Chelsea FC thread (Champions!)

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Revan said:
Rune you say that the Gerrard bid that sulph is talking about is just speculation, but the same can be said about sheva and such.

The only star player that I see that mourinho would want is Adriano. Mourinho said that he was to become the best in the world.

T think you are just afraid what chelsea would do if they got one of those world class players. I mean with the current team, wich has problems, they managed to dominate the EPL (11points? or 9?)

And like sulph said Roman has it's limits, cause chelsea is not roman's personal toy, he bought it to make money. And it's already been announced a few months ago that they plan to cover for all their expense till 2010.

If you all really think that players won't sign for chelsea, because "it's chelsea" and not ManUtd, RM, Milan etc. then I can only say "wake up". If a player has a big wage, as sucess at his current club, plays in an already very competitive league, why change? And don't forget the family fact.
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Thank you! Finally someone understands, it was like trying to force large ball into a small hole while trying to explain it to RuneEdge.

RuneEdge said:
Are you trying to say that Adriano, Joaquin, Robinho, Torres and Essien are playing at such big clubs that they wouldnt consider a move to Chelsea?
Chelsea is much bigger club than the ones that the above players play for with maybe the exception of Inter and arguably Lyon who arent really major force like Chelsea.
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The players you listed would not only not come to Chelsea but not any other club, thats what me and Revan are trying to say. They would not come to Man U, they are not coming because its "Chelsea" they are not coming because 1) Clubs don't want them to leave
2) Theyre happy
3) Theyre loved
4) They are paid well

etc. etc.
 
Coming to London in september, and i'd like to take a stadium tour.Since i surely can't get any match tickets that's the best option i think.is it worth it, can you tell me? :D
 
Sulph said:
Thank you! Finally someone understands, it was like trying to force large ball into a small hole while trying to explain it to RuneEdge.
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What he said is BS too. Chelsea has limits?!?!? And Roman bought Chelsea to make money?!?!?
Oh right, maybe that explains why he spent £800MILLION!!! in 2 years.


Sulph said:
The players you listed would not only not come to Chelsea but not any other club, thats what me and Revan are trying to say. They would not come to Man U, they are not coming because its "Chelsea" they are not coming because 1) Clubs don't want them to leave
2) Theyre happy
3) Theyre loved
4) They are paid well

etc. etc.
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Is that why Joaquin and Robinho wanted to move to Real Madrid and Essien wanted a move to Man Utd?
The only reason why those players havent moved is because the the buyers cant afford them right now. But when Chelsea come along with their money, its the players that are snubbing them.
Chelsea would have had Joaquin and Robinho if they hadnt said they'd rather play for Real Madrid. And the same can be said about Adriano and now Essien who recently decided to stay.

Face it, no one likes Chelsea anymore. They're a poorly run business with no security for their players which is why they arent as attractive as they expect to be. How come in Roman's first season they bought so many players but now they cant? Its cuz players arent stupid enough to follow guys like Parker or the countless players they throw away on loan after a bad season.
Chelsea football club are a sinking ship who are destined to drown once Roman realises how stupid he was to invest so much money and get shit all out of it. And I think the sinking has already started now that players are refusing to join you.
 
RuneEdge said:
What he said is BS too. Chelsea has limits?!?!? And Roman bought Chelsea to make money?!?!?
Oh right, maybe that explains why he spent £800MILLION!!! in 2 years.
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Jesus fucking Christ! How stupid can people be? EVERYONE HAS A LIMITS.


RuneEdge said:
Is that why Joaquin and Robinho wanted to move to Real Madrid and Essien wanted a move to Man Utd?
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As you said, all speculation. There you go contradicting yourself again.

RuneEdge said:
The only reason why those players havent moved is because the the buyers cant afford them right now. But when Chelsea come along with their money, its the players that are snubbing them.
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The buyers cannot afford him because the clubs are charging ridiculous fees, which basically means they are not for sale. Haven't you ever played Football Manager before, and do not want to sell a player so you just put a ridiculour price tag on them? Thats what people do in real life too man. Think about it. Think, as i said before. ALso, about Joaqin and Robinho, the reason they would rather join Real, is for their great History, which Chelsea do not have, im sad to say, its not because they think that the same thing will happen to them as the ones that failed at our club.

RuneEdge said:
Face it, no one likes Chelsea anymore.
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And by no one you mean the jealous fans of other clubs, like yourself, who can't win a thing.
Yeah and also thats why Jon Obi Mikel said "I love Chelsea".

RuneEdge said:
They're a poorly run business with no security for their players which is why they arent as attractive as they expect to be.
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There is a fine line between a football club and a business, Chelsea want to win, ManUnited want to market, this is why you see Chelsea winning the CC, Premiership, and coming into the UEFACL Semis 2 years in a row, and ManUtd, winning the FACUP as their only trophy in years.

RuneEdge said:
How come in Roman's first season they bought so many players but now they cant? Its cuz players arent stupid enough to follow guys like Parker or the countless players they throw away on loan after a bad season.
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Its because the players we first signed were not that settled at their clubs, or performing not so well. Now that we have grown, we want PROVEN players that are doing extremeley well, in other words STARS. Before we signed players like Johnson, Bridge, Makelele, Veron, Mutu, Crespo, Duff. These players were all pretty good when they were signed but were nothing compared to the ones we have made bids for recently. How much clearer can i make it to you, its like explaining maths to a monkey.


RuneEdge said:
Chelsea football club are a sinking ship who are destined to drown once Roman realises how stupid he was to invest so much money and get shit all out of it. And I think the sinking has already started now that players are refusing to join you.
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Firstly, we shall see how far CFC sinks, I guarantee you that Chelsea will have a better season that MUFC this season. And once again, that MUFC will go down, signing players for money through marketing instead of instant success. Secondly, how was he stupid, not only did he put himself on the map, and is a 38 year old billionaire, i would call you the stupid one to say something like that. Thirdly, it was not the players that refused to join, it was the clubs with their ridiculour price tags, and these same players would turn down MUFC, and why aren't they a sinking ship? Oh right, theyve already pretty much sunk.
 
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RuneEdge said:
What he said is BS too. Chelsea has limits?!?!? And Roman bought Chelsea to make money?!?!?
Oh right, maybe that explains why he spent £800MILLION!!! in 2 years.
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Everyone has limits. Glazer bought Man for fun? He bought it also to make money. Simply roman is able to spend more.

I fail to see chelsea being a sinking ship.
It's not like terry, lampard, drogba, etc etc... are 33 years old. They will still play high level football for years, and few more. And the way they are getting new kids every year.

To be an historic team chelsea need to win alot in the next ten years. They may not win everything but i'm sure they will alot, and in the next 3 years I wouldn't be surprised of a CL win, wich means big money.

RuneEdge I don't want to insult you, but what have been saying simply has no logic. :|

Peace! :)
 
Sulph said:
Jesus fucking Christ! How stupid can people be? EVERYONE HAS A LIMITS.
So when exactly does Roman reach his spending limit? No one is dumb enough to spend £800million in two years and get hardly anything return. Obviously everything has a limit but you're too stupid to realise that I'm only slightly exaggerating my comment when I say theres no limit to his spending.

As you said, all speculation. There you go contradicting yourself again.
How the hell am I contradicting myself? You just seem to throw that line in every few mintutes without me even contradicting myself. Do you even know what "contradicting" means?

The buyers cannot afford him because the clubs are charging ridiculous fees, which basically means they are not for sale. Haven't you ever played Football Manager before, and do not want to sell a player so you just put a ridiculour price tag on them? Thats what people do in real life too man. Think about it. Think, as i said before. ALso, about Joaqin and Robinho, the reason they would rather join Real, is for their great History, which Chelsea do not have, im sad to say, its not because they think that the same thing will happen to them as the ones that failed at our club.
First of all, step out of your Football Manager world and step into reality. Secondly, the teams are not charging ridiculous fees for their players. Its the players turning the move down. For example Lyon simply said that they want atleast £20million for Essien which in many people's opinion is a fair price for him. But in the end, Lyon said that they'll leave it to Essien to decide whether he wants to sign a new contract or go elsewhere and he decided to snub Chelsea.
And as for Robinho and Joaquin, maybe you're right that they want Real Madrid because their history but the fact still remains that they snubbed Chelsea no matter what the excuses are.

And by no one you mean the jealous fans of other clubs, like yourself, who can't win a thing.
Yeah and also thats why Jon Obi Mikel said "I love Chelsea".
Why would I be jealous of anything? You didnt see me having an arguement with any Arsenal fan when they won the title. What pissing me off and a lot of other fans are the actions of Chelsea and the way they go about doing business from tapping up players to spending ridiculous money and unsettling players and staff of other clubs. And I just think it serves them right that players are snubbing them.
And dont even mention John Obi Mikel cuz its just another arguement that you're gonna lose.

There is a fine line between a football club and a business, Chelsea want to win, ManUnited want to market, this is why you see Chelsea winning the CC, Premiership, and coming into the UEFACL Semis 2 years in a row, and ManUtd, winning the FACUP as their only trophy in years.
If you dont think Roman spending £800million has anything to do with (bad) business, then you're just the thickest person I've every communicated with. Chelsea claim they'll make all their money back by 2010. How the fuck are you supposed to do that without business?
Man Utd falling short has nothing to do with business or money but of course you wouldnt know, your a Chelsea fan. Man Utd didnt do well because they werent good enough on the pitch.

Its because the players we first signed were not that settled at their clubs, or performing not so well. Now that we have grown, we want PROVEN players that are doing extremeley well, in other words STARS. Before we signed players like Johnson, Bridge, Makelele, Veron, Mutu, Crespo, Duff. These players were all pretty good when they were signed but were nothing compared to the ones we have made bids for recently. How much clearer can i make it to you, its like explaining maths to a monkey.
First of all, its not that hard to teach maths to a monkey.
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All I read there was a load of BS. So now you're looking for excuses as to why your team from last season hadnt settled? And wouldnt you consider Veron, Crespo, Mutu, Duff, etc as stars?!?!? You high or something? Signing someone like Duff last season was just as big of a signing as Robben this season. But for some dumb reason, the new signings are STARS but Veron, Crespo and Duff arent?

Firstly, we shall see how far CFC sinks, I guarantee you that Chelsea will have a better season that MUFC this season.
Just another arrogant comment from an arrogant fan of an arrogant team.

And once again, that MUFC will go down, signing players for money through marketing instead of instant success.
So what? It makes us money so whats the problem?

Secondly, how was he stupid, not only did he put himself on the map, and is a 38 year old billionaire, i would call you the stupid one to say something like that.
Roman was a billionaire BEFORE joining Chelsea, not after, so that comment is irrelavant. And if you watched that documentry on Roman which was shown on BBC2, Roman said that his interest in Chelsea is purely to show off his money and has no serious intention to make much money back.
If he was looking to make money, he'd go somewhere else cuz he already has (controversial) ways of making money. And how can you not call spending £800million as stupid? I think you're the stupid one if you think thats normal. He might as well have thrown that money into the sea.

Thirdly, it was not the players that refused to join, it was the clubs with their ridiculour price tags, and these same players would turn down MUFC, and why aren't they a sinking ship? Oh right, theyve already pretty much sunk.
How the hell have we sunk? We still make more money that you and are still the richest club in the world. If you call that "sunk" then Chelsea are probably tasting the shit at the bottom of the ocean.
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I think we should leave it there cuz you're wasting my time. Stop being so arrogant. I know you're a Chelsea fan but face defeat for once.
 
I dont think players are turning Chelsea down specifically. I think Sulph is right - its the teams that are stopping them - the teams are takeing advantage over Chelsea's money so are charging ridiculous prices - example is Drogba and now Essien with a crazy 20m price when hes worth no more than 10m. He would easily join Chelsea if it wasnt for that.
 
Milanista said:
I dont think players are turning Chelsea down specifically. I think Sulph is right - its the teams that are stopping them - the teams are takeing advantage over Chelsea's money so are charging ridiculous prices - example is Drogba and now Essien with a crazy 20m price when hes worth no more than 10m. He would easily join Chelsea if it wasnt for that.
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But it wasnt Lyon who turned them down. Essien just signed a new contract.
 
But it wasnt the price tag that drove Chelsea away. If Essien wanted to move he would have.
Before Rooney joined Man Utd, Everton said they'd only sell him for £50million but the more Rooney wanted the move, the more the price dropped cuz at the end of the day, they didnt want an unsettled player. And in the end, the price dropped by £20million.

If Essien really wanted to move, theres nothing Lyon could have done. But Essien signed a new contract to reasure Lyon that he wants to stay.
 
Teams do take advantage of chelsea money.

Let's look at these 2 Porto-Chelsea transfer. (€)
R carvalho, no doubt a fantastic defender, but 30M? 20 would be fair.
Ferreira, a good RB, that is neither a show off, meaning it doens't make awesome matches, but also doesn't screw up, for 20M, 15 would be more adequate.

And Milanista also made a point with drobga.

One might say that a player might refuse chelsea because they want to represent another club for historical reasons, either for being a lonftime fan of that club.

One example is Deco, chose barça over chelsea becausa he had a longtime dream of playing for that club. He told that P.Costa(president of porto) gave him the right to choose because of the great years he spent at porto. and chelsea gave more than barça, aorund 30M.

Another thing...
Porto although not being a rich club, AZalkmar is taking advantage of Porto success in the last few years, porto made alot of money in the last 2 years, around 150M total. So the deal is that AZ wants 10M for kromkamp, but porto is not going for more than 6. You see, if porto didn't won the CL and made all that money, AZ would have settled for a lower price along time ago. It's all business. Everyone want's more money. AZ would be dumb if they dind't do that.
 
Like you just said, MAYBE.
Maybe they have, maybe they havent. We dont know.
 
Thanks Milanista and Revan, RuneEdge can't admit hes wrong. Nevermind no point trying to teach someone who does not want to learn. Glad to see you two understand what im saying, its good to know people wiht IQs above 80 are still here.
 
They just offered an opinion.
And no one has proved me wrong yet. But I HAVE proved you wrong.
 
Runeedge, you need to just chill out!!

Seriously man, you are getting so worked up and at the end of the day it is just football transfers!!

So what chelsea can't sem to buy who they want, but how many players have they actually put in an OFFICIAL bid for? no1 actually knows. so whatever,
just chill man like bob dillin on penicillin!! woo!
 
Ha ha, Chelsea made a profit on Kezman. Perhaps Atletico Madrid are the stupid ones. Bought for £5 million - sold for £5.3 :lol: They also made a profit on Forssell: Free - sold for £3million
 
All I'm saying is that Chelsea are having a tought time buying players and this is a fact cuz they've been strongly linked with so many players yet none of them signed.
Why can't Sulph admit something as simple as that?
Cant he take it that they're being unsuccessful in the transfer market?
I know Chelsea fans are being spoilt with all that instant success but jeez, calm down and accept a defeat for once.
 
Its the media RuneEdge, most of the links are false and just speculation, its nothing about landing players man. If any other club were linked with the players Chelsea were linked with the same thing would happen.
 
RuneEdge said:
Its the players turning the move down. For example Lyon simply said that they want atleast £20million for Essien which in many people's opinion is a fair price for him. But in the end, Lyon said that they'll leave it to Essien to decide whether he wants to sign a new contract or go elsewhere and he decided to snub Chelsea.
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Its not the players turning the move down! Please stop making things up! Essien is not worth £20million, that is not a fair price for him, and I cant find many that agree. They never said they will let Essien decide, please please please change your source, it apparently seems to be www.makebullshitup.com

£26million not enough for Essien - soccernet

Lyon president Jean-Michel Aulas has insisted that Chelsea's reported £26million bid for Ghanaian international midfielder Michael Essien is not enough.

Essien, 22, is one of the most coveted players in Europe with Chelsea and Manchester United among the clubs linked with him.

L'Equipe maintain that the London club have already lodged a £26million bid for the African.

However, that is not enough for Aulas who told the paper: 'Even at £26million I will not sell Michael Essien. The offer will have to be considerably higher.'

EVIDENCE that Essien did not turn down the move and it was just the club that wants more money, Houllier is not going to let him go for cheap. Now please stop making things up just to prove you are right!
 
I think youve both got a point. Some players, maybe the most expensive of them all (ie Sheva, Adriano, Henry, Ronaldinho) would turn Chelsea down, but would also turn every other team down. Players like Essien, Joaquin, Torres are being turned down by their clubs.
 
Milanista said:
I think youve both got a point. Some players, maybe the most expensive of them all (ie Sheva, Adriano, Henry, Ronaldinho) would turn Chelsea down, but would also turn every other team down. Players like Essien, Joaquin, Torres are being turned down by their clubs.
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You got it 100% right man, thats what i was saying, Rune was saying that Chelsea are a sinking ship and won't sign anyone because of the recent media, however the players that turned us down would turn everyone else down too, as they have no reason to move! They are happy and well paid. And also, some players are not being allowed to move for a average sized transfer fee, like Essien, that's what ive been trying to say. Thanks
 
Sulph said:
Its the media RuneEdge, most of the links are false and just speculation, its nothing about landing players man. If any other club were linked with the players Chelsea were linked with the same thing would happen.
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First you say this.

Sulph said:
£26million not enough for Essien - soccernet

Lyon president Jean-Michel Aulas has insisted that Chelsea's reported £26million bid for Ghanaian international midfielder Michael Essien is not enough.

Essien, 22, is one of the most coveted players in Europe with Chelsea and Manchester United among the clubs linked with him.

L'Equipe maintain that the London club have already lodged a £26million bid for the African.

However, that is not enough for Aulas who told the paper: 'Even at £26million I will not sell Michael Essien. The offer will have to be considerably higher.'
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Then you say this.
I mean how can you say its all speculation but chose to believe what you want to believe?
I've said this before and I'll say it again. Teams like Lyon putting their prices up is not an excuse. Everton said that Rooney is not gonna leave for less then £50million but in the end, he moved for £30million. Actually, it wasnt even £30million cuz Everton were only paid £10million upfront and havent even recieved any more yet.
If a player really wants to leave the club, they have no choice. Its happened many times over the past. When players want to go to Man Utd, it almost always happens. Saha, Rooney, and now Park all moved against the clubs will. But it seems like its not happening with Chelsea anymore.

As for me changing my sources, I think you're the one that needs to change.
http://uk.sports.yahoo.com/050316/4/9puq.html
http://soccernet.espn.go.com/feature?id=336192&cc=5739
http://www.football365.com/news/story_146570.shtml
http://www.football.co.uk/chelsea/story_11873.shtml
Is it any more obvious that Essien doesnt really want to move to Chelsea?

And this is just one example of a player that you think hasnt moved to Chelsea because the club wont let him.

Seriously, just forget this cuz you're only gonna talk more crap as this goes on.
 
The more Lyon play this the more I wonder how good Essien actually is. I think Lyon is waging that he's worth more this year than he will be next year, and they're playing it up to as high a price as possible. I mean, I've seen him in a few champions league matches, and he was good, but he's far from proven. The french league is alright, but far from the week in week out battle of others. A virtually unproven player for $30 million? I don't know seems a little ridiculous. I'm curious to see what happens when CHelsea stop bidding higher, if Lyon will do a turn about...
 
Sulph said:
Im sorry but I didnt understand a word you said.
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Now you're just acting childish cuz you got nothing to say.
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If you cant back up what you say then dont come here are post your crap.
 
beachryan said:
The more Lyon play this the more I wonder how good Essien actually is. I think Lyon is waging that he's worth more this year than he will be next year, and they're playing it up to as high a price as possible. I mean, I've seen him in a few champions league matches, and he was good, but he's far from proven. The french league is alright, but far from the week in week out battle of others. A virtually unproven player for $30 million? I don't know seems a little ridiculous. I'm curious to see what happens when CHelsea stop bidding higher, if Lyon will do a turn about...
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Thats obviously true but if the player himself was desperate to move, Lyon would have had no choice but to sell him at an affordable price. But Essien obviously doesnt want to move to Chelsea as much as he wants to stay.
 
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