EditorInChimp
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Re: WE/PES 2008 Next Gen - Discussions Thread (Last Update 08/18/07)
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WE/PES 2008 Next Gen - Discussions Thread
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Bingham67
Champions League
- 17 July 2005
Re: WE/PES 2008 Next Gen - Discussions Thread (Last Update 08/18/07)
PES 2008 article after reading my anticipation for game has crept up sounds awesome.
Highlights for me were
* "During our playtest we tried passing it around the box, nicking it back from the goal line, scoring from crosses, heading in corners - pretty much every kind of attack pattern we could think off and each time the result was different, with the defence and keeper adapting to the way we were playing."
* What's more, goalies are far more likely to palm shots away to the side rather than fumble them out into the six-yard box, so there are fewer chances to nick a cheap goal from up close.
Second one being a big thing for me keepers Parry so stupidly at times in PES 6 which resulted in easy tap ins.
Also 40% got to be a typo surely unless they played it a long time ago. ?
Really hope they played it a while ago and we are not getting old version at Leipzig.
Edit: Also keep this thread to its title next gen discussion otherwise stuff gets confusing.
PES 2008 article after reading my anticipation for game has crept up sounds awesome.
Highlights for me were
* "During our playtest we tried passing it around the box, nicking it back from the goal line, scoring from crosses, heading in corners - pretty much every kind of attack pattern we could think off and each time the result was different, with the defence and keeper adapting to the way we were playing."
* What's more, goalies are far more likely to palm shots away to the side rather than fumble them out into the six-yard box, so there are fewer chances to nick a cheap goal from up close.
Second one being a big thing for me keepers Parry so stupidly at times in PES 6 which resulted in easy tap ins.
Also 40% got to be a typo surely unless they played it a long time ago. ?
Really hope they played it a while ago and we are not getting old version at Leipzig.
Edit: Also keep this thread to its title next gen discussion otherwise stuff gets confusing.
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tobi
"Clear Eyes Full Hearts Can't Lose."
- 5 August 2005
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Re: WE/PES 2008 Next Gen - Discussions Thread (Last Update 08/18/07)
Twas a nice read.
Twas a nice read.
Re: WE/PES 2008 Next Gen - Discussions Thread (Last Update 08/18/07)
the question is why? No one here either bitching or non bitching can figure that out, and dont tell me laziniess, that is not it.At least I wont accept that excuse.
the question is why? No one here either bitching or non bitching can figure that out, and dont tell me laziniess, that is not it.At least I wont accept that excuse.
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Re: WE/PES 2008 Next Gen - Discussions Thread (Last Update 08/18/07)
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It's very odd. I think it's just the fact that they don't listen to anyone outside of Japan, and the Japanese don't have a problem with the game.
Agreed (for once :freak
.It's very odd. I think it's just the fact that they don't listen to anyone outside of Japan, and the Japanese don't have a problem with the game.
TikTikTikTikTik
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- 7 August 2004
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Re: WE/PES 2008 Next Gen - Discussions Thread (Last Update 08/18/07)
Eh?! I was only being sarcastic when talking about the wave seabass, why dont you start listening to the ML complaints! It's a bit sad when a off the cuff comment thats said in jest of a company/game actually ends up being true.
Tbh not a lot has gotton me excited about the IGN preview, and thats disregarding their general pes fanboy reviewing (the 40% was probably a directed typo to make people think this game will be a great improvement). The teamvision was what i was expecting it to be, but i think it will probably need to be more agressive and realtime (instead of it being from game to game which seems to be the case from the previews).
The whole ML comments, both in this and all the others, have made it seem like the "massive ML improvements"(copyright pes5 release) will be just those few changes/additions. And i use the word "additions" lightly.
So again what are we left with? An improved AI, a couple more stadiums, a few different teams, slightly improved graphics, the most useless ML additions. I mean choosing which players fans will cheer on more has got to be at the bottom of most people's wishes. And the whole play a beatifull game/great fans vs transfer stuff will be so minimal it will just come down to paying more money.
Which game did that already? i remember we9 palming shots to the side, with most of them ending up in the side of the net. The wrong side of the net, meaning they had just palmed the ball into their own goal. Maybe they have reintroduced that as a new addition/improvement, wouldnt be the first time.
@ Han, you mean youre trying to tell me they will be having the same presentation everyday of the convention?
Im still hoping, what with an hour scheduled for pes08, that they have some big news to tell this week. But so far none of the previews have even hinted at anything remotely worthy.
Eh?! I was only being sarcastic when talking about the wave seabass, why dont you start listening to the ML complaints! It's a bit sad when a off the cuff comment thats said in jest of a company/game actually ends up being true.
Tbh not a lot has gotton me excited about the IGN preview, and thats disregarding their general pes fanboy reviewing (the 40% was probably a directed typo to make people think this game will be a great improvement). The teamvision was what i was expecting it to be, but i think it will probably need to be more agressive and realtime (instead of it being from game to game which seems to be the case from the previews).
The whole ML comments, both in this and all the others, have made it seem like the "massive ML improvements"(copyright pes5 release) will be just those few changes/additions. And i use the word "additions" lightly.
So again what are we left with? An improved AI, a couple more stadiums, a few different teams, slightly improved graphics, the most useless ML additions. I mean choosing which players fans will cheer on more has got to be at the bottom of most people's wishes. And the whole play a beatifull game/great fans vs transfer stuff will be so minimal it will just come down to paying more money.
Which game did that already? i remember we9 palming shots to the side, with most of them ending up in the side of the net. The wrong side of the net, meaning they had just palmed the ball into their own goal. Maybe they have reintroduced that as a new addition/improvement, wouldnt be the first time.
@ Han, you mean youre trying to tell me they will be having the same presentation everyday of the convention?
Im still hoping, what with an hour scheduled for pes08, that they have some big news to tell this week. But so far none of the previews have even hinted at anything remotely worthy.
embraceuk1
Original Member Since 2001
Re: WE/PES 2008 Next Gen - Discussions Thread (Last Update 08/18/07)
My reasoning behind it is because they don't play Fifa in Japan and they have never played games like SWOS. So they have never played full career modes and don't know what they are missing out on.
The best example would be Winning Eleven: Tactics How can you even attempt a Manager Sim with so few teams and leagues it just doesn't work.
The Japanese are very much into Icons and Image so they Love Man Unt, Milan, Ronaldo ad Kaka etc. They don't care about or even understand lower league structure and teams thats are present.
Take Gran Turismo my fav comparison its all about the Cars that are in the Game and how they look and sound. Gameplay and substance is a secondary concern
My reasoning behind it is because they don't play Fifa in Japan and they have never played games like SWOS. So they have never played full career modes and don't know what they are missing out on.
The best example would be Winning Eleven: Tactics How can you even attempt a Manager Sim with so few teams and leagues it just doesn't work.
The Japanese are very much into Icons and Image so they Love Man Unt, Milan, Ronaldo ad Kaka etc. They don't care about or even understand lower league structure and teams thats are present.
Take Gran Turismo my fav comparison its all about the Cars that are in the Game and how they look and sound. Gameplay and substance is a secondary concern
Re: WE/PES 2008 Next Gen - Discussions Thread (Last Update 08/18/07)
great ing hands-on
but i gues some people will always complain.
i think konami have done alot, from what we have read so far, they improved the game overall alot more this year, compared to what they have done, in the past years (sins pes3) but ofcourse they will not give as a complited game eather.
i don't know why i bother, but when people will realise that no game company in the world, will give u a preffect game, especialy companys that they have to deliver a game each year.
konami knows what we want, they not stupit, but they have to come up with a strategy,
example: they know that, they have to deliver a game each year, for 6?years in this generation counsel, so they plan it in advance what do they have 2 improve each year, depending on what the fans want the most ofcourse. they give as the minimum from they ideas list to keep as going, with few new things here & there, then improve some gameplay issues that the fans where not happy with, in the last version,
there u have it, same thing will happen every year, with some few new things & iproved graphic.
my point is that people have to stop taking the game to serios & complaing all the time, we all want a ultra realistic preefect game, but the reality is, we can't ask alot from a game that it has to improve a little each year, cos at the end of the day its all about bussines$$$ & not what we all want
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sorry for my poor spelling (english)
great ing hands-on
but i gues some people will always complain.
i think konami have done alot, from what we have read so far, they improved the game overall alot more this year, compared to what they have done, in the past years (sins pes3) but ofcourse they will not give as a complited game eather.
i don't know why i bother, but when people will realise that no game company in the world, will give u a preffect game, especialy companys that they have to deliver a game each year.
konami knows what we want, they not stupit, but they have to come up with a strategy,
example: they know that, they have to deliver a game each year, for 6?years in this generation counsel, so they plan it in advance what do they have 2 improve each year, depending on what the fans want the most ofcourse. they give as the minimum from they ideas list to keep as going, with few new things here & there, then improve some gameplay issues that the fans where not happy with, in the last version,
there u have it, same thing will happen every year, with some few new things & iproved graphic.
my point is that people have to stop taking the game to serios & complaing all the time, we all want a ultra realistic preefect game, but the reality is, we can't ask alot from a game that it has to improve a little each year, cos at the end of the day its all about bussines$$$ & not what we all want
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sorry for my poor spelling (english)
Re: WE/PES 2008 Next Gen - Discussions Thread (Last Update 08/18/07)
Strong players can ride the challenges much better this time around, with the likes of Drogba able to hold onto the ball under pressure, resulting in spectacular solo runs into the box.
I dont know what this means ?
Strong players can ride the challenges much better this time around, with the likes of Drogba able to hold onto the ball under pressure, resulting in spectacular solo runs into the box.
I dont know what this means ?
tobi
"Clear Eyes Full Hearts Can't Lose."
- 5 August 2005
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- Spurs, Suns and Cowboys
Re: WE/PES 2008 Next Gen - Discussions Thread (Last Update 08/18/07)
Picture Rooney barging his way past 3/4 defenders or remember Messi's goal vs Getafe.
Yes Messi isn't strong but he is agile.
Picture Rooney barging his way past 3/4 defenders or remember Messi's goal vs Getafe.
Yes Messi isn't strong but he is agile.
voltes5
Banned
- 28 April 2006
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- FC Barcelona
Re: WE/PES 2008 Next Gen - Discussions Thread (Last Update 08/18/07)
It means that it easier for stronger players(R10, R9 Cristiano Ronaldo...) to get past your defence and its harder to take the ball of them.
It means that it easier for stronger players(R10, R9 Cristiano Ronaldo...) to get past your defence and its harder to take the ball of them.
airjoca
International
voltes5
Banned
- 28 April 2006
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Re: WE/PES 2008 Next Gen - Discussions Thread (Last Update 08/18/07)
I think you mean Cristiano Ronaldo.
I think you mean Cristiano Ronaldo.
embraceuk1
Original Member Since 2001
Re: WE/PES 2008 Next Gen - Discussions Thread (Last Update 08/18/07)
I am only interested in the single player MasterLeague and i give clear examples of why what they have done isn't enough and clear examples of easy stuff they could be doing or may have done but kept it a secret so far.
I don't come on and say what they have done so far is great and give no examples.
Or complain just for the sake of complaining like ppl do on the Fifa thread.
Look at where Konami took the game when ppl started to take notice and it had no competition from Fifa.
Imagine Konami without Criticism and just a bunch of mindless Fanboys.
I am only interested in the single player MasterLeague and i give clear examples of why what they have done isn't enough and clear examples of easy stuff they could be doing or may have done but kept it a secret so far.
I don't come on and say what they have done so far is great and give no examples.
Or complain just for the sake of complaining like ppl do on the Fifa thread.
Look at where Konami took the game when ppl started to take notice and it had no competition from Fifa.
Imagine Konami without Criticism and just a bunch of mindless Fanboys.
NickSCFC
Banned
Re: WE/PES 2008 Next Gen - Discussions Thread (Last Update 08/18/07)
So PES 2008 is already on the GC showfloor?
Reckon Suff and Adonis have played it then?
So PES 2008 is already on the GC showfloor?
Reckon Suff and Adonis have played it then?
EditorInChimp
League 2
- 14 August 2007
Re: WE/PES 2008 Next Gen - Discussions Thread (Last Update 08/18/07)
no that would have been an advanced copy, though WENB hasnt been updated perhaps they are there
no that would have been an advanced copy, though WENB hasnt been updated perhaps they are there
SXFuzz
Championship
- 17 November 2001
Re: WE/PES 2008 Next Gen - Discussions Thread (Last Update 08/18/07)
They probably read your post and included it in their "hands on".
They probably read your post and included it in their "hands on".
Re: WE/PES 2008 Next Gen - Discussions Thread (Last Update 08/18/07)
I do not agree with your opinion about the ML. In fact, I find it a very nice improvement about the popularity-points you can divide over the team. That will make it a nice athmosphere during play.
It's only a tiny little thing but I love it
Yes, it clearly said there is a daily presentation. I think the first day to the press and all other days for the visitors.
I do not agree with your opinion about the ML. In fact, I find it a very nice improvement about the popularity-points you can divide over the team. That will make it a nice athmosphere during play.
It's only a tiny little thing but I love it
The_Knight
Champions League
- 13 December 2005
Re: WE/PES 2008 Next Gen - Discussions Thread (Last Update 08/18/07)
That also was my first impression.
Re: WE/PES 2008 Next Gen - Discussions Thread (Last Update 08/18/07)
good point but i don't think konami will listen 2 any of as, at this time of the year, as the game will come out in a few months, but yeah when the game comes out we can see exactly what is wrong with it, ofcourse we have to be critical so they (konami) take note and improve the game for the nexr version, but not now, as we haven't even see the game in motion or play it yet, so no matter how much we complaing about graphic gameplay or ML, we won't know for sure if it will be better or not till we try it or see it for our selfs. u ar only interested in ML single player mode, same me, & many of as, but as i said earlyer they will not give as everything in one go, they have improved the edit mode\\:o/ and only that well make many people very happy, but again we have to wait & see
good point but i don't think konami will listen 2 any of as, at this time of the year, as the game will come out in a few months, but yeah when the game comes out we can see exactly what is wrong with it, ofcourse we have to be critical so they (konami) take note and improve the game for the nexr version, but not now, as we haven't even see the game in motion or play it yet, so no matter how much we complaing about graphic gameplay or ML, we won't know for sure if it will be better or not till we try it or see it for our selfs. u ar only interested in ML single player mode, same me, & many of as, but as i said earlyer they will not give as everything in one go, they have improved the edit mode\\:o/ and only that well make many people very happy, but again we have to wait & see
HOMERSIMPSON
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Re: WE/PES 2008 Next Gen - Discussions Thread (Last Update 08/18/07)
nice preveiw give me something to read i'm especialy liking the the crowd noices bit
ps: Am I the youngest guy on this forum
nice preveiw give me something to read i'm especialy liking the the crowd noices bit
ps: Am I the youngest guy on this forum
TikTikTikTikTik
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- 7 August 2004
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- Liverpool
Re: WE/PES 2008 Next Gen - Discussions Thread (Last Update 08/18/07)
Oh ok, i thought the games companies would only have 1 presentation (like sony,ms,nintendo at e3). But i guess it makes more sense to have it daily so everybody can see everything due to overlapping presentations.
As for the ML, maybe it is a nice addition, but i think you said it best with; "It's only a tiny little thing". Its not enough if they want 60e for the game, EA have shown the effort in the past 3 years, 2 years fro a brand new engine which has the potential to be great and another year, this past, to increase the content to some 30 leagues with all the modes back in. When are konami gonna do the same?! They sell the same amount of games, if not more then fifa and they dont have the licensing costs either so where the f$%k is all the money going? If we all just say, "yes very nice, thank you seabass for this beautiful mexican wave, dog head, dino suit, etc" they will never change the game. There is a growing number of negativity towards konami, and its also finally spreading to the gamesites who are now also voicing their critisism. Thats the only way they will do something. Cant believe how easily pleased some people are on here (not you Han, who i regard as hopefull more then anything else ). Sometimes it seems as if they cant even think for themselves,.....
han said:
Oh ok, i thought the games companies would only have 1 presentation (like sony,ms,nintendo at e3). But i guess it makes more sense to have it daily so everybody can see everything due to overlapping presentations.
As for the ML, maybe it is a nice addition, but i think you said it best with; "It's only a tiny little thing". Its not enough if they want 60e for the game, EA have shown the effort in the past 3 years, 2 years fro a brand new engine which has the potential to be great and another year, this past, to increase the content to some 30 leagues with all the modes back in. When are konami gonna do the same?! They sell the same amount of games, if not more then fifa and they dont have the licensing costs either so where the f$%k is all the money going? If we all just say, "yes very nice, thank you seabass for this beautiful mexican wave, dog head, dino suit, etc" they will never change the game. There is a growing number of negativity towards konami, and its also finally spreading to the gamesites who are now also voicing their critisism. Thats the only way they will do something. Cant believe how easily pleased some people are on here (not you Han, who i regard as hopefull more then anything else
). Sometimes it seems as if they cant even think for themselves,.....
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Re: WE/PES 2008 Next Gen - Discussions Thread (Last Update 08/18/07)
Why do people say there's a new engine for pes2008 when there is clearly NOT? Maybe a new graphics engine, but the game engine is the same, exactly, they have only tweaked again some things and added new animations.
About teamvision, it's gonna be the biggest let down. Any intelligent and experienced programmer knows that the AI of PES is very very bad and primitive. That's why they can't have the ball free and is assigned to events/ players. Teamvision will only be a new variety of cheats, it can't be any other thing. If they had added the new "TEAM AI", making all the members of a team to think as a whole depending on stats, that would be great, but no, teamvision only makes your COM opponent better at stoping your preferres plays. And how? Obviously, by cheating, there's no other way. By marking better your wingers, by pressing better... things that YOUR team won't be allowed to do, because your team is not going to adapt to anything.
I still can't understand how people talks about PES being an "organic and flowless simulation" when it's a cheap mechanical arcade! I guess people is very bad at really watching what the game does. If we had a new engine, there would have different stats for the players (the same from... how many years?), different controls, different game mechanics. We have NONE of that. Only contextual improvements that in ANY case affect to the core of the game, which is the same from pes3 (and it's still Pes3 the best version of all).
So, bad news again and again, there's nothing next gen to pes.
Why do people say there's a new engine for pes2008 when there is clearly NOT? Maybe a new graphics engine, but the game engine is the same, exactly, they have only tweaked again some things and added new animations.
About teamvision, it's gonna be the biggest let down. Any intelligent and experienced programmer knows that the AI of PES is very very bad and primitive. That's why they can't have the ball free and is assigned to events/ players. Teamvision will only be a new variety of cheats, it can't be any other thing. If they had added the new "TEAM AI", making all the members of a team to think as a whole depending on stats, that would be great, but no, teamvision only makes your COM opponent better at stoping your preferres plays. And how? Obviously, by cheating, there's no other way. By marking better your wingers, by pressing better... things that YOUR team won't be allowed to do, because your team is not going to adapt to anything.
I still can't understand how people talks about PES being an "organic and flowless simulation" when it's a cheap mechanical arcade! I guess people is very bad at really watching what the game does. If we had a new engine, there would have different stats for the players (the same from... how many years?), different controls, different game mechanics. We have NONE of that. Only contextual improvements that in ANY case affect to the core of the game, which is the same from pes3 (and it's still Pes3 the best version of all).
So, bad news again and again, there's nothing next gen to pes.
Re: WE/PES 2008 Next Gen - Discussions Thread (Last Update 08/18/07)
Oh please no, not the Adriano mess again
Oh please no, not the Adriano mess again
Putuco Malo
PES 2012
- 12 August 2003
Re: WE/PES 2008 Next Gen - Discussions Thread (Last Update 08/18/07)
That quote about Drogba means Ibrahimovic and Adriano will have big parties with defenses. Well done Konami!
I am critic to the game, but not at the extreme embraceuk reaches. You need to understand that some people plays ML and some others just do the multiplayer part. I do understand your complaints, but the game is not a shit like you want to show us.
The fact that they don't put fake leagues so we can edit them and look them as official also annoys me and it is a real joke.
Well... let's wait until Leipzig... does anyone here will go there?
That quote about Drogba means Ibrahimovic and Adriano will have big parties with defenses. Well done Konami!
I am critic to the game, but not at the extreme embraceuk reaches. You need to understand that some people plays ML and some others just do the multiplayer part. I do understand your complaints, but the game is not a shit like you want to show us.
The fact that they don't put fake leagues so we can edit them and look them as official also annoys me and it is a real joke.
Well... let's wait until Leipzig... does anyone here will go there?
kobashi
Champions League
- 19 May 2004
Re: WE/PES 2008 Next Gen - Discussions Thread (Last Update 08/18/07)
you make a very good point about teamvision. not having your CPU players adapting to the A.I. teamvision is a problem.
you make a very good point about teamvision. not having your CPU players adapting to the A.I. teamvision is a problem.
tobi
"Clear Eyes Full Hearts Can't Lose."
- 5 August 2005
- Team
- Spurs, Suns and Cowboys
Re: WE/PES 2008 Next Gen - Discussions Thread (Last Update 08/18/07)
I've seen many an occasion when Zlatan for example has used his strength and uber skills to get past 3/4 players.
It happens in real life so what have Konami done wrong?
e.g. Messi' goal vs Getafe this year, he doesn't do it every game but he has the attributes to do it so people should stop criticizing Konami unnecessarily.
I've seen many an occasion when Zlatan for example has used his strength and uber skills to get past 3/4 players.
It happens in real life so what have Konami done wrong?
e.g. Messi' goal vs Getafe this year, he doesn't do it every game but he has the attributes to do it so people should stop criticizing Konami unnecessarily.
winston
Champions League
- 7 August 2005
Re: WE/PES 2008 Next Gen - Discussions Thread (Last Update 08/18/07)
The fear I have is with the apparent lack of progress with PES is that, whilst FIFA has clearly been closing the gap by really trying to improve their gameplay, they may look at PES and realise it's not actually that much better than their gameplay engine any more and decicde they don't need to try too hard either. We end up with 2 stagnant games.
The fear I have is with the apparent lack of progress with PES is that, whilst FIFA has clearly been closing the gap by really trying to improve their gameplay, they may look at PES and realise it's not actually that much better than their gameplay engine any more and decicde they don't need to try too hard either. We end up with 2 stagnant games.
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