Arsenal Thread

Clockender said:
I picked on SWP because he is young and a Mourinho buy. Ashley Cole is an established star, hardly an investment of youth. Lampard, Cole were buys by Ranieri. Terry was an established player when Mourinho arrived thats why I left them all out. Maybe you would like to enlighten me on what Mourinho has done for promoting youth in this country?
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Does not matter if they are established or not, they are still homegrown players and the fact he hasnt sold them or left them on the bench is credit to him. When Wenger first came to arsenal he got rid of most of the british based players, like Wright, Merson, Dixon, and others I vaguely remember and straight away brought in players from abroad.
 
Alucard said:
Does not matter if they are established or not, they are still homegrown players and the fact he hasnt sold them or left them on the bench is credit to him. When Wenger first came to arsenal he got rid of most of the british based players, like Wright, Merson, Dixon, and others I vaguely remember and straight away brought in players from abroad.
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Hardly investing in youth though is it, buying Ashley Cole. If thats your opinion, why did he sell Scott Parker? Dixon didn't retire until 2002, Wrighty stayed for 2 seasons before moving on, they hardly left "straight away" as you put it.


Talk about contradicting yourself, here you say you want more English youngsters:

Alucard said:
But it'd be nice to see actual English players in English teams. I don't think that's too much to ask. If teams have to field a team compromised of at least 6 of their national players, then those teams will take more of an interest in developing players instead of buying them from abroad.
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Here you say its ok if they are foreign and developed between 15 and 21!:

Alucard said:
Your also forgeting that any nationality can be consired as homegrown considering they have been developed between the ages of 15 and 21 for three years as a junior , so its not a case if your an englishmen with only english roots you get to play.
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So in effect theres nothing to stop us continuing to do what we do in grooming youngsters from around the world to be in our first team in the future. Fabregas, Denilson, Fran Merida, Barazite, Armand Traore, Rui Fonte. If these boys are in our first team in 3 years time and these rules are in place (which I seriously doubt) you would still be complaining then about a lack of English talent in our side (even though we would be following the rules). What would your argument be then?
 
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Parker wanted to leave. However I agree chelsea are not the best in bring through youth players, they another team resorting to the cheque book all the time instead of giving young players a chance. But this is dragging on now, I can't be bothered posting essay after essay carefully explaining to you the importance of homegrown players, its become tedious repeating myself when people are stuck in their wayss because it doesnt benefit their team.
 
Clockender said:
I picked on SWP because he is young and a Mourinho buy. Ashley Cole is an established star, hardly an investment of youth. Lampard, Cole were buys by Ranieri. Terry was an established player when Mourinho arrived thats why I left them all out. Maybe you would like to enlighten me on what Mourinho has done for promoting youth in this country?
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The fact is, the four players I mentioned are still young and also the first on the England team sheet. Coincidence? I dont think so.
 
zeus78 said:
«Credit Suisse Sports Awards 2006»
Newcomer of the year: Djourou

@Alucard
There are not many good English players ;)
English clubs +
English National Team -
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Mindless, absolute mindless is some of your views. My backside there are not many good english players or they are overpriced. Im going to nail on its head once and for all for the last time so nobody can use this this sorry excuse that every arsenal fan seems to parrot when anybody wonders why there is not many english players in their team beside Wilcott and Hoyt.

Ok now lets look at the premierships finest english players up and coming and ones that are established. Lets see how much they cost besides the obvious examples people seem to equat with meaning all english players are overpriced players who were either bought from Man Utd or chelsea like Rooney,Carrick,Rio and SWP. hopefully this will get rid of this notion that all english players cost over 20million

Andy Johnson - 8million
Defoe - 7million
Lennon - Undisclosed but probably chicken feed
King - Brought through the ranks and doesnt go clubbing and drinking
Micheal Dawson- chicken feed
Tom Huddlestone- great prospect and purchased with chicken feed
Jamiaine Jenus- Originally purchased for 5million from nottingham forest
Bullard - 2million
Routledge- chicken feed
Scott Parker - 6million
Reo coker- homegrown player, captain of U21 hardly see in the tabloads drinking in nightclubs
Dean Aston - 7million
Robert Green - young english goalkeeper, england international, bought for chicken feed
Darren Bent - 2million
Joe Cole - 6million
Lampard - 11million

You guys need to come up with better spastic lines than 'English players cost too much', or 'there are not many good english players'. Its only chelsea and Man Utd targets who's prices get inflated when there is a bidding war. If Wenger had as good an eye for talent and judge of character as people make him out to be, then he would have found some good young english model professionals who are just as talented as your current average players like flamini or diaby. And stop this crap that all english players like to be in tabloids and go out to nightclubs getting drunk. Just because you had a few bad experience with Pennant,Bently and Cole, does not mean every english player is like this. Just like every foriegn doesnt spend all their time on the ground diving or getting excused of rape charges. Its just short sighted view that you goons want to clutch straws to. Now this discussion is over. No more is said.
 
Agree with what your saying Alucard.

Id rather see more young British players (witch there are plenty of) than the average foreign players that some managers insist on bringing in. And I would not care if the Premier League suffered a slight drop in quality, It would be much better in the long run. It's the only way Britain is going to produce quality homegrown players.
 
There you go again talking about the PAST investments WOW! you showed us.You thought everybody was going to join you on this fickle crusade "Keep`in It English" with your foreign owner who should sell it to the many fans in China.I hope Chong Yo Hoe buys manUtd and send it to Hong Kong.Then your crusade will be consider and you can have a mic.


your still my m8:mrgreen:
 
RuneEdge said:
The fact is, the four players I mentioned are still young and also the first on the England team sheet. Coincidence? I dont think so.
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What a load of bollox, to be considered young at football I would say you would have to be under 21, certainly under 23.

Frank Lampard is 28!
John Terry is 26
Joe Cole is 25
Cuntley Cunt is 25

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I agree, look at the National team players.
Mister Wenger has another way to buy players.
Young, quick and a good base. If he will find this kind of player it's not the question which nationaly they have.
Shure for the league it's better to have more English players but for me there is not enough quality

I like to see young players like Senderos, Djourou, Fabregas etc. :)
 
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I swear any young player wenger is bold enough to put out, hence Senderos, then they get hailed as the second coming of Jesus Christ. Come on senderous is a atrocity and has done nothing special except get games. I'd rate Dawson as a better defender than him. And did you even read my post? Or you going to pretend you didnt see the full list of english talents that I listed. Spastic
 
Dawson was signed with Andy Reid for a fee thought to be £8m, hardly chicken feed.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Michael_Dawson

I am convinced you just make stuff up to back your weak arguments.

Senderos is highly thought of at Arsenal. He was part of the team that got us to Paris last season. He has been poor this season by his standards but he will come good again, he has the talent. In fact Utd wanted to sign him and thought they had. Fungusbum was furious when he ended up at Arsenal.
 
You trying to tell me Rooney wasn't hailed a second coming of the Messiah?

WTF! On his CL debut at Old Trafford, Denis Baris and Luciano couldn't get anywhere near the Shrek due to the amount of semen liberated on the pitch by the masturbating Mancunian congregation.
 
IceMan_Bergkamp said:
You trying to tell me Rooney wasn't hailed a second coming of the Messiah?

WTF! On his CL debut at Old Trafford, Denis Baris and Luciano couldn't get anywhere near the Shrek due to the amount of semen liberated on the pitch by the masturbating Mancunian congregation.
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:lol: But at least rooney had reason to be at the time after scoring a hat-trick on his debut. I agree though Rooney is overrated. I'm not going to sit here and give some cock and bull story like all the other 19 posters and claim he has every right to be praised so often just because he is a United player. Sorry that was my Staurt Pearce impression.

@ Clockender. dDawson still was cheap if you consider the half of the 8million meant 4million paid for him. Thats still cheap compared to how people go on about how english players cost 20-30 million because of signings like Rooney,SWP and Rio. Other than those signings you'll find alot of cheap bargins like I listed above. You'll also find many overpriced foriegn imports like Drogba, shevchenko, Veron, Reyes,Luque,m Van nistelrooy, so its all relative. Ive proven my point anyway.
 
Alucard said:
Don't come with this 'I don't know how mightier than thou you are' bollocks, because fact is if arsenal had enough english/homegrown players and you were all well and good, you wouldnt be complaining,. You're obviously a glorywhore who wants their team to win at any cost and dont really care about delevopment or having any connection to the sport, just want the your team to field the best of the best, win at all cost mentality.
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blah blah blah blah... keep trying to take cheap shots at me just because you can't answer a single post without'm... yeah i'm a bloody glorywhore... why the flying fck would i be a glorywhore? what glory? we haven't won a damn thing in the past 2 seasons... what glory? if i was a glorywhore i would be switching to being a chelsea fan... comon seriously throw some more cheap shots at me so you don't have to answer up to my posts damn fairy...

Alucard said:
Where have I said Engalnds future in football is poor? never did I say england is bad because of foriegners, I say they are good for the game but that does not mean we should go to the extreme and buy all of them and forget about nurturing homegrown talent. Like Rune egde i could care less about the england national teams results,I'm not saying a team shouldn't field anyone but locals. But it'd be nice to see actual English players in English teams. I don't think that's too much to ask. If teams have to field a team compromised of at least 6 of their national players, then those teams will take more of an interest in developing players instead of buying them from abroad. The cheque book rules as an easier option than nurturing youngsters. Your also forgeting that any nationality can be consired as homegrown considering they have been developed between the ages of 15 and 21 for three years as a junior , so its not a case if your an englishmen with only english roots you get to play. This rule has been implanted before its just some santions were changed within the treaty. Fifa has already been backed by theUniion the next step is to take it into the EC. tHIS this rule wont come into effect overnight but in the near future and will be benificial..The foreign players are good for the game although you can see there are quite a few mercenairies and this is one reason why Arsenal have players leaving every summer and always find it difficult to keep their top players. But we do need a rule to come in to stop teams fielding sides with few or even no English players at all. It doesn't encourage home grown talent to compete at a high levels.
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u sir are a hypocrite... you say u don't give a damn about the english team, but you seem to care an ass load about homegrown talent... you're telling an ARSENAL fan that we're not nurturing young talent? when our side is quite possibly one of the youngest?... the only flaw being that they're not "homegrown"... we got a term here in the US for idiots like you... fcking retard... you don't have to literally say how you feel about Englands future... this rule that you are promoting is doing a fine job... do you understand what affirmative action is son? i suggest you look it up because this pile of bs you're spewing out is promoting it... its like playing on a team where your father is the coach... some how you always make the cut...

Alucard said:
You look at France and they have great young players coming through all the time. This is because the youngsters get a chance to prove themselves in the French league as it is not so popular and thus the top foreign players don't want to play there. It's the same in Argentina and Brazil and where the supporters go absolutley crazy. Now if english and say italian players started playing in argentina and were the basis of their teams, I don't thinks the fans would feel connected to the club as they do now. Have you seen the crowds in derbys at Boca juniors vs River Plate, absolute fantastic where the stadiums are shaking and fans making the most noise and are the most passionate.
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see now you've just taken another step forward into the asshole territory... now instead of insulting teams for their foreign players, you're insulting the fans of those teams by saying they're a shade below fans of other teams who have more "homegrown" players... i seriously wanna stick around to see just how many people u need to insult before u sulk back in your little corner and go cut urself...

see unlike urself... Rune's post made some sense... and i respect what he had to say... you run up this bullshit about restricting players... go fck urself...
 
Clockender said:
What a load of bollox, to be considered young at football I would say you would have to be under 21, certainly under 23.

Frank Lampard is 28!
John Terry is 26
Joe Cole is 25
Cuntley Cunt is 25

:lol:
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Just highlighted the keywords there for you. Didnt know Lampard is 28 though.
 
chAi said:
blah blah blah blah... keep trying to take cheap shots at me just because you can't answer a single post without'm... yeah i'm a bloody glorywhore... why the flying fck would i be a glorywhore? what glory? we haven't won a damn thing in the past 2 seasons... what glory? if i was a glorywhore i would be switching to being a chelsea fan... comon seriously throw some more cheap shots at me so you don't have to answer up to my posts damn fairy...



u sir are a hypocrite... you say u don't give a damn about the english team, but you seem to care an ass load about homegrown talent... you're telling an ARSENAL fan that we're not nurturing young talent? when our side is quite possibly one of the youngest?... the only flaw being that they're not "homegrown"... we got a term here in the US for idiots like you... fcking retard... you don't have to literally say how you feel about Englands future... this rule that you are promoting is doing a fine job... do you understand what affirmative action is son? i suggest you look it up because this pile of bs you're spewing out is promoting it... its like playing on a team where your father is the coach... some how you always make the cut...



see now you've just taken another step forward into the asshole territory... now instead of insulting teams for their foreign players, you're insulting the fans of those teams by saying they're a shade below fans of other teams who have more "homegrown" players... i seriously wanna stick around to see just how many people u need to insult before u sulk back in your little corner and go cut urself...

see unlike urself... Rune's post made some sense... and i respect what he had to say... you run up this bullshit about restricting players... go fck urself...
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You insolent child, you talk about giving out cheap shots and insults. Lets see how many curses and insults you have chalked up in your posts. all you managed to put across is'asshole' 'f**k yourself' 'go cut yourself' 'f**king retard' 'fairy. You sir are the hypocrite as you have delivered far more insults in your exchanges with myself.Furthermore your points are retarded and make no sense. You are fortunate that Im even responding, however I am not going to accept being spoken to by a third class gimp like yourself. Don't think i have any more time writing essays explaining to you as I'll just end up repeating myself and to be honest its dragging on and becoming boring.

Only arsenal fans seem to want disagree and go into a spasm without any valid points instead of admitting that it is better to have homegrown players in the team instead of every year clubs forking out millions to buy someone from abroad. Ive explained This point nicely over pages and pages but you still cant see past your own concieted brainless crap how I must be insulting foriegn players and constantly want to use the racist card because I argue that the development of local players is good for the game. Maybe your not very bright and need to change the bulb for this to get through to you.
 
Where on this forum does it say I hate scousers? Find the quote where I said that. You are just attention seeking because I did not respond to your stupid moronic childish post.
 
I like your avatar bebo. Its from tonights match isnt it. Where both the tubby one and the whinger stand side by side and both agree that the match shouldn't have been postponed.
 
Alucard said:
You insolent child, you talk about giving out cheap shots and insults. Lets see how many curses and insults you have chalked up in your posts. all you managed to put across is'asshole' 'f**k yourself' 'go cut yourself' 'f**king retard' 'fairy. You sir are the hypocrite as you have delivered far more insults in your exchanges with myself.Furthermore your points are retarded and make no sense. You are fortunate that Im even responding, however I am not going to accept being spoken to by a third class gimp like yourself. Don't think i have any more time writing essays explaining to you as I'll just end up repeating myself and to be honest its dragging on and becoming boring.

Only arsenal fans seem to want disagree and go into a spasm without any valid points instead of admitting that it is better to have homegrown players in the team instead of every year clubs forking out millions to buy someone from abroad. Ive explained This point nicely over pages and pages but you still cant see past your own concieted brainless crap how I must be insulting foriegn players and constantly want to use the racist card because I argue that the development of local players is good for the game. Maybe your not very bright and need to change the bulb for this to get through to you.
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o no no no... see the difference between you and I is that I can respond with insults AND get my point across... and i totally admit to being an asshole... but you sir are truly one of a kind... I'm fortunate for you to even respond? i could careless if you respond... what the hell do I care about what a self absorbed wanker has to say? its not like i'm gonna lose sleep over this...

I totally agree that development of local players is good for the game... hell development of more players period is great for the game... but why the hell do we have to prevent the development of other nations' players just for the locals? for what purpose? what's the difference in developing a 17 year old player from Brazil and that from England? the only difference is that the players are from different countries... now if you can't give a perfectly good reason why it should be required to develop English talent rather than Brazilian or French talent... then you have nothing to argue about... ur just being a nationalist scum with an inferiority complex... seriously... you haven't explained shit... all you've said over and over again is how it would be good to develop homegrown players... WHY? you said its not for the National team because you could careless... so why would it be better? why would it be better to have Rooney on the field instead of Fernando Torres? why would it be better to have Lennon on the field instead of Ribery? all four are great talents... so when it comes down to fielding 11 and you had to choose one or the other... why are we forced to choose the English player over the foreign ones? I know! to develop homegrown talent right?

o wait... u said something about fan support... hmm... so what ur saying is... because our players are not homegrown like many of ManU are... our fan support will never amount to anything as good as ManU's? and ManU's support will never amount to anything as good as say BocaJuniors? atleast until we fill the field with atleast 6 "homegrown" players... is that right? and this is supposed to be in no way insulting... pages and pages my ass... its only been 2 pages worth of threads...

@bebo i find name calling a lot better than insulting someone's morals and personal beliefs... name calling is nothing... its pure emotion... but insulting someone's belief's is ruining a person's identity... fck him...
 
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