WE/PES 2008 Next Gen - Discussions Thread

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Re: WE/PES 2008 Next Gen - Discussions Thread (Last Update 07/27/07)

Trance_Allstar said:
I'm not too sure about that. As long as there is any sort of computer-aided running (the player automatically running after the ball if he is chasing a pass that strayed a bit) SUper-cancel will be there. And obviously, as long as they don't have 360 movement, there needs to be computer-aided runs, which means SUperCancel will be there, definitely. Besides, it does more than just give you freedom of running (in 8 directions) but it also cancels shots, and allows for some shot-feints that give unique movements. ;)
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Haha. Cool, I can finally argue with someone who is not an idiotic, narrow-minded fanboy.

OK, I avoided being too negative in my posting by suggesting that super-cancel might be a thing of the past (ignore the fanciful bit about the possibility that scripting might be a thing of the past...there is 0% chance of Konami doing this).

Of course, I do not think for one second that scripting will be gone. PES is built on scripting. Without it, it is nothing but 26-0 every game.

But coming back to the main subject of this "argument" :8):....the possibility of super-cancel being eliminated from the game. I actually think that this is a possibilty. It is surely possible that, once the cursor switch gives you control of any given player, your input, and only your input, decides in which direction he moves. To my mind, it is not inconceivable that Konami have finally made the "massive" :lol: step of giving you control of 1 out of the 11 players on your team (albeit in a crude 8-direction-only fashion) as soon as the cursor switches to him. That still gives Konami 10 players on your team to deliberately run in completely the wrong direction and basically act like muppets, thus scripting the gameplay in the way that they like to do, whilst giving you a new experience of actually having nearly full control of one guy in your team :D.

Wow!! Just think how amazing it would be to aim left and you r player goes left every time. It would be almost like having some actual gameplay. Surely even Konami's programmers can manage to achieve this most fundamental principle of gameplay?
 
Re: WE/PES 2008 Next Gen - Discussions Thread (Last Update 07/27/07)

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Haha. Cool, I can finally argue with someone who is not an idiotic, narrow-minded fanboy.
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Right back at ya. ;)

winston said:
OK, I avoided being too negative in my posting by suggesting that super-cancel might be a thing of the past (ignore the fanciful bit about the possibility that scripting might be a thing of the past...there is 0% chance of Konami doing this).

Of course, I do not think for one second that scripting will be gone. PES is built on scripting. Without it, it is nothing but 26-0 every game.

But coming back to the main subject of this "argument" :8):....the possibility of super-cancel being eliminated from the game. I actually think that this is a possibilty. It is surely possible that, once the cursor switch gives you control of any given player, your input, and only your input, decides in which direction he moves. To my mind, it is not inconceivable that Konami have finally made the "massive" :lol: step of giving you control of 1 out of the 11 players on your team (albeit in a crude 8-direction-only fashion) as soon as the cursor switches to him. That still gives Konami 10 players on your team to deliberately run in completely the wrong direction and basically act like muppets, thus scripting the gameplay in the way that they like to do, whilst giving you a new experience of actually having nearly full control of one guy in your team :D.

Wow!! Just think how amazing it would be to aim left and you r player goes left every time. It would be almost like having some actual gameplay. Surely even Konami's programmers can manage to achieve this most fundamental principle of gameplay?
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Yeah, I know what you mean. I usually find myself using SuperCancel as soon after I have used L1 to switch player, just to sort of force him into acting immediately on my controls. :)

Still, if there is only 8-way, I don't see it being taken out. Even if you have completey control (ie, you always can run in any direction in all situations), the 8-way almost demands computer-aided runs.

If it is only you and 8-way, you will be jockeying the stick back and forth trying to sig-sag the player to the ball in a straight line (to run up-up-right (compass direction north-north-east) you will be moving the stick from the north to the north-east position repetedly, making the player look like a drunk monkey when he is wobling towards the ball), if the ball doesn't happen to be in a position where you can reach it by only running in one of the 8 directions. I think you know what I mean.

Still, the current scripting is so obnoxious it is awful, not only on shots and such, but even on the reactions and running of the players.

But yeah, it is true. They still have 10 players to mess with, so even giving you more control, they can probably make 2 defenders run into eachother and knock eachother out, for the opposition to score 1-1 on their first shot on goal in the 89th minute. :)

But, I did read somewhere, some time ago, about PES having 16-way control. It was quite clearly written so there wasn't any room for misunderstanding. I am stil clinging to this statement, since it would atleast be a step in the right direction (obviously, even 16-way directions when dealing with 50 meter longpasses is not nearly enough resolution unless you want to miss the mark you were aiming for with 10m, but...).

Cheers for the discussion mate. :)
 
Re: WE/PES 2008 Next Gen - Discussions Thread (Last Update 07/27/07)

could any1 answer this please:(asking the 3rd time now)
Is PES2008 gonna be a worldwide release? Yes or No? IS there no info leaking from Japan? I mean come on now, Winning Eleven used to come out earlier than PES....
but yea thanks!
 
Re: WE/PES 2008 Next Gen - Discussions Thread (Last Update 07/27/07)

Shootings fine to me, doubt making it analog aiming changes things, its just as easy, plus, for PS2 dont think the stick is as good for playing thats me personally, cause loads prefer the d-pad, theres only 6 real directions to shoot at a goal anyway, or maybe 9, top left, middle left, bottom left, top centre, middle centre, bottom centre, top right, middle right, and bottom right, you dont really need that much of a funky shooting system to decide where your shot roughly wants to go, the rest is down to where your player is etc.

But if your not on about that, then I apologise and I will read through again, or you will probably correct me, call me dumb a fan boy or summing, but I just didnt understand lol.

That Football Kingdom game looked crap to me :S The one twos were perfect, ALL THE TIME, not realistic at all, looked too easy put thats just me, just doesnt seem right, if players are pressured, then their touch will be a bit off, and passing not 100% accurate like the video showed in this thread, thats why I love PES.

Im in two minds, cause I can see why the sticks would be better for passing, especially for long balls, as that does give you a 360 degree worth of aiming, compared to the 8 way of d-pad, annoyinf if a player is between the top right and right section, unless the long pass has that search thing on, so you have to get the power wrong, but still theres the issue that if theres more than one player around there, it would go to the wrong one, they might have to go to analog sticks for it, and stuff the dpad, use it for tactics, even tho im a dpad pes player. But willing to take that change for PES to improve lol
 
Re: WE/PES 2008 Next Gen - Discussions Thread (Last Update 07/27/07)

I haven't played PES6 in a while, so I just played three hours of it (on PS2) in the Master League, which I haven't really done before (I've played the game for a long time in general, but not usually in the Master League). Mainly to try and refresh a few things in my mind - to see if I could see them again and explain, in a slower and more coherent way, the reasons why the game has driven me mad and driven me away from it.

I thought if I did a bit of research again, and stated exactly what I see happening from start to finish of each match, that maybe people will see me as less of a prick and more of someone who just wants a better game. I don't moan for the sake of it, I moan because I used to love the game, and now I'm getting to the point where it's a chore to play it, ever. (And I realise nobody is forcing me to play it, or buy PES2008, but forums are all about discussion and I'd be interested to see if I'm imagining these things or if people agree with me.)

It's a very long post, please click here if you can be arsed with it.

* The first thing I notice is that the passing doesn't feel right in a few ways - you can't choose how much power you want, and they're way too "automatic" overall. The normal passes are piss-weak, and too easy to intercept. And if I try a through-ball, there's no option apart from what direction you want. You can't weight it, so it can go straight to a defender or it can go out of play. I'm not saying every pass has to be perfect but, and here's the thing, I want to be the one who makes the mistakes. I don't like the fact that it's random whether you'll pull off an amazing pass or not - you just press :triangle: and you either get a splitting pass or a woeful mistake. But neither is actually down to you.

* The next thing I notice is really weird, and I don't know if I can explain it very well. In certain situations, the CPU will make your player "trip" forwards for no reason (usually when the ball is high in the air). He's not knocked, he can even be standing perfectly still waiting for the ball to come down; but then he begins to fall in a certain direction, purely to move him out of the way (usually behind the CPU defender, leaving him with the ball and open space in-front of him). I thought it was coincidence the first time, but I saw it about ten times.

* I also notice (and this is a relatively old one as well) that if you head out from a corner, it goes straight to the CPU. But if the CPU heads out from a corner, you can practically guarantee it's going to be a CPU player who gets the ball.

* Players don't move into good positions. I've got a wing-back who's come up to the sideline but refuses to go any further, even if there's enough space to fit a bus through. You run behind him, as if to say "move up", and he moves bloody backwards. I know you've got player arrows etc., but I've told the team to be attacking in the formation settings, so he should have some common sense.

* The deflections are just... Unbelievable. This is a lot of my mates' biggest issue with the game (and it has been for years and years - this is what worries me with Konami). You make a tackle, the ball will rebound off the CPU player and perfectly to another CPU player, as if he'd passed it to him himself. You might as well not have tackled him. And I've noticed that the deflections when you're tackling for the ball are large, pitch-spanning ones that make their way to the CPU, but when it's you that's shooting and there's a deflection, it's a tiny weeny fucking deflection, a matter of feet, straight onto the boot of a defender to clear.

* But the thing that really gets me the most, the thing that makes me fucking livid, is when the player just stands still. You pass to someone, with a CPU defender a few yards away, and instead of running to take the ball in his stride, he just stands completely still. No combination of buttons seems to be able to shift him, it's as if his feet are buried in the ground, and Mr. CPU player comes along and happily takes the ball. Over and over and over again.

Now, again, that's been in PES for absolutely years (players who stand still instead of moving for the ball). Which is why the game, in my opinion, needs a new engine (considering it's still a PSone game at it's core), and why I'll be cynical of every version until it gets that, and/or gets a review that says "it plays totally differently from any PES before it". I hope that the above illustrates why - and why any comment of "it's the same", when it's had the same faults for years, makes me feel bitterly disappointed.

As far as I'm concerned, for as long as the same engine is used and tacked onto each year, it will never change (and the old faults will never truly disappear, because they will always be there in some form).

Yes, in multiplayer you may well see less of the above, but at the end of the day the Master League is included with the game and therefore people are going to play it. I've actually started to enjoy the Master League format, the transfer and tactical side of things (but so far every game bar two has been 0-0 or 1-1, which gets boring after a while). It's such a shame that the gameplay has these flaws - why can't there just be a "cheats off" button?

I'm not even saying it's been programmed to "cheat" as such - perhaps there was no choice but to add these things on a PSone, because otherwise the CPU couldn't fight back and because there wasn't enough processor power to handle more complex AI. But either way, because that is at the core of the game, it will always be there until an entirely new engine is developed.

I hope this is considered as a genuine note of constructive criticism (well, maybe not note, maybe book - yes, I know I write for pages, but no, that doesn't mean I love the sound of my own voice, I'm just trying to get a point across without being labelled as bitter, or stupid, hence why I go into as much detail as possible).

(By the way, on the subject of 360-degree movement, I would love to see it. It looks and feels stupid when you're running perfectly diagonally with a defender tussling with your arms, and trying to dribble when your players are on tram-lines is daft - imagine dribbling in-between players like traffic cones with full 360-degree movement, almost like surfing between players... Bliss... But the current engine is built upon, and depends upon, eight-way movement. So until it's started again from scratch, we're not going to see this.)
 
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Re: WE/PES 2008 Next Gen - Discussions Thread (Last Update 07/27/07)

Excellent post and I found myself nodding as I read through it. Some of it made me angry, it brought the memories flooding back. I simply don't play the game any more unless it's multiplayer where it as at least tolerable.
 
Re: WE/PES 2008 Next Gen - Discussions Thread (Last Update 07/27/07)

Very interesting post Jack, but I have to say some of the things you pointed out I dont see often.

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Point 1: The passing imo is prone to error, but overall fine. I mean this is the system the game is built on and certainly why many players love the game. People mention manual passing, I hope for you lot Konami pop it into the next game.

Point 2: I see it happen more to cpu players, as I definitly nudge them :D. Ive never seen it happen to me.

Point 3: The corner thing certainly doesnt happen to me. I just hate the fact it always lands to Gattuso. Doh!

Point 4: I sort of know what you mean about the wing backs, but I tend to play them through if they are able to run through huge spaces.

Point 5: Deflections dont go to the CPU everytime mate, I certainly dont see that.

Point 6: The standing still thing still irritates me, but I tell you its improved over the series. I played WE7 Int the other day and it was awful for that.

Overall I see what your problems are, but like many people who love the series we all have different views.

The 360 movement thing isnt what I want to see. I mean I think whats more important is the animations that link between movement makes it look more natural. When dribbling players tend to move in those 8 directions in real life. Pes's main problem is when trying to dribble through crowds of people the player moves his whole body rather than the feet. It looks awkward and unrealistic like you mention. With better player animations using the d-pad will stay more precise, but the animations linking it all together will make it fit.
 
Re: WE/PES 2008 Next Gen - Discussions Thread (Last Update 07/27/07)

I can understand your points mate (including the 360-degree movement one), and I'm glad that I've seen an agreeing post and a disagreeing post so I can bear things in mind next time I play it, but can I just say - if you don't see the deflections when playing the CPU, then... That's just weird. I have PES-loving mates who hate anything bad said about the game, and would rather drop a 360 on their head than play FIFA, but even they notice this (as I said in the post, it's most people I know's biggest fault with the game).

There was even an experiment done on these forums a while ago (I wish I'd noted the link) where a guy played a friendly versus the CPU, and then an ML game, whilst noting the times a tackle would lead to the ball deflecting or rolling to the CPU player. It happened literally twice as often in the ML game - and it's no one-off because, as I say, my friends and I have noticed it for a few years.

And I appreciate that the game has moved on - you're right, games like WE7 really show off how bad the standing-still used to be, but it does still exist, and that's my point about all of the issues I have. For as long as the code is upgraded and not replaced, they'll always be there in some form or another.

I doubt peoples' perception of me will change anyway, I'm fighting a lost cause, so I'm off to bed now. ;)
 
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Re: WE/PES 2008 Next Gen - Discussions Thread (Last Update 07/27/07)

and dont forget the game is 50% defence and 50% offence which konami delivers perfectly in both ways(multiplayer) For the single player mode the only thing i want to see in the future is the cpu to have much more possesioh of the ball just that i ask no more im happy enough that im alive in this world the same time period with seabass his a great mind
 
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Re: WE/PES 2008 Next Gen - Discussions Thread (Last Update 07/27/07)

which konami delivers perfectly in both ways
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One thing that is for certain, is that nothing is perfect about Pro Evo...

Except, perhaps, the funky menu music - YEH BABY!
 
Re: WE/PES 2008 Next Gen - Discussions Thread (Last Update 07/27/07)

Seraphs21 said:
Shootings fine to me, doubt making it analog aiming changes things, its just as easy, plus, for PS2 dont think the stick is as good for playing thats me personally, cause loads prefer the d-pad, theres only 6 real directions to shoot at a goal anyway, or maybe 9, top left, middle left, bottom left, top centre, middle centre, bottom centre, top right, middle right, and bottom right, you dont really need that much of a funky shooting system to decide where your shot roughly wants to go, the rest is down to where your player is etc.

But if your not on about that, then I apologise and I will read through again, or you will probably correct me, call me dumb a fan boy or summing, but I just didnt understand lol.

That Football Kingdom game looked crap to me :S The one twos were perfect, ALL THE TIME, not realistic at all, looked too easy put thats just me, just doesnt seem right, if players are pressured, then their touch will be a bit off, and passing not 100% accurate like the video showed in this thread, thats why I love PES.

Im in two minds, cause I can see why the sticks would be better for passing, especially for long balls, as that does give you a 360 degree worth of aiming, compared to the 8 way of d-pad, annoyinf if a player is between the top right and right section, unless the long pass has that search thing on, so you have to get the power wrong, but still theres the issue that if theres more than one player around there, it would go to the wrong one, they might have to go to analog sticks for it, and stuff the dpad, use it for tactics, even tho im a dpad pes player. But willing to take that change for PES to improve lol
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First of all, I haven't actualy thought of that before, but if they do give us analog movement, they could also give us the option to use the D-pad for tactical changes, thus freeing up a whole button (L2) for more tricks, modifiers and such.

Secondly, I think you are wrong about the shooting, and for some reasons. :)

Firstly, you don't always want to aim in the 6 directions you mention, and that are currently in PES. For example, if you have just struck a corner, and the ball lands on your players feet in the box, odds are, you are going to hae the goalkeeper in the middle of the goal, and a player by the post. In that situation, I would prefer to be able to aim in-between them. You can't do that at all, and that means that you are likely to hit the goalkeeper or the player by the post, unless you are "fortunate" enough for the player to completely mishit the ball and send it between them. And let me tell you, you know something is wrong when you are hopeing for a mishit... ;)

I know it might seem like a small thing, but it is that level of detail (occasionally being able to strike it bjust between 2 players on purpose) that is required to make the game more genuine, and to give it variation enough to never be boring.


Secondly, even the 9 directions you mention (using the powerbar to vary the height) is flawed, since by definition, it is almost always impossible to give groundshots a really hard power. The "normal" byproduct of shooting a soccer ball harder is often that the ball gets more height, but the way it is implemented in PES means it is more like the norm than a "trend". And in real-life, it is more the stance and footshape that determines height, and that you have no control over at all in PES.

Sure, you can sort of get realistic results with a bit of luck and such, but it is all too inconsistent and wobbly-wobbly for me. I want a solid system that gives me full control over where I WANT the ball to go.

As for Football Kingdom, I agree that it is flawed in alot of ways. But, when I (and many others) say it looks grea,t we are most likely referring to the beautiful longpasses (that are aimed, and curled completely by the player, not AI) and the passsing which (thanks to the aim being up to the player and not AI) is always slightly off and never perfect in power or accuracy. Also, the 360 player movement means that the game looks awesome (in low-resolutions you could mistake it for a real soccergame, whereas PES will always be immediately recognized by the clumky turning of players).


Not trying to be a jerk at all mate, my suger-coating generally dissapears a bit as the night progresses. ;)
 
Re: WE/PES 2008 Next Gen - Discussions Thread (Last Update 07/27/07)

how can people complaining for a game which comes once every year it has so much depth in gameplay that most of the fans will get the newest version without even fully master the previous one and their still complaining about this and that, is not the game that is wrong is someone else consider the tekken fans for example they get a new game after 3 or 4 years always complaining about this or rhe game is crap or they must hire someone to fix the graphics lol the other guy his a programmer and sais konami are doing it wrong and this and that ok then y don't u make a better game yourselves ..yeah gather around one day and give it a shot u never know right? Why complaining so much? for what? for a game which at the end of the day u and only u decide if ur going to buy it or not everyone is moaning and moaning all the time like their being forced to play the game just change habit or better get a life no offence to anyone
 
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how can people complaining for a game which comes once every year it has so much depth in gameplay that most of the fans will get the newest version without even fully master the previous one and their still complaining about this and that is not the game that is wrong is someone else consider the tekken fans for example they get a new game after 3 or 4 years always complaining and this is crap that is wrong or they must hire someone to fix the graphics lol the other guy wants shoelaces the other guy is a programmer who sais konami are doing it wrong and this and that ok then y don't u make better a better game yourselves ..yeah gather around one day and give it a shot u never know right?
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Re: WE/PES 2008 Next Gen - Discussions Thread (Last Update 07/27/07)

Allright, for those who can't be arsed to read the last 3 pages of the big boys let's summarize.

- PES6 sucks big time, Seabass is a stupid idiot and on top of that lazy...
- All the people who have negative comments are the best players of all their friends, but if they loose which happens more and more, it's not because they are louzy at PES (no remeber: among their friends, they are by far the best player...please keep that in mind).No they lose because the AI is shit and that lazy shit of a seabass is to blame for all this misery and the injured ego's.
- Everybody who tend to disagree is a stupid fanboy who just has to shut up. Everybody who has the nerve to suggest that maybe they are moaning just a litle bit has to shut up because this is a forum and forums are made to give opinions.
- And then there is the "argument of arguments": I'm a programmer myself...oh dear, oh dear...who would have the nerve to argue with these halfgods...Well i have a suggestion: why don't you make a new football game which surely will be much better than the one that that litle shit Seabass has been maling (and that you buy year in year out...).

Im' just a stupid old idiot fanboy and so who cares what i think, but you guys sound like spoiled brats to me...Darfur anyone????? No go away: PES6 is pants....

Don't want to offend anybody but sometimes i go into turbo mode...


Ieathalfgodsforsupperandafterwardsvomitseriuslybecauseiveeatentoomuch.
 
Re: WE/PES 2008 Next Gen - Discussions Thread (Last Update 07/27/07)

i agree with all of jacks points about pes6. the game just isn't fun to play. i still have an ML in pes5 that i revisit from time to time and i really actually enjoy playing that game compared to pes6. pes5 had problems of its own, but i feel pes6 moved backwards in the series. pessimism aside, i really truly feel that the pes '08 will be a step forward; not leaps and bounds, but a nice steady step.
 
Re: WE/PES 2008 Next Gen - Discussions Thread (Last Update 07/27/07)

i'm not overly critical of pro evo, but i can see where jack is coming from...me personally the gameplay needs to be tweaked and the annoying bits ironed out, which iv'e heard is being done...not going to read to much into what has been said on the forum until iv'e got the game in front of me and played it to death

i would also like to see konami raise their game as in terms of realism i.e players sliding on their fronts when youv'e hit them with a crunching tackle, nets to respond when a goal is scored

decent adboards, the one's in the current 360 version are awful..fifa champs league ones are spot on and would be a welcome addition

perhaps i'm hoping for to much but i used to patch my game on the ps2 and i probably had a good thing making my game look the way i wanted it to but i can dream
 
Re: WE/PES 2008 Next Gen - Discussions Thread (Last Update 07/27/07)

well said, Stan, very true.

This thread is really hard to read with endless moaning and negativity. How can you say that PES 6 is shit? It is too scripted in some areas like shooting for example, i agree. But it's still a very interesting game to play. And it's far better than PES 3. The passing there was horrible. It was almost impossible to score from outside the penalty box, shots just would fly over the bar most of the time. Animations were crap, after a couple of matches it looked all the same no matter who you play for. Players didn't look like individuals, take Riquelme for example, he is fantastic passer, but in game, no matter how high passing accuracy stat you give him he wasn't even able to make an easy through pass. The goals for most of the time were the same, no long-range ones, almost 95% of goals were scored by your strikers on 1-on-1 situations. I'm not PES 6 fan boy or whatever, but you can't compare the two games in terms of realism and overall control of the players, in PES 3 passing was way too scripted.

Stats affect the game 10 times more than in any previous versions. If your player has low weaker foot accuracy, you will see him shooting with his main foot for most of the time. In PES 3 even the guys like Nedved or Juninho were mostly using their right foot for shooting where in real life they use both equally. In PES 6 if you know how the player acts in real life it's very easy for you to make him act the same in the game, Fabregas will be giving some perfect pin point passes, Martins is able to outrun any central defender with ease, Buffon carries out some really nice saves, Lahm is very dangerous from the side with his shooting, dribbling and speed.

PES 6 definitely has some flaws like scripted shooting in some situations, but for most of the times I'm able to put the shot where I want if the player is skilled enough and has shooting accuracy at least 81+. Defence is acting stupid sometimes when CPU chips the ball behind their backs to the sprinting striker. Everything else is just ok.

What I wanna say, PES 3 was definitely a great game for it's time, but it's no way better than PES 6 or WE 2007.
 
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shilam0unainai said:
how can people complaining for a game which comes once every year it has so much depth in gameplay that most of the fans will get the newest version without even fully master the previous one and their still complaining about this and that, is not the game that is wrong is someone else consider the tekken fans for example they get a new game after 3 or 4 years always complaining about this or rhe game is crap or they must hire someone to fix the graphics lol the other guy his a programmer and sais konami are doing it wrong and this and that ok then y don't u make a better game yourselves ..yeah gather around one day and give it a shot u never know right? Why complaining so much? for what? for a game which at the end of the day u and only u decide if ur going to buy it or not everyone is moaning and moaning all the time like their being forced to play the game just change habit or better get a life no offence to anyone
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Well done:applause:
 
Re: WE/PES 2008 Next Gen - Discussions Thread (Last Update 07/27/07)

Stan said:
Allright, for those who can't be arsed to read the last 3 pages of the big boys let's summarize.

- PES6 sucks big time, Seabass is a stupid idiot and on top of that lazy...
- All the people who have negative comments are the best players of all their friends, but if they loose which happens more and more, it's not because they are louzy at PES (no remeber: among their friends, they are by far the best player...please keep that in mind).No they lose because the AI is shit and that lazy shit of a seabass is to blame for all this misery and the injured ego's.
- Everybody who tend to disagree is a stupid fanboy who just has to shut up. Everybody who has the nerve to suggest that maybe they are moaning just a litle bit has to shut up because this is a forum and forums are made to give opinions.
- And then there is the "argument of arguments": I'm a programmer myself...oh dear, oh dear...who would have the nerve to argue with these halfgods...Well i have a suggestion: why don't you make a new football game which surely will be much better than the one that that litle shit Seabass has been maling (and that you buy year in year out...).

Im' just a stupid old idiot fanboy and so who cares what i think, but you guys sound like spoiled brats to me...Darfur anyone????? No go away: PES6 is pants....

Don't want to offend anybody but sometimes i go into turbo mode...


Ieathalfgodsforsupperandafterwardsvomitseriuslybecauseiveeatentoomuch.
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Heheheh. Well said bro :x:
 
Re: WE/PES 2008 Next Gen - Discussions Thread (Last Update 07/27/07)

Yes I agree with Stan as well. I skipped the large posts from Jack and the answers to that. I am a little tired of reading them for the same reason Stan told.
 
Re: WE/PES 2008 Next Gen - Discussions Thread (Last Update 07/27/07)

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The more you try to explain your position in an intelligent way, the less people want to listen, and the more stupid posts get drawn in (from people I respected, as well). It's unbelievable how you can go through something and explain yourself in as much detail as possible, and get the same reaction as if you'd said "PES IS SHIT LOL". You get so little respect on here if you want to see the game improve, and you can list its faults.

Thank you Adonis, you're the only PES fan who's actually read, understood and discussed what I said (even though you mostly disagree), rather than dismiss it as a pointless moan. Thank God it's the people like you who run PES news sites.
 
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Re: WE/PES 2008 Next Gen - Discussions Thread (Last Update 07/27/07)

Jack Bauer said:
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The more you try to explain your position in an intelligent way, the less people want to listen, and the more stupid posts get drawn in (from people I respected, as well). It's unbelievable how you can go through something and explain yourself in as much detail as possible, and get the same reaction as if you'd said "PES IS SHIT LOL". You get so little respect on here if you want to see the game improve, and you can list its faults.

Thank you Adonis, you're the only PES fan who's actually read, understood and discussed what I said (even though you mostly disagree), rather than dismiss it as a pointless moan. Thank God it's the people like you who run PES news sites.
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I totally agree with you man
 
Re: WE/PES 2008 Next Gen - Discussions Thread (Last Update 07/27/07)

kouroux said:
I totally agree with you ,I recently discovered this Kingdom of Football ,well the long passing looks really superb and I agree about everything concerning the lack of control of the game.However if all the changes you mentionned were to miraculously happen ,how players will interfere with it.I mean if you're really god at it ,won't you have crap players passing like real masters ??I'm just asking and I'm not assuming 100% total control is bad thing but however will include players stats ( specially the passing stats)
Thank you
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Hi, can i ask where you found this game? is there a PAL version? I don't suppose it's bakcward compatible on the ps3?

Thanks
 
Re: WE/PES 2008 Next Gen - Discussions Thread (Last Update 07/27/07)

Allright, for those who can't be arsed to read the last 3 pages of the big boys let's summarize.

- PES6 sucks big time, Seabass is a stupid idiot and on top of that lazy...
- All the people who have negative comments are the best players of all their friends, but if they loose which happens more and more, it's not because they are louzy at PES (no remeber: among their friends, they are by far the best player...please keep that in mind).No they lose because the AI is shit and that lazy shit of a seabass is to blame for all this misery and the injured ego's.
- Everybody who tend to disagree is a stupid fanboy who just has to shut up. Everybody who has the nerve to suggest that maybe they are moaning just a litle bit has to shut up because this is a forum and forums are made to give opinions.
- And then there is the "argument of arguments": I'm a programmer myself...oh dear, oh dear...who would have the nerve to argue with these halfgods...Well i have a suggestion: why don't you make a new football game which surely will be much better than the one that that litle shit Seabass has been maling (and that you buy year in year out...).

Im' just a stupid old idiot fanboy and so who cares what i think, but you guys sound like spoiled brats to me...Darfur anyone????? No go away: PES6 is pants....

Don't want to offend anybody but sometimes i go into turbo mode...


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You're a bit of a moron considering that people are not just moaning for the sake of it and most of all, a lot of people seem to be in agreeance on several of the grievances that have been raised with the game - you may not see it that way but I'd suggest that is because you lack intelligence. There are several areas of the game that need improving and whether you love the game and think it's perfect makes no difference, it is not a matter of opinion but plain fact that there are problems which need resolving and while the problems remain so painfully obtrusive there will always be people around not willing to accept it. As Jack said:

It's unbelievable how you can go through something and explain yourself in as much detail as possible, and get the same reaction as if you'd said "PES IS SHIT LOL". You get so little respect on here if you want to see the game improve, and you can list its faults.
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