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Thing is we aren't boasting about our squad depth even though on the evidence of our Carling Cup teams our depth has more quality than yours!

We are just happy to be where we are at this stage after 2 years of under achievement, if we are still here at Christmas I might start to believe we have a chance. At the moment though I am just enjoying being above everyone else after one third of the season, it feels good!
 
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Rune Edge said:
What a load of BS. You just sound like you're moaning cuz people arent kissing your ass enough. :roll:
First of all, no one thinks its in the bag for us.
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is that your final answer? how many quotes do you want to see , want video link ? or your just àving a go w/ words for argument sake
 
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Clockender said:
Thing is we aren't boasting about our squad depth even though on the evidence of our Carling Cup teams our depth has more quality than yours!
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Whats wrong with boasting about it when you actually have the squad depth to back it up? And you thinking your depth has more quality is just your opinion. Our squad won the title last year and the team we have now is a improvement on that squad with the players we've bought. You still have nothing to show with the squad you have. All your and everyone elses opinions come from the assumption that the seasons gonna end the way it began.
 
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The media does what it does... I notice that SAF kool-aid is being drunken a lot lately. After the Arsenal vs Manutd clash players/thread postings were saying the exact words "Arsenal didn`t create and 2 scrappy goals" were echoed through out. Then, SAF ; Foreign players ,AW is damaging England`s Squad echoed through out w/ coaches even mourinho came w/ the claim...no worries. SAF says Fabregas is not a great player he has not done anything(trophy wise) a bit sore our we , but through all these attacks to whind us up Arsenal has kept a classy response and that my friend is what I`m so proud of. Fab : SAF is right I`m not great I just love playing football at Arsenal..OUCH! well said

What`s next Ade and Sagna hair extension ?
 
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What's with all the United-Arsenal bickering? If you can't see that Arsenal are playing fantastic and beautiful football at the moment then you are not a football supporter. The thing is, Arsenal are winning their games playing this way now. They seem to have more punch in midfield and up-front, unlike last season. It's refreshing to see the Gooners up there again. If Liverpool were top of the league with their dire style of football then yes, I would be complaining. Right now, there is only one team that deserves to be top and that team plays in red and white.
 
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beboq said:
The media does what it does... I notice that SAF kool-aid is being drunken a lot lately. After the Arsenal vs Manutd clash players/thread postings were saying the exact words "Arsenal didn`t create and 2 scrappy goals" were echoed through out. Then, SAF ; Foreign players ,AW is damaging England`s Squad echoed through out w/ coaches even mourinho came w/ the claim...no worries. SAF says Fabregas is not a great player he has not done anything(trophy wise) a bit sore our we , but through all these attacks to whind us up Arsenal has kept a classy response and that my friend is what I`m so proud of. Fab : SAF is right I`m not great I just love playing football at Arsenal..OUCH! well said

What`s next Ade and Sagna hair extension ?
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First of all, your last goal was definately scrappy. You did create more chances than us but that was over shadowed by the way you managed to leave with a point. If it was level and you scored the winning goal at the end, the headlines would have been different. But the fact that you were behind and just about managed to keep up with us would obviously make a slightly negative headline. Go over to Sky Sports and check the poll they had after the game which asked who was happier with the result. Most said Arsenal cuz we thought it was in the bag on more than one occasion, you on the other hand were playing catch up regardless of how many chances you created.
Secondly, you can say what you want about how many foreign players we sign. The fact still remains that we have about 4 or 5 English players in our starting XI, while you can just about get 1 into your 16. Even Chelsea play Terry and Lampard in pretty much every game with a couple of others here and there like Joe and Ashley Cole, SWP, etc. If you think foreign players is the way to go then go ahead. Theres nothing stopping you. But dont expect people to never bring the issue up.
And funny how you can have a problem with Sir Alex thinking Fabregas isnt a great player when you yourself dont think very highly of one of our players, Wayne Rooney. Like I said before, you're only gonna agree if that player played for your team. I personally dont see much in Fabregas myself but thats cuz I dont care about the player. You obviously dont care about Rooney.

And if Sir Alex was actually boasting about his squad every day, he wouldnt be saying this:
http://www.skysports.com/story/0,19528,11667_2879275,00.html
 
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Both teams are playing well and the race for the premiership is good as a result.

Neither team has anything that can be seriously viewed in a negative light.
 
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vanzandt said:
Neither team has anything that can be seriously viewed in a negative light.
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Overall you're right. But after the game between the two sides, its obvious why it would be slightly negative against Arsenal.
 
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RuneEdge said:
Whats wrong with boasting about it when you actually have the squad depth to back it up? And you thinking your depth has more quality is just your opinion. Our squad won the title last year and the team we have now is a improvement on that squad with the players we've bought. You still have nothing to show with the squad you have. All your and everyone elses opinions come from the assumption that the seasons gonna end the way it began.
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My assumptions come from the fact our fringe players beat a full strength Newcastle team 2-0 in the Carling Cup, your fringe players lost 2-0 at home to full strength Coventry City team, thats all.
 
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RuneEdge said:
Overall you're right. But after the game between the two sides, its obvious why it would be slightly negative against Arsenal.
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Rune you could argue with your own shadow! :lol:

Most pundits and fans agreed that a draw was a fair result so why would it be negative to us?? We fought back and grabbed a a draw in injury time so of course we were happy but I don't think we deserved to lose the game. Don't think we deserved to win it either.
 
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Ok Rune I can`t follow you on every point..never went to say how many foreign players you sign. The fact of the matter is blaming AW for not having English players damaging England is crazy. I wasn`t upset w/ Fab not being label great..How long did it take paddy or TH14 I compare greatness w/ the past heroes of Arsenal Michael Thomas did a great ACT! \\:o/ but he wasn`t great..great. I like how Fab agreed w/ SAF and he said "I just love playing Football here ". I need not to defend Arsenal I`ve been gutted for 3 season straight gooners can take humility obviously some can`t. before you go and jump into conclusions stick to what`s being said I point out how SAF starts small fires so the media picks up on it. There`s nothing wrong w/ me pointing it out I`m sure SAF koolaid drinkers will still remain faithful to the media jibes
 
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He isnt placing all the blame on Wenger, he's just one of the reasons. And he has a fair point.
 
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Can't you just feel the love that rival fans share for each other :)
 
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RuneEdge said:
Overall you're right. But after the game between the two sides, its obvious why it would be slightly negative against Arsenal.
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You use the word 'obvious' and the only person it is obvious to is yourself and other Man U supporters. There is a bias in what you say and also in what we say - they are our teams. But this going back and forth is very tedious.

We had a Man U supporter in here giving a comparison of Rooney and Van persie. He had every honour Rooney has ever got and he missed out major Honours that Van Persie has got. He tried to prove his point this way - but it was totally biased - I think it was the most biased thing I have ever seen actually.

This just sums up alot of Man U supporters and their team - sour grapes!! Ferguson complaining about our crowd is ridiculous and petty. The only team that should be talked about in a negative way from that game should be United - end of story.
 
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YAWN! BOTH Arsenal and United are playing beautiful football and BOTH look unbeatable at the moment. Lets all hold hands. :)
 
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Plan M said:
YAWN! BOTH Arsenal and United are playing beautiful football and BOTH look unbeatable at the moment. Lets all hold hands. :)
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He isnt placing all the blame on Wenger, he's just one of the reasons. And he has a fair point.
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If so then he is placing SOME blame on Wenger, right? Ridiculous! Its not a fair point!

Let me ask you how many foreign players applied their trade in the English Leagues between 1966 and 1994? Compared to today it was a handful. How many World Cups did England win in that period? Exactly.

A bad English team is a result of the game being wrongly structured in this country from the ground up, its got nothing to do with the amount of foreign players in the premiership.

Better young English players = more English players in Premiership = Better England team.

I suggest you get the latest edition of 442 magazine, there is afine interview with Wenger and he has high hopes for our U17 english youngsters.
 
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Clockender said:
If so then he is placing SOME blame on Wenger, right? Ridiculous! Its not a fair point!

Let me ask you how many foreign players applied their trade in the English Leagues between 1966 and 1994? Compared to today it was a handful. How many World Cups did England win in that period? Exactly.

A bad English team is a result of the game being wrongly structured in this country from the ground up, its got nothing to do with the amount of foreign players in the premiership.

Better young English players = more English players in Premiership = Better England team.

I suggest you get the latest edition of 442 magazine, there is afine interview with Wenger and he has high hopes for our U17 english youngsters.
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Very true - The reality is. There are very few young English players that are good enough to play in the Premier league. If they were good enough they would play.

This is fundamentally a problem with us (Football in England) in producing these players. If you have to put in these players that aren't good enough then the quality of the premierleague will suffer greatly - So tell me, what is the point in it?

All we will have then is a shit Premierleague and a shit England team!! I would prefer to have a fantastic Premier league and an Alright England team. Because until things start improving with the young England players - then we are always going to have a mediocre English team.

If the players are good enough - they will play. Has nothing to do with where they come from.

I for one - living in London - feel that having English players etc isn't a big deal. London is multi cultural and so should our team be. When you bring all these cultures together then a greater understanding comes of these cultures - then the prejudices are eased and the world becomes a happier place - Arsene Wenger is actually making the world a better place :D
 
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The problem isnt about the quality of the players that are being brought up. Its obvious that the foreign players are better, thats why Wenger buys them.
The problem is that if you dont bring up English players, they arent gonna improve to the level we expect. How good was Lampard about 6-7 years ago? And how good is he today? Thats because he played games. If Abramovich had taken over Chelsea 6-7 years ago, Lampard would have most likely been an average player because he never got the chance. The best young English players these days come from the youth academies of smaller teams who cant afford to splash a lot of money on foreigners. Thats why they're so rare and thats why English teams choose to sell them for a much higher price than a foreigner of the same quality.
Wenger's arguement is that if they're better and cheaper somewhere else then why not. The English players might not be better than what you have but its a risk you have to take by playing them if you want them to improve.
At the end of the day, you have to decide if you want to only look out for your club or do you think its right to sacrifice that for the country you play in. And I'll admit, not every team has the right balance between the two, but we're all trying to play a part. Arsenal arent.
 
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RuneEdge said:
The problem isnt about the quality of the players that are being brought up. Its obvious that the foreign players are better, thats why Wenger buys them.
The problem is that if you dont bring up English players, they arent gonna improve to the level we expect. How good was Lampard about 6-7 years ago? And how good is he today? Thats because he played games. If Abramovich had taken over Chelsea 6-7 years ago, Lampard would have most likely been an average player because he never got the chance. The best young English players these days come from the youth academies of smaller teams who cant afford to splash a lot of money on foreigners. Thats why they're so rare and thats why English teams choose to sell them for a much higher price than a foreigner of the same quality.
Wenger's arguement is that if they're better and cheaper somewhere else then why not. The English players might not be better than what you have but its a risk you have to take by playing them if you want them to improve.
At the end of the day, you have to decide if you want to only look out for your club or do you think its right to sacrifice that for the country you play in. And I'll admit, not every team has the right balance between the two, but we're all trying to play a part. Arsenal arent.
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Tell me Rune, why should Arsenal care about helping the English national team?

Sacrifice for the national team? What are you on ffs!

Interviewer: Arsene you must be gutted, to lose the league like that on goal difference on the last day, what are your thoughts?

Wenger: Well errr, I could of played my first eleven but errr I thought I would risk it today and play the youth team, who incidentally are all English so that we can help make England the best in the World again.

Interviewer: Do you blame Smith for the goal that lost you the game and the title?

Wenger: Well errr yes, he's got potential but to attempt a back pass from there wasn't the right thing to do. The fact that the keeper, our England u-17 international let it through his legs is immaterial. Anyway this is good experience for them at the end of the day.

Interviewer: Bad luck Arsene, maybe if you hadn't played the youth team in your final 10 games everything would have been ok.

Arsene: Well err thats life I guess. But at least England will win the World Cup in 4 years time! I send my congratulations to Man Utd on their title win, especially Tevez who I understand was the difference today scoring a hat-trick.

Interviewer: Thanks Arsene
 
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RuneEdge said:
The problem isnt about the quality of the players that are being brought up. Its obvious that the foreign players are better, thats why Wenger buys them.
The problem is that if you dont bring up English players, they arent gonna improve to the level we expect. How good was Lampard about 6-7 years ago? And how good is he today? Thats because he played games. If Abramovich had taken over Chelsea 6-7 years ago, Lampard would have most likely been an average player because he never got the chance. The best young English players these days come from the youth academies of smaller teams who cant afford to splash a lot of money on foreigners. Thats why they're so rare and thats why English teams choose to sell them for a much higher price than a foreigner of the same quality.
Wenger's arguement is that if they're better and cheaper somewhere else then why not. The English players might not be better than what you have but its a risk you have to take by playing them if you want them to improve.
At the end of the day, you have to decide if you want to only look out for your club or do you think its right to sacrifice that for the country you play in. And I'll admit, not every team has the right balance between the two, but we're all trying to play a part. Arsenal arent.
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To be honest I care about my club a thousand times more than I do about my country. My club is who I support all year round - I resent having international breaks.

England have only won a world cup when I wasn't born - they haven't won anything else since.

England have arguably had their strongest team since 1966 (talking about individual players ability) since the premiership has started and the influx of foriegners. Especially the squad we had before last world cup and now - we have many world class players - but we do fuck all.

So please why the hell would it be better for the England team if we had less foreigners? Its absolute rubbish and has no foundation!!

The truth is we had a shit England team before the influx of foreiners and we have a shit team now!!
 
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You can't blame Arsenal, their coach or foreign players for how badly England have performed over the last few years. You can only blame the ENGLAND coach and the ENGLAND players.
 
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Plan M said:
You can't blame Arsenal, their coach or foreign players for how badly England have performed over the last few years. You can only blame the ENGLAND coach and the ENGLAND players.
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Logical and coherent, where on earth do you think such language will get you...hey! :lol: or should that be :cry: given I am an England fan?

You get a person like you coming and saying something that makes sense that is patently true, I think it is a disgrace :lol: I mean :cry:
 
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Also do you really think a Scottish Manager gives a flying Fuck about his team helping out England?
 
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Clockender said:
Tell me Rune, why should Arsenal care about helping the English national team?
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No one's forcing you to care. Its a choice you make. You chose not to and now people point the finger at you. You can't have it both ways. If you dont want to do it then fine but dont expect people to not be annoyed with it. :roll:
 
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RuneEdge said:
No one's forcing you to care. Its a choice you make. You chose not to and now people point the finger at you. You can't have it both ways. If you dont want to do it then fine but dont expect people to not be annoyed with it. :roll:
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This sounds like an argument put to an old lady in a nursing home, suggesting that she may want to go into a nusing home- by her "oh so caring children" who might like to keep the house :lmao::lmao:
 
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After the weekend I want to ask about your views...
Did Fabregas get booked intentionally for Wigan game at Emirates? Brilliant move? or youth (error)?


Cmon Israel ...Well England is my national team(that I support ;) ...Dominican Republic never qualifies :D
 
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vanzandt said:
This sounds like an argument put to an old lady in a nursing home, suggesting that she may want to go into a nusing home- by her "oh so caring children" who might like to keep the house :lmao::lmao:
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:lol:
Its not like that. Its technically not against the rules but its still kinda unethical. Its like if a player gets seriously injured during a game. Most teams would knock the ball out for a throw in so the player recieves treatment and keep the game a fair and even contest. Technically you can carry on playing until the ball is out of play but you can't chose to play on and not expect to get some stick for it.
 
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