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He was quite proven imo, playing for Juventus and Monaco making his name before leaving due to a poor season.

He even played in the CL final with Juve.
 
Milanista said:
He was quite proven imo, playing for Juventus and Monaco making his name before leaving due to a poor season.

He even played in the CL final with Juve.
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Nah, I disagree, same thing with Vieira.

The few that they have signed were ones like Sol Campbell, Van Persie, Reyes and Bergkamp.
 
Milanista said:
Cygan, Almunia and Shaaban are good examples.
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I don't think Shaaban can be counted as he never really played for us he. He played a couple of games, kept a couple of clean sheets as well I think and then decided to leave cause he wanted first team football.

RuneEdge said:
One of these days, you're gonna sign a nobody and he'll turn out to be a real waste. Sometimes you just have to sign the proven players.
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Yeah but proven players cost money which we don't usually have. Also proven players don't guarantee success. Are you forgetting Veron, he was classed as one of the best midfielders in the world when Man Utd signed him and he was a complete flop.

As I siad to buy a world class proven player it will take at least 10 million and when Arsenal have a record transfer of around £12 million for Reyes (It'll be more with bonuses) that takes up a sizeable amount of your budget.

We have signed nobodies that are real wastes as well.
 
Nickybaker said:
I don't think Shaaban can be counted as he never really played for us he. He played a couple of games, kept a couple of clean sheets as well I think and then decided to leave cause he wanted first team football.
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Shabban was starting to get a few games when he tore a muscle or something, against Man Yoo at Trafford I think (?). He was out for months and never played for the 1st team again. Just one of those things I guess, we'll never know how he might have turned out.

Van Persie can now be held for up to 14 further days;

http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/england/london/4099662.stm
 
"Recent media coverage of the case against Atletico Mineiro, brought by two agents seeking commission from the Brazilian club in relation to the transfer of Gilberto to Arsenal in 2002, has been misleading in parts.

Arsenal Football Club is not party to the case and no claims are being made against the Club.

During the hearing suggestions were made that Arsenal made a covert approach for Gilberto. This suggestion is untrue and today Alexandre Kall, President of Atletico Mineiro, stated: "I am shocked to hear about the press reports concerning the sale of Gilberto Silva.

"I can confirm that Arsenal complied with all the rules and all the negotiations for the player were held exclusively between the two clubs."

Hopefully this will silence the idiots especially a couple of Chelsea fans I know hoping Arsenal will now be punished.
 
Nickybaker said:
Yeah but proven players cost money which we don't usually have. Also proven players don't guarantee success. Are you forgetting Veron, he was classed as one of the best midfielders in the world when Man Utd signed him and he was a complete flop.

As I siad to buy a world class proven player it will take at least 10 million and when Arsenal have a record transfer of around £12 million for Reyes (It'll be more with bonuses) that takes up a sizeable amount of your budget.

We have signed nobodies that are real wastes as well.
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But sometimes you just have to pay that extra £10million and go for a real superstar. I know Veron was a flop but look at Rooney. I still think £30million is a bargin.
 
RuneEdge said:
But sometimes you just have to pay that extra £10million and go for a real superstar. I know Veron was a flop but look at Rooney. I still think £30million is a bargin.
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Yeah but it's having that £30million in the first place. We don't.
 
Nickybaker said:
Yeah but it's having that £30million in the first place. We don't.
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But we're only paying £10million for the first season, £10million the next season and then a further £10million depending on goals and appearances.

So really, he only cost us about £15million of our transfer budget of this season.

Dont tell me Arsenal cant afford that.
 
What I mean is if a team had a £15million yearly budget, they could also afford someone like Rooney. And you have to remember that the deal doesnt have to be exactly how Rooney's one was done. You could spread the cost over a longer period of time.
 
You could say that but if you take into account players that were brought in the past over time they could still be making payments for them, i.e if your budget for Man Yoo next season is 25m do you take off 10m off that for what you owe on Rooney?
 
RuneEdge said:
What I mean is if a team had a £15million yearly budget, they could also afford someone like Rooney. And you have to remember that the deal doesnt have to be exactly how Rooney's one was done. You could spread the cost over a longer period of time.
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If it was that easy then why didnt the other 19 Premiership teams offer? You need to have some sort of collateral kinda thing so that the deal can be done. Man U and Chelsea definately can do things like that because incase they cant pay in say the 3 year period, they can pay it in 2 years instead. Arsenal might not be able to splash out 30m in that time and cant always guarantee it.
 
Milanista said:
If it was that easy then why didnt the other 19 Premiership teams offer? You need to have some sort of collateral kinda thing so that the deal can be done. Man U and Chelsea definately can do things like that because incase they cant pay in say the 3 year period, they can pay it in 2 years instead. Arsenal might not be able to splash out 30m in that time and cant always guarantee it.
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You cant ask why 19 other teams (well 18 cuz Everton is one of them) didnt bid for Rooney because they obviously cant afford him but seeing how Arsenal are a top 3 team in England, they should be one of those teams who can afford him.
And its not just about affording the player. The player must want to join the club too. CHelsea also wanted him but Rooney said he didnt want to join Chelsea and only want to join a team in the north of England. Which is why Man Utd and Newcastle were the two teams that fought for his signature.
If Newcastle can make a bid, surely Arsenal can.
 
If Wenger can get Baptista to Highbury for 10 million pounds, he deserves a knighthood.

Isakasson, Hleb and Baptista? That's one fucking productive summer, I would say.
 
RuneEdge said:
You cant ask why 19 other teams (well 18 cuz Everton is one of them) didnt bid for Rooney because they obviously cant afford him but seeing how Arsenal are a top 3 team in England, they should be one of those teams who can afford him.
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Arsenal are a top 3 team but NOT because of their financial standing. It's a well publicised fact that Arsenal have spent a very similar amount on players as Tottenham have in the past 10 years or so. That says it all really.

It's possible that if Arsenal were prepared to put all their eggs in one basket and forget about buying anyone else for about 2 years, then they might be able to scrape together 30 million for Rooney. But that is clearly not the sort of avenue that any club wants to take. Everyone knows that Man Yoo earn MUCH more £££ than Arsenal, having a stadium twice as big and probably 4 times as many fans worldwide. If the Rooney purchase halted their transfers for a season imagine what it would do to Arsenal.

It's easy to forget that Arsenal (bearing in mind the size of the club and their finances) are consistently massive over-achievers each and every season.
 
Joystick said:
It's easy to forget that Arsenal (bearing in mind the size of the club and their finances) are consistently massive over-achievers each and every season.
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That is a very true comment but surely if you consistently finish high in the league every year, that alone is gonna generate money. Plus the money gained from CL plus the money teams should expect from sponsors as big as Nike and O2.

IMO, Arsenal's finances arent managed as well as they should be. And you need someone that is great at marketing your club.
Man Utd already have this and now Chelsea are trying to do the same.
 
RuneEdge said:
IMO, Arsenal's finances arent managed as well as they should be. And you need someone that is great at marketing your club.
Man Utd already have this and now Chelsea are trying to do the same.
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That's probably true, but to be fair Arsenal have only been a truly international brand since Wenger took over. We've always been a big British club but its only in the last few years that people have really started to stand up and notice. The new stadium will put the team on a new level, Premiership placements obviously generate cash but its match day earnings which really pays the bills. You only need to look at Man Yoo to recognise that, what is it £1 million every home game?

What with the new stadium, the money from the Emirates deal and an increasingly international squad, the club is most definitely heading in the right direction. The only concern from some Arsenal fans is that the club is losing its English base, especially if Cole leaves.
 
Joystick said:
That's probably true, but to be fair Arsenal have only been a truly international brand since Wenger took over. We've always been a big British club but its only in the last few years that people have really started to stand up and notice. The new stadium will put the team on a new level, Premiership placements obviously generate cash but its match day earnings which really pays the bills. You only need to look at Man Yoo to recognise that, what is it £1 million every home game?

What with the new stadium, the money from the Emirates deal and an increasingly international squad, the club is most definitely heading in the right direction. The only concern from some Arsenal fans is that the club is losing its English base, especially if Cole leaves.
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Thats definately true about the stadium. But the difference between Man Utd and Arsenal is more than a stadium.
Man Utd look to exploit EVERY money making scheme in the book to generate cash. We signed an Asian player just to get a greater fan base in the far east. Now we're opening a casino in Manchester.
And our tickets are (well were up until Glazer) pretty cheap too.

Man Utd the football team and Man Utd PLC are almost like 2 different companies where one is just football while the other is a pure money making machine.
 
That would be a terrible buy Gutti is way overated imo! He just got his rep on the back of Madrid's sucsess and even when did play ok for them he was playing upfront!
 
Ferraritim said:
Please no Guti!!
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Seconded!!

I think its bollox. Another case of an agent trying drum up interest in his player.

Looks like Hleb is back on though and Pires out.

Whats the matter with Bobby? We basically offered him a 2 year deal but he wants 3!! Can Hleb play down the left? Losing Bobby will be hard, as he gets goals. The most freescoring midfielder in the Prem (no not you frnakie lampard!!) and creates many more. But at 32 he ain't getting any younger. Maybe its time to go separate ways..
 
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