Csabone88
Non-League
- 14 April 2020
With HBZ mod ,i still play it from time to time..... do you know, Harry Bullzak updated to 23-24 season ?
EA SPORTS FC 24
- Thread starter Chris Davies
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I've never actually seen it as an excuse, but more as a rationalisation, or coping mechanism.
I do feel that you might be misinterpreting the intention or motivation of people who say "its fifa".
It's more in the vein of "it's chinatown", I think, than giving fifa a free ride.
- Staff
- #1,023
Could be. I might. Thats what I used to think anyways. But in recent years it slowly started to feel like "Its Fifa" = zero expectations from us - customers. And that bothers me.
I don't think he did yet... And I reasonably don't think he will, at least for some time.
I mean, the season has just started ant the new season's game (from which I think assets like kits and such are converted) hasn't even been released!
On a different note, the Switch version of FC 24 will not be based on Ignite anymore so we'll have to see what will be compatible with titles based on Ignite (like FIFA 16) or older.
It was widely used for assets in the past years.
Matt10
International
- 5 February 2004
That's fine. Those tools help the experience for some people. If those people aren't you, then okay.
I say every year that enjoying FIFA is about making sacrifices, it just depends on what that is - and even more so what it is that year. Some can sacrifice certain things, some can't - and that is totally fine.
I can't expect what isn't realistic, and for me what isn't realistic is seeing the game designed one way - then being upset that it's magically not designed my way when I play it on default. If I choose to play said game, does that mean my standards have dropped? No, it just means I want to play a footy game, and I'm desperate to play it. It's not more complicated than that. I'm not trying to take a stand or display my standards, or whatever. I'm simply a video gamer who wants to play the current year's title and try to enjoy the game as close to enjoyable as possible.
Ezequiel Vanzin
Conference
- 31 December 2022
A bit of nostalgia here, if we go to see I love pes 2008 on the ps2 but by far still due to the time it's ok, but if you buy it and play today it's well below even modern fifas, very limited mechanics, so what game is it unanimity? Up to fifa 14 and 16 there are people who hate and love it, others think it's perfect, pes 2021 I think is the apex, others hated it, and finally it will never please everyone, in my opinion still pes 2021 with mod is the closest to reality , but anyway, everyone has a vision of football and who is right? I played amateur football here and I can't say which one is more realistic because it's my vision!
Of course we all have our favourite football games from the past, whether it’s PES 5/6 or FIFA 16, Pes 2021, etc, etc.
And we all have our own idea of how much “realism” we want in a football game.
I get that. But that’s not the point.
The problem is this - that EA have no interest in making the REALLY REALLY BASIC stuff realistic - like making players move in realistic ways. Making sure players can’t change direction in the blink of an eye, or play a bullet pass directly behind them. REALLY REALLY BASIC stuff.
Imagine if Codemasters, in designing the Formula One games had said, “You know what, we don’t think F1 cars go fast enough. We’re going to make the cars in our game go 500 miles per hour.“
That’s where we’re at with football games at the moment.
The makers of the only annual football game think the real game of football is too boring.
And we all have our own idea of how much “realism” we want in a football game.
I get that. But that’s not the point.
The problem is this - that EA have no interest in making the REALLY REALLY BASIC stuff realistic - like making players move in realistic ways. Making sure players can’t change direction in the blink of an eye, or play a bullet pass directly behind them. REALLY REALLY BASIC stuff.
Imagine if Codemasters, in designing the Formula One games had said, “You know what, we don’t think F1 cars go fast enough. We’re going to make the cars in our game go 500 miles per hour.“
That’s where we’re at with football games at the moment.
The makers of the only annual football game think the real game of football is too boring.
papinho81
Champions League
Do you still have expectations from EA?
I am personally totally resigned and I prefer to move on (non footy games) and move back (play older footy games)
- Staff
- #1,030
As a customer I do, yeah. its no different than buying any other thing and paying full price for half arsed product.
And thats why:
I havent bought Fifa23 and no way that Im gonna buy EAFC.
But a lot of people did drop expectations and standards, doesnt matter what they say. And they will pay full price for it.
Which is just sad. Coz we should demand more.
Mathgamer
Premier League
- 11 April 2016
Thanks for this mate, I'll send it to the team.
Placebo
Ԁlɐɔǝqo
We've been suggesting additional sliders for more than a decade and we still have the same ones.
- Thread starter
- Staff
- #1,034
Jesus Christ. That's a fantastic comparison.
The difference in movement... Natural and human, versus glitchy skating and shuffling.
The difference in ball movement... Natural (ball leaving the floor occasionally, and a non-fluctuating ball weight) versus ball bearing being dragged along the floor on a magnet, to magnet boots.
No nostalgia about it. Purely just how much more grounded and less cartoony the physics are.
All you need is a couple of seconds of EASFC footage just to go "why is everybody hovering around the field".
I genuinely, without trying to troll or be an arsehole, can't see how anyone working on that gameplay can defend it. Except to say "it's an eSport now" and admit that it's not supposed to be like football. At which point, I can begin to move on.
krzysiek923
League 1
- 15 September 2021
There's something wrong if the only thing I want (or better expect) from the newest football game is CPU shooting from distance and doing crosses.
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Matt10
International
- 5 February 2004
They do both just fine.
Matt10
International
- 5 February 2004
I loved FIFA 11 for the PS3. I had to really try to get better because Professional was too easy, but World Class was too hard. Think I went winless, and eventually sacked, trying to use Wolves.
FCDallas_Fan
League 1
- 23 September 2018
Played a good bit last night and finally got around to watching replays. The skating is even prevalent during goal celebrations and players not involved in the plays. Watching the backline move forward on attacks was like synchronized skating on a few occasions.
One thing I do enjoy though, is how some of the best players in the world feel different on the attack, especially when playing defense. Mbappe was putting some moves on me last night driving me mad, while players at a lower skill level were attacking in different, less effective ways.
One thing I do enjoy though, is how some of the best players in the world feel different on the attack, especially when playing defense. Mbappe was putting some moves on me last night driving me mad, while players at a lower skill level were attacking in different, less effective ways.
- Thread starter
- Staff
- #1,039
Fixed - underhit touches.
Fixed - bad first touches where the ball bounces away from the player.
Fixed (but not mentioned) - the game speed has been made even faster.
They might as well remove attributes from the game, remove the opponents from the field and make the goals twice the size, why not go all the way?
Every update just takes it further and further from reality. It's hell.
It's hell, to watch this happening to football games, when I sincerely don't believe it's what the majority of players want (I'm not saying all players want a sim, but I don't think players really want such an aggressively dumbed-down game). It just makes it so boring.
Man, what a downgrade...
FIFA 11 was my first FIFA, and I really loved it when I was a young lad. I returned to football video games not so long ago, and I always had this feeling that even this one was more realistic than any of the new FIFAs. However, I thought it was just nostalgia and a bit exaggerated since I hadn't really played it again, nor had I watched videos of it since. Now, seeing them compared this way is just beyond what I could even imagine. I'm not going to repeat what Chris has already said regarding the gameplay, but even graphically - which just makes no sense at all when you think about it - the gap between the two is unreal. Seriously, look at the pitch: how can they release that in 2023? It genuinely looks like they drew those "next-gen" turfs in Microsoft Paint. FIFA 11 sure had its flaws, but it was 13 years ago. This post is sort of a rhetorical question because at the end of the day we all know the "perfect" game could have been made 10 years ago, the recipe is simple: one game every decade, fully moddable, open source game engine and voilà.
...and consider that that one was FIFA 10 after all, not FIFA 11.
Yeah, on PC (as far as I remember) FIFA 11 was just FIFA 10 (even with the same bugs like keepers reacting very poorly to long passes for example) with 10/11 kits, boots, balls and rosters.
It might as well read "we've turned off attributes and everybody now has FUT cards". I mean vanilla FIFA has been this way for years anyway...
Fixed - underhit touches.
Fixed - bad first touches where the ball bounces away from the player.
Fixed (but not mentioned) - the game speed has been made even faster.
They might as well remove attributes from the game, remove the opponents from the field and make the goals twice the size, why not go all the way?
Every update just takes it further and further from reality. It's hell.
It's hell, to watch this happening to football games, when I sincerely don't believe it's what the majority of players want (I'm not saying all players want a sim, but I don't think players really want such an aggressively dumbed-down game). It just makes it so boring.
Can I be blunt?
A lot of you here complain about the game. A lot of you have rose tinted specs about older games. The answer of "it's fifa" is correct, thats the game you've been buying. Its not EAs fault you dont like it but 10m other people do and buy all the microtransactions as well. Its always been this way.
I couldnt play without mods as they convert the game into what i want. This is why i was perfectly happy still playing fifa 20/21. They are extremely enjoyable sims with mods and if you were willing, you could spend some time updating the teams and its a better game than anything else.
So. Why dont you just accept its going to be shit and dont buy it. Or get a version on PC and make something that suits you and enjoy yourself.
See you in a month when you have all bought it and continue to complain. 😉
- Thread starter
- Staff
- #1,043
It's the disbelief that keeps me posting about it, and mostly, wanting to find out if I'm alone in being shocked at how little football there is within the gameplay.
Also, this is a discussion forum, so... I'm posting about something I'd like to discuss.
Hopefully I will have the willpower not to buy after experiencing the beta, but when people start claiming the game is incredible with sliders and/or mods, I know I'll be tempted, because football games are all I play - and eFootball is an empty game right now. But, fingers crossed.
Pagi84
League 1
Misery loves company
Nah, but seriously, I think we all are just very passionate about football gaming, hence why we are here.I haven't bought the last two FIFAs, for exactly the reason you say. I accept I hate it and many like it and like being manipulated by legalized gambling, but my problem is it is completely unethical, predatory and should be made illegal ASAP. Then once that happens, and only then, we will then see the innovation and creativity we all expect from football gaming.
Modern society loves cancelling people for silly comments, but doesn't want to cancel big corporations for preying on kids and making them gambling addicts.
Hello Chris
Fixed - underhit touches.
Fixed - bad first touches where the ball bounces away from the player.
Fixed (but not mentioned) - the game speed has been made even faster.
They might as well remove attributes from the game, remove the opponents from the field and make the goals twice the size, why not go all the way?
Every update just takes it further and further from reality. It's hell.
It's hell, to watch this happening to football games, when I sincerely don't believe it's what the majority of players want (I'm not saying all players want a sim, but I don't think players really want such an aggressively dumbed-down game). It just makes it so boring.
I haven't this message on the beta. You're on pc or console?
I have read all the posts and everyone said the truth. Old games were better : harder, better AI, offline gamers were the target.
With the online, the fast success story of FUT, footy games became cards games and no more footy game.
We know now than these masterpiece of gameplay are for old gamers like us.
We have only two choices : we can say "f**k o**, i can't play this shit, I'm done" or trying like Matt, Paul V and all the sliders and mod community to helping our loving friends to go back to a football game.
EA didn't help us with more crappy editions year after year. Vanilla you can't have fun, it's impossible since FIFA 18. Sliding is the more hard think to fix because it's on the code. We can't erase it.
But things like slower gameplay, crosses, long shots, more variety from CPU, battle in the middle, good defense, great parking, it's possible.
I found other negative points in EA FC 24 BETA CODE ( [PlayStation 5 ) and leave them for you.
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- CPU playmakers in the middle of the field lead to less long ball plays. For example, players like Toni Kroos tend to send long balls less. If in real football, players like Toni Kroos make long passes from the middle of the field to make plays. But in the FC 24 game, they do this limited and very little.
- The shots towards the goal of the CPU are extremely accurate. Most of their shots are placed in the frame and it should not be like this, and the game in this part should be a little more balanced.
- The game type of CPU during the attack has little variety, and the CPU should play more diverse and enjoyable during the attack.
- The accuracy of CPU ground passes is very high. The accuracy of the passes should be reduced and more balanced.
- The user's defense mechanisms have problems. Sometimes the user can't do anything to defend and the defenses sometimes become stupid and play statically and don't mark the CPU players well.
- The accuracy of Lob Pass Assistance passes is extremely high and precise. And even sometimes the speed of this type of passes is very fast and artificial.
- The speed of Cross Assistance passes are sent very fast and artificial at times and the ball physics becomes a balloon.
- The overall speed of the game fluctuates greatly. Sometimes the speed is relatively acceptable. Sometimes the speed of the game increases drastically and the overall gameplay becomes very unnatural. This speed fluctuation problem was in the core of the gameplay in previous years. Again, this problem can be seen in the FC 24 version.
- The body rotation speed of the players is very fast. This problem can be seen even in the gameplay slow Speed setting. At times, the players' body rotates like a rocket, and the animations of the foot-to the-ball and the body rotation of the players are very fast and unnatural. This is a root problem that the development team has no plans to fix.
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okaranza
League 1
you, the players who play against the cpu, are simply not the target, no matter how many sliders the game has, the default gameplay is focused on people who open cards and finish 10-10 against someone who has Cech as a striker
- Staff
- #1,048
How are EA developers not embarrassed by what they are producing is beyond me.
If someone showed me these two clips and I was one of those who worked on these modern abominations - Id fucking burn in shame..
- Staff
- #1,049
no it wasnt. I still play Fifa16 on console, with no mods and its very good.
Same with Fifa14, 17 and 18.
They all are solid football games "out of the box".
I did.
and dont worry - you wont see me complaining about EAFC "in few months after I buy it".
Still - like Chris said - its mainly a football game forum and I/we have every right to be as blunt as you were there and say how it is. Regardless whether it affects us or not.
EA is producing a joke of a game and someone should continue calling them out on it.
The thought that goes through my head is...when they're making this game, do they even consider that they're making a football game anymore? Because if they were using football as a template, how do they square that with the totally unrealistic game elements that result from their development cycles? Do they genuinely say wow, we're really rocking here? Do they feed a kind of collective wilful blindness? Or do they just accept that they're making a bastardised version of football? If so, how utterly demoralising it must be.