The Retro-PES Corner

Heisenberg said:
@geeeeee Thanks! I've been editing this game for almost 10 years and honestly, still very undervalued. Taking every year since then to the last PES 2020 de PS4 i always go back to edit and play PES2008.

PES 2008 is not perfect, but I think he knew how to unite and improve the gameplay virtues of his predecessors ( PES3.4.5 and about all 6)
I usually spend more time editing, but every year I play an LM with Real Madrid or a league with one of the 20 North American teams that I have in the OF.
As I said before I want to update my Classic OF and now I'm working on this project about North American leagues

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Man I wish so much I could try your OF on Pcsx2. I still don't get what I'm doing wrong when I try to convert it.
 
@Topaz @mattmid & @miguelfcp thanks for the tips. I will try going back to setting B and look a bit more at the tactics. Tactics! you mean i have to change formation and come up with different strategies on how to play each team? I'm more of a Harry Redknapp type of manager, put my arm round the player and tell them how good they are. It does wonders for their confidence. The most I do is tell them who is taking corners and free kicks and that can be done pressing 'automatic sort' No wonder I stopped playing Football Manager once it got more deep. :LOL:

@Heisenberg I agree with all that you say. It does combine the best of all of them. Good to see you are still working on it.

On a side note, I actually played a bit of PES2017 today on the PS4, is it ok to do that, i feel kinda guilty :JAY:
 
Topaz said:
I got it working on the USA version. What problem did you get?
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It's like everytime I tried to put it in with MyMc the game just wouldn't recognize the OF. No idea what I did wrong in details.

But I downloaded the version suggested by Mike above and now it finally works, so I guess it doesn't matter anymore :) .
 
So here is the 1st leg of the semi-final in the EFL Cup away to holders Fulham. Excellent game this one with some dodgy keeper moments for both sides.


Fulham 2 v Canvey Eagles 2, excellent result for us with the 2 away goals which give us a slight advantage. We should really have won though because at 1-2 their goalkeeper, Rodak, was really showing signs of nerves, he was spilling everything. But then Lodeiro and Pozo combined excellently to cut us open and make it 2-2. Ximelez scored a really silly own goal in the middle of all that when he failed to react properly from a saved header and he just run the ball into the net. The opening goal by Castolo was excellent, he took it early and caught Rodak out but he got injured and was taken off. Thankfully he is only out for one match.
 
@geeeeee Cracking cup tie there! Castolo's on fire! I remember him being really good for me on I think PES5, but on PES6 I always got the Castolo that put his shots in the stand like the first shot he just had in that game.
 
mattmid said:
@geeeeee Cracking cup tie there! Castolo's on fire! I remember him being really good for me on I think PES5, but on PES6 I always got the Castolo that put his shots in the stand like the first shot he just had in that game.
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Yes Castolo he is so reliable at the moment banging in and setting up goals. It's a shame he got injured in that match. I'm not sure how old he is supposed to be but in my ML, because I gave all the default players a random age, he started out at 25 so maybe he has had more time to develop.

Here is our next match against Fulham but in the league this time.

Table at the start of play with 5 matches left is...

1. Wolves 20
2. Cardiff 19
3. Aston Villa 14
4. Fulham 14
5. Canvey 12
6. Sheff Utd 9
7. Brighton 9
8. Huddersfield 4

So we really have to win but with no injured Castolo.


Canvey Eagles 1 v Fulham 1, another good game but 2 points dropped. Ordaz finished off a nice team move (good to see him back on the score sheet again). But Onomah with another well finished goal against us. Onomah and Lodeira are really beginning to annoy me because they seem to keep scoring against us.

Table now is...

1. Wolves 21
2. Cardiff 20
3. Aston Villa 17
4. Fulham 15
5. Canvey 13
6. Sheff Utd 10
7. Brighton 10
8. Huddersfield 4

We still have to play Wolves, Huddersfield, Cardiff, and Sheff U in that order.
 
Hi guys, just a quick question...

What cursor change setting do you play on?

I normally play on Manual but have been considering changing to about half way (4 or 5 bars). I have tried on just 1 bar but found that i was fighting with the auto change.

Been really struggling to defend again and thinking it’s because i am also selecting players myself.
 
geeeeee said:
Hi guys, just a quick question...

What cursor change setting do you play on?

I normally play on Manual but have been considering changing to about half way (4 or 5 bars). I have tried on just 1 bar but found that i was fighting with the auto change.

Been really struggling to defend again and thinking it’s because i am also selecting players myself.
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Usually 2 bars, but that's on PC. Don't know if it has the same response on PS2.
 
geeeeee said:
Thanks i will try that and see how i get on.
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You must make tests and check where you feel that the auto-change is reliable. When you feel OK, you will understand it. Speaking of my personal experience, i was always feeling something among "the CPU picks me players i do not want", "the CPU changes players too fast", and" i am fighting the auto change". Once i found it in 2-bars, i never ever tried something else. In every PES-patch or version i play, it is the very first setting i do, and not change it ever again! It is like i got married to it!! :P
 
slamsoze said:
You must make tests and check where you feel that the auto-change is reliable. When you feel OK, you will understand it. Speaking of my personal experience, i was always feeling something among "the CPU picks me players i do not want", "the CPU changes players too fast", and" i am fighting the auto change". Once i found it in 2-bars, i never ever tried something else. In every PES-patch or version i play, it is the very first setting i do, and not change it ever again! It is like i got married to it!! :P
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:LMAO:

I have always preferred zero bars but once I start losing again and can’t defend, the first thing I blame is the cursor change, then my defenders, never myself. I have never tried 2 bars, it’s either 5 or nothing for me. I will give it a go and let you know how I get on. Thanks again :)
 
@geeeeee: I used to not even mind changing that setting but lately I've been trying just one bar and it definitely suits my style.

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An interesting bit about PES2. If later on we had the A, B, C Back Line setting, here you have to manually define the depth of your defensive line...and unlike on subsequent editions, you can use half of the entire pitch to tweak your defensive's positioning!
I was Aragon (Man Utd) vs. Lombardia (Milan) and both Blanc and Silvestre were suspended, so I had to improvise a back-4 with Gary Neville and Wes Brown as CBs, Phil Neville and Nicky Butt as SBs. Given they're all a bit short/much faster than they are competent on the aerial game, I took the opportunity to play a suicidal backline:

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We only conceded three goals, so it was a success.
Anyway, perhaps because back then football teams used to defend much lower on the pitch, even with the highest possible backline shown above, the players still have a tendency to drop further back, more than I wished them to.

Now a couple of amazing goals. Here's a fantastic Roy Keane strike:



...and a wonderful Rosicky free kick scored by the CPU:



That last goal was part of yet another instant classic on PES2 - been having loads of them:

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Loads of fouls - and many more than just weren't called, some of them really obvious ones; even the refs had player ref individuality back then.
The plasticity of classic-PES' gameplay still surprises me almost twenty years later: on a 3-game session you might have a PES5-like match with loads of fouls and few shots on goal, on the next you'll have a breathtaking counter-attacking galore with many goals scored, and on the next you win 5-0 against a much better team than the previous one who beat you 3-0 - all of this while controlling the same side.
 
mattmid said:
@geeeeee For what it's worth I usually have 3 bars but I do also select manually at times during a game as well.
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miguelfcp said:
@geeeeee: I used to not even mind changing that setting but lately I've been trying just one bar and it definitely suits my style.

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An interesting bit about PES2. If later on we had the A, B, C Back Line setting, here you have to manually define the depth of your defensive line...and unlike on subsequent editions, you can use half of the entire pitch to tweak your defensive's positioning!
I was Aragon (Man Utd) vs. Lombardia (Milan) and both Blanc and Silvestre were suspended, so I had to improvise a back-4 with Gary Neville and Wes Brown as CBs, Phil Neville and Nicky Butt as SBs. Given they're all a bit short/much faster than they are competent on the aerial game, I took the opportunity to play a suicidal backline:

hKadjyL.jpg

We only conceded three goals, so it was a success.
Anyway, perhaps because back then football teams used to defend much lower on the pitch, even with the highest possible backline shown above, the players still have a tendency to drop further back, more than I wished them to.

Now a couple of amazing goals. Here's a fantastic Roy Keane strike:



...and a wonderful Rosicky free kick scored by the CPU:



That last goal was part of yet another instant classic on PES2 - been having loads of them:

iZIxYbz.jpg

Loads of fouls - and many more than just weren't called, some of them really obvious ones; even the refs had player ref individuality back then.
The plasticity of classic-PES' gameplay still surprises me almost twenty years later: on a 3-game session you might have a PES5-like match with loads of fouls and few shots on goal, on the next you'll have a breathtaking counter-attacking galore with many goals scored, and on the next you win 5-0 against a much better team than the previous one who beat you 3-0 - all of this while controlling the same side.
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Thanks matt and migs for your opinion on the cursor change.

I tried a couple of practice matches today on 1 bar and then on 2 bars. I found that both were good but I think I will try 1 bar for now. What I have realised is that at times it is best to allow the CPU to select the player for you because the other player that you may have wanted to control tracks back and gets into position anyway whereas if I 'choose' that player he stops for a bit and then is out of position. Hope that makes sense.

@miguelfcp that looked like a great game and there were plenty of fouls.:D I love that earlier line "We only conceded three goals, so it was a success.":LOL:

Next 2 games in my ML.

First up is an important game at home to Wolves who are top and definitely do not deserve to be in the Championship.


Canvey Eagles 0 v Wolves 2, a penalty missed by Huylens and along with that our chances of promotion are over. Our only hope now is that we make it to the final of the EFL Cup.

Here is the 2nd leg of the EFL semi final at home to Fulham. The 1st was a cracker, and this is a cracker too.


Canvey 0 v Fulham 1, we were so close and had a few good chances. The best one was Castolo's that was saved and looped up on to the crossbar. Once again the Uruguayan, Lodeira, was our downfall with another man of the match display. Right at the end we could have snatched it with Fouque but he decided to shoot rather than pass it across the box. :( So our season is now over. But I will use the last few games to try out some new ideas.
 
geeeeee said:
we could have snatched it with Fouque but he decided to shoot rather than pass it across the box.
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It's the sign of a good manager that you are making your players accountable for their decisions. :LOL: Seriously though that was very unlucky to miss out on the final, especially with that last chance. Wolves look far and away the best team in this league, how they got relegated I don't know, makes you wonder how tough D1 is going to be when you get there!
 
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