The Retro-PES Corner

[hhtien1408]

It's kinda like PES4, but in reverse : the more you play the more you get into it and appreciate that version.
I never said it's a superb game but far from an abomination if you give it a chance.

Otherwhise there's one thing i'm asking myself and i don't think i'm wrong : Konami said that TEAMVISION was only on New gen version. But when i play WE 2008 or PES 2008, the AI adapt, same as teamvision was supposed to do, the way you play.
To me, it's a lie that there's no Teamvision on PES 2008 to say "hey, it's not the same game, An AI that smart can be built on PS2.

That version got the most advanced AI from the whole series and got the exact same features as Teamvision. Or should we can call it then?

Another thing : after 07-08 all version all the others version aren't interesting and repetitive too me. The PES teams for old gen version focused on Psp and ported to PS2. Ball physics for example and stats feeling is far from what you can feel on 2007-2008 versions.

But there's some hidden gems as the team probably worked all togheter to create some version : WE 2010 Aoki on PS2 and two pretty special version looking like no other PES, 2013 and 2014. I retried the 2013 and the feeling is beeter than 2014 to me, on PS2.

Also the 3DS version with 360 degree movement since PES 2011 version (not 16 directions or 31, you can litterealy turn very slowly degree to degree, no joke : then the game was done for BAL type of gameplay regarding 3DS immersive relief capacities.

No joke i found those version harder to dribble a man than 8 directions versions lol, perhaps it's the WTF effect the reason, no idea but yes, it's a bit or a lot confusing.

Winning Eleven 2010 (including Aoki) PS3 is worth trying with Superstar level - Max (PES 2010 PS3 is also OK at Top player - max). CPU AI is greater than PC port even though PC Port can enhance graphics to max.
PES 2009-2014 on PS2 are the same except updated squads, players, roosters…and even good

 

[hhtien1408]

It's kinda like PES4, but in reverse : the more you play the more you get into it and appreciate that version.
I never said it's a superb game but far from an abomination if you give it a chance.

Otherwhise there's one thing i'm asking myself and i don't think i'm wrong : Konami said that TEAMVISION was only on New gen version. But when i play WE 2008 or PES 2008, the AI adapt, same as teamvision was supposed to do, the way you play.
To me, it's a lie that there's no Teamvision on PES 2008 to say "hey, it's not the same game, An AI that smart can be built on PS2.

That version got the most advanced AI from the whole series and got the exact same features as Teamvision. Or should we can call it then?

Another thing : after 07-08 all version all the others version aren't interesting and repetitive too me. The PES teams for old gen version focused on Psp and ported to PS2. Ball physics for example and stats feeling is far from what you can feel on 2007-2008 versions.

But there's some hidden gems as the team probably worked all togheter to create some version : WE 2010 Aoki on PS2 and two pretty special version looking like no other PES, 2013 and 2014. I retried the 2013 and the feeling is beeter than 2014 to me, on PS2.

Also the 3DS version with 360 degree movement since PES 2011 version (not 16 directions or 31, you can litterealy turn very slowly degree to degree, no joke : then the game was done for BAL type of gameplay regarding 3DS immersive relief capacities.

No joke i found those version harder to dribble a man than 8 directions versions lol, perhaps it's the WTF effect the reason, no idea but yes, it's a bit or a lot confusing.

Try Winning Eleven 6 FE PS2 with great gameplay, AI, graphic, vibe, animation and so realistic…I love it a lot!

 

[hhtien1408]

So, I've been playing Winning Eleven 7: International lately, the Japanese PS2 edition which is lauded by some as the "definitive" PES3/WE7 experience.
My verdict thus far? I do NOT enjoy this game at all. PES3/WE7 is one of my favorite PES games, but this? This game feels like overtuned, unoptimized, cartoonish parody of PES3.

Defensive marking is ridiculous and makes you regret ever falling in love with football itself, shooting is a mess and as a result, your forwards will often be missing the easiest sitters ever, for no apparent reason other than the game feeling like it. Players feels sluggish, slow and unresponsive, regardless of their attributes. Referees? Some of the most wildly inconsistent refereeing in any PES/WE game (which I suppose is fairly realistic). Had to get this off my chest.

Same boat of feelings with me about WE7i.

 

[TonyTornado]

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I totally agree PES 2008 - Original Season (PS2) is the best after 3 months to compare with PES 5,6 and WE 9,10 PS2. On the other side, PES 2008 is not good under PS3 and PC version.

I was at a simillar boat when it came to PES 2008, but after trying the J.League edition im way more keen on this one.

I dont feel like they changed much, but there are a few tweaks. Mostly the AI doesnt dribble as much as they do in PES 2008, would love to see if others think the same and it isn't some form of placebo lol

 

[TonyTornado]

Is there any official guide made by Konami during the PS2 era regarding how stats work?

 

[NeoRetro]

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Try Winning Eleven 6 FE PS2 with great gameplay, AI, graphic, vibe, animation and so realistic…I love it a lot!

Haha thanks bro but i'm a veteran football game fan, tried every single version from PS2 since a long time, we did a 6 months tournament on WE6FE, if you remember it was on WEDOIT Club Edition. There wasn't that much club at the time so it was a killer patch.

Except 3DS version i played every single PES version even the arcade one one PC (nothing but just a port with different information before, after, and when you're playing like an Arcade game),

WE6EF i know is an UFO on the PES multiverse out on PS2 (a bit like PES 2 as it's his older brothe, beautiful and fun. A bit more attack and "he beautiful game" orientation, than a pure balanced one.

That's the only one that make me think as a mix between ISS Osaka and Tokyo best of both worlds.

 

[NeoRetro]

I was at a simillar boat when it came to PES 2008, but after trying the J.League edition im way more keen on this one.

I dont feel like they changed much, but there are a few tweaks. Mostly the AI doesnt dribble as much as they do in PES 2008, would love to see if others think the same and it isn't some form of placebo lol

More a "final evolution" than only few tweaks to me, it's the perfect version, except (repeat mode) that you can't play nationals teams.
Sad that that game wasn't out during a World cup or we would have the famous Aoki Samuraï version with Euro clubs, Nations and both J1+J2 league.
Believe me, i played a lot on PES 2008 and then WE2008 (a bit slower but enough to feels better to play)

I love PES 5, WE9, WE7 and PES3 (with their awful database except WE9) and also JLWE2007 that i recommand too. But i place now, after long try, JLWE2008CC above all in everything (physics and ball physics, unpredictability, balance, freedom, AI, speed etc.)

Also i'm replaying a lot on PS3 to PES 2011-2012-2013. To me PES 2013 is overrated in comparison to PES 2012 : it's perhaps the best compromise between the 3 versions. While the most authentic is PES 2011 to me.

Edit about PES 2009 - 2014 = i stopped to play after 2008. But just because i was curious about stats "hidden on PES 2010 to 14 and Aoki games mode + rosters, i tried JL2009 and WE2010 Aoki. JL2009 was in the continuity of the repetiveness formulas they started to keep until PES 2014, (not super bad but it was to me a simple change of rosters years after years). And i found PES 2013 and 2014 a bit different to play. Less about physicality but more about passsing.
Nevermind, i already got enough PES on my collection that i really don't want to loose my time to test all those 09-14 versions. Perhaps i will give a chance, once, to the 3DS with 360 degrees movement for a change.

 

[Xkapt]

is it me, or that i feel that PES 4 has that "every match different" much better than any of the later iterations, i remember i really enjoyed the smoother player movement, ball physics and general feel of pes 4 compared to the ones after, i remember i used to play with barcelona, and literally every match felt different, harder to score, sometimes easier with 3-0 and 4-1 wins, and sometimes scrapping to get that 1-0 win at home, it just felt really satisfying playing pes 4

I think PES 4 is the most unpredictable game. The prevailing opinion on the site is that it's a much improved version of we8le. However, I enjoy playing PES 4 more. Players may be more agile, but this game is strangely addictive.

 

[inidlaM 3]

Has anyone played 2009 (PS2) for a lengthy period of time and would like to give their thoughts?

Yes, I played one season in the PES 2009 Master League. I liked it more than PES 2008. In 08, where I started my "research" when I found a great topic on the forum, too many teams play constant pressure. Even if they are second division opponents.

Maybe at the highest level of difficulty this is the norm, but in my opinion it is not realistic. Any team has to "pay" for such energy-consuming football. But the teams controlled by AI, as it seemed to me, did not care about this.

But in PES 2009 it is more interesting to play, because each team plays differently. But everything is also very powerful like in 08. But at least not everyone just plays pressure. Sometimes they defend deeper, others higher. That is, as befits teams that have different selection of players.

So I have some space to play with default players, which definitely adds interest, rather than constantly trying to avoid pressure. That is, I feel like I'm playing realistic football.

Here, I once made a compilation of goals from one match. Look how diverse the attacks and goals that Slavia Prague scored for me are.

No cheating from the AI.



If you're interested. Full game.

Spoiler

 

[TonyTornado]

Yes, I played one season in the PES 2009 Master League. I liked it more than PES 2008. In 08, where I started my "research" when I found a great topic on the forum, too many teams play constant pressure. Even if they are second division opponents.

Maybe at the highest level of difficulty this is the norm, but in my opinion it is not realistic. Any team has to "pay" for such energy-consuming football. But the teams controlled by AI, as it seemed to me, did not care about this.

But in PES 2009 it is more interesting to play, because each team plays differently. But everything is also very powerful like in 08. But at least not everyone just plays pressure. Sometimes they defend deeper, others higher. That is, as befits teams that have different selection of players.

So I have some space to play with default players, which definitely adds interest, rather than constantly trying to avoid pressure. That is, I feel like I'm playing realistic football.

Here, I once made a compilation of goals from one match. Look how diverse the attacks and goals that Slavia Prague scored for me are.

No cheating from the AI.



If you're interested. Full game.

Spoiler

I think that's just the nature of the Superstar AI, the game against Sparta was on Superstar?

 

[inidlaM 3]

I think that's just the nature of the Superstar AI, the game against Sparta was on Superstar?

Yes, the highest level of difficulty.

But it's important to note that I'm not a very strong player in general. I just think that experienced players can easily avoid "AI pressure" because they react faster to situations.

For me, the main thing is that the AI is not a cheat, if I may say so. Then the match, despite the defeat, seems realistic, because you can see why I lose or win.

 

[PES4eva]

Try Winning Eleven 6 FE PS2 with great gameplay, AI, graphic, vibe, animation and so realistic…I love it a lot!

We seem to favour the same games on PS2. WE6FE and 2008 😄
I posted previously about my favourites being 2008 (PS2), WE6FE (PS2) and WE2002 (PS1). Those games for me are the ones I could rotate and play indefinitely. Each is so different from the other it makes for a great variety.

Having said that, I mostly enjoy every single WE/PES during the PS1 & PS2 era, we are spoilt for choice!

 

[Hatrickhero]

I think PES 4 is the most unpredictable game. The prevailing opinion on the site is that it's a much improved version of we8le. However, I enjoy playing PES 4 more. Players may be more agile, but this game is strangely addictive.

i agree totally, because the players are more agile, u could make a move or an extra dribble past a defender, and have a chance for a shot or pass, which makes the game unpredictable

 

[Hatrickhero]

Yes, the highest level of difficulty.

But it's important to note that I'm not a very strong player in general. I just think that experienced players can easily avoid "AI pressure" because they react faster to situations.

For me, the main thing is that the AI is not a cheat, if I may say so. Then the match, despite the defeat, seems realistic, because you can see why I lose or win.

this is the difference btw today games and before

 

[Hatrickhero]

i remember how many hours and hours i spent on editing player hair and boots in pes 4 and 5, jesus, such good times, it really was great games editing and in gameplay, u could spend hours and not feel that ur bored at all, i was dreaming the game man when i slept, that s how much time i spent on these two games.

 

[Keith Houchen]

This might be the most dangerous thread on the forum. Just glancing at it is enough to send you on a ROM-scouring spiral through time and space. And I'd been away from emulation for a year or two. It's bloody flawless now (PCSX2). 2K resolution PS2 in pretty much any computer.

Today I spotted the Winning Eleven 6 International mentions, and half an hour later I'd played a couple of Exhibitions. I played PES 2 itself recently enough to feel the difference in the hands. The lore we have with PES/WE is that the latter is a refined version of the former. True with this one.

I always look for a fan-translated Japanese or Korean version first, but had to settle for the USA version here. I never quite feel the NA version is the full-fat Winning Eleven. Is there a JP/KO English patch out there?

Not enough to derail my WE9LE Master league, but it's on the to-play pile for sure. We'd need to live a couple of centuries to get through everything there is.

 

[djcrystalline91]

Hello. I search Serie A stadiums for PES 2010, 2009 with good link. Anybody help me?

 

[tikijaka]

Yes, I played one season in the PES 2009 Master League. I liked it more than PES 2008. In 08, where I started my "research" when I found a great topic on the forum, too many teams play constant pressure. Even if they are second division opponents.

Maybe at the highest level of difficulty this is the norm, but in my opinion it is not realistic. Any team has to "pay" for such energy-consuming football. But the teams controlled by AI, as it seemed to me, did not care about this.

But in PES 2009 it is more interesting to play, because each team plays differently. But everything is also very powerful like in 08. But at least not everyone just plays pressure. Sometimes they defend deeper, others higher. That is, as befits teams that have different selection of players.

So I have some space to play with default players, which definitely adds interest, rather than constantly trying to avoid pressure. That is, I feel like I'm playing realistic football.

Here, I once made a compilation of goals from one match. Look how diverse the attacks and goals that Slavia Prague scored for me are.

No cheating from the AI.



If you're interested. Full game.

Spoiler

Thank you for your in-depth and helpful response.

I see the CPU dribbles in a straight line a lot when in your half, where you can maybe too easily stand and make a standing tackle. I know playing can feel different to watching though.

I’m also interested in the master league structure. Are the leagues A-D 20 teams then with 12 teams in D2? I’d have to create 12 Championship teams if that was the case for full ML immersion.

 

[Energia]

For PC users:

https://evoweb.uk/threads/jljwe-is-...ew-amazing-entertainments.101771/post-4202441

 

[TonyTornado]

This might be the most dangerous thread on the forum. Just glancing at it is enough to send you on a ROM-scouring spiral through time and space. And I'd been away from emulation for a year or two. It's bloody flawless now (PCSX2). 2K resolution PS2 in pretty much any computer.

Today I spotted the Winning Eleven 6 International mentions, and half an hour later I'd played a couple of Exhibitions. I played PES 2 itself recently enough to feel the difference in the hands. The lore we have with PES/WE is that the latter is a refined version of the former. True with this one.

I always look for a fan-translated Japanese or Korean version first, but had to settle for the USA version here. I never quite feel the NA version is the full-fat Winning Eleven. Is there a JP/KO English patch out there?

Not enough to derail my WE9LE Master league, but it's on the to-play pile for sure. We'd need to live a couple of centuries to get through everything there is.

Here is a translated version of WE6FE

Post in thread 'The Retro-PES Corner'

13 February 2023

(2003) Winning Eleven 6 Final Evolution 20th anniversary [2002-03]
https://www.mediafire.com/file/zsw6f3ekxdbl8id/(2003)+Winning+Eleven+6+Final+Evolution.iso/file

A patch tribute wendetta and wedoit converted to original backgrounds and original music with remastered adboards based on the 2002 world cup, featuring the 2002-03 team rosters and featuring the fevernova ball.

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[PES4eva]

Here is a translated version of WE6FE

Post in thread 'The Retro-PES Corner'

13 February 2023

(2003) Winning Eleven 6 Final Evolution 20th anniversary [2002-03]
https://www.mediafire.com/file/zsw6f3ekxdbl8id/(2003)+Winning+Eleven+6+Final+Evolution.iso/file

A patch tribute wendetta and wedoit converted to original backgrounds and original music with remastered adboards based on the 2002 world cup, featuring the 2002-03 team rosters and featuring the fevernova ball.

• morodolarama1

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I play this one. It's my preferred patch for it although the WE-UK WE7 premier league patch for Winning Eleven 6 Final Evolution is also great if you want a completely different set of players and lower league English teams

 

[ibocina86]

So i have decided to try new EA FC 26, hoping that someday this franchise might change for the better, I didn`t even finish the first match, thinking that I don`t need to waste my precious time on that and decided that I should just stick to retro PES hehe.
Currently playing PES 2009 become a legend, thinking of starting some new master league on some of J.league as those are really awesome, but I will stick to become a legend 2009 until mr. Billykong releases J.league 2008 this new version he said he is working on.
Btw, the retro PES that I played the most was 2009 (PS2), just got PS2 at that time and bought that game, played hundreds of hours that one.
Too bad that I don`t have console and memory card anymore because I had one goal replay that was absolutely crazy.
Goalkeeper stretched to defend the shot, but my shot was not on goal, it was maybe 1 meter off the post, and during his fall ball has hit him in the part of his body that was closer to the ground and then ball made some crazy deflection and went to the goal despite the shot was going away from goal, it was hillarious XD

 

[TonyTornado]

I play this one. It's my preferred patch for it although the WE-UK WE7 premier league patch for Winning Eleven 6 Final Evolution is also great if you want a completely different set of players and lower league English teams

Could you link the premier league patch? i decided to get a break from J.League 2008 for a while after a really demading season skill wise to check out the lovely patch made by @SerieALegends https://evoweb.uk/threads/pes-3-season-2000-01-mod-euro-2000-final-release.102632 mostly focusing on the english premership 2000/2001.

I dont know why but i always associated WE6FE as a ideal game for the international cups, something about the overall game presentation fits into that World Cup/Euro aesthetic for me

 

[TonyTornado]

And here is Ivarov and Edingson late game heroics during the last playoff game to keep the score 2-1 and seal the promotion to the mighty Premier League.

I always had a softspot for that Edingson lad, maybe its because of his receding harline lol

 

[Keith Houchen]

Here is a translated version of WE6FE

Post in thread 'The Retro-PES Corner'

13 February 2023

(2003) Winning Eleven 6 Final Evolution 20th anniversary [2002-03]
https://www.mediafire.com/file/zsw6f3ekxdbl8id/(2003)+Winning+Eleven+6+Final+Evolution.iso/file

A patch tribute wendetta and wedoit converted to original backgrounds and original music with remastered adboards based on the 2002 world cup, featuring the 2002-03 team rosters and featuring the fevernova ball.

• morodolarama1

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A thousand thanks.

 

[simogto90]

After a long time i played a couple of matches on pes4 and i think it is a perfect example how a football game can be hella fast but still be a football game.
For my taste it Is too much fast and shooting is weird, but It is fun indeed.
I really want to try we8le because from what i see it could be one of my favorites with we9le and we10le.

 

[hhtien1408]

I have question
Do you feel PES 2013 PS3 seem to play better than PC right? WE 2013 is a improved PES 2013 PS3 with superstar level.
Konami always makes WE Japanese versions are better than PES PAL/US ones and console versions are better than PC in terms of gameplay. Is it correct?

 

[Energia]

I have question
Do you feel PES 2013 PS3 seem to play better than PC right? WE 2013 is a improved PES 2013 PS3 with superstar level.
Konami always makes WE Japanese versions are better than PES PAL/US ones and console versions are better than PC in terms of gameplay. Is it correct?

The gameplay of pc and consoles are the same only in case pes an we are released on the markets in same dates. otherwise all depend by date of release because konami always optimized latest one...

 

[Hatrickhero]

The gameplay of pc and consoles are the same only in case pes an we are released on the markets in same dates. otherwise all depend by date of release because konami always optimized latest one...

pes 2013 has cheating ai on superstar, and very very bad net physics, and the shooting can get repetitive after a while and floaty, as there s no feeling to the shooting aspect in general

 

[hhtien1408]

pes 2013 has cheating ai on superstar, and very very bad net physics, and the shooting can get repetitive after a while and floaty, as there s no feeling to the shooting aspect in general

Totally agree