tiktiktiktik said:
It was 60% Ben
your wage point is a good one mate, but u can't make calculations assuming that carrol will become a top class forward
AND will remain on this wage, as it's gonna be either one or the other. either carrol won't become a top class striker, in wich case he may aswell remain on this current wage....... or he will become a top class striker, in wich case his agent is gonna ask for a renegotiation of the deal well before the expire date on his contract, and his wage will get much closer to torres one. and, since the guy is already 22 (it's not like we're really talking about a proper youngster),
if your hopes and expectations will be met, that renegotiation will most likely take place in 2 seasons (tops).
so, even if the wage is indeed a factor, it's not such a huge factor as your calculations imply
but the main point is not even this one. what makes the carrol deal an awful one (from a financial point of view), is the undenyable fact that u already payed top class money for a guy who isn't top class yet. and i wouldn't even call this a "gamble". because a gamble, by definition, implies a chance to make a profit out of a deal.
let's imagine u would have bought carrol for 17 millions pounds. that would still be an overpriced valutation of carrol, as we're still talking about a 22 years old player with very little top league experience (even for a 22yo player)..... but then u might say "
yes, but i want my young cf to be british and i believe this guy might be worth 35 millions in a few years". then ok, such deal would make perfect sense; u're overpaying your "product", but u expect that product to be worth even more than what your paying in a few years. that is a gamble
but this case is different. what u're paying now is already enough to get an actual top class player. sure an actual top class player would demand a higher wage than carrol..... but like i said before, as soon as carrol will establish himself as a better cf (assuming he will) , he will ask for a renegotiation. on the other side getting a top class player would mean facing a very smaller risk in terms of investment (u don't need to develop the player, u don't need to hope he becomes great, u just have to hope he will deliver accordingly to his actual skill).
bottom line there's no chance this is going to turn out as a profitable deal, even in the best possible scenario... even if carrol would turn out to be a top class striker... as u're already paying "top class striker worthy money". so since there's no expectation of a possible profit, this simply ceases to be a gamble and become... well, plain stupid.
from every point of view both theese deals (the torres one and the carrol one) are absolutely insane.
chelsea is paying for torres a lot more than what other clubs payed to get even better players (like inter with eto'o or milan with ibra or barça with villa).
and liverpool spent a fortune for a 22 years old player (like i said, not that young) with only 23 appearances as a starter in premier league. that's less than a season of experience in a top league... for a guy who is already 22.... and u payed the equivalent of 41 millions euros for this guy!!!
and talking about "net spending" is really nothing but a lame excuse. the fact that u got a ridiculously high ammount of money for torres doesn't make it less stupid to waste such a crazy ammount of money on a single player. it still remain a shame to burn all that cash on an unproven player, while u could have spent those money so much better.
i mean, it's not like liverpool doesn't have serious issues to address: u have desperate need of 2 good sidebacks (or at least one, assuming u consider glen johnson a good sideback), u could use some proper wingers and your midfield cries out for quality (the best passer in your centre midfield is meireles and that really says it all).
those money would have been enough to provide for all those needs (with a proper team director who knows what kind of players there are out there and for wich sum u can get em). napoli spent the equivalent of 14 millions pounds for cavani, inter spent the equivalent of 15 millions pounds for pazzini, dzeko was signed for 27 millions.... all young players, all with more experience than carroll, all players with not only better actual quality than carroll, but arguably also better potential than carroll aswell.
u might say, yeah, but carrol is english and needs no adaptations... but is this worth 20 million pounds more? besides this guy, despite being english, doesn't really give u more guarrantees than a foreigner, as (like i said) he has less than a season as a starter in premier league under his belt, so we might well say carroll too is not "premier league proven".
benzema is most likely gonna be on the market this summer for a lot less than what u spent for carrol... and the same goes for llorente and pavlyuchenko and god knows how many other players.
there are plenty of relatively unknown players with "liverpool worthy quality" out there that would be available for less than half of what u spent on carroll and suarez.
just to make a practical example, there are 2 sidebacks in palermo (a leftback and a rightback) wich are among the very best in europe... both are much better than johnson offensively and
biblically better than johnson defensively.... the kind of players that could change the shape of a top club just by themselves, and they could both be available for less than what u spent for suarez (nevermind those 35 millions u spent on carroll).... i obviously thank God that no one has come to our door yet to make an offer for them, but still that gives u a measure of what u could have done with those money.
pastore, who is arguably the hottest prospect on the planet right now, is going to leave this summer for pretty much the same money u spent on suarez (i'd say that really puts things in the right perspective).
and that just to stick to my own club. i could spend an entire day mentioning better prospects than carrol, in the most different roles, who have already have more experience, more quality and better potential than carroll..... and who would cost about half of what carroll costed.
anyway i really don't wanna sound a dick here. it's just that i'm amazed at the sheer incompetence both liverpool and chelsea showed this jannuary (and i would say the same if my club would have done what chelsea and liverpool did)... but then again this is just my personal opinion. and i sincerely hope that torres will hit the ground running from now on and that carroll will become the next toni... trust me i'm 100% sincere on that
But theirs absolutely NO WAY Chelsea would get half of the money back, I predict that once these FFP rules come in we'll see the market calm down and prices becoming more "normal" and one of the reason we've held of spending.
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