Arsenal Thread

Yeah that would make my day :LOL:

Ahem... let's see, is Nasri a cunt? So unfair... just because he had a spoken agreement for 90k a week, and when they gave him the contract he didn't sign? Just because he clearly went for the money (more than double)? And most importantly, just because he had that ridiculous parting shot at Arsenal fans? Saying they're not passionate enough, and the atmosphere wasn't as good as in the Highbury days? Spoken like a true Highbury veteran :LOL:

Nasri is a little piece of shit, but yeah he's respectable and full of integrity when compared to Platini and his UEFA suits.
 
Jesus, 90k a week and he still refuses. It must have been his father or his agent... but his parting words lead me to believe otherwise.
 
We definitely need a win to pick ourselves up.

Jonney be honest mate, you're not unfolding a "Sack Wenger" banner there are you? :P
 
Rentboy said:
Yeah that would make my day :LOL:

Ahem... let's see, is Nasri a cunt? So unfair... just because he had a spoken agreement for 90k a week, and when they gave him the contract he didn't sign? Just because he clearly went for the money (more than double)? And most importantly, just because he had that ridiculous parting shot at Arsenal fans? Saying they're not passionate enough, and the atmosphere wasn't as good as in the Highbury days? Spoken like a true Highbury veteran :LOL:

Nasri is a little piece of shit, but yeah he's respectable and full of integrity when compared to Platini and his UEFA suits.
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I never liked Platini as a player, but IMO he is one of the best UEFA bosses ever...could you give me one example of what is wrong with his integrity?

About Nasri: he is a professional player, so money is important for him (just like for all of us in our professional carreer). And yes i genuinely think that the possibility to win silverware with Man City is bigger than to win it with Arsenal (i'm a Spurs fan and i can understand why Modric - my favourite player- wants to go to Chelsea, that is also a combination of money and wanting to win things...nothing wrong with that).
About the Emirates and (some part of) the Arsenal fans: remember Eboue being booed by his own "fans" that was a disgrace...and i think Nasri will not be the only one that will tell you that there was a better atmosphere at Higbury than the Emirates. And who says that he never went to Higbury? I can feel the difference only by watching television.

Conclusion: there is nothing wrong with Nasri. While being on holiday in France i bought L'Equipe and there was an interview with Nasri in that paper (that was just before the transfer). Nasri had only good things to say about Arsenal and Wenger. He will never forget the chance Wenger gave him, he is happy having played for Arsenal and he thinks high about the club and Wenger. He obviously went for money reasons to Man City, but also because he was excited about this new challenge. Why did he choose Man City above United: the challenge. Why did he choose Man City above Arsenal: money and the need to win things. In that interview he also talked about the fans and what he supposedly said about them. He did not deny that he expected more passion in the Emirates, but he said there was nothing wrong with the Arsenal fans. He claimed all this was exagerated by the press in England (and be honest: it would not be the first time).

Personally i think most fans of huge clubs are a litle bit like spoiled brats. There are millions of other fans who would like their club to be as big and entertaining as Arsenal. Arsenal are still in the top four of the biggest league in the world...evey year they participate in the CL (we in Belgium are all over the moon because once again we have a Belgian club in the CL, Genk will be slaughtered by all their opponents, but we are over the moon). I understand that fans want their clubs to win things, but Arsenal refuses to throw money away. I think in the long term that is a very wise thing to do.

Rant over: sorry.
 
Dont hold back ..... Lol everyone is entitle to rant! Its normal for fans to be upset we feel rejected , we dont stop supporting arsenal for lack of..... To compare us to other midtable clubs or bottom clubs.we will still be here ...look at lpool fans they were at the top and fell they didnt stop. Their goals changed ,top 4th is their aim.. I would like to see more of your views about tottenham n arry. Its easy to say whats wrong with other clubs.

Chamahk to stay our whole approach has change with the players we have.arsenal might not be the passing way it might be more direct w/ aerial approach.
 
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gerd said:
I never liked Platini as a player, but IMO he is one of the best UEFA bosses ever...could you give me one example of what is wrong with his integrity?

About Nasri: he is a professional player, so money is important for him (just like for all of us in our professional carreer). And yes i genuinely think that the possibility to win silverware with Man City is bigger than to win it with Arsenal (i'm a Spurs fan and i can understand why Modric - my favourite player- wants to go to Chelsea, that is also a combination of money and wanting to win things...nothing wrong with that).
About the Emirates and (some part of) the Arsenal fans: remember Eboue being booed by his own "fans" that was a disgrace...and i think Nasri will not be the only one that will tell you that there was a better atmosphere at Higbury than the Emirates. And who says that he never went to Higbury? I can feel the difference only by watching television.

Conclusion: there is nothing wrong with Nasri. While being on holiday in France i bought L'Equipe and there was an interview with Nasri in that paper (that was just before the transfer). Nasri had only good things to say about Arsenal and Wenger. He will never forget the chance Wenger gave him, he is happy having played for Arsenal and he thinks high about the club and Wenger. He obviously went for money reasons to Man City, but also because he was excited about this new challenge. Why did he choose Man City above United: the challenge. Why did he choose Man City above Arsenal: money and the need to win things. In that interview he also talked about the fans and what he supposedly said about them. He did not deny that he expected more passion in the Emirates, but he said there was nothing wrong with the Arsenal fans. He claimed all this was exagerated by the press in England (and be honest: it would not be the first time).

Personally i think most fans of huge clubs are a litle bit like spoiled brats. There are millions of other fans who would like their club to be as big and entertaining as Arsenal. Arsenal are still in the top four of the biggest league in the world...evey year they participate in the CL (we in Belgium are all over the moon because once again we have a Belgian club in the CL, Genk will be slaughtered by all their opponents, but we are over the moon). I understand that fans want their clubs to win things, but Arsenal refuses to throw money away. I think in the long term that is a very wise thing to do.

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Sorry but thats rubbish calling fans of top clubs spoil. Our expectations for our club is MUCH higher then leyton orient's fans. their fans expect their team o try and compete and get promoted to the next league while the likes of barca, united etc have expectations of challenging for the very top prizes of football and trying to win them.

To call top club supportes spoilt is WAY OFF mark just because they have higher realistic expectations for their club.

Someone with low goals/expectations fails in life when compared to somene who constanty has higher expectations and goals.

And about Nasri. No he said he wanted to leave to WIN trophies, not for a new challenge. if he wanted a so called "challenge" why diddnt he stay with arsenal then as we are labeled as an inferior team then city? It would have been a HARDER more CHALLENGING task to win a trophy with arsenal then it is with city.

Sorry but again you have failed with your defense for Nasri.
 
I actually agree with Gerd on the Nasri situation. Money was a factor but I do think he went more for the chance of winning things. Man city look scarily good and it is exciting times for that club and he wanted to be part of it.

The main thing I was annoyed about was his little parting shot at the fans and also we were lucky to get 25mill for him. I would have liked it if he signed the contract last year, so we could have been garaunteed a big pay day. If he would have left on a free it would have been shit and I doubt Nasri would care.

But anyway he is gone, I hope he does rubbish :DD
 
gerd said:
I never liked Platini as a player, but IMO he is one of the best UEFA bosses ever...could you give me one example of what is wrong with his integrity?

About Nasri: he is a professional player, so money is important for him (just like for all of us in our professional carreer). And yes i genuinely think that the possibility to win silverware with Man City is bigger than to win it with Arsenal (i'm a Spurs fan and i can understand why Modric - my favourite player- wants to go to Chelsea, that is also a combination of money and wanting to win things...nothing wrong with that).
About the Emirates and (some part of) the Arsenal fans: remember Eboue being booed by his own "fans" that was a disgrace...and i think Nasri will not be the only one that will tell you that there was a better atmosphere at Higbury than the Emirates. And who says that he never went to Higbury? I can feel the difference only by watching television.

Conclusion: there is nothing wrong with Nasri. While being on holiday in France i bought L'Equipe and there was an interview with Nasri in that paper (that was just before the transfer). Nasri had only good things to say about Arsenal and Wenger. He will never forget the chance Wenger gave him, he is happy having played for Arsenal and he thinks high about the club and Wenger. He obviously went for money reasons to Man City, but also because he was excited about this new challenge. Why did he choose Man City above United: the challenge. Why did he choose Man City above Arsenal: money and the need to win things. In that interview he also talked about the fans and what he supposedly said about them. He did not deny that he expected more passion in the Emirates, but he said there was nothing wrong with the Arsenal fans. He claimed all this was exagerated by the press in England (and be honest: it would not be the first time).

Personally i think most fans of huge clubs are a litle bit like spoiled brats. There are millions of other fans who would like their club to be as big and entertaining as Arsenal. Arsenal are still in the top four of the biggest league in the world...evey year they participate in the CL (we in Belgium are all over the moon because once again we have a Belgian club in the CL, Genk will be slaughtered by all their opponents, but we are over the moon). I understand that fans want their clubs to win things, but Arsenal refuses to throw money away. I think in the long term that is a very wise thing to do.

Rant over: sorry.
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First of all don't worry about the rant. There's no better place to do it than in here :D

I think UEFA has been taking some shocking decisions under Platini. That "Eduardo dive" thing in 2009 got way out of control and he ended up getting a 3 match ban for something worthy of a yellow card only.
Meanwhile, they turn a blind eye to obvious play acting from other teams. Sergio Busquets against Thiago Motta springs to my mind.
However, quite the opposite happens when their referees are at fault. When their refs give an unfair card like that for Van Persie they don't do nothing to go back and make things right, they're too arrogant to recognise their own mistakes.
Platini apparently has a long standing feud with Wenger and I'd guess he is letting it cloud his judgement.
I'm only giving examples related to Arsenal because I that's what I follow closely. But I'm sure there are other cases where clubs felt treated unfairly.
To sum it up, I think Platini is a hypocrite who's trying to look good and do good deeds as starting that Financial Fair Play thing. As we all know clubs like City have been making a mockery of it.
That said, Platini is well on his way to a good career in football politics. IMO honest people don't have a chance at UEFA and FIFA, and he's fitting right in.

As for Nasri, he can try and twist that story as much as he wants. He will say he got quoted out of context, or the mean British press manipulated the story. But the fact is that he did say it himself very clearly in an interview to City's channel: YouTube - Manchester City's Samir Nasri Exclusive Interview - Part One
So, it's not me saying mate, it's the player himself. Totally out of order and unecessary IMO, to have a dig at Arsenal supporters. Just shows how classless Nasri really is.
That thing about the Highbury atmosphere was preposterous. You can't say you know what's the atmosphere of a football ground like unless you at least watched a match there.
I reckon other footballers would have dealt with this situation much better than him.

oops, this is already very long. End of my rant :D
 
Oops if Nasri said so himseff, who am i to defend him? But still i understand him, let's say that i agree with Bobby's point of view.

Jonney, i never dared dreaming of persuading you...but there are others in this thread. i know we disagree, this does not stop me liking you...

Rentboy, i'm quite sure that Platini is not to blame for all what you are mentioning. i simply cannot imagine that Platini would interfere in things like this...
 
gerd said:
Oops if Nasri said so himseff, who am i to defend him? But still i understand him, let's say that i agree with Bobby's point of view.

Jonney, i never dared dreaming of persuading you...but there are others in this thread. i know we disagree, this does not stop me liking you...

Rentboy, i'm quite sure that Platini is not to blame for all what you are mentioning. i simply cannot imagine that Platini would interfere in things like this...
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Mate i told u he said it himself. his a fucking prick. dont know why your defending him to be honest when the facts are there for you to see.

You really think harry redknapp would get involved and say how nasri went for money. come on.
 
gerd said:
Rentboy, i'm quite sure that Platini is not to blame for all what you are mentioning. i simply cannot imagine that Platini would interfere in things like this...
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The problem of rentboy is maybe he has selective memory. At the emirates barcelona was denied a perfectly legal goal that had been 0-2. Then later a clear penalty to pedro (and red card to the last defender) was totally ignored by the referee (still 0-1 by then). And finally a play where villa and pedro went alone towards the goalkeeper was called offside and wasnt. Arsenal wonthat match.

So, where's the platini conspiracy there? Lately there are a lot of clubs and fans trying to justify a lot of things with the refs, uefa conspiracies and so...the problem of arsenal was facing a better team. Period. Even if the van persie card was harsh, in the overall arsenal was clearly benefited by the refs overall. It's just what mourinho does all the time, trying to be the victim and building conspiracies to justify own problems.

Platini has been a great uefa president, probably the best i know. He succeeded against the G14 group of teams that wanted a european superleague, he is battling for fairness (i cant think of someone like blatter doing it) and he has defended players, youth academies and he is trying to make football more fair. It's an almost impossible mission, and though he has done many mistakes (who doesnt) he has been a good representative of the sport and has always talked with sense and clear.

Just returned from a large trip, i know arsenal did a crazy final day of transfers. How are things around? People trusting the projec? Personally i don't think arsenal will have a good season, too many changes at the last minute and too much quality left. But it's in moments like this when a team can surprise you and having the goal of finishing top four instead of winning the title could make wonders to some players that need to grow. I hope it goes well and arteta gels quickly, though I'm a bit sad when i thinkarsenal is out of the race for titles. Its my personal oppinion, I think wenger period has ended and arsenal should start a new cycle with someone else, though the problem is that the perfect coach i would sign to do it would be... Wenger?

Its a wicked situation!
 
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I'm with Gerd and drekkard on Platini.

Seems like just about every Englishman loves to jump this guy. They all have a thing against him. I know Rentboy isn't English but just saying, in the english media, he's some kinda villain... for me he's done a lot of good actually and seems like a good fair person. Unlike most of those corrupted bastards.

p.s. Gerd, why didn't you like Platini as a player?
 
Well PLF i've expressed myself badly...he was a great player, but sometimes he claimed that the brilliant France team was all about himself. He was the star of what was perhaps one of the best midfields ever: Ferandez-Tigana-Giresse-Platini.

I remember him (as a player) commenting about a brilliant Tigana assist for one of his goal. Het said (almost literally) the following: "of course this was not a bad pass, but if i hadn't scored the goal, nobody would talk about that pass". In a sense he's right, but you don't say things like that...instead you thank a team mate. He did that fairly regularly... I loved that team thoroughly, but i did not like Platini's attitude at the time...But once again: there is no doubt that he was a great player.

But of course he was much younger when he acted like that. Since then he has matured and just like drekkard i think he's the best UEFA president there has ever been...

PS: and completely off-topic now: who do you prefer Zidane or Platini? I think i might prefer Platini although i always loved Zidane...
 
I never saw Platini play myself only in highlights so like many other 'classic' players, I can't judge. Zizou I did have the pleasure of however of course and I loved him. But growing up, it was Youri Djorkaeff in that France team that was actually my favourite. Another one of my favorites was Arsenal legend, Dennis Bergkamp. Loved watching these 2 play.

Thanks for the info on Platini. I had no idea, he was more of a cocky player when he was younger. But that's pretty normal I guess. When you're young and great, it does get to most people's head...

Anyway back on topic now....
 
drekkard said:
The problem of rentboy is maybe he has selective memory.
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It's not selective memory mate, like I said, I'm giving Arsenal examples because that's who I follow more closely in Europe. And even though I spent one year in London, I've been watching most of these things from Brazil now, I don't watch Sky Sports News or read Metro and Daily Mail.

I wasn't saying Arsenal deserved to go through against Barcelona last season. You got it all wrong. All I'm saying is that I'm baffled, bewildered and shocked that UEFA didn't rectify that mistake (harsh RVP sending off) as it still has an impact on Arsenal this season. Plus Arsene Wenger's ban for rightly criticizing a ref and then having this ban extended for talking to a middleman passing on instructions to Pat, which was outrageous.

Let's face it, Mourinho ended a ref's career (Anders Firsk) by accusing him of walking out of Barça's dressing room talking to Rijkaard. As a result, the Swedish ref got death treats from Chelsea's hooligans and decided to retire. How was Mourinho's irresponsible act dealt with? Was he punished at all?

Now if you want to talk about refs mistakes, it seems you have a selective memory yourself. Even though I don't like Mourinho, I have to agree with him on something: Barcelona has been clearly favoured in UEFA CL recently. What about that game against Cheslea in Stamford Bridge (that Drogba f*cking disgrace rant). How many penalties were Chelsea denied? 3 or 4?
What about 2010 when Thiago Motta got sent off for absolutely nothing and Inter had to play with 10 men (and still managed to beat Barça)?
I can't blame Mourinho's bitterness when he says Guardiola is still to win a CL trophy in a fair manner. You're getting decisions in your favour. No wonder you like Platini as the head of UEFA :P

As for Platini undermining Arsenal, maybe Gerd is right and I may be too paranoid. Maybe I'm naïve to think he's directly involved, but this isn't impossible... It's not absurd to think that Platini does have a say in important matters such as the controversial "Eduardo dive" retrospective 3-match ban or Wenger's ban being increased. I think he gave the go ahead and the fact he doesn't quite like Wenger is a sign this could be possible. Why would he bother, when he has much more concerning matters such as Financial Fair Play and Racism? He's being too picky and that's strange.

Should this be the case, Platini is getting closer and closer to the MO of the likes of Blatter, Havelange and Ricardo Teixeira, who don't even disguise how dirty they play against their political opponents.

Anyways, so much for this "Platini Conspiracy". I've had enough of that. I just want Arsenal to get on with it and do well in the group stages despite not having AW in the touch line.
 
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Not seeing his nervous sight all worried on the touchline or sitting on the bench biting his nails may actually turn out to be a blessing in disguise and fill the players with more confidence....
 
Rentboy said:
I wasn't saying Arsenal deserved to go through against Barcelona last season. You got it all wrong. All I'm saying is that I'm baffled, bewildered and shocked that UEFA didn't rectify that mistake (harsh RVP sending off) as it still has an impact on Arsenal this season. Plus Arsene Wenger's ban for rightly criticizing a ref and then having this ban extended for talking to a middleman passing on instructions to Pat, which was outrageous.
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UEFA don't rectify any mistakes. Abidal was sent off for no reason too last year and had to accomplish the ban, as all the players. Refs are human and do mistakes. The impact of sending off RVP is no more than the impact on the first leg match when Sczelny wasn't sent off and 1 legal goal wasn't allowed to barcelona. It's absurd trying to justify things for one single ref decision when the refs did mistakes for both teams, and probably benefited Arsenal overall in the whole round.

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Let's face it, Mourinho ended a ref's career (Anders Firsk) by accusing him of walking out of Barça's dressing room talking to Rijkaard. As a result, the Swedish ref got death treats from Chelsea's hooligans and decided to retire. How was Mourinho's irresponsible act dealt with? Was he punished at all?
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Mourinho is a dick and in my oppinion deserves very long bans for all the shit he says everyday. It's the kind of person I don't like to see in football. Someone who creates violence and then plays the victim. Pathetic. Wenger is pure class and someone who is respected by practically everybody. Maybe UEFA was harsh with his ban (though I think after the clash with Barcelona he didn't act right and should have shut up about the ref, as he was clearly benefited in the first match), but I think he deserved a ban for what he said. I think you're right in the sense that next to Mourinho's rants or other things that have happened, UEFA are being more harsh with Wenger. That, I agree totally. But that doesn't prove any kind of conspiracy or UEFA hate towards Arsenal. A lot of other teams can complain about a lot more things.

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Now if you want to talk about refs mistakes, it seems you have a selective memory yourself. Even though I don't like Mourinho, I have to agree with him on something: Barcelona has been clearly favoured in UEFA CL recently. What about that game against Cheslea in Stamford Bridge (that Drogba f*cking disgrace rant). How many penalties were Chelsea denied? 3 or 4?
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I knew you would talk about that. All bitter fans always have to talk about it. In that match at Stamford Bridge, I think that 2 penalties should have been awarded to Chelsea. The others weren't at all. But you forget Abidal was sent off for nothing (Anelka dived), so Barcelona had to play with 10 men. And you clearly IGNORE that in the first leg of that round the ref missed a blatant penalty to Henry (and 2 red card to Chelsea players). So overall in the round, yes, Barcelona was favoured by the refs, but not that much, and probably in the first leg things could have been very very different. But the media and some very bitter fans have been telling the part of the story they want for their interest.

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What about 2010 when Thiago Motta got sent off for absolutely nothing and Inter had to play with 10 men (and still managed to beat Barça)?
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And then again you have selective memory... What about the match at San Siro? Barcelona was disallowed a goal with 0-1. The 3-1 inter goal was in a clear off-side of Milito (3 meters off-side, by the way) and the ref ignored a blatant penalty to Alves. So, yes, the sending off of Motta was a big mistake (Busquets is a cunt), but overall the refs did a lot more mistakes against Barcelona. The reason why people talk about refs and Barcelona is simply because it's a brilliant team and wins practically all the matches. That means that in 2 or 3 matches in a whole season, Barcelona will win some matches with dodgy refs decisions. But what media won't tell is the amount of matches that Barcelona wins EVEN if the referee benefits the other team.

In the last 50 matches of Barcelona in the CL, how many matches did Barcelona win because of the refs? 2, 3? And how many matches did Barcelona had to suffer bad refs? Do you know that?
There are no conspiracies and no teams clearly benefited in the CL. At all. Only human mistakes by the refs. And only bitterness and the will to justify anything by the likes of Mourinho. He's a master at that.

The only thing is that when a team wins 90% of the matches in a season, it's obvious that some matches will have dodgy decisions. It's pure statistics. What about Arsenal unbeaten season? There were no dodgy decísions in any match? Should we talk about refs conspiracies then? I think it was a big team, a great team, and to me football is first.

Rentboy said:
I can't blame Mourinho's bitterness when he says Guardiola is still to win a CL trophy in a fair manner. You're getting decisions in your favour. No wonder you like Platini as the head of UEFA :P
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I'm sorry to hear that. Really. Mourinho is an idiot and what he said about Guardiola was pathetic. Anyone giving credit to his words it's just a fanboy.

Mourinho won a CL with Porto with VERY dodgy decisions in the semifinal against Deportivo. Should Mourinho be ashamed of that tile as well? Mourinho bitterness is that of a bad loser.

Should Sacchi return also his CL trophy because there was a wrong ref deicison at the Bernabeu 20 years ago?

Has any team won any trophy without a single decision in favor? Do you really think Barcelona has not been the fair winner in 2009 and 2011? Really? It's very sad to hear that, then.

About the UEFA conspiracies, do you remember how Barcelona had to go by bus for 25 hours to go to Milan to play the CL semifinal against Inter in 2010, because of the volcano, arriving to Milan only 3 hours before the match? UEFA could have postponed at least 1 day the match, as they DID indeed for teams that had to play far from home. Did they? Nope.

We're getting as many decisions in our favor as we have against. It's simply that we win a lot. The media won't talk about the matches that Barcelona wins even if the ref was against them. That doesn't sell newspapers.

Overall, I think the biggest teams always drag critics that can't stand the situation for some reason.
 
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PS: and completely off-topic now: who do you prefer Zidane or Platini? I think i might prefer Platini although i always loved Zidane...
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That question is too easy, it's Zidane! Zidane imposed himself on world football at the very highest stage. World Cup final 1998, those two headers, Champions League final 2002(?) the Leverkusen game in Glasgow, that volley, the WC quarter final in 2006 (where he ran the midfield vs Brazil). Platini was a good player but I dont think he drove the French and Juventus teams forward in the same way as Zidane drove the French team (esp in 2006, when the rest of the squad was not great) and Real Madrid forward a decade ago. As you say Platini had great players around him (Tigana, Giresse, Luiz Fernandes in France, Tardelli, Prandelli, Bononi in Juventus) which were of a similar level, whereas Zidane was a player above every other player in those France and Real Madrid squads.

At the moment people talk about Messi greatest player of all time, he's a good player I would say he's of the level of Platini. But at the commercial machine (giant brand) of Barcelona he's very well marketed. I think he's got a long way to go before he can fill Zidane's or Maradona's boots.
 
I think it's been said but if their was a match which decided the worlds fate your first pick would be Zidane, probably the greatest big game player of all time.

Messi's better than Platini Edmundo, taking nothing away from Platini but his consistency in goals AND general play is probably not going to be matched and no one before him has come close to that.
 
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Wins a win, not very convincing, but still early days with our new boys. Will have Song and Gervinho back now, so onwards and upwards hopefully.
 
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