EA SPORTS FC 24

kamy100 said:
A snippet of gameplay:

https://www.tiktok.com/t/ZGJ4pTbh3/
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3 minutes into the first game and they run through the defence to score. Sigh.

I'm struggling to see the difference so far - admittedly the two "clips" are terrible quality and seconds long, but... Skating galore, defenders not working together, ball changing physics on the fly to guarantee passes are successful (the Twitter clip a few posts ago, there's a defender who's having to deal with a cross, but rather than clear it, he makes a perfect volleyed pass to a teammate who controls it impossibly well and is immediately moving away - so it looks like it's still just counter-counter-counter, no midfield).

Certainly not seeing the benefit (or even the difference) of the 100x more Hypermotion data or whatever that line was. (Yet.)

But anyone expecting EASFC to move closer to a football fan's interests, rather than a gamer's interests (i.e. make it as easy to play and quick to make me feel like a superstar God, and I'll keep giving you FUT money), is mad.

Gaming has changed and we have nowhere to go. Back to my first point - when I played a new PES, the excitement was always "how long is it going to take me to figure out how to score in this one", because defensive AI was always tweaked.

Now, the development focus seems to be "gamers will get angry and dump the game if they don't score easily - and we NEED them to be hooked into our product to keep the money rolling in".

I really don't think there will be a football-based game that looks or feels more like football than it does a hockey/Fortnite game, ever again.
 
peroberilo said:
Those haircuts and beards + laugh = everything you need to know.
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This is the kind of stuff that makes us sound like angry old men who just want to shake our walking sticks at young people.

Let's keep it about the game rather than make anything needlessly personal please. Otherwise it's impossible to have an open conversation.
 
Chris Davies said:
This is the kind of stuff that makes us sound like angry old men who just want to shake our walking sticks at young people.

Let's keep it about the game rather than make anything needlessly personal please. Otherwise it's impossible to have an open conversation.
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This is the reason why fifa and pes ended up here --- and being like they are.

50% of todays young people are idiots by any metrics. And 90% of fifa players are. Who ever buy those coins is an idiot, not for me --- but by any standard of calling someone an idiot.

I dont see we are doing favours to anybody by rejecting the facts.

Not saying it would help also, but just to analyze how we ended up here in 2023.
 
peroberilo said:
This is the reason why fifa and pes ended up here --- and being like they are.

50% of todays young people are idiots by any metrics. And 90% of fifa players are. Who ever buy those coins is an idiot, not for me --- but by any standard of calling someone an idiot.

I dont see we are doing favours to anybody by rejecting the facts.

Not saying it would help also, but just to analyze how we ended up here in 2023.
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50% of young people today are idiots? Where did you pluck that statistic from? Your arse?
 
PRO_TOO said:
That’s what I thought… had that one years ago… don’t get me started on VR…
But i don’t think it’s coming.
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I'm still doubting if it will be released as a gamecam or a replay cam. Probably replay cam, because it has the HyperMotion™ overlays.
I get dizzy while playing with the 3rd person pro camera, imagine in POV lol
 
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In this article, I will give explanations about "HyperMotionV" and "Frames Captured" to see what the EA SPORT FC development team has been working on this year and what goals they are pursuing. The FIFA development team has come to talk about Frames Captured and said that FC 24 used 590 million captured frames in an 11 vs. 11 game, which means that the number of captured forms is 80 X greater than in FIFA 23. In the FIFA 23 game, the amount of captured forms was 9.2 million, and this figure in the FIFA 22 game reached 8.7 million captured forms.

Therefore, the form captured in the three versions of the 9th generation EA Sport football game was as follows:
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  • The FIFA 22 game has captured 8.7 million forms​
  • The FIFA 23 game has captured 9.2 million forms​
  • FC 24 game has been captured by 590 million forms​

Now we have to see how many forms were captured in these three versions and in how many matches did the development team manage to get 11 against 11 forms in one game?!
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  • In the FIFA 22 game, the developer team was able to achieve this amount of captured form in one - 90-minute match by HyperMotion 1 technology.​
  • In the FIFA 23 game, the development team was able to achieve this amount of captured form in two - 90-minute matches using HyperMotion 2 technology.​
  • In the FC 24 game, the development team was able to achieve this amount of captured form in 180 - 90-minute matches by HyperMotion V technology.​

The first thing that concerns your mind is how the development team was able to reach this level of captured form in the FC 24 version, and also how they were able to reach this level in 180 matches and why the difference between the captured form and the It is so much compared to the previous two versions, and finally, why has the work speed increased so much compared to the previous two versions?! The answer to this question is the difference in scanning the players in a 90-minute match!

In Hypermotion 1 and 2, the recording was done through the sensors on the players, and this slowed down the work of the captured form of the animations for the development team.

View attachment FIFA 23 - Page 4 - انجمن های بازی سنتر.mp4

A return to the past

If you remember, in 2022, I gave an explanation about Deep Learning technology and talked about recording and capturing players' movements from a soccer game camera, and I said that FIFA's technical department has been working on this technology for years. Like in FC 24 they finally managed to reach this technology. In the previous two versions, as I mentioned, Deep Learning technology was used, but the game was recorded by the sensors in an 11 vs. 11 match, and the technical department had not yet been able to do the same from a match recorded from a camera view. Play a match and finally in FC 24 they were able to use this technology and in a way it can be said that the FIFA development team is making better and more complete use of this technology year by year.

View attachment FIFA 22 - Page 6 - انجمن های بازی سنتر.mp4

The form of capturing animations through the camera without the need for sensors on the players' bodies

As I mentioned, in HyperMotion Volumetric, the animations are captured through a camera without the need for sensors on the players' bodies (watch the two videos above and below, you will understand the story nicely), that is, Volumetric capture from cameras for uploading a 360-degree perspective. It uses a movement or a series of movements and when the uploaded data is analyzed by a specialized computer it will provide a 3D digital representation of the person as they appear on the camera.

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What is a frame in animation?

A frame is a single image in a series of images. One second of video is usually made up of 24 or 30 frames per second, abbreviated as FPS. Animation is created by extracting consecutive frames. When subsequent frames have evaluated them, they are checked for re-viewing and all frames are displayed throughout the animation.

You can think of animations as frames that are displayed at close intervals for a long time in a row. When an image with pixels is displayed on the screen, the frame is used in context. Making pixels from each frame can be an "integrated operation in the animation process".

Types of frames in animation

Not all frames are the same. Each frame type is optimized for a specific animation purpose, and let's take a quick look at the types of frames that exist in the animation timeline:
​
  1. Placeholder frames: These are scripted and pre-written forms placed in the animation section and in the grid section on the timeline, it shows where the events are happening at any given time. To put it simply, if you want to give a clearer example, showing animations during cutscenes in games; Forming during cutscenes is much easier than forming in creating "Real Time In Game" animations, and this is the main reason why the quality of animations during cutscenes is more natural than "Real Time In Game" animations. And it looks more real; Because all parts of the form are embedded to create an animation at a certain time and place​
  2. Keyframes: If you want to make a visual change in your animation or perform an action, you can use a Keyframes. Keyframes are needed for frame-by-frame animation because you need to change each frame one by one. This type of form building is used to design "Real Time In Game" animations during gameplay, and developers face many challenges.​
  3. Regular frames: This type of framing is used to produce cinematic animations, starting from point A and ending at point B - that is, everything is pre-rendered.​
  4. Tweened Frames: When using the term tweened to switch from one animation to another. In this case, the form part of designing and embedding it is extremely difficult and exhausting for the builders. This is the animation integration we've been talking about all along. That is, switch from one animation to another animation, the shape and form of the two animations are different from each other, and if there is a problem in the formatting and embedding of the two animations during tweening, you will experience bugs, lag, and so-called stroke in the happy game. You become animations​

Conclusion

Hypermotion is a really advanced technology, but unfortunately it has become a victim of policies and internal fights of the development team. The game has three directors who are discussing the news about the design of the game in the form of "Simulation-Arcade-Competitive" and the game play design is confused in all parts in these three modes! A large part of game coding is old and obsolete, and many new codes are based on old codes!

Also, the strange thing is that this hypermotion technology was designed for a simulator gameplay along with responsive animations, but after a while, the development team complained about the slow and realistic animations of FIFA 22 "Ultimate Mode Gamers". that the animations are slow and unresponsive, and the development team gradually came with updates and designed the foot-to-ball animations section in a competitive way (feedback priority for the development team is the gamers of the ultimate section, especially the casual gamer) and the point is that the production team saw that the animations were designed from a realistic basis in order to make their work easier and to design highly responsive animations. Slipping or skating problems appeared in FIFA and many To speed up the response time of the animations, this story continued in FIFA 23.

Hypermotion is exactly like a Mercedes-Benz engine that is mounted on the body of an old and worn-out car, and you have to consider what will happen to the designed car and in which direction the output will be drawn.

Foot planting - foot to ball animations - designing animations in sports games

If you haven't read the story about "foot planting - foot to ball animations - designing animations in sports games", you can read it in this link if you like.​
 
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Warning. Ted talk has been provided and many strange takes are occuring in this thread. I do just love this community.
 
Datiss77 said:

In this article, I will give explanations about "HyperMotionV" and "Frames Captured" to see what the EA SPORT FC development team has been working on this year and what goals they are pursuing. The FIFA development team has come to talk about Frames Captured and said that FC 24 used 590 million captured frames in an 11 vs. 11 game, which means that the number of captured forms is 80 X greater than in FIFA 23. In the FIFA 23 game, the amount of captured forms was 9.2 million, and this figure in the FIFA 22 game reached 8.7 million captured forms.

Therefore, the form captured in the three versions of the 9th generation EA Sport football game was as follows:

  • The FIFA 22 game has captured 8.7 million forms
  • The FIFA 23 game has captured 9.2 million forms
  • FC 24 game has been captured by 590 million forms

Now we have to see how many forms were captured in these three versions and in how many matches did the development team manage to get 11 against 11 forms in one game?!

  • In the FIFA 22 game, the developer team was able to achieve this amount of captured form in "a 90-minute match" by HyperMotion 1 technology.
  • In the FIFA 23 game, the development team was able to achieve this amount of captured form in "two 90-minute matches" using HyperMotion 2 technology.
  • In the FC 24 game, the development team was able to achieve this amount of captured form in "180 90-minute matches" by HyperMotion V technology.

The first thing that concerns your mind is how the development team was able to reach this level of captured form in the FC 24 version, and also how they were able to reach this level in 180 matches and why the difference between the captured form and the It is so much compared to the previous two versions, and finally, why has the work speed increased so much compared to the previous two versions?! The answer to this question is the difference in scanning the players in a 90-minute match!

In Hypermotion 1 and 2, the recording was done through the sensors on the players, and this slowed down the work of the captured form of the animations for the development team.

View attachment 224469

A return to the past

If you remember, in 2022, I gave an explanation about Deep Learning technology and talked about recording and capturing players' movements from a soccer game camera, and I said that FIFA's technical department has been working on this technology for years. Like in FC 24 they finally managed to reach this technology. In the previous two versions, as I mentioned, Deep Learning technology was used, but the game was recorded by the sensors in an 11 vs. 11 match, and the technical department had not yet been able to do the same from a match recorded from a camera view. Play a match and finally in FC 24 they were able to use this technology and in a way it can be said that the FIFA development team is making better and more complete use of this technology year by year.

View attachment 224468

The form of capturing animations through the camera without the need for sensors on the players' bodies

As I mentioned, in HyperMotion Volumetric, the animations are captured through a camera without the need for sensors on the players' bodies (watch the two videos above and below, you will understand the story nicely), that is, Volumetric capture from cameras for uploading a 360-degree perspective. It uses a movement or a series of movements and when the uploaded data is analyzed by a specialized computer it will provide a 3D digital representation of the person as they appear on the camera.

View attachment 224470

What is a frame in animation?

A frame is a single image in a series of images. One second of video is usually made up of 24 or 30 frames per second, abbreviated as FPS. Animation is created by extracting consecutive frames. When subsequent frames have evaluated them, they are checked for re-viewing and all frames are displayed throughout the animation.

You can think of animations as frames that are displayed at close intervals for a long time in a row. When an image with pixels is displayed on the screen, the frame is used in context. Making pixels from each frame can be an "integrated operation in the animation process".

Types of frames in animation

Not all frames are the same. Each frame type is optimized for a specific animation purpose, and let's take a quick look at the types of frames that exist in the animation timeline:

  1. Placeholder frames: These are scripted and pre-written forms placed in the animation section and in the grid section on the timeline, it shows where the events are happening at any given time. To put it simply, if you want to give a clearer example, showing animations during cutscenes in games; Forming during cutscenes is much easier than forming in creating "Real Time In Game" animations, and this is the main reason why the quality of animations during cutscenes is more natural than "Real Time In Game" animations. And it looks more real; Because all parts of the form are embedded to create an animation at a certain time and place
  2. Keyframes: If you want to make a visual change in your animation or perform an action, you can use a Keyframes. Keyframes are needed for frame-by-frame animation because you need to change each frame one by one. This type of form building is used to design "Real Time In Game" animations during gameplay, and developers face many challenges.
  3. Regular frames: This type of framing is used to produce cinematic animations, starting from point A and ending at point B - that is, everything is pre-rendered.
  4. Tweened Frames: When using the term tweened to switch from one animation to another. In this case, the form part of designing and embedding it is extremely difficult and exhausting for the builders. This is the animation integration we've been talking about all along. That is, switch from one animation to another animation, the shape and form of the two animations are different from each other, and if there is a problem in the formatting and embedding of the two animations during tweening, you will experience bugs, lag, and so-called stroke in the happy game. You become animations

Conclusion

Hypermotion is a really advanced technology, but unfortunately it has become a victim of policies and internal fights of the development team. The game has three directors who are discussing the news about the design of the game in the form of "Simulation-Arcade-Competitive" and the game play design is confused in all parts in these three modes! A large part of game coding is old and obsolete, and many new codes are based on old codes!

Also, the strange thing is that this hypermotion technology was designed for a simulator gameplay along with responsive animations, but after a while, the development team complained about the slow and realistic animations of FIFA 22 "Ultimate Sector Gamers". that the animations are slow and unresponsive, and the development team gradually came with updates and designed the foot-to-ball animations section in a competitive way (feedback priority for the development team is the gamers of the ultimate section, especially the casual section) I like this mod) and the point is that the production team saw that the animations were designed from a realistic basis in order to make their work easier and to design highly responsive animations. Slipping or skating problems appeared in FIFA and many To speed up the response time of the animations, this story continued in FIFA 23.

Hypermotion is exactly like a gasoline engine that is mounted on the body of an old and worn-out car, and you have to consider what will happen to the designed car and in which direction the output will be drawn.

Foot planting - foot to ball animations - designing animations in sports games

If you haven't read the story about "foot planting - foot to ball animations - designing animations in sports games", you can read it in this link if you like.
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If only they could capture player positioning and movement on the pitch... (They surely have the data, but the will?
 
Datiss77 said:
Conclusion

Hypermotion is a really advanced technology, but unfortunately it has become a victim of policies and internal fights of the development team. The game has three directors who are discussing the news about the design of the game in the form of "Simulation-Arcade-Competitive" and the game play design is confused in all parts in these three modes! A large part of game coding is old and obsolete, and many new codes are based on old codes!

Also, the strange thing is that this hypermotion technology was designed for a simulator gameplay along with responsive animations, but after a while, the development team complained about the slow and realistic animations of FIFA 22 "Ultimate Sector Gamers". that the animations are slow and unresponsive, and the development team gradually came with updates and designed the foot-to-ball animations section in a competitive way (feedback priority for the development team is the gamers of the ultimate section, especially the casual section) I like this mod) and the point is that the production team saw that the animations were designed from a realistic basis in order to make their work easier and to design highly responsive animations. Slipping or skating problems appeared in FIFA and many To speed up the response time of the animations, this story continued in FIFA 23.

Hypermotion is exactly like a gasoline engine that is mounted on the body of an old and worn-out car, and you have to consider what will happen to the designed car and in which direction the output will be drawn.

Foot planting - foot to ball animations - designing animations in sports games

If you haven't read the story about "foot planting - foot to ball animations - designing animations in sports games", you can read it in this link if you like.
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And when stop skating like that (4:37)?
 
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Jowson said:
So are you suggesting that because it's a video game it can't be realistic?

It's so annoying when people like you make out we are insecure for just wanting some sanity.

People want immersion with the biggest sport in the world, it's not alot to ask.
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To be fair, as much as I'm frustrated from a gameplay standpoint (i.e. women players having exaggerated attributes so that they can be interchanged with the men with no discernible difference)...

...I get it, and I don't really blame them.

I can't say I care about anything Ultimate Team is, or does. If EA were honest enough to say it's a card-collecting mode aimed at kids, I'd say great, female representation and role models are fucking important, so go for it.

FUT is a toy, and we wouldn't rant that a toy Jeep's wheels were the wrong size. Who cares.

The problem is, it's not SUPPOSED to be for kids. It has microtransactions and gambling elements. So let's be honest, while EA will say it's uplifting, I would argue it's morally bankrupt.

EA will never admit that FUT is aimed at kids - so why treat us like kids? But, fine. It's FUT. Who cares.

To design the whole game with this damn ethos though (playable/appealing to children above all) - and most frustratingly of all, make players in all positions the same anyway, regardless of their attributes (i.e. I can consistently run box-to-box and score with any player, perform incredible tackles with any player etc. no matter their ability)...

That's where we are. The line between "accessibility" and "zero thought or input required, zero sense of accomplishment" was erased years ago.
 
Just think if EA had a different focus, on gameplay and immersion instead of what we got yesterday’s event could’ve be a showcase of incredible technology. I mean, just think what Career Mode could be now. Sigh. And I know some people don’t care about presentation and non-gameplay immersion, but just think how they could make the matches feel so alive and in tune with how your career is going. Like proper features, not gimmicks you would get sick of and skip.
 
asking for realism in fut is a lost battle. like ea just released a Peter Cech striker card and he has 99 shooting and dribblings stats and is now one of the best strikers in that mode. wont be long until there a spiderman and ironman card and such.

thankfully other modes have realistic squads
 
What I don't understand is, why the screenshots on the official website shows us a much better graphic quality than the ones from the trailer?
So which pictures shows us the truth?
 
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