WE/PES 2008 Next Gen - Discussions Thread

[Trance_Allstar]

Re: WE/PES 2008 Next Gen - Discussions Thread (Last Update 08/18/07)

That's how I'd love it to be .There should an element of unpredictability even if you aim perfectly,that's how it happens in real life.The more skilled your player is ,the more successful his shots will be.This way it wouldn't be nor too easy nor too difficult.

fun but also unrealistic , some people first ask for realism then want more of a arcade feel to the game. it's like ping pong on FK , the thing pes need to include is a power bar which is the same as the shooting bar which would be the ideal solution.

I agree. A powerbar is essential for realism. That also gives alot more depth when striking normal passes, because you can't just press X and the player does it all for you. You need to evaluate what type of pass you want, and then try to get the power to match (which is exactly how you do it in real life.

So if we have powerbars on passes, we need to apply power based on a number of criteria, for example:

- How far away is the teammate, I need enough power to reach him
- How skilled is the teammate, and will he have problems receiving a pass that is a bit too hard
- Where are the opponents, and how hard do I need to pass the ball to make sure the opponents cannot rush between and intercept

And you will constantly be forced to judge the optimal pass strenght, since a stronger pass will arrive quicker, but if it is too fast, the receiving player might need more time to get it under control. So constantly passing hard passes to try and exploit the system won't work well, since the players will most likely need more time due to the problems with receiving powerful balls.


Obviously I also want analog aim of the passes, since I find there are to many times wheremy player takes it upon himself to try and predict a teammates movement, and essentially striking the ball way ahead of my player for an opponent to intercept, or not realizing the receiver is just about to start a run, causing the pass to go where the teammate was before he started his movement.

I'm English but I have lived here in Stockholm for about 8 years now. My Swedish is (apparently!) perfect and many people can't tell that I'm English, which is a good sign. Unlike Billy Lansdowne!

Good luck against the Americans on wednesday by the way!

I am currently waiting for Blade Runner to be released on Blu-ray and I can't wait. My favourite film ever.

I know of BIlly, I have watched some Saturday afternoon football back in the day. I'm not that into "real" football TBH (especially Swedish, mostly La Liga for me) but that reference I got. Kudos though, I don't think alot of Englishspeaking people are able to get rid of their accents. It's always fun hearing Americans trying to say something in Swedish, whilst they still talk way back in their throats. Or just trying to pronounce å, ä, ö.

I forgot about that match, thanks for the reminder...

I like it alot aswell, especially Vangelis' music for the movie. By far the best music for a film ever. Hope they do a good proper remastering/restoration of audio and video for the Blu-Ray, the movie deserves it.

 

[Trance_Allstar]

Re: WE/PES 2008 Next Gen - Discussions Thread (Last Update 08/18/07)

Can anyone remember a movie from winning eleven,i think it was we8, where some japanese players played long manual passes, it was awesome.

Looked even better than FK, and the play was really good, i'll try to find it.

Let me know if you do.

TBH I despise the Manual Passes in PES. They aren't even manual, only 16-way digital, which means they are still inaccurate for longer crosses and such, not to mention it is awkward using the right analog for passing, when the left stick is what I use all the time. ANd the right stick is what you do roulettes and such with so there is conflicting in that sense aswell.

FK also has curling which adds so much to the aesthetics. Aftertouch curling is obviously physically impossible since the ball starts curling after it levaes the boot, and not _when_ it leaves the boot. But on the other hand I would personally love it if KONAMI implemented Aftertouch Curling, since I feel the gameplay benefits of being able to add spin to crosses and shots far outweigh the "physically impossible" aspect...
If you have played the ISS series on N64, I need not say anything else. In ISS2000, you could even curl throw-ins and headers to some degree. Awesome.

 

[The_Knight]

Re: WE/PES 2008 Next Gen - Discussions Thread (Last Update 08/18/07)

Well in your list, all you says are in PES2008
net animation, manual passing, long curve pass etc...

What about dribbling animations... for 4 months that was all that we heard about PES2008.

However "re-made" they are, I doubt they'll look half as good as the ones I saw in this higher quality video of FK. All I saw was 360 movement, coupled with great animations (the falls, jumps and collisions)and all the possibilities.

Evident 360 movement
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=z3ICZmWhWYo&mode=related&search=

 

[Disqo]

Re: WE/PES 2008 Next Gen - Discussions Thread (Last Update 08/18/07)

A 4 year old Namco game is taking over this thread. Amzaing

Lmao, I know what I don't get is why it has taken this long for it to gain notoriety for the aspects that it has got right (ie nets, manual passing etc) and why Namco does not want to make any more

 

[djdoc]

Re: WE/PES 2008 Next Gen - Discussions Thread (Last Update 08/18/07)

Its gaining it now because people are actually making comparisons between it and PES which they werent really doing before... Also it was a Japan Release Only was it not? another reason why it wouldnt have gained credit.

 

[ThomasGOAL]

Re: WE/PES 2008 Next Gen - Discussions Thread (Last Update 08/18/07)

No more rumors, no differences between PS3, 360 and PC version about graphisme, sound and mode, source Seabass

Thanks KAiWAi

 

[djdoc]

Re: WE/PES 2008 Next Gen - Discussions Thread (Last Update 08/18/07)

Thanks for that TG,I knew there would be NO difference for the PS3 version but some people do like to big up the PS3 dont they.... The words Told Ya So spring to mind.

 

[Han]

Re: WE/PES 2008 Next Gen - Discussions Thread (Last Update 08/18/07)

What about dribbling animations... for 4 months that was all that we heard about PES2008.

However "re-made" they are, I doubt they'll look half as good as the ones I saw in this higher quality video of FK. All I saw was 360 movement, coupled with great animations (the falls, jumps and collisions)and all the possibilities.

Evident 360 movement
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=z3ICZmWhWYo&mode=related&search=

Looks better than te previous movie, but the pace of the game is far too high.
If you did not know and I told you this movie was taken from the new PES 2008 you wouldn't leave anything left of it with your critics....

 

[WEtongelre]

Re: WE/PES 2008 Next Gen - Discussions Thread (Last Update 08/18/07)

Stop with this fake

I can't smell it is fake or not. Those are not my words

 

[djdoc]

Re: WE/PES 2008 Next Gen - Discussions Thread (Last Update 08/18/07)

They match a previous Fake almost word for word so I would say.. FAKE!

 

[TikTikTikTikTik]

Re: WE/PES 2008 Next Gen - Discussions Thread (Last Update 08/18/07)

Konami Liepzig schedule )from eurogamer.de:

11:00: Koji „IGA“ Igarashi, Castlevania: The Dracula X Chronicles
12:00: Team des neuen DS Titels
13:00: Hideo Kojima, Metal Gear Solid: Guns of the Patriots
14:00: William Oertel, Silent Hill Origins/Silent Hill V
15:00: Hideo Kojima, Metal Gear Solid: Guns of the Patriots
16:00: Aki Saito, PES 2008
17:00: Shingo Mukaitoge, Dewy’s Adventure

Does anyone know what day it is though? I couldnt find that in the german text, although i only browsed through it. http://www.eurogamer.de/article.php?article_id=81675

 

[Han]

Re: WE/PES 2008 Next Gen - Discussions Thread (Last Update 08/18/07)

Tiktiktiktik:

Die Zeiten für die täglichen Bühnenauftritte sehen wie folgt aus:
So, every day

 

[Lami]

Re: WE/PES 2008 Next Gen - Discussions Thread (Last Update 08/18/07)

No more rumors, no differences between PS3, 360 and PC version about graphisme, sound and mode, source Seabass

Thanks KAiWAi

Thank God. Don't have to buy me a ps3 then Good i can stick to my 360 :8):

 

[EditorInChimp]

Re: WE/PES 2008 Next Gen - Discussions Thread (Last Update 08/18/07)

22nd

 

[Placebo]

Re: WE/PES 2008 Next Gen - Discussions Thread (Last Update 08/18/07)

No more rumors, no differences between PS3, 360 and PC version about graphisme, sound and mode, source Seabass

Thanks KAiWAi

So on all three systems it'll look shit and have an outdated "old gen" career mode with stupid images of random old people on benches, good to know

 

[Han]

Re: WE/PES 2008 Next Gen - Discussions Thread (Last Update 08/18/07)

So on all three systems it'll look shit and have an outdated "old gen" career mode with stupid images of random old people on benches, good to know

Take one of your own placebo's to counter your depression towards the game :lol:

 

[Lami]

Re: WE/PES 2008 Next Gen - Discussions Thread (Last Update 08/18/07)

So on all three systems it'll look shit and have an outdated "old gen" career mode with stupid images of random old people on benches, good to know

Bullshit coming out of a PR manager, no wonder.

 

[Placebo]

Re: WE/PES 2008 Next Gen - Discussions Thread (Last Update 08/18/07)

I have no depression about the game, just a sense of realism, and that realism is

1. Konami cannot develop shit on next gen, look at it, there's nothing next gen there at all.
2. They have no clue about what gamers actually want in PES/WE (aside from those of you "I don't care I only play online" mentality who apparently are more than happy).
3. They're happy to earn millions in sales but refuse to invest some of that back by acquiring licenses, how many leagues are there? How many national teams? It's pathetic.

Compare what EA added from Fifa 07 - Fifa 08 on next gen, to what Konami added from PES6 next gen to PES 2008.

The PES fanboys can stick with their "perfect simulation of football" in meaningless one off matches or shallow "is it still 2004?" master league, I'll be managing Sheffield Wednesday in an in-depth next gen career mode with relegations and promotions and winning numerous real life trophies and competing against 100's of real life clubs around the world, with great presentation, exciting, passionate commentary.....A few over sized shorts and "monkey" footballers are insignificant compared to the whole that is Fifa 08 compared to the "part" game that is PES 2008.

 

[santiago]

Re: WE/PES 2008 Next Gen - Discussions Thread (Last Update 08/18/07)

I have no depression about the game, just a sense of realism, and that realism is

1. Konami cannot develop shit on next gen, look at it, there's nothing next gen there at all.
2. They have no clue about what gamers actually want in PES/WE (aside from those of you "I don't care I only play online" mentality who apparently are more than happy).
3. They're happy to earn millions in sales but refuse to invest some of that back by acquiring licenses, how many leagues are there? How many national teams? It's pathetic.

Compare what EA added from Fifa 07 - Fifa 08 on next gen, to what Konami added from PES6 next gen to PES 2008.

The PES fanboys can stick with their "perfect simulation of football" in meaningless one off matches or shallow "is it still 2004?" master league, I'll be managing Sheffield Wednesday in an in-depth next gen career mode with relegations and promotions and winning numerous real life trophies and competing against 100's of real life clubs around the world, with great presentation, exciting, passionate commentary.....A few over sized shorts and "monkey" footballers are insignificant compared to the whole that is Fifa 08 compared to the "part" game that is PES 2008.

dude, we are going to have dog pics in the ML. They can't do better than that.

 

[EditorInChimp]

Re: WE/PES 2008 Next Gen - Discussions Thread (Last Update 08/18/07)

2 days...woot!

 

[Placebo]

Re: WE/PES 2008 Next Gen - Discussions Thread (Last Update 08/18/07)

dude, we are going to have dog pics in the ML. They can't do better than that.

Perhaps if they added pics of dog shit it would be more appropriate

 

[charlievolano]

Re: WE/PES 2008 Next Gen - Discussions Thread (Last Update 08/18/07)

Poor playstation, even pes is not going to help sell that pricy machine.

Well then i'll be waiting for the 360 elite here in europe, hopefully it is gonna work properly.

Come on people, where are all your secret informers??? We haven't heard anything lately, a part that we will be playing only in 15 stadiums which suck big time.

 

[Han]

Re: WE/PES 2008 Next Gen - Discussions Thread (Last Update 08/18/07)

I have no depression about the game, just a sense of realism, and that realism is

1. Konami cannot develop shit on next gen, look at it, there's nothing next gen there at all.

I don't know what kind of game you want, but I don't want shit :lmao:
Just wait and see if Teamvision will be as good as I expect. That part is really next-gen.

2. They have no clue about what gamers actually want in PES/WE (aside from those of you "I don't care I only play online" mentality who apparently are more than happy).

I want a football-simulation, where players play to their own football-qualities ( read attributes ).
No Zidane-like passes from players with inferior attributes, just to name an example. I want to play football which is as close to the real thing as possible and PES is the only game that brings this. If I play 4-4-2 with team A it should play different from team B because of the difference in player-quality.
Try all of this in FIFA or whatever other footy and you don't get it. PES gives it to me

3. They're happy to earn millions in sales but refuse to invest some of that back by acquiring licenses, how many leagues are there? How many national teams? It's pathetic.

How happy FIFA will be?? Nothing wrong from earning some money. Quite a strange point from somebody who was a ( PR ) Manager....

 

[EditorInChimp]

Re: WE/PES 2008 Next Gen - Discussions Thread (Last Update 08/18/07)

T'aint gonna be no news cause all concerned in working with the game have been working on leipzig

 

[The_Knight]

Re: WE/PES 2008 Next Gen - Discussions Thread (Last Update 08/18/07)

Looks better than te previous movie, but the pace of the game is far too high.
If you did not know and I told you this movie was taken from the new PES 2008 you wouldn't leave anything left of it with your critics....

The number of things wrong with this game is countless, many of which are in PES and taken for granted. However, there is plenty to be admired about it.

Let's not forget this game is 4 years old, and is also the 1st attempt of Namco at soccergaming. Imagine continuous gameplay/graphics improvements over the duration of 4 years... I can't even imagine where this game could have gone. As I said, it lacked proper funding.

Football Kingdom seems to be one of the many games out there that were shut down by KONAMI and EA's grip over the soccergaming market.

 

[aussiepesfan]

Re: WE/PES 2008 Next Gen - Discussions Thread (Last Update 08/18/07)

I have no depression about the game, just a sense of realism, and that realism is

1. Konami cannot develop shit on next gen, look at it, there's nothing next gen there at all.
2. They have no clue about what gamers actually want in PES/WE (aside from those of you "I don't care I only play online" mentality who apparently are more than happy).
3. They're happy to earn millions in sales but refuse to invest some of that back by acquiring licenses, how many leagues are there? How many national teams? It's pathetic.

Compare what EA added from Fifa 07 - Fifa 08 on next gen, to what Konami added from PES6 next gen to PES 2008.

The PES fanboys can stick with their "perfect simulation of football" in meaningless one off matches or shallow "is it still 2004?" master league, I'll be managing Sheffield Wednesday in an in-depth next gen career mode with relegations and promotions and winning numerous real life trophies and competing against 100's of real life clubs around the world, with great presentation, exciting, passionate commentary.....A few over sized shorts and "monkey" footballers are insignificant compared to the whole that is Fifa 08 compared to the "part" game that is PES 2008.

LOL, you really deserve a beating =) Just to knock some sense into you... any takers??? *raisers his hand*

 

[The Power]

Re: WE/PES 2008 Next Gen - Discussions Thread (Last Update 08/18/07)

Konami GC Lineup pes 2008 will be playable on all plattforms

Konami nutzt die Messe ebenfalls, um PES 2008 zu präsentieren; erstmals haben Besucher die Gelegenheit, den Titel auf PLAYSTATION®3, Xbox 360, PC, PlayStation 2, PSP® (PlayStation®Portable) oder Nintendo DS anzuspielen. Die Games Convention markiert den ersten öffentlichen Auftritt von PES 2008. Die Fans werden damit auch zum ersten Mal das neue Teamvision KI System in Augenschein nehmen können, welches das Spielverhalten des Users aktiv beobachtet und entsprechend darauf reagiert. Konami wird während der Messe wichtige Ankündigungen zum Spiel machen und auch den deutschen Spieler bekannt geben, der neben Cristiano Ronaldo auf den lokalisierten Verpackungen und Werbematerialien in Deutschland erscheinen wird

 

[Han]

Re: WE/PES 2008 Next Gen - Discussions Thread (Last Update 08/18/07)

Imagine continuous gameplay/graphics improvements over the duration of 4 years... I can't even imagine where this game could have gone. As I said, it lacked proper funding.

Football Kingdom seems to be one of the many games out there that were shut down by KONAMI and EA's grip over the soccergaming market.

I don't think so. Improving football-games look like a learning curve. At the beginning there are so much things to improve and in that phase the game improves drasticly. If, however, a game is already on a high level for a long time , like PES is, it is hard to make improvements without unbalancing the game. Than you make a game worse. In my opinion this happened with PES 6 which was gameplay-wise not as good as PES 5 ( apart from HD view on the 360 ). They improved the speed and I found the pace of PES 5 perfect. This is just a small detail and Football Kingdom will be confronted with the same problems.
A learning curve often goes fast at the beginning but the more you learn, the smaller steps will be made in later phases....

 

[The_Knight]

Re: WE/PES 2008 Next Gen - Discussions Thread (Last Update 08/18/07)

I don't think so. Improving football-games look like a learning curve. At the beginning there are so much things to improve and in that phase the game improves drasticly. If, however, a game is already on a high level for a long time , like PES is, it is hard to make improvements without unbalancing the game.

Very true. But Football Kingdom has been released "as such". Meaning it has never got the chance of being improved. From what I saw, all this game had wrong was balancing gameplay issues. Pace, passes, defence...etc. However, it has a much stronger foundation that the 1st PES ever had.

Over 4 years, these balancing issues could have been tweaked and the game could have been superb.

Also, I'm sure youre talking about gameplay. Because graphical improvement would rely on a platform's lifespan and then it's all up to the producers of the game. In these regards, 4 years would have done a lot of good to this game's engine.

Even if PES starts working on 360 starting 2009, it will still be "inexperienced" with 360 movement. 360 movement is very tricky and if not implemented correctly, the entire game would be ridiculous. Probably why Seabass eliminated it from PES2008.

Whereas FK implemented 360 movevemt and analogue passes 4 years ago, and seems to have done a great job with it four years ago.

I don't think so. Improving football-games look like a learning curve. At the beginning there are so much things to improve and in that phase the game improves drasticly.

Exactly. Imagine if FK was given a second chance. There would be indeed "so much things to improve" and a drastic change would have been seen.
Don't forget we're not talking about FK2, 3 or 4. This is a really good game that didn't even get one round of improvement.

 

[BillyBoy]

Re: WE/PES 2008 Next Gen - Discussions Thread (Last Update 08/18/07)

I am hoping for a dramatic change from previous version when we see it in video form. Just wondering are handballs in PES 2008. I believe they were in PES 3.