Arsenal Thread

[RuneEdge]

How old is a player then Rune before they are considered not a young player anymore, in your opinion?

People are considered "old" at different ages depending on the sport and sometimes even within football. For example, people say outfield players reach their prime at abot 29-30 whereas goalkeepers reach it at 32-35.
25-26 might seem old to you but to me its young cuz theres still more potential that can be reached. Which is why when Ronaldinho plays (I think he's about 26), commentators usually say "He's still 26" every now and then.
Terry, Joe and Ashley Cole can improve so many would still consider them as young players.

 

[x X t o c z.]

You insolent child,

..lol.

 

[bebo]

People are considered "old" at different ages depending on the sport and sometimes even within football. For example, people say outfield players reach their prime at abot 29-30 whereas goalkeepers reach it at 32-35.
25-26 might seem old to you but to me its young cuz theres still more potential that can be reached. Which is why when Ronaldinho plays (I think he's about 26), commentators usually say "He's still 26" every now and then.
Terry, Joe and Ashley Cole can improve so many would still consider them as young players.

whatever happen to Fowler...he was a good player at 18 ,but slowly he decline and Owen seem to be ???

 

[Clockender]

People are considered "old" at different ages depending on the sport and sometimes even within football. For example, people say outfield players reach their prime at abot 29-30 whereas goalkeepers reach it at 32-35.
25-26 might seem old to you but to me its young cuz theres still more potential that can be reached. Which is why when Ronaldinho plays (I think he's about 26), commentators usually say "He's still 26" every now and then.
Terry, Joe and Ashley Cole can improve so many would still consider them as young players.

Just to clear this up, I didn't say 25-26 was old I just said it wasn't young. We will have to agree to disagree that John Terry can be considered a young player. Theo Walcott is a young player, not Terry IMO.

 

[Alucard]

@bebo i find name calling a lot better than insulting someone's morals and personal beliefs... name calling is nothing... its pure emotion... but insulting someone's belief's is ruining a person's identity... fck him...

Right and calling me a nationalist nazi isnt insulting someones belief. My family are not even from this country and I have heritege from all over the world you stupid yankee doodle twat ass spastic trailer park cunt. As I said this is over. I cant be bothered to deal with lowlife like yourself who are so up far themselves to throw round calling people nationalist just because they dont agree that thats its ok to put out a team in a english league with no english homegrown players.

 

[RuneEdge]

Just to clear this up, I didn't say 25-26 was old I just said it wasn't young. We will have to agree to disagree that John Terry can be considered a young player. Theo Walcott is a young player, not Terry IMO.

Whether you call it "old" or "not young", theres no denying that players like Terry, Joe Cole, Ashley Cole, etc can improve their game.
And by playing these players at Chelsea, Mourinho is helping out the English national side. Something that isnt done (or atleast not enough) at Arsenal.

 

[Ad16]

what's the difference in developing a 17 year old player from Brazil and that from England? the only difference is that the players are from different countries... now if you can't give a perfectly good reason why it should be required to develop English talent rather than Brazilian or French talent... then you have nothing to argue about... ur just being a nationalist scum with an inferiority complex...

Err... what has Alucard said to warrant this bollocks. He is completely right about the need for homegrown players. There is nothing wrong with foreign players in the league, but in moderation.

And there is an obvious difference between a 17 year old Brazilian and a young lad from England who has grown up around our football culture and supported his team from a young age.

It is idiotic and offensive to say he is "nationalist scum". Which I suppose I must be also, seeing as I agree with what he is trying to say? :roll:

 

[antred]

Where on this forum does it say I hate scousers? Find the quote where I said that. You are just attention seeking because I did not respond to your stupid moronic childish post.

And just to sum up Alucards stupidity here and to quote from the liverpool thread:

At least for your shithole of team and area of thieving, rat munching, bin dipping, kiddy fiddling, work dodging, slum dwelling mongrels, is a consolation and realistic target for a 3rd place finish. Do you know Ive spoken to some liverpolians who seem think fat pie eating rafa has managed 2nd place before! He hasn’t in fact, check the record.

doesnt sound like you hate us much does it. no i thought not.

You are truly an idiot of the highest highest order, your posts hold no merit whatsoever, you make yourself look foolish and stupid with your rants. I think the best policy for you is to try and get some semblance of credibility back.

 

[antred]

Right and calling me a nationalist nazi isnt insulting someones belief. My family are not even from this country and I have heritege from all over the world you stupid yankee doodle twat ass spastic trailer park cunt. As I said this is over. I cant be bothered to deal with lowlife like yourself who are so up far themselves to throw round calling people nationalist just because they dont agree that thats its ok to put out a team in a english league with no english homegrown players.

What a surprise. so your not from manchester then?

 

[antred]

Err... what has Alucard said to warrant this bollocks. He is completely right about the need for homegrown players. There is nothing wrong with foreign players in the league, but in moderation.

And there is an obvious difference between a 17 year old Brazilian and a young lad from England who has grown up around our football culture and supported his team from a young age.

It is idiotic and offensive to say he is "nationalist scum". Which I suppose I must be also, seeing as I agree with what he is trying to say? :roll:

Thats fine in theory but young english players these days are lacking in quality. Only a handful are considered good enough, and those are extortionately priced.

 

[Ad16]

Thats fine in theory but young english players these days are lacking in quality. Only a handful are considered good enough, and those are extortionately priced.

I understand this point antred. But I still think some clubs could make more of an effort in taking advantage of young kids in local areas who are mad on the game. If they are nurtured enough from a young age, you will get quality players.

 

[MO_DINERO]

:lol: Why do you lot get wound up by Alucard you can't take this twisted cunt seriously, surely?

Interests:
Eating babies, Draining Souls of their life force. Enjoying the sound of razors going through flesh

Occupation:
Self Employed Cocksucker :lmao:

 

[marukomu]

What a surprise. so your not from manchester then?

oh come on mate. Not that old chestnut. Try counting the Irish coaches at Anfield for the next game.

 

[MARC110]

postpond dam match has bin set up for 9th of jan boys


got liverpool in fa cup on 6th so it should be fun

 

[antred]

oh come on mate. Not that old chestnut. Try counting the Irish coaches at Anfield for the next game.

they fly mate.

i know clubs have plenty of out of townies, us being no exception, i just think Alucard needs to take stock before he starts throwing insults about and getting all high and mighty when he doesnt even hail from there.

At least you come from there. I fail to see how anyone can *hate* a type of person just because they come from a certain place. yeah i have a dislike of my rivals on the footy pitch, but i dont apply that to all manchester people. No wonder the games these days are so full of hate. And i say that for BOTH SIDES.

 

[Alucard]

Antred your quotes mean nothing. I was merely describing the area and people that it usually attracts. There is no slight mention me saying or indicating all hatred of scousers. If I describe London as a coperate capital dump filled with middle class cocaine snorting addicted fiends. It doesnt necessary mean I hate all londoners. So dont twist it to suit your own desire of making me look like some monster that hates everyone you shrivelled cretinous old deluded fool.

 

[Alucard]

:lol: Why do you lot get wound up by Alucard you can't take this twisted cunt seriously, surely?

Interests:
Eating babies, Draining Souls of their life force. Enjoying the sound of razors going through flesh

Occupation:
Self Employed Cocksucker :lmao:

How sad. You actually took the time to look at my profile and take it all literally like a pestilent mindless dog.

 

[Ad16]

STOP, HOLD PRESS

OK why don't we all stop this bickering and get back to talking about what this thread is for, Arsenal football club. These club threads are a joke, do people actually talk about proper football matters.

It should not take a non supporter to do this but it seems no one else is interested so I will anyway.

The Reyes and Baptista topic. What will become of these two players, what do Arsenal fans think about the issue, and what would you like to happen?

http://www.thesun.co.uk/article/0,,2002390000-2006580769,00.html

Discuss.

 

[Alucard]

Thats fine in theory but young english players these days are lacking in quality. Only a handful are considered good enough, and those are extortionately priced.

Bollocks. Look back up the page gramps if your eye sight hasnt failed you yet and you'll see I listed many good homegrown english players who are doing very well for their club and are not extortionately priced.

 

[bebo]

I will love T.Adam here....Reyes is so good ashame,Bap needs time :roll:

@AD16 one day your backing me the next your thrashing me and your neutral to what throwing punches

 

[antred]

Antred your quotes mean nothing. I was merely describing the area and people that it usually attracts. There is no slight mention me saying or indicating all hatred of scousers. If I describe London as a coperate capital dump filled with middle class cocaine snorting addicted fiends. It doesnt necessary mean I hate all londoners. So dont twist it to suit your own desire of making me look like some monster that hates everyone you shrivelled cretinous old deluded fool.

sad kid, sad, sad kid

 

[Ad16]

@AD16 one day your backing me the next your thrashing me and your neutral to what throwing punches

Sorry if it appears like that bebo. Nothing against you pal, Sometimes I agree with you and sometimes I don't thats all. About the Lehmann comment I made, I just said it because you mentioned Giggs, to show that it works both ways.

I am a neutral club supporter, and don't mind people throwing the occasional punches against each other. But when they turn into essay length posts its gone a bit far don't you think?

 

[antred]

Bollocks. Look back up the page gramps if your eye sight hasnt failed you yet and you'll see I listed many good homegrown english players who are doing very well for their club and are not extortionately priced.

Andy Johnson - 8million
Defoe - 7million
Lennon - Undisclosed but probably chicken feed
King - Brought through the ranks and doesnt go clubbing and drinking
Micheal Dawson- chicken feed
Tom Huddlestone- great prospect and purchased with chicken feed
Jamiaine Jenus- Originally purchased for 5million from nottingham forest
Bullard - 2million
Routledge- chicken feed
Scott Parker - 6million
Reo coker- homegrown player, captain of U21 hardly see in the tabloads drinking in nightclubs
Dean Aston - 7million
Robert Green - young english goalkeeper, england international, bought for chicken feed
Darren Bent - 2million
Joe Cole - 6million
Lampard - 11million

er.. Andy Johnson is at Everton and has played for Birmingham and Crystal Palace, hardly top of the pile there. Defoe struggles to get a game for spurs most of the time. I'll give you Lennon.
King ok ill give you that one Dawson was expensive for a Championship player, Huddlestone has only just been seen so you cant say anything about him yet, Jermain Jenas is overrated, Bullard and Routledge are average hence why they played for lower teams, Parker was flogged cheaply to Newcastle so no rivals could get their hands on him, Reo Coker isnt homegrown, he was bought from Mk Dons, Dean Ashton is expensive at 7 million for a former championship player, Green is again average, Darrent Bent ill give you that but he's not exactly been mindblowing this season has he? Joe Cole and lampard where expensive signings at the time as west ham where relegated at the time.

And even so, how many players is that out of the whole leagues? Its a poor return whichever way you look at it.

Most of those players broke through several years ago. I cant think of many that have broken through at 18,19 and 20 bar Rooney that you can say are going to really excel and probably become a class above.

 

[bebo]

EPL is the world stage of football...look at the CL ,it brings in the best of the world to play in it...Bryan Mcbride is old but he the top Yank in America and he holdup barely for Fulham

 

[Alucard]

Andy Johnson - 8million
Defoe - 7million
Lennon - Undisclosed but probably chicken feed
King - Brought through the ranks and doesnt go clubbing and drinking
Micheal Dawson- chicken feed
Tom Huddlestone- great prospect and purchased with chicken feed
Jamiaine Jenus- Originally purchased for 5million from nottingham forest
Bullard - 2million
Routledge- chicken feed
Scott Parker - 6million
Reo coker- homegrown player, captain of U21 hardly see in the tabloads drinking in nightclubs
Dean Aston - 7million
Robert Green - young english goalkeeper, england international, bought for chicken feed
Darren Bent - 2million
Joe Cole - 6million
Lampard - 11million

er.. Andy Johnson is at Everton and has played for Birmingham and Crystal Palace, hardly top of the pile there. Defoe struggles to get a game for spurs most of the time. I'll give you Lennon.
King ok ill give you that one Dawson was expensive for a Championship player, Huddlestone has only just been seen so you cant say anything about him yet, Jermain Jenas is overrated, Bullard and Routledge are average hence why they played for lower teams, Parker was flogged cheaply to Newcastle so no rivals could get their hands on him, Reo Coker isnt homegrown, he was bought from Mk Dons, Dean Ashton is expensive at 7 million for a former championship player, Green is again average, Darrent Bent ill give you that but he's not exactly been mindblowing this season has he? Joe Cole and lampard where expensive signings at the time as west ham where relegated at the time.

And even so, how many players is that out of the whole leagues? Its a poor return whichever way you look at it.

Most of those players broke through several years ago. I cant think of many that have broken through at 18,19 and 20 bar Rooney that you can say are going to really excel and probably become a class above.

The point is not that they are at a mid-table club, the point is they are good english players regardless if they playe for eveton or west ham. Your argument that they play for average teams is irrelevent. Also how does defoe stuggle to get a game, he is spurs second top scorer and has made 14 apparences. Huddlestone may of just been seen by you but he has made a number of appearences this eason and looks a great prospect. He has scored 3 goals from midfield this season and won player of the tournamount for the U21s team. I'd put my neck on the line and predict you will be praising him and hyping him up like he fathered you when the media begin to hail him as englands new messiah.

Dean aston was not expensive considering his quality and record as a goal scorer. He was west hams top scorer last season and was called up to the england squad before he picked up a serious ankle injury. You'd pay relatively the same for someone abroad. Just look at how much Martins cost for newcastle 10million and Berbetov cost 11mil for tottenham. And if Green wasaverage, he wouldnt have been selected to play in the world cup before he got injured. He showed his quality last week again in the match against Man Utd. And how can you try to tell me J.Cole and Lampard were expensive. It does not matter that wes ham were relegated they still were key players and whatever way you look at it, chelsea got a bargin for 5million for Joe Cole and lampard for 11million. Look at Jeventus, they still got alot of money for ibromovich17mil even though they were relageted. Also they sold cannavaro and emerson for around 16 million and you can still consider that a bargain for two players.

There are many more quality english players in the premiership but I didnt name them all because they havnt been transferred e.g Gerrard, Barton. That list gives you a good idea of how much you can get good english players for. If you cant see that because you want to disagree for the sake of it dont bother arguing with me anymore. Its boring now, as your not the sharpest knife in the draw.

 

[antred]

your a total and utter tosser of the highest caliber.

Theres no way anyone can talk football to you because you just ignore everything. Its totally relevent if a player plays for a lower club! Ashton played for Norwich and West Ham. Bullard for Wigan and Fulham. Spurs are mid table at best. Do you know nothing? Peter crouch was vastly overpriced at 7 million. All these english players are not the cream of the crop, theres hardly anything coming through bar Micah Richards that you can talk about for the future.

I bet you never kicked a ball in your life either!

 

[antred]

I'd Also like to point out we had the england under 21 captain in John Welsh and where is he now? The quality is not there at the moment, its in fits and starts.

 

[Clockender]

STOP, HOLD PRESS

OK why don't we all stop this bickering and get back to talking about what this thread is for, Arsenal football club. These club threads are a joke, do people actually talk about proper football matters.

It should not take a non supporter to do this but it seems no one else is interested so I will anyway.

The Reyes and Baptista topic. What will become of these two players, what do Arsenal fans think about the issue, and what would you like to happen?

http://www.thesun.co.uk/article/0,,2002390000-2006580769,00.html

Discuss.

Well I hope Reyes don't come back and as for Baptista, I think we will see more of him after January. I think Wenger is using him sparingly to keep his price down. I might be wrong though . I would still like to keep hold of him though as he looks to me to be the sort of player made for the Prem. Time will tell.

 

[RuneEdge]

He looks like the type of player that needs to be thrown into the deep end, not used sparingly. He's not a young wonderkid like Walcott that needs protection.
Baptista isnt being used properly if you ask me.

 

[Alucard]

your a total and utter tosser of the highest caliber.

Did I make you lose control of your bladder old man. You poor miserable dribbling old scoundrel.

Its totally relevent if a player plays for a lower club! Ashton played for Norwich and West Ham. Bullard for Wigan and Fulham. Spurs are mid table at best.

Yeah and whats your point? They are still quality players regardless if they play for a small or mid table team.

Do you know nothing?

I obviously know more than you as I understand what the topic at hand is about. Instead you clutch straws at irrelevent issuses that actually deter from the debate at hand like some slow un-educated spastic. Also I dont claim a players is no good just because he does not play for one of the top 4 clubs in the premiership, thats just gloryhunting thinking. So In your opinion shearer was a bad player and nothing special because he played for newcastle who always ended up mid table?

Peter crouch was vastly overpriced at 7 million.

Yes I agree Crouch is overpiced but that was due to liverpool poor business dealings paying over the odds for a for player ofhis calibre amongst many other bad signings. He is nothing but a circus act who only gets selected out of pity. Its a similar signing to when United forkeed out 7million for Forlan. So are you going to tell me all foriegners are over priced and not good enough becuase of that forlan mistake?

All these english players are not the cream of the crop, theres hardly anything coming through bar Micah Richards that you can talk about for the future.

Nobody said all english players were the cream of the crop. Neither are all foriegners superstars. But you have totally missed the whole point of that list havnt you sunshine. Its not to point out how great english players are(although there are some good buys there) but to point out that they are not as overpriced as people make them out to be and relatively cost the same as you would pay for a foriegn player. Do you understand now?

I bet you never kicked a ball in your life either!

What has me ever playing football got to do with listing the cost of english players? As I said until you can actually learn what the topic is about instead of disagreeing for the sake of it , then dont be suprised if I ignore more of your moronic attention seeking bitter anti-alucard posts.