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But im right though. time and time again we smack all teams infront of us during the first 3/4 of a season and then when it matters we fuck up and play like retards.

Gervinho can bang it hatricks all day if we wants but if he cant bang in that winning goal that lands us a trophy whats the point.

No on remembers how sexy we play football or how many goals RVP scored this year. people remember the guys lifting trophies
 
@Jonney
totally agree with you!
Pretty football and goals are useless if we dont win trophies!

PS.I think we need to change our game when Chamakh is on the field and provide crosses, but i guess Wenger have tried it and it havent been succesfull just couse our players almost all the time in trainings train short passes!
 
Yea. time will tell come march-may.

anything achieved prior to that is mute imo.

i actually think we will stuff both liverpool and united this august in our first games but the question is, can we stuff them in the second time we play them or in a knockout round in a cup?

hope Wenger instigates a winning mentality in our side.
 
jonneymendoza said:
But im right though. time and time again we smack all teams infront of us during the first 3/4 of a season and then when it matters we fuck up and play like retards.

Gervinho can bang it hatricks all day if we wants but if he cant bang in that winning goal that lands us a trophy whats the point.

No on remembers how sexy we play football or how many goals RVP scored this year. people remember the guys lifting trophies
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girts1204 said:
@Jonney
totally agree with you!
Pretty football and goals are useless if we dont win trophies!

PS.I think we need to change our game when Chamakh is on the field and provide crosses, but i guess Wenger have tried it and it havent been succesfull just couse our players almost all the time in trainings train short passes!
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I agree.The real problem is not that Arsenal do win trophies, it's just that they do not mount a serious challenge for a long time anymore.Before getting the trophies you have to realistically campaign for them and these last few years Arsenal always has a very bad 2nd half of the season.Dropping points against teams they should beat or the very least draw against.
The Carling Cup despite being a Mickey Mouse trophy would have instilled a more competitive state of mind into the Arsenal players.
If you take the current squad, there aren't many players who have won trophies.It's really important to have that thirst, to know that thirst
 
PLF said:
Chamakh is quality!

He played great in 1st half and when van Persie came back, he played all the time which is good because van persie is also quality! And Maroaune was limited to substitute appearances late on for 10-15 mins and sometimes not even that as Wenger would keep bringing on Bendtner! And also Chamakh needs great crosses! The guy's a BEAST in the air (one of the best) but Arsenal rarely cross the ball or when they do very well (Sagna rare exception), so he wasn't getting the service he needs.

He's a very good player and a very good forward. No doubt about it.
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Yeah I really don't understand people talking like he is a flop. he has one season and started that season really well. He faded at the end of the season and admitted he was getting used to the Premiership.

I expect to see more consistancy from him this season with a good preseason behind him and the previous years experience.

I have high hopes for him.
 
never was a flop to me in the early stages he did well and our approach changed with robin back and Chamahk`s game plan couldnt quite adapt so he struggle to make a good impact with 10min at every game he had to work with :COAT: He was a Free transfer great for us no?
 
bebo said:
never was a flop to me in the early stages he did well and our approach changed with robin back and Chamahk`s game plan couldnt quite adapt so he struggle to make a good impact with 10min at every game he had to work with :COAT: He was a Free transfer great for us no?
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Exactly, I brought it up before and was laughing at the article who said he cost us £15M. It's an absolutely awesome deal to get such player on a free. Very dangerous in the air, as long as we put in some decent crosses for him.
I remember Bordeaux could've taken £7M earlier, but refused to sell and saw him go for free.
Now that's exactly what the Nasri situation is for us. If we don't sell him now, he will go for free next season, no doubt about it!
Arseblog reckons Wenger is waiting on Fabregas' deadline. If he stays, Nasri goes. But I think Nasri should go anyway, especially for £20M. Sell him and get Mata promptly.
 
Gate sales must be low for the Emirates Cup this year (not surprised), as i received 2 free tickets to the game on Saturday via Arsenal.com and my work is even doing a buy one ticket, get one free. Don't think Fab will be playing as he's still 'injured'..
 
Things are starting to take shape for your playoff round, in terms of who you might face.

- You can't face Bayern, Lyons or Villareal as they are seeded (along with yourselves)

- You could face Udinese as they are confirmed as unseeded

- Of the remaining ties, one winner will be seeded:

Benfica(1st) v Trabzonspor (9th)
Kiev (2nd) v Rubin (6th)
Odense (8th) v Panathks. (3rd)
Twente (4th) v Vaslui (10th)
St. Liège (5th) v Zuerich (7th)

So if Benfica win, they become the last seeded team, and you can't play them whatever happens. But if they lose, Kiev would become the seeded team (assuming they win, and they probably wont as they're 2-0 down from the first leg, both being away goals), so most likely the seed is going to be Benfica or at an outside chance Panathinikos.

This means the other match winners will be seeded, so you could be likely to play one of :

- Rubin (2-0 up)
- Twente (2-0 up)
- winner of Liege or Zuerich (yet to play)
- winner of Odense or Panathnks. (yet to play, but if Panathinkos win you can only play them if Benfica wins and takes the last seeded place)
- Trabzonspor (if they somehow beat Benfica, which is unlikely).
- Udinese (already through but unseeded)

Of the teams above I would say Rubin would be the hardest team for Arsenal to face, then Panathinikos. Bear in mind that Rubin are already in the middle of the Russian season so are 100% up to match fitness. On the other hand Udinese, like a lot of Italian teams, might struggle with fitness issues in August (as their season starts late).
 
cfdh_edmundo said:
Things are starting to take shape for your playoff round, in terms of who you might face.

- You can't face Bayern, Lyons or Villareal as they are seeded (along with yourselves)

- You could face Udinese as they are confirmed as unseeded

- Of the remaining ties, one winner will be seeded:

Benfica(1st) v Trabzonspor (9th)
Kiev (2nd) v Rubin (6th)
Odense (8th) v Panathks. (3rd)
Twente (4th) v Vaslui (10th)
St. Liège (5th) v Zuerich (7th)

So if Benfica win, they become the last seeded team, and you can't play them whatever happens. But if they lose, Kiev would become the seeded team (assuming they win, and they probably wont as they're 2-0 down from the first leg, both being away goals), so most likely the seed is going to be Benfica or at an outside chance Panathinikos.

This means the other match winners will be seeded, so you could be likely to play one of :

- Rubin (2-0 up)
- Twente (2-0 up)
- winner of Liege or Zuerich (yet to play)
- winner of Odense or Panathnks. (yet to play, but if Panathinkos win you can only play them if Benfica wins and takes the last seeded place)
- Trabzonspor (if they somehow beat Benfica, which is unlikely).
- Udinese (already through but unseeded)

Of the teams above I would say Rubin would be the hardest team for Arsenal to face, then Panathinikos. Bear in mind that Rubin are already in the middle of the Russian season so are 100% up to match fitness. On the other hand Udinese, like a lot of Italian teams, might struggle with fitness issues in August (as their season starts late).
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I miss these detailed posts from you mate. Good old days... (where's my pipe and slippers) :D
 
I've just heard a rumour that Arsenal are after CMF/DMF Lucas Biglia from Anderlecht.
This i a player i really like, but not the sort of player Arsenal need IMO.
Biglia is injury prone and he's no real winner, he is a rather timid kind of player...Arsenal need a beast like Van Bommel in midfield and Biglia is not that kind of player (he certainly has qualities: a very stylish player, reminds me a litle bit of Redondo, although he's not that good).
 
cheers cfdh_edmundo I wasn`t even worried until you said something :COAT:

gerd on Arsenal news now we are linked with about 10 players No CM or GK nor Fullbacks. The media n blogs are guessing. I even saw that we made a bid for Mata and met their buyout price. Spurs made a bid too! about Lucas I read we are ready to bid for the Argentinian that plays for Anderlecht. Althought we made a bid for the teenager Luk £14m :YAWN:
 
Why is Wegner after all these second strikers? Mata is a decent improvement but not needed as much as the other positions.
 
Zeem said:
Why is Wegner after all these second strikers? Mata is a decent improvement but not needed as much as the other positions.
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Well, I think Mata IS an improvement over Arshavin right now. But I agree that the players Arsenal need are still missing even in the rumours. Arsenal needs to be able to splash 40 M€ for Aguero, for example. That is a kind of player that you really need. Or Pastore, to name some. I know the market is harsh and Arsenal is trying to play fair in it, but I get very disappointed year in year out when I see that the squad never makes the last jump.

Wenger ends up spending 40 M€ for a bunch of young average players but buying potential quality is not the same as buying proven quality. Come on, buy two great 25 M€ players last season, for example, and 2 more this one, and in 2-3 years you have a great competitive squad to cotend for the title!

Sorry, I'm getting a little anxious at seeing that all the teams are being reinforced yet Arsenal, once again, seems to be.... doing nothing?
 
drekkard said:
Sorry, I'm getting a little anxious at seeing that all the teams are being reinforced yet Arsenal, once again, seems to be.... doing nothing?
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We are all anxious, if even you are, imagine the club's supporters... I think only Bobby is chilled right now :D

The Cesc and Nasri situations make it all the more desperating. I still think one of them will go this season, yet the club is too quiet so far...

On another note: our Irish youngster Henderson is ruled out for 6 months! Which in Arsenal's medical terms, means 1 full season :(
 
drekkard said:
Well, I think Mata IS an improvement over Arshavin right now. But I agree that the players Arsenal need are still missing even in the rumours. Arsenal needs to be able to splash 40 M€ for Aguero, for example. That is a kind of player that you really need. Or Pastore, to name some. I know the market is harsh and Arsenal is trying to play fair in it, but I get very disappointed year in year out when I see that the squad never makes the last jump.

Wenger ends up spending 40 M€ for a bunch of young average players but buying potential quality is not the same as buying proven quality. Come on, buy two great 25 M€ players last season, for example, and 2 more this one, and in 2-3 years you have a great competitive squad to cotend for the title!

Sorry, I'm getting a little anxious at seeing that all the teams are being reinforced yet Arsenal, once again, seems to be.... doing nothing?
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By the sound of the rumours he is going for defenders aswell, I think the only position I haven't heard him go for is the DMC position. If the rumours are to be believed?

Also has he spent 40million on a bunch of young average players?

I really don't think we are that far away from being in contention for the title. You are implying that we need 4 more 25mill players and then in 2-3years be contenders?! I think you are undervaluing the team somewhat.

I don't think our team are the greatest of course, all evidence suggests otherwise, but I do think we are only maybe 2-3 players away from having a team that can easily contend for the title right now.

Also alot of the games we lost last season, we were the better team, we just didn't put away our chances, so there is an argument of getting better attacking players that can be more direct and put away the chances they are given mor often? If we had proper replacements for Arshavin (when he can't be bothered to play for a while) or Walcott (when he inevitably gets injured) then that might not be a bad thing at all.

Our defence is not that bad compared to other teams, just that our Goalkeepers and defenders have made a few high profile gaffs that have cost us which gives us this reputation. But if you look at the stats we are not half as bad as everybody makes out.

If Scez can command the box and Vermaelan comes back strong, we can easily have a good back half of our team to complement our attacking play.

Anyway, I know I am the only positive one in here, so I won't keep going on :DD
 
BobbyBox said:
Also has he spent 40million on a bunch of young average players?

I really don't think we are that far away from being in contention for the title. You are implying that we need 4 more 25mill players and then in 2-3years be contenders?! I think you are undervaluing the team somewhat.
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Well, yes, I undervalued the squad, you're right there. But I stand that Arsenal needs at least 2-3 world class players to be title contenders. When I said 2 years I wasn't being literal. I mean, you signed Gervinho and that is a greeat signing. You need to add 2-3 more like him at key positions to have a brilliant and deep enough squad to go for silverware. It could be done this summer at once or in the span of 2 years, but spending big and without those world class signings I can't see how Arsenal is going to fight for the big prizes.

I'm not saying Arsenal can't win! The current team is good enough to beat anyone on a good day, but in my oppinion is not competitive and veteran enough to win key matches.

The last years it has always been the same. Brilliant football at the start, when all the pieces are fresh and there's less pression to win. Then as the season goes on, injuries and the accumulated fatigue start to undermine the team and by the end of the season the team is dragging through mud. That would be different with 2-3 world class players added to the already excellent squad.

Rotating the team currently is key in all clubs with seasons with up to 70 matches. You can't expect to win trophies with just 11-12 great players and just decent subs. Arsenal needs key signings in key positions such as CB, DMF, CM and ST to add depth to the bench and fight injuries.

This is the skeleton of the team and where money should go now, at least that's how I see it. I rate Arsenal as a Top 10 in the world right now (and probably in the Top 3 in terms of style), but I wouldn't bet anything on the team winning a single trophy with the current squad, even if Cesc remains.
 
The picture would be more realistic if he was wearing a Holland kit, since he only seems to get injured playing for them ;)

Benfica won 2-0 last night, Panathinikos and Zuerich have 1-1 away draws. The picture is beggining to narrow now and it looks like you will face one of:

Rubin,
Panathinikos,
Twente,
Udinese,
Zuerich.

Personally I'd rank them in that order too, with Rubin being the hardest and Zuerich being the easiest.
 
cfdh_edmundo said:
The picture would be more realistic if he was wearing a Holland kit, since he only seems to get injured playing for them ;)

Benfica won 2-0 last night, Panathinikos and Zuerich have 1-1 away draws. The picture is beggining to narrow now and it looks like you will face one of:

Rubin,
Panathinikos,
Twente,
Udinese,
Zuerich.

Personally I'd rank them in that order too, with Rubin being the hardest and Zuerich being the easiest.
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Definately going to be tricky, Imagine if we don't get through :SHOCK:
 
BobbyBox said:
Definately going to be tricky, Imagine if we don't get through :SHOCK:
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That's not the Bobby we know :LOL:

I think it would be quite unpleasant and a massive punishment for collapsing so ridiculously at the end of seasons. It would be a lesson nonetheless, and although it wouldn't be the end of the world, God forbid!

I think Rubin Kazan is the worst mostly because of the trip. That would mean an away match in Russia and then another away match at Old Trafford in the matter of 4 days...

I think Twente would be the least troublesome, including the logistic side of things.
 
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