Chelsea Thread
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bebo
Looking for a Manager
What language is Hazard speaking? Plz tell me it`s not french!
bebo
Looking for a Manager
So his native tongue is French? I assume his 2nd language is Dutch ?
Probably English
dplane
Big Kahuna Burger
Flemish and Dutch are pretty much identical. In a way is more of a dialect of Dutch and funny enough in some ways more grammatically proper than Dutch itself.
dplane
Big Kahuna Burger
Don't forget Belgium and the Netherlands were the same country for the longest time albeit mostly divided into the protestant north and catholic south, which included the southern provinces of present day Netherlands along w Flanders. Don't know if Flemish really is considered a language. My understanding always was that the official languages of Belgium are Dutch and French, w a small portion near the German border speaking German. Perhaps our resident Belgian, Gerd, can clarify.
gerd
Retired Footballer
Officially Dutch and Flemish are one and the same language: Nederlands. You have North Nederlands (Dutch) and South Nederlands (Flemish).
When written both languages are almost identical (in fact they are, but bot languages have different expressions). When spoken the differences are quite big, up to a certain point that Dutch people don't understand Flemish people and vice versa.
Often Dutch people are more creative with language while Flemish people tend bo grammatically more correct...being Flemish i sometimes have the impression that we struggle with our own language...
Hazard's first language is French, i doubt if he speaks any Nederlands (Nederlands: officially translated is Dutch, but that is confusing).
Dplane: hats off, you know a lot about the low countries...respect.
PS: why is it so important which language Hazard speaks ???
When written both languages are almost identical (in fact they are, but bot languages have different expressions). When spoken the differences are quite big, up to a certain point that Dutch people don't understand Flemish people and vice versa.
Often Dutch people are more creative with language while Flemish people tend bo grammatically more correct...being Flemish i sometimes have the impression that we struggle with our own language...
Hazard's first language is French, i doubt if he speaks any Nederlands (Nederlands: officially translated is Dutch, but that is confusing).
Dplane: hats off, you know a lot about the low countries...respect.
PS: why is it so important which language Hazard speaks ???
- 7 May 2012
West Ham 3 Chelsea 1
Chelsea 0 QPR 1
Chelsea 0 Swansea 2
Chelsea 2 Southampton 2
Brentford 2 Chelsea 2
The man has to go. End of story. Midtable La Liga is his level.
Chelsea 0 QPR 1
Chelsea 0 Swansea 2
Chelsea 2 Southampton 2
Brentford 2 Chelsea 2
The man has to go. End of story. Midtable La Liga is his level.
dplane
Big Kahuna Burger
I don't like to prematurely jump on bandwagons but the man sure is full of himself: http://m.espn.go.com/soccer/story?storyId=1315086
- 7 May 2012
He is and its unjustified.
Even the finals he won were on penalties after 3-3 draws.
I just dont understand the legendary status he has with some football supporter. He is a good not great manager - and now getting found out big time at Chelsea.
Even the finals he won were on penalties after 3-3 draws.
I just dont understand the legendary status he has with some football supporter. He is a good not great manager - and now getting found out big time at Chelsea.
Kanouté
#NewEra
- 26 April 2008
I don't even know who you are, Benni (or who you were) but this may be the most nonsense line I've ever read on this forum. You don't really need to blurt out everything on your mind.
- 7 May 2012
So Rafa didn't need draw both finals 3-3 then?
Must have watched different games.
And of course you don't know me - this is the internet.
Must have watched different games.
And of course you don't know me - this is the internet.
- 7 May 2012
My point is that his luck ran out and since then he was found out Liverpool hence his sacking, then was found out at Inter and now Chelsea!
Which one? ;p
Against Bayern? The final was yes, but there is no doubting the quality of that team and some of the performances along the way.
Against Chelsea United were the best team in Europe that season. Thoroughly 'deserved' even if it went to pens.
Winning the CL is never all about luck, but it does come into it - hell I'd say Chelsea last season had far more luck than LFC did in winning it in 2005.
PIPA23
retired :)
- 21 June 2007
luck doesn´t exist..you win becouse you deserve it, you lose becouse you deserve it..
sometimes the referee fucks up games, for example England world cup unallowed goal etc.. this is not about luck, it´s about making incredible mistakes..
Benni don´t hate so much...
sometimes the referee fucks up games, for example England world cup unallowed goal etc.. this is not about luck, it´s about making incredible mistakes..
Benni don´t hate so much...
Exactly.. I agree with everything. However our fake Italian friend disagrees.
dplane
Big Kahuna Burger
Pretty embarrassing chanting going on from the Chelsea fans against their coach. Can't say he helped himself by saying he deserved a contract and the results may not be satisfying but that doesn't warrant this kind of verbal abuse imho. Warning, the video contains profanity so do not watch around the kids or at your office:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?feature=player_embedded&v=gGNfvAtX-0s
http://www.youtube.com/watch?feature=player_embedded&v=gGNfvAtX-0s
gerd
Retired Footballer
I'm not sure i agree with Benni on Raffa, but you got to say that after Liverpool he wasn't the most succesfull manager, and after Valencia, his teams weren't the most exciting to watch (apart from that one season where Liverpool finished second). One could even argue that Valencia played beautiful football under Cuper and so Raffa merely build a litle bit further upon the foundatiuons laid down by Cuper. Am i 100% sure of what i'm writing here ? Not at all...
I'm merely pointing out that Benni isn't the only one who has his doubts about Benitez. I wonder if people would react if somebody other than Benni would doubt Benitez current abilities.
And to be honest, i don't see any hate in Benni's posts. The problem is that the regulars know each other and their likes and dislikes. I don't like Ferguson and love Henderson, Beach don't likes Chelsea and Manchester City, lo zio loves Zeman and thinks that English teams are tactically naïve, Pipa loves everything that is Liverpool.
What i'm trying to say is that you can judge opinions (a litle bit) but not people. I don't see anything remotely wrong with what Benni is writing on this forum. I can understand that people don't like him (while i really like him for some reason), but this is all subjective chemistry...it's a litle bit thin to condemn people... Can we try to appreciate everybody on this forum ? Yes we can...
I'm merely pointing out that Benni isn't the only one who has his doubts about Benitez. I wonder if people would react if somebody other than Benni would doubt Benitez current abilities.
And to be honest, i don't see any hate in Benni's posts. The problem is that the regulars know each other and their likes and dislikes. I don't like Ferguson and love Henderson, Beach don't likes Chelsea and Manchester City, lo zio loves Zeman and thinks that English teams are tactically naïve, Pipa loves everything that is Liverpool.
What i'm trying to say is that you can judge opinions (a litle bit) but not people. I don't see anything remotely wrong with what Benni is writing on this forum. I can understand that people don't like him (while i really like him for some reason), but this is all subjective chemistry...it's a litle bit thin to condemn people... Can we try to appreciate everybody on this forum ? Yes we can...
BobbyBox
WING NUT!
- 10 October 2003
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He keeps repeating himself, I think that is what annoys everybody. He has a point and then he just keeps saying the same thing again and again and again. We all know his opinion but he wants to force it on everybody else and wants everybody else to agree with him.
Saying that I don't mind him anymore
Saying that I don't mind him anymore
- 7 May 2012
Gomito, you cant compare Benitez to Ferguson because the Man utd manager has proved he's not lucky with countless FA Cups, League Cups, League titles.
Benitez has never won the league in England. His CL win was lucky. His FA Cup win could be deemed as lucky as well.
Now he getting found out - he has a hugely talented squad of players but still cant beat QPR and SOuthampton at home or Brentford from England's THIRD DIVISION!!!!
If he was a world class manager, which some of you believe - this wouldnt happen.
PS. Gerd I always enjoy your thoughtful, knowledgable input. Thanks.
PPS. Bobby I heart you x
Benitez has never won the league in England. His CL win was lucky. His FA Cup win could be deemed as lucky as well.
Now he getting found out - he has a hugely talented squad of players but still cant beat QPR and SOuthampton at home or Brentford from England's THIRD DIVISION!!!!
If he was a world class manager, which some of you believe - this wouldnt happen.
PS. Gerd I always enjoy your thoughtful, knowledgable input. Thanks.
PPS. Bobby I heart you x
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cfdh_edmundo
Maverick
- 30 December 2002
He's not a world class manager, but there are very few of them. In my opinion he's a fairly good manager who could get a team like Chelsea to finish in the top three on a regular basis and also give them a reasonable chance of making the CL semi finals or quarter finals. There are a number of other managers who could probably do this (maybe Mancini, maybe Cappello) as this is the minimum you would expect of a squad like Chelsea. With a better manager they would probably have a better chance of winning big trophies, but there are very few stand out candidates for them, maybe Mourinho, maybe Hiddink. Even then, there are problems with the set up at Chelsea (with people like Gourlay and Buck insisting on playing players like Torres and adhearing to a nonsensical idea that players over 30 (Lampard, Drogba etc) should leave) and no other top 3/4 team in England has to deal with these sort of issues. Its worth noting that other reasonably high profile managers have struggled at Chelsea (Villas Boas and Scolari had some very poor results there too). You go on and on about Benitez not being a top class manager, but you always aviod suggesting a credible alternative to him. For whatever reasons they got rid of Di Matteo a few months ago and at the time there were not that many alternative candidates with Benitez's experience.
You say that his CL win was lucky, but you could put that charge at a lot of teams who narrowly won the CL / European Cup. Were Milan lucky in 2003? Were Man Utd lucky in 1999 and 2008? What about Barca against Chelsea in 2009 (semi final)? Or Chelsea last year? In the end any team that gets to final almost always has to be several great teams in the process - so I think it've very disingenuous to write off all Benitez's European achievments (getting to several finals and winning some of them with both Valencia and Liverpool) as simply "luck" of a one off game in a final. In 2005 his Liverpool team played Juventus, Chelsea and Milan and saw off all of those teams all were faily high profile teams - the year before Chelsea had been in the semis and two years earlier Milan and Juve were the finalists. In 2007 they got to the final again and beat Barca and Chelsea (again) as well as a fairly good PSV team (who had knocked out Arsenal and two years earlier had only gone out on away goals to Milan in the semi final. I don't think you can have a situation where beating all these teams is just down to "luck".
You say that his CL win was lucky, but you could put that charge at a lot of teams who narrowly won the CL / European Cup. Were Milan lucky in 2003? Were Man Utd lucky in 1999 and 2008? What about Barca against Chelsea in 2009 (semi final)? Or Chelsea last year? In the end any team that gets to final almost always has to be several great teams in the process - so I think it've very disingenuous to write off all Benitez's European achievments (getting to several finals and winning some of them with both Valencia and Liverpool) as simply "luck" of a one off game in a final. In 2005 his Liverpool team played Juventus, Chelsea and Milan and saw off all of those teams all were faily high profile teams - the year before Chelsea had been in the semis and two years earlier Milan and Juve were the finalists. In 2007 they got to the final again and beat Barca and Chelsea (again) as well as a fairly good PSV team (who had knocked out Arsenal and two years earlier had only gone out on away goals to Milan in the semi final. I don't think you can have a situation where beating all these teams is just down to "luck".
gerd
Retired Footballer
My point of view is something between Benni and Edmundo.
To know the real value of teams, a league is ideal.
The factor luck is much more important in cups.
Let's talk about Chelsea's CL win last season. On the one hand going past teams like Napoli, Benfica, Barcelona and Bayern Munchen (in Muchen) can't be due to luck alone. Surely Chelsea must have done quite a few things the right way... On the other hand, can anybody seriously claim that Chelsea was Europe's best team last season ? Surely not.
Same goes for Raffa's CL win with Liverpool. That team wasn't a real top team in England, yet they won the CL. Surely they must have done quite a few things the right way. But that team was far from the best team in Europe.
Is Raffa a good or a bad coach ? Who am to judge him ? After all we don't hear his instructions. What i do think is that the influence of coaches/managers is vastly overrated. Would Ferguson have good results with Blackpool and who knows if Owen Coyle would't have won more silverware than Ferguson with Man Utd ? And would that make him a better manager ? I'm not sure...
I certainly don't agree with Edmundo's assessment of the Chelsea squad. It seems as if this club is extremely badly run form a point of view of players acquisitions. Hold on ? Didn't they just won the CL ? And wasn't everybody complaining about the boring style of football the yused to win that CL ? And now the power that is wants some champagne football and has invested zillions in Hazard, Oscar to play more attractive football... And you talk about a nonsensical policy to let players over 30 go. Isn't that what Arsène Wenger has been doing for ages (remember Viera and Henry, two club icons) and isn't Arsenal general acknowledged as a "proper run" club ?
I know one thing about Chelsea and the players they have: i've seem quite a lot of matches of that team this year (with a teenage daughter who loves Chelsea) and most of them i enjoyed watching even if the results weren't always as expected. Chelsea usually are a very entertaining team...also under Benitez (cfr; the match against Stoke for example).
To know the real value of teams, a league is ideal.
The factor luck is much more important in cups.
Let's talk about Chelsea's CL win last season. On the one hand going past teams like Napoli, Benfica, Barcelona and Bayern Munchen (in Muchen) can't be due to luck alone. Surely Chelsea must have done quite a few things the right way... On the other hand, can anybody seriously claim that Chelsea was Europe's best team last season ? Surely not.
Same goes for Raffa's CL win with Liverpool. That team wasn't a real top team in England, yet they won the CL. Surely they must have done quite a few things the right way. But that team was far from the best team in Europe.
Is Raffa a good or a bad coach ? Who am to judge him ? After all we don't hear his instructions. What i do think is that the influence of coaches/managers is vastly overrated. Would Ferguson have good results with Blackpool and who knows if Owen Coyle would't have won more silverware than Ferguson with Man Utd ? And would that make him a better manager ? I'm not sure...
I certainly don't agree with Edmundo's assessment of the Chelsea squad. It seems as if this club is extremely badly run form a point of view of players acquisitions. Hold on ? Didn't they just won the CL ? And wasn't everybody complaining about the boring style of football the yused to win that CL ? And now the power that is wants some champagne football and has invested zillions in Hazard, Oscar to play more attractive football... And you talk about a nonsensical policy to let players over 30 go. Isn't that what Arsène Wenger has been doing for ages (remember Viera and Henry, two club icons) and isn't Arsenal general acknowledged as a "proper run" club ?
I know one thing about Chelsea and the players they have: i've seem quite a lot of matches of that team this year (with a teenage daughter who loves Chelsea) and most of them i enjoyed watching even if the results weren't always as expected. Chelsea usually are a very entertaining team...also under Benitez (cfr; the match against Stoke for example).
bebo
Looking for a Manager
I think the boat left and the point is missing here. We know a young team needs time to adapt .Mutd might have the oldest team (not age wise you silly duck) Chelsea will always have a young team in terms of management (gaffers) their squad last year was of a mature squad they knew each other and depended on each other. Seeing boss leave after bosses made them stronger. Rafa has enter and can only command w/ 1 leg in and 1 leg out. Terry has more power than any boss, I believe he orchestrated part of this mess in terms of sacking. Not Matteo that was his pet gaffa lol
We laugh about Terry sitting on the bench yelling commands just imagine in training . Rafa needs to make mates with Terry before Roman. Rafa won La Liga in '04 same as Wenger did in PL. Rafa is a top boss no doubt!
Arsenal has the same problem w/ young squad and old boss. In the end balance in require
Barça must have the most balance squad/boss around .
We laugh about Terry sitting on the bench yelling commands just imagine in training . Rafa needs to make mates with Terry before Roman. Rafa won La Liga in '04 same as Wenger did in PL. Rafa is a top boss no doubt!
Arsenal has the same problem w/ young squad and old boss. In the end balance in require
Barça must have the most balance squad/boss around .
gerd
Retired Footballer
He is a very good player....