanted to take this time to give a big THANK YOU to ALL the brilliant modders & the community that supports them. It is thanks to you, I can setup pes21/17 to be a massive Football RPG with every kit, stadium & stat! ( I see you master Juce.. ty for Sider! ) Oh & ofcourse while I'm waiting for those all those stadiums to download, I can boot up an old WE9LE/PES6 and go back to another time.

It is not taken for granted, huge respect!

No matter what happens to KONAMI, I don't want to see this place turn into a wasteland. I will try to contribute where I can, our numbers will only grow!

P.s Someone mentioned way back in the thread about telling Tony Khan to make a new football game. Ya know after his new AEW game comes out, he might just be crazy (in the best way) enough to do it? :) or I'm an optimist now idk anymore.
 
Mikhail said:
I don’t see any anger - just people who are fed up with Konami after we’ve invested lots of money and time on their games over the last few decades.

People are entitled to have a moan.
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Ok brother, that said being fed up is up there with "Anger". I feel your frustration towards Konami, but what will you do once the game is out and plays really well?

Shouldnt be judging a game without any valid information.
 
janguv said:
Here's what he actually "predicted" before, below. A lot of it just word soup. Conspiratorial nonsense as well ("change your myClub kit before opening a lootbox and get a better result!").

A plonker of the highest order.
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The disturbing thing is some of his posts were garnering quite a few likes. I swear some people will lap up any old dross as long as it sounds upbeat. This individual had a level of detachment from reality that even the Flat Earth Society would distance itself from. Right away I felt something was off, anyone who claims to have been "keeping tabs" on an internet forum for over ten years is quite likely not operating with a full deck of cards. The way he took the announcements as verifying everything he had said required a level of doublethink that only the most deranged fanatic could pull off. I hope for their sake it was just a troll but equally I do believe there are people in the PES community like that, where the game has become so tied to their identity that merely seeing people who are not as positive as they are is personally injurious to them.

I mean Konami puts out a few tweets with information that should have obviously been there with the initial reveal, and he acts like it's a revolution in customer relations that will be studied in marketing classes, lauding the fact they are taking player feedback into account, which is an interesting way to spin damage control.

realnayn said:
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Wow, amazing, are we sure this guy didn't have insider info with that level of accuracy? Never mind the fact that my toaster could have predicted there would be options for crossplay in a cross-platform game, and that it was literally confirmed a week ago in the Japanese intervew.

realnayn said:
One of my main points goes back towards the engine and how that unreal engine was mainly implemented for the cross play and development process who knows fix engine might still be running the gameplay elements whilst unreal is doing a whole different job for the game.
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Hardly a knock-down argument is it? Konami explained that themselves in the IGN interview, not to mention that it's blatantly obvious to anyone that is sentient and someone actually predicted it on this thread weeks if not months ago. And no, there aren't two engines running at the same time you spanner. 🤦‍♂️

realnayn said:
This is such a huge green flag to say hey we are seeing and listening and we will clear up the shitstorm... Who knows maybe the shitstorm was part of their plans to show us something dumbed down and then wow us all with the next gen and final production gameplay and graphics.
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Ah yes, it was all part of the grand strategy. On the one hand the reason they haven't shown the game in a good light is simply because they "don't market right in the UK", but at the same time they are pulling off these genius reverse psychology marketing ploys, makes total sense.

realnayn said:
1. PES WILL BE NEXT GEN AND ON PC
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Yes, in contradiction to the Reddit guy who said it wouldn't be at launch. (Whose posts 90% of the nonsense you initially wrote was based on).

realnayn said:
2. IT WONT BE DUMBED DOWN TO KEEP UP WITH A SMARTPHONE
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The graphics won't be changed because they can scale independently to an extent. That says nothing about animation, physics, AI, netcode, game speed, etc. etc. We know next to nothing about what limitations the gameplay will need to have in order to be interoperable with mobile devices. Judging by New Football Game, probably quite a lot. Claiming this is a victory is so fucking idiotic it beggars belief. The whole reason the Reddit LARPer came up with the idea of auto-scaling is because it allowed the possibility of next-gen gameplay in spite of crossplay, or multiple games within one so to speak, with that idea out of the window then it can only mean the gameplay will be scaled to the lowest device out of the box.

realnayn said:
3. MASTER LEAGUE IS CONFIRMED NOT FINISHED 😂
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Look at him laugh-crying at the fact Master League is now an after-thought. And there were people who thought this worthy of a thumbs up...

The only semblance of a point he had is that this is clearly meant to be a long-term project, and just because it will probably be bad to begin with doesn't mean it always will be. Although we can forget the idea of ever having a truly next-gen PES, if they've built a properly future proof cross-device platform that could last the next ten years, and it doesn't crash and burn causing Konami to pull the plug, then it could turn out to be a good decision in the long run. However if the gameplay is similar to NFG (and especially if FIFA 22 is good) then I think there is a real danger that eFootball turns out to be a catastrophic failed experiment.
 
Yosuke Mike said:
What am I doing? Once its released I ll play the game and judge for myself. Is that what you gonna do?
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Doesn't even matter. That's what we'll all do. And then personally I'll go play something else, even if it's good, and spend my money elsewhere since there won't be a master league until next year. And then we'll repeat that process next year, maybe. It's just a curiosity at this point, not a game I'm really looking forward too, lol.
 
HeWillKnockFourTimes said:
If Konami fail with eFootball, as in no-one/not enough players, what would happen then?
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No more football content coming from Konami. The Pes IP will be actually dead, just like it already happened with MGS, Suikoden, Silent Hill and many other Konami games, never to be used again, until maybe one day a new Konami Digitial Entertainment president decides that maybe they can make lots of money with it.
 
Ameppe said:
No more football content coming from Konami. The Pes IP will be actually dead, just like it already happened with MGS, Suikoden, Silent Hill and many other Konami games, never to be used again, until maybe one day a new Konami Digitial Entertainment president decides that maybe they can make lots of money with it.
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I guess no value in selling the tech/IP?
 
Yosuke Mike said:
What am I doing? Once its released I ll play the game and judge for myself. Is that what you gonna do?
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You literally said:
but what will you do once the game is out and plays really well?

Shouldnt be judging a game without any valid information.
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You say that the game will play really well and then say we shouldn’t judge a game without valid information!

Have you played the full version then? Most of us here are forming opinions on the god awful game we’ve already played, what we already know about Konami’s incompetence and the lack of any single player Career Mode/Master League at launch.

So again, we’re having a moan and we’re absolutely entitled to do so.
 
Mikhail said:
You literally said:

You say that the game will play really well and then say we shouldn’t judge a game without valid information!

Have you played the full version then? Most of us here are forming opinions on the god awful game we’ve already played, what we already know about Konami’s incompetence and the lack of any single player Career Mode/Master League at launch.

So again, we’re having a moan and we’re absolutely entitled to do so.
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No bro, i did not say that the game will be good. I asked you a question, to which you still have no answer to.
Read the sentence out loud and comprehend my friend.

Nopes, I have not played any version yet. Not the "New Football Game", nothing. Why would I want to play that? Its nowhere near the final code. Have you played the final version? Are you entitled to judge a game, which has not even been released!???
I am not comprehending your logic here. Just doesn't make much sense to me.

You are not having a moan. You are just being illogical and negative. Thats all.
 
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