Chelsea FC thread (Champions!)

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RuneEdge said:
Why exactly did Chelsea get Kenyon?
There are a million better people that can do his job.
We lost out on Ronaldinho cuz of that shit.
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They got kenyon to try and become us, obviously cuddly pete had convinced them that he was the reason we are so succesful financially, also his own arrogance led him to beleive his pull would get Chelsea onto the G14 (y'know where all the truly big clubs have a say) but that failed aswell.
 
So how come Chelsea get linked with players and its oh no hes turned them down and any other clubs its just speculation nobody really knows whos bidded for who!?
 
jamie_mack said:
So how come Chelsea get linked with players and its oh no hes turned them down and any other clubs its just speculation nobody really knows whos bidded for who!?
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Not all of them are speculation some are actual bids, thats what tabloids do now a days, they just confuse.

RuneEdge said:
All that was just speculation. Chelsea are always linked with players. There was a time when Joaquin looked very likely to move but for some reason decided to stay. Its all crap made by newspaper reporters.

Gerrard was about to move to Chelsea for 31M last summer, that was not speculation, it was all just due to a late change in heart. Secondly, Chelsea had never submitted a formal bid towards Joaquin.


Players always take their time to sign contracts cuz they want to keep their options open. Ryan Giggs took ages to sign his contract and he kept reasuring fans that he's never gonna move even though there was rumours that he might move to Inter or Boro. In the end, he signed the deal. The same is now happening with Ruud, Ronaldo and Rio.

We are talking about Steven Gerrard here, not Rio, Ruud or Ronaldo who all don't seem to have the same kind of love for their clubs as Gerrard has for Liverpool. That man loves Liverpool. We all knew that if Liverpool did not win the UEFA Champions League, then that was it, out he goes to Real or Chelsea. He would have signed it, because he only had 2 options, leave or stay, and if they did not win any silverware, he was going to let himself out the door. This is well agreed by EVERYONE.


You dont get my point. At Chelsea, they have many great and important players that if Gerrard joined them, he wouldnt really stand out. He'll just be another Chelsea player like Lampard or Robben. But at Liverpool, he's the captain, THE player that makes the team, the most valuable member of the squad and the most irreplaceable. And Liverpool need Gerrard more than Chelsea need him.

Another Chelsea player? Arent they all just players? I don't understand what you are trying to say. Are you trying to say that Stevie G is "special" to Liverpool? Robben, Lampard and Terry are all "special" to Chelsea too. These are the 3 players that seem to get the most attention and there is no reason why Gerrard cannot join and not only be as big as he is now, but much much bigger. He will be guaranteed a starting place and IRREPLACABLE too. Well actually no one is irreplacable, so thats another flaw in your argument, Hamaan and Xabi could have replaced him if he was injured and not that much of a difference would be made, the same thing would happen in Chelsea with Makelele. Anyway Gerrard is staying BECAUSE LIVERPOOL PICKED UP SILVERWARE, and so its now up to us to get someone like Essien, i feel that Julio Baptista would be a great buy, an added bonus is that he can play up front, and since we only have 2 strikers right now, that might just be perfect.



You forgot Robinho and Joaquin. :mrgreen:
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jamie_mack said:
So how come Chelsea get linked with players and its oh no hes turned them down and any other clubs its just speculation nobody really knows whos bidded for who!?
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Cos the directors/presidents of these clubs cant wait to tell the world how their players turned down chelski's millions or that the player has no interest in the club....
 
so kezman is gone with athletico madrid, Chelsea has striker shortage, maybe look at Juve to make a deal they have 8-strikers already, with Cassano could be 9!

Chelsea dont need high-profile striker, they could get scoring from their midfield. cole, duff, robben, lampard, imagine how many goals these guys can score combined this coming season, if they all stay healthy (hopefully). 8)
 
1-Adrian Mutu
2-Zlatan Ibrahimovic
3-Alessandro Del Piero
4-David Trezeguet
5-Olivier Kapo
6-Ruben Olivera
7-Marcelo Zalayeta
8-F Miccoli
9-Cassano

Kapo,zalayeta,miccolo could end up in Roma exchange with cash for Cassano.

Cassano should join Chelsea, he'll be the new Zola :mrgreen:
 
Sulph said:
Another Chelsea player? Arent they all just players? I don't understand what you are trying to say. Are you trying to say that Stevie G is "special" to Liverpool? Robben, Lampard and Terry are all "special" to Chelsea too. These are the 3 players that seem to get the most attention and there is no reason why Gerrard cannot join and not only be as big as he is now, but much much bigger. He will be guaranteed a starting place and IRREPLACABLE too. Well actually no one is irreplacable, so thats another flaw in your argument, Hamaan and Xabi could have replaced him if he was injured and not that much of a difference would be made, the same thing would happen in Chelsea with Makelele. Anyway Gerrard is staying BECAUSE LIVERPOOL PICKED UP SILVERWARE, and so its now up to us to get someone like Essien, i feel that Julio Baptista would be a great buy, an added bonus is that he can play up front, and since we only have 2 strikers right now, that might just be perfect.
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What is there that you cant understand? Gerrard is the SINGLE biggest player at Liverpool, he's their captain, he's the center of attention and is arguably the main reason for all of Liverpool's success. Plus he gets that loyalty and security from the manager and the board cuz of the loyalty he gives back to the club.

If he was at Chelsea, he's no longer the single biggest player at the team, no longer a captain, no longer the center of attention and no longer the sole reason for Chelsea's success cuz they're already a great side. And if another player comes along thats better than Gerrard, he'll get replaced. At Chelsea, Gerrard is just another big signing cuz Chelsea are always gonna spend big money. Being the captain of a team like Liverpool which has such a great history and lifting the European Cup is something to be so proud of. Playing inside left midfield in a 4-3-3 formation and jumping up and down in the background where the camera cant see you on the CL Winners stand for Chelsea is not.

The whole point I'm trying to make is that players wont come to Chelsea and I'm sure if he had left, he would have gone to Real Madrid for the reasons I've mentioned above and the fact that he couldnt stand facing his beloved Liverpool.
 
RuneEdge said:
The whole point I'm trying to make is that players wont come to Chelsea and I'm sure if he had left, he would have gone to Real Madrid for the reasons I've mentioned above and the fact that he couldnt stand facing his beloved Liverpool.
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Even with all their money they wont attract the likes of Gerrard, he's used to being at a club that is highly respected and renowned in the world of football, a club with history and prestige, chelsea have pretty much no standing in European football history, also their two league titles is hardly lighting up the world of football. They are years behind Arsenal United and LFC.

All their recent troubles, tapping up etc shows that money doesnt necessarily bring class.
 
RuneEdge said:
What is there that you cant understand? Gerrard is the SINGLE biggest player at Liverpool, he's their captain, he's the center of attention and is arguably the main reason for all of Liverpool's success. Plus he gets that loyalty and security from the manager and the board cuz of the loyalty he gives back to the club.

If he was at Chelsea, he's no longer the single biggest player at the team, no longer a captain, no longer the center of attention and no longer the sole reason for Chelsea's success cuz they're already a great side. And if another player comes along thats better than Gerrard, he'll get replaced. At Chelsea, Gerrard is just another big signing cuz Chelsea are always gonna spend big money. Being the captain of a team like Liverpool which has such a great history and lifting the European Cup is something to be so proud of. Playing inside left midfield in a 4-3-3 formation and jumping up and down in the background where the camera cant see you on the CL Winners stand for Chelsea is not.

The whole point I'm trying to make is that players wont come to Chelsea and I'm sure if he had left, he would have gone to Real Madrid for the reasons I've mentioned above and the fact that he couldnt stand facing his beloved Liverpool.
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What the fuck are you talking about?!
GERRARD WAS GOING TO SIGN FOR CHELSEA FOR 31M LAST SUMMER.
Another player is going to replace him? That could happen at any club, wtff are you talking about?
Also, i doubt anyone could ever replace Stevie G, are you high or something?
He would play centre of the 4-3-3 because that would mean he would replace Claude Makelele.
Players won't come to Chelsea? Are you trying to say that Chelsea will never sign anyone? Wtf?
You don't make sense man.
 
Sulph said:
What the fuck are you talking about?!
GERRARD WAS GOING TO SIGN FOR CHELSEA FOR 31M LAST SUMMER.
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No kenyon tapped him up, made a mess of it, then made it to public knowledge which woke gerrard up to the sort of people he was dealing with....

Funnily enough since then chelsea havent been successful in signing anyone significant, but thats cuddly pete for you....
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Sulph said:
What the fuck are you talking about?!
GERRARD WAS GOING TO SIGN FOR CHELSEA FOR 31M LAST SUMMER.
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Like Vannizzlefashizzal said, there was no real deal put forward. You seem to be the only one that knows about that "£31million deal".
If you call that "GOING TO SIGN", you'd probably think Chelsea we're going to sign the million other players they are linked with.
"GOING TO SIGN" would be something like what Robben did when he took a tour of Man Utd's training complex and everything only to go somewhere else.

Sulph said:
Another player is going to replace him? That could happen at any club, wtff are you talking about?
Also, i doubt anyone could ever replace Stevie G, are you high or something?
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First of all, this doesnt happen at every club. Ruud has had a disaster of a season but he's not gonna be replaced. But once Chelsea sign another striker, he'll definately replace your older strikers who have had a better season than Ruud.
Look at Man Utd's best XI. Giggs, Keane, Scholes, Gary Neville, etc have been in the side for years but do you actually think that in the last 5-6 years we couldnt afford to replace them with better and younger players? The reason we didnt is because we have faith in our players and are loyal to them. Teams dont just go and buy replacements but Chelsea have proven that they do.

Sulph said:
He would play centre of the 4-3-3 because that would mean he would replace Claude Makelele.
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If you had any sense, you'd know that if Gerrard joined Chelsea, the formation would be something like this.

------------Makalele--------------
-----Gerrard------Lampard------
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-Duff---------------------Robben-
------------Drogba----------------

No one in the world is dumb enough (well not no one cuz you just proved that) to get rid of Makalele after the way he plays for Chelsea and leave Tiago/Jarosik in the team.

Sulph said:
Players won't come to Chelsea? Are you trying to say that Chelsea will never sign anyone? Wtf?
You don't make sense man.
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Yeah, you're right. Just cuz Eto'o, Shevchenko, Adriano, Torres, Robinho, Joaquin, Essien, Trezeguet and many other players turned you down, it doesnt mean you wont sign anyone. Who needs all those when you have Del Horno. :roll:
 
RuneEdge, most of those players are all class strikers.
But there is something you people are not taking into count. Everybody knows chelsea has millions to spend, so when they go for a player, the club owner will always ask for more money. That makes negotations alot more difficult for chelsea.

would barça sell their best striker, or Milan (especially them), Inter?, Atletico is an historic team in spain, and they want to get back on top, and they can't do it without their best player.(Torres)
And of course the reputation of the club also counts.

And chelsea only wants a high class striker to sell kits. (money money)
There are a few strikers around that could do a great job at chelsea and don't have the reputation of sheva. adriano.. etc.
 
Thats just an excuse. The fact still remains that Chelsea are being turned down on all these bids to buy these players.
 
I think the rest of the premiership teams need to buy players if they don't want Chelsea to win again.
 
RuneEdge said:
Thats just an excuse. The fact still remains that Chelsea are being turned down on all these bids to buy these players.
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The bids are turned down why? Just because it's chelsea? If ManUtd could make such bids, the other teams would automaticaly accept it just because it's Man Utd?

It's all business, to make money you need great players, Milan (for example) won't sell one of their best to anyone.

Only a mad bid like 150M would make them sell.

Chelsea needs a striker, and they will most likely get one in the next week, simply not one of the current superstars, and I wouldn't be surprised if they get one that becomes a star AT chelsea.
 
RuneEdge said:
You seem to be the only one that knows about that "£31million deal".

Ask Steven Gerrard himself.

First of all, this doesnt happen at every club. Ruud has had a disaster of a season but he's not gonna be replaced. But once Chelsea sign another striker, he'll definately replace your older strikers who have had a better season than Ruud.

I said Gerrard cannot be replaced, can you read?

Look at Man Utd's best XI. Giggs, Keane, Scholes, Gary Neville, etc have been in the side for years but do you actually think that in the last 5-6 years we couldnt afford to replace them with better and younger players? The reason we didnt is because we have faith in our players and are loyal to them. Teams dont just go and buy replacements but Chelsea have proven that they do.

Thats why they don't win a thing. :roll:


If you had any sense, you'd know that if Gerrard joined Chelsea, the formation would be something like this.

------------Makalele--------------
-----Gerrard------Lampard------
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-Duff---------------------Robben-
------------Drogba----------------

The original formation, was Ranieri's 4-4-2 with a Lampard Gerrard centre, BEFORE MOURINHO ARRIVED and implemnted the 4-3-3 however I was saying that if someone like Essien joined it could have been Lamps and Gerr, anyawy Gerrard is a very versatile player, that even played up front for Liverpool, if you have any sense :roll:.

No one in the world is dumb enough (well not no one cuz you just proved that) to get rid of Makalele after the way he plays for Chelsea and leave Tiago/Jarosik in the team.

Makelele is getting old, and will be gone by the end of next season, and we had no replacements, cept for Parker but he has moved on, i was not being disloyal, but plain honest. And when did i say Tiago/Jarosik will be in the team? Once again, can you read? :roll:

Yeah, you're right. Just cuz Eto'o, Shevchenko, Adriano, Torres, Robinho, Joaquin, Essien, Trezeguet and many other players turned you down, it doesnt mean you wont sign anyone. Who needs all those when you have Del Horno. :roll:

Del Horno is a great attacking full back, and Id see all those players turn down Man Utd too, so your kind of contradicting yourself, nice signings by the way in Kleberson, Djemba etc. You sure get class players at your club too :roll:.

Get yor facts right man, and admit that your wrong for once. Jesus :roll:.
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Sulph said:
Ask Steven Gerrard himself.
Now whats the point in even typing that? Its not like anyone here is ever gonna ask him. If you're so sure, prove it yourself. I cant find a single newspaper or website that says there was a £31million bid.

I said Gerrard cannot be replaced, can you read?
Are you Gerrard's biggest fan or something? He's not like the greatest player on the planet. So there definately will be a time where there will be a better alternative available in this world. And knowing Chelsea, they'd want to buy that person. CHelsea having so much talent on their bench proves this. How can you ever go to a team like Chelsea and NEVER expect to be replaced? Ranieri took your team to the semis of the CL for the first time in their history AND finish 2nd in the league. That for many Chelsea fans was such a big thing considering what Chelsea's standards were like a season before. But still he was sacked because there was a better man out there to do the job. Its not like he was needed (maybe he was but we're not supposed to know that yet cuz we havent seen the future) but he was sacked anyway. Chelsea is such a competitive team that they DEMAND the best in every area including off the pitch which people have recently learned.

Thats why they don't win a thing.
Can YOU read? I said in the last 5-6 years. If you think we didnt win anything in that period, someone needs to slap your head and drag you to our trophy cabinet.

The original formation, was Ranieri's 4-4-2 with a Lampard Gerrard centre, BEFORE MOURINHO ARRIVED and implemnted the 4-3-3 however I was saying that if someone like Essien joined it could have been Lamps and Gerr, anyawy Gerrard is a very versatile player, that even played up front for Liverpool, if you have any sense .
WTF has Ranieri got to do with this? Chelsea currently use 4-3-3, so why did you even mention 4-4-2? Its not like its gonna be used especially to accomodate Gerrard. And you said that Gerrard would replace Makalele. I dont care how versatile Gerrard is but it would be stupid to suggest that he would play in a position other than the one I mentioned.

------------Makalele--------------
-----Gerrard------Lampard------
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-Duff---------------------Robben-
------------Drogba----------------

If you have any knowledge of football, you'd understand why that formation is used. Playing a midfield with the players in that order is the only way to play those three players if you want them to be more effective. Denying this proves you know nothing about your team and why they play in their positions.

Makelele is getting old, and will be gone by the end of next season, and we had no replacements, cept for Parker but he has moved on, i was not being disloyal, but plain honest.
So what if Makalele is old. Is Gerrard supposed to sign for Chelsea and then wait for Makalele to leave before playing in a comfortable position? The fact is, Makalele is still a Chelsea player so Gerrard would have to fight for his place. Over at Liverpool he doesnt.

And when did i say Tiago/Jarosik will be in the team? Once again, can you read?
Are you the boss of the team or something? Just cuz you never said it, it doesnt mean they dont play. And when did I ever say you said Tiago/Jarosik will be in the team? I think you're the one that needs to read...oh wait a minute, that isnt gonna work cuz you've tried to do that with my posts and failed miserably.

Del Horno is a great attacking full back, and Id see all those players turn down Man Utd too, so your kind of contradicting yourself,
The thing is, we wont make bids for those players if we know we're not gonna get them. But Chelsea overestimated the power of money. And the simple point I was trying to make was that you cant sign the major players cuz they dont want to join you so you're left with the lesser known players (and before you jump up and go crazy, I'm not trying to say that your signings have been bad). Man Utd on the other hand have attracted the big names like the Rooneys and the Verons, etc which is something Chelsea fail to do even though they have more money than Man Utd ever did.

nice signings by the way in Kleberson, Djemba etc. You sure get class players at your club too.
What has this got to do with our past signings? Were talking about the players being linked and bought from the start of this season. The only player that I can remember us putting a "bid" for Essien which was turned down but we signed Park Ji-Sung and Van Der Sar. I dont think theres anything to be embarrassed about there.
And before you talk about our signings, did you even look at your own? Some of them arent even funny and the prices you lot paid for them is just stupid.

Get yor facts right man, and admit that your wrong for once. Jesus .
I'm the only one stating the only fact in this. The fact is that Chelsea have been snubbed by many teams this season and it seems that the big players dont want to join you. And this is a FACT because we all know about all the players Chelsea have been linked with but never signed. You're just being stupid when denying that cuz you cant take it.
And because of you not accepting that simple fact, you dragged me into this whole debate/arguement where you continued to not face the facts or simply showed a lack of knowledge.
I know whats probably gonna happen next. You're gonna come back here, not read/understand my posts and come up with a lame arguement that doesnt even make sense so before you flood this board, I'm gonna be the bigger man and walk away cuz you're only making me and yourself look like idiots.
Just face defeat and accept you cant win all the time...wait a minute. Is that you Roman?
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Runeedge, if you had any knowledge, Gerrard was linked to Chelsea during the Ranieri reign, which is what I meant by the 4-4-2 with a Lampard and Gerrard partnership, and secondly, you are showing the rest of this community your lack of football knowledge, by saying that Gerrard can be replaced and that he would have to fight for a place.

www.bbc.com/football said:
Liverpool open talks with Gerrard

Steven Gerrard
Benitez reveals Gerrard ambition
Liverpool captain Steven Gerrard will open talks about a new long-term Anfield contract on Wednesday.

Gerrard's agent, Struan Marshall, is scheduled to meet Liverpool chief executive Rick Parry in a bid to finally thrash out a deal.

Real Madrid and Chelsea have both been linked with 25-year-old, but Liverpool are confident he will stay at Anfield.

Gerrard's current contract at Liverpool expires in June 2007 and he is expected to be offered an £80,000-a-week deal.

Liverpool manager Rafael Benitez is desperate to keep Gerrard at the heart of his Champions League-winning side as he rebuilds for the future.


If he was committed, wouldn't he have let us fans know earlier?
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Gerrard's Liverpool career has been at the centre of constant speculation, and he was poised to complete a £31m move to Chelsea last summer before a late change of heart.

But Liverpool are hopeful of a swift resolution to the saga once they start serious negotiations with his representatives.

Gerrard returned to pre-season training with Liverpool on Monday, and has insisted he wants his future resolved well before the start of the new campaign.
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There you go RuneEdge, next time think before you talk.
 
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How many times do I have to say this?
Thats speculation. We hear stuff like that ALL the time.
When have we heard about the £31million deal FROM THEIR MOUTHS?
 
Another major flaw in your arguement is that you talk about the Ranieri era while that article is clearly VERY recent. So if Gerrard made this so called £31million move, it would have been while Mourinho was there so he would NOT be playing in a 4-4-2.
So seriously, stop talking while you can. Or else you'll just embarrass yourself even further.
 
Just thought id add my two pennies worth about Chelsea and there targets, In reality Chelsea could go and sign anyone they wanted they could make 100m plus bid for any of those players mentioned and pay them 2 or 3 times what there on in wages and it still wouldnt dent Romans wallet!
 
jamie_mack said:
Just thought id add my two pennies worth about Chelsea and there targets, In reality Chelsea could go and sign anyone they wanted they could make 100m plus bid for any of those players mentioned and pay them 2 or 3 times what there on in wages and it still wouldnt dent Romans wallet!
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And it still wouldnt make the players wanna sign either, so whats your point??
 
jamie_mack said:
And you know that because....
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These two are saying that no one will sign for Chelsea. Just because we've been turned down for top players that are doing so well at their clubs.

I find this ridiculous and its not just these players that are turning down Chelsea its their clubs too, even though the players are happy, getting paid well, and being successful and winning things, why would they want to leave?

Its also the clubs that don't want to sell. Eg. Lyon does not want to get Essien leave so easily, especially now that Houllier is in charge. Also, its not that these players wont come to Chelsea, its that they wont be going any where else either, because of the clubs too.

In reality, Jamie you are right, Chelsea could dish out the cash but whats the use if they want so much. And Roman im sure, has his own limits.
 
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Rune you say that the Gerrard bid that sulph is talking about is just speculation, but the same can be said about sheva and such.

The only star player that I see that mourinho would want is Adriano. Mourinho said that he was to become the best in the world.

T think you are just afraid what chelsea would do if they got one of those world class players. I mean with the current team, wich has problems, they managed to dominate the EPL (11points? or 9?)

And like sulph said Roman has it's limits, cause chelsea is not roman's personal toy, he bought it to make money. And it's already been announced a few months ago that they plan to cover for all their expense till 2010.

If you all really think that players won't sign for chelsea, because "it's chelsea" and not ManUtd, RM, Milan etc. then I can only say "wake up". If a player has a big wage, as sucess at his current club, plays in an already very competitive league, why change? And don't forget the family fact.
 
Are you trying to say that Adriano, Joaquin, Robinho, Torres and Essien are playing at such big clubs that they wouldnt consider a move to Chelsea?
Chelsea is much bigger club than the ones that the above players play for with maybe the exception of Inter and arguably Lyon who arent really major force like Chelsea.
 
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