The "Not happy with PES 2012" thread

[Suuuuupertalk]

I think if FIFA is catching PES in the Japanese market then I fear for the future of PES. Konami won't take any sentimental decisions over canning PES if they eventually struggle to sell in their own native market.

On another note, why can't we just play this thing out of the box? On FIFA I'm still spending half my time mucking around with sliders and on PES I'm totally confused as to which difficulty to play on and whether it's on patch or pre-patch versions. It's ridiculous.

I tried Putting the patch back on and on Regular, it was WAY too easy, you can endlessly dribble around players, yet Pro for the main part feels fine except that stumble animation happens literally all the time.

So I remove the patch, it feels better on Top Player than Pro post-patch, and it's amazing except for the keepers constantly freaking out. So there's no compromise here. I even added the Daymos option file to my 360 and for some reason it slows the game down so that when loading or going back to the menu it looks like the game might have crashed, lags for ages before the menus come up etc. He does a wonderful job on those option files but it's confusing when you have different versions to try on top of all this patch/no patch business.....

I just wanna play and enjoy my football games without all this rubbish. I might hold off until November and see what the next patch does.

 

[Suuuuupertalk]

Actually I popped PES2011 back in last night and I'm afraid to say I really enjoyed it a lot more than 2012. Feels weightier, more like a sim. Dribbling was more rewarding, game was better paced, and also the graphics are vastly superior. Honestly, going back I was shocked at how lovely everything looked in comparison.

I think if it wasn't for the prospect of playing FL which looks like a vast improvement on 2011's ML, I'd be tempted to stick with 2011 this year. 2012 can be wonderful at times but reloading 2011 somehow felt 'nicer' to play for me. And I still can't get over how much better the game looked.

 

[Sabac Red]

@Antracsa- Pes engine is dated and needs an overhaul drastically, certain aspects of the engine can stay like inertia and individualism but konami need to build from a new base something that they should of done after pes 2008. Fifa's engine is not perfect but is miles ahead of pes, fact is ea aren't to far away from having a game that's gameplay could be absolutely superb but ea know they're good where they are so no need to push the boat yet.

People tend to say fifa is all show, smoke and mirrors, I don't think thats the case as i've enjoyed playing 12 so far against mates. Sure it lacks depth in certain areas but it is enjoyable to play.

Played some pes12 games over the weekend patched up haven't found it unbearable like some, personally I want to wait and see what happens with a next patch and for konami/Jon Murphy to acknowledge that the game got tinkered with.

 

[Jamezinho]

Actually I popped PES2011 back in last night and I'm afraid to say I really enjoyed it a lot more than 2012. Feels weightier, more like a sim. Dribbling was more rewarding, game was better paced, and also the graphics are vastly superior. Honestly, going back I was shocked at how lovely everything looked in comparison.

I think if it wasn't for the prospect of playing FL which looks like a vast improvement on 2011's ML, I'd be tempted to stick with 2011 this year. 2012 can be wonderful at times but reloading 2011 somehow felt 'nicer' to play for me. And I still can't get over how much better the game looked.

If you've still got PES2010 put that in for a quick game. The clarity and vibrancy of the graphics blows all subsequent games out of the water.

To put things into perspective I'm going to give PES2011 another try as I've not touched it for a couple of months. I'm expecting to be pleasantly surprised by it.

Also, in response to the posters complaining of too much criticism on here towards PES2012 - personally I think it's a very sound game in terms of gameplay. It's got great tactical depth and conveys player individuality very well. However when I play other games in my collection - with their crisp HD graphics, life-like animations, impressive tech, great front-ends, presentation and audio, and solid online modes - then come back to PES, I'm left asking myself why I still play this game. It doesn't belong to this generation of consoles.

If PES2012 was wrapped in a more pleasing package I would be all over it.

Sorry to be shallow but after seeing all the continued positivity towards FIFA12 I really think that's where I should be spending my time. A game that for once seems a solid title without (serious) bugs and doesn't need hours of my time downloading and applying patches, nor deleting updates to make it work properly.

I'll be back to PES if and when they catch up, but that could be years.

 

[dannyfc2]

I prefer PES 2011 overall, but can't go back as I played it to death. PES 2012 is superior in some manners, and inferior in a lot of others, but it's still relatively fresh to me.

Unfortunately I can't see myself playing any football game beyond Christmas. Not PES, not FIFA, not FM. Poor year for me. Unless Konami sort out online.

 

[Jamezinho]

At least with FIFA I can play online with my best mate who now lives on the other side of the country. He was a massive PES fan but binned it years ago. We had some great battles on Fifa 08/09/10 so that will give the game some longevity for me.

 

[Suuuuupertalk]

If you've still got PES2010 put that in for a quick game. The clarity and vibrancy of the graphics blows all subsequent games out of the water.

To put things into perspective I'm going to give PES2011 another try as I've not touched it for a couple of months. I'm expecting to be pleasantly surprised by it.

Also, in response to the posters complaining of too much criticism on here towards PES2012 - personally I think it's a very sound game in terms of gameplay. It's got great tactical depth and conveys player individuality very well. However when I play other games in my collection - with their crisp HD graphics, life-like animations, impressive tech, great front-ends, presentation and audio, and solid online modes - then come back to PES, I'm left asking myself why I still play this game. It doesn't belong to this generation of consoles.

If PES2012 was wrapped in a more pleasing package I would be all over it.

Sorry to be shallow but after seeing all the continued positivity towards FIFA12 I really think that's where I should be spending my time. A game that for once seems a solid title without (serious) bugs and doesn't need hours of my time downloading and applying patches, nor deleting updates to make it work properly.

I'll be back to PES if and when they catch up, but that could be years.

I hear you on that, I'm really caught on what to play this year. FIFA12 is a certainty, you're right it is a really solid game with a current gen feel to it. I still really enjoy PES2011 though, and cannot get over how much better everything looked. Players are bigger and more detailed, everything looks better. The game feels more slower paced, more balanced, I feel that the players in that are a bit more noticeable in terms of what they can and can't do.

If there's an option file out there with this year's kits etc then I might be tempted to play that for the rest of this year. PES2012 is a good game, marred by really awful presentation, graphics and audio. Even the main menu screen looks worse than last year, with some low res, blocky video playing in the background.

My points are in the main very shallow, I know, but like you say, shallow parts are part of the entertainment with the tech games now have available. Not many people would be as excited about Batman Arkham City or Battlefield 3 if they looked like good looking PS2 titles.

But unless something clicks, I still can't get into this. It IS a very, very good game, but there's something about the way the game is paced that seems 'off' to me. Can't put my finger on it. It's all a bit too manic for my liking. Conversely, with the slider settings, FIFA's game pace is the more sedate ofthe two, something I'd have never have believed this time a year ago.

 

[klashman69]

you playing on -2 LTFC and Jamez? and i agre, i don't really understand why PES 2010 still looks much better than any other football game
YouTube - Top 25 Goals PES 2010 Vol. 3
YouTube - PES 2012 Animations request part 1
YouTube - PES 2010 - Real Madrid vs Man Utd Highlights

The lighting just looks miles better than what we have now. I don't really get why it's got worse. The sound is better also.

PES 2012 really does miss many of those very solid motion cature animations, really could do with a lot of them.

 

[Jamezinho]

Thing is Klash I find the ball moves too slowly below the default setting. I like a bit of whip on the passing so I've left it at zero. At -2 the game feels far too slow to me, although I think the speed of player movement is more realistic below zero.

What is needed is independent sliders for player speed and ball speed, or just keep the speed of the ball uniform and adjust the player speed. That could be technically difficult to implement though.

Edit - also perhaps the reason why the graphics are so poor compared to 2010 is due to the more advanced AI using more of the console's processing power. Although if that is the case it just goes to show how much Konami are struggling this gen.

If FIFA and other sports games can look great with much more advanced animation and collision engines running underneath then there is no excuse for the way PES looks.

I expect a game to look, sound and play great in this day and age. PES only covers the latter.

 

[klashman69]

Thing is Klash I find the ball moves too slowly below the default setting. I like a bit of whip on the passing so I've left it at zero. At -2 the game feels far too slow to me, although I think the speed of player movement is more realistic below zero.

What is needed is independent sliders for player speed and ball speed, or just keep the speed of the ball uniform and adjust the player speed. That could be technically difficult to implement though.

My only problem with -2 is that using 0 passing assistance, long hard balls are a bit weak at times, apart from that it's fine really. I see LTFC saying that PES 2011 was more solid and reasltic well, yes PES 2011 on 0 is more reasltic than PES 2012 on 0, thing is on -2 PES 2012 is all the best bits from PES 2011 but better.

-2 starts off being very slow, but get some one touch passing going, get the ball doing the work. leave it on for a few games and you will see that the zip comes in. i tested this out first on demo 2 because i wasan't happy with the level of control i had on 0 speed. Rangers defenders where turing FAR too quickly for me.

The reason for some of my very prima donna like posts yesterday was because i started a Hannover ML. I've never had my ass kicked so much in a video game. it's was rape, it destroyed my confidence literally. Constantly getting beaten so convincingly!

15 mintues, superstar -2 speed.

I was out of my chair when i managed to steal an away draw against Dortmund in the last minute, but then on after the away defeat to Bayern, things just got worse. Beaten by Herta, then two home losses againt Mainz and Hoffenheim. I did manage to draw away to Leverkusen with a brillaint free kick from Endo which saved some pride.

What make the game SO hard, and i mean so dam hard is the ball control of my players, on 0 speed, everyones control is pretty similar, they all turn quite quickly, the individuallity isn't as strong as on PES 2011 and things like cheating etc.. happen more. It's more arcade orientated.

-2, takes no priosoners. Basically there are only 2 players in my entire team who have 80 for technique. Aguderlo up front and his dribbling sadly isn't great and Endo in midfield with i think 84 for technique. Thing is the guy is so dam SLOW, which is fine if he had good nible players around him but the majority of my team is rather slow and really shit on the ball.

It's so tough it's unbeleiverble. Before on football games, you will be able to keep the ball, keep possesion really and work you way out of trouble with good football, but with a team with average movement, average/poor ball control and also fatigued all the time due to internationals it's a mountain to climb! This is what i love, being forced to play to your strengths, if you have any . I would be ok if i had a big target man to pump balls up to but None of my strikers are really cut out for that. All i can do really is look to play out wide and hit a variety of crosses in and hope Aguderlo finds space up top. If i don't buy in January i'm pretty much nailed on for relegation.

I can see why you don't like the game, i can see it there because on 0, the individuallity just ins't as prominent on 0 as it is on -2. I said this time and time last week, that the gamespeeds have changed in their function, before they simply just made everything slower. Now they really change every aspect of the game really.

0 speed and -2 speed are totally different video games altoghether. They should rename the game speeds in my opinion so 0 is 'normal' or 'standard' and -2 is 'hardcore simulation'!

 

[klashman69]

Edit - also perhaps the reason why the graphics are so poor compared to 2010 is due to the more advanced AI using more of the console's processing power. Although if that is the case it just goes to show how much Konami are struggling this gen.

If FIFA and other sports games can look great with much more advanced animation and collision engines running underneath then there is no excuse for the way PES looks.

I expect a game to look, sound and play great in this day and age. PES only covers the latter.

Probably, i mean on the PC, the graphics can look stunning even without patches:

Spoiler

So it's a console issue it seems. I mean the game on my PS3 looks great but i'm not sure this translates well to the Xbox360 where the game has so many issues in optimization.

I think the 25/1 sales maybe just on the Xbox. I mean i went to the stores to see it was i think number 1 on PS3 on release but was nowhere on Xbox 360.

I totally understand the need for more better graphics, i'm an artist designer myself and i love asthetics. Despite the gameplay being so good.

 

[Deluxe]

Thing is Klash I find the ball moves too slowly below the default setting. I like a bit of whip on the passing so I've left it at zero. At -2 the game feels far too slow to me, although I think the speed of player movement is more realistic below zero.

James, if you noticed unpatched verison of the game -2 speed is less slower than the patched one.

But, try playing unpatched version on -1, is sublime.

 

[Jamezinho]

I got it for the PS3, although I was going to get it for the 360 as the game looked smoother to me due to the better AA.

Then I experienced the running bug.......

 

[sweetmusicman]

I hate how the opposition has a direct free kick outside the box and you move your defender to the post but the ball goes over your defenders head and into the back of the net.

Once you have positioned the defender on the line, press X which will make your player jump. This is according to a friend of mine after I complained about the same thing. Another thing that is getting to me is the camera angle during corner kicks, I find it very difficult to defend because the post and goaie is out of the tv screen, What the hell is up with that????????????? The passing is another thing that frustrates me from time to time because the pass does not go to the intended player

 

[Flaw3d Genius]

Probably, i mean on the PC, the graphics can look stunning even without patches:

Spoiler

So it's a console issue it seems. I mean the game on my PS3 looks great but i'm not sure this translates well to the Xbox360 where the game has so many issues in optimization.

I think the 25/1 sales maybe just on the Xbox. I mean i went to the stores to see it was i think number 1 on PS3 on release but was nowhere on Xbox 360.

I totally understand the need for more better graphics, i'm an artist designer myself and i love asthetics. Despite the gameplay being so good.

The 360 version of PES 2012 looks much better than the PS3 one, PS3 suffers terribly from jaggies it seems as if there is no AA at all on PS3 while 2xAA on 360. The 360 version has smooooth replays as well compared to PS3 which yet again the framerate drops somewhat.

 

[klashman69]

The 360 version of PES 2012 looks much better than the PS3 one, PS3 suffers terribly from jaggies it seems as if there is no AA at all on PS3 while 2xAA on 360. The 360 version has smooooth replays as well compared to PS3 which yet again the framerate drops somewhat.

I know, but the xbox has tons of things missing and that run bug .

Patching is far easier on the PS3 which is very key!

 

[Suuuuupertalk]

What things does the xbox version have missing? I've played both and they're identical other than xbox has slightly sharper graphics and far less jaggies. Editing is an issue but that's due to the xbox's file format reading abilites rather than the game.

Thankfully I don't experience the run bug thing on 360, never seen it, if a game is run on 60hz then it's fine.

FYI Klash, I play on -2 speed. I kind of prefer it on -1, but still feels a bit too fast, whereas player movement on -2 is better but the ball is too floaty due to the lower speed.

It's a bit of a joke really, trying to get an optimum set up for this. You have to decide game speed, assistance settings, patched or unpatched, which difficulty level depending on the patch or no patch, and the same seems to be the case for which option file to use. It's all a massive pain in the arse.

For the record I think PES2011 on -2 or -1 is perfect, it achieves a better pace than 2012. But like Jamezinho states, it's hard to keep playing this when it feels so underwhelming next to other titles' current tech. Look at FIFA12, Forza 4, Gears of War 3, Unchartered 3, Battlefield 3, Batman Arkham City, the list is endless of new and recent games that are graphically stunning, pushing the boundaries of the consoles currently available. Then sitting very uncomfortably next to them is PES. Only Konami could do this. The game looked dreadful in 2008 & 2009, took a huge graphical leap forwards in 2010, and somehow has got progressively worse in this department ever since.

 

[klashman69]

What things does the xbox version have missing? I've played both and they're identical other than xbox has slightly sharper graphics and far less jaggies. Editing is an issue but that's due to the xbox's file format reading abilites rather than the game.

Thankfully I don't experience the run bug thing on 360, never seen it, if a game is run on 60hz then it's fine.

FYI Klash, I play on -2 speed. I kind of prefer it on -1, but still feels a bit too fast, whereas player movement on -2 is better but the ball is too floaty due to the lower speed.

It's a bit of a joke really, trying to get an optimum set up for this. You have to decide game speed, assistance settings, patched or unpatched, which difficulty level depending on the patch or no patch, and the same seems to be the case for which option file to use. It's all a massive pain in the arse.

For the record I think PES2011 on -2 or -1 is perfect, it achieves a better pace than 2012. But like Jamezinho states, it's hard to keep playing this when it feels so underwhelming next to other titles' current tech. Look at FIFA12, Forza 4, Gears of War 3, Unchartered 3, Battlefield 3, Batman Arkham City, the list is endless of new and recent games that are graphically stunning, pushing the boundaries of the consoles currently available. Then sitting very uncomfortably next to them is PES. Only Konami could do this. The game looked dreadful in 2008 & 2009, took a huge graphical leap forwards in 2010, and somehow has got progressively worse in this department ever since.

True but how is that different from using the sliders on FIFA or on NBA 2k though?

If your playing on -2 the game should come to you soon enough
. Also not just the run bug but apparently the xbox version is missing 2 vs 2 online which is madness really.

 

[levskarq]

pes 2012 is bad :X

 

[Suuuuupertalk]

True but how is that different from using the sliders on FIFA or on NBA 2k though?

If your playing on -2 the game should come to you soon enough
. Also not just the run bug but apparently the xbox version is missing 2 vs 2 online which is madness really.

True, you have a point, but at least the sliders in FIFA can be altered in literally seconds, unpause the game, then alter it again until you find a balance that suits you best. It's quicker and a lot more accessible, and also something included that was intentional. Konami are not intending for people to be mucking around with patches and even editing goalkeepers etc to try and force a better experience.

I tried playing the game again tonight, just can't get into it. The ball is too fast even on -2, the play is always too stretched out meaning it feels like a counter attack fest. Players, and the ball, feel like they're skating across the pitch, something is just not right. I really loved the demo which is crazy because these aspects were exactly the same, now I can't stand them. And every AI team is playing the same way, sit deep, then counter attack with 2-3 players slaloming through defenders or getting it wide for crosses. There's absolutely no sense of patient build up from the AI, it's not playing realistically at all so far. Ironically, I'd always called out FIFA as an arcade style game, yet in FIFA12 last night I played away to Barcelona and couldn't get the ball. They were passing it backwards, holding on to the ball, they finished with over 60% possession, whereas in PES2012 Barcelona just play like everyone else - they sit deep, zip passes really fast, and get it up the pitch as soon as they possibly can.

Afterwards I put PES2011 back in to play Man Utd v Man City, it was a joy. The pace of the game and way the two teams were set out was more realistic, most of the game was a tense midfield battle with few chances, and it finished 1-1 with an uber realistic goal from me - a low cross in behind the defence, and a midfielder arriving late and sliding the ball in from 6 yards. Really, really nice.

So, the only think keeping me I guess is to see what Football Life is all about. That might not be enough because I'm not enjoying the gameplay, hate the graphics and sound. Contrast that to 2011 where I still love the gameplay and the graphics at least are vastly superior.

Really disappointed so far, I'm having no urge to play the game from one game to the next, there's no 'one more go' factor so far. And if I'm not having fun with it then there's no point in keeping the game.

 

[Suuuuupertalk]

Actually I never purchase PES2010 so I'm downloading the demo just out of interest to compare the graphics. I found it on my xbox by going into download history and re-downloading it. Should be interesting.

**Edit** just tried it. Boy does it look stunning in graphics and lighting. Shame the players move like wood and the gameplay is total dogshit!

Makes you realise just how much Konami did a stunning job overhauling PES2011.

 

[klashman69]

True, you have a point, but at least the sliders in FIFA can be altered in literally seconds, unpause the game, then alter it again until you find a balance that suits you best. It's quicker and a lot more accessible, and also something included that was intentional.

You can change the game speed and pass assistance in the menu on PES

Konami are not intending for people to be mucking around with patches and even editing goalkeepers etc to try and force a better experience.

Oh yes they are, that was PES is all about, editing, modding the game to you preference. Thats it's biggest strength and biggest curse since people these days don't like doing it. Seabass asiad in the developer interviews his vision is to create a game where people could play how they wanted and change the game ot their style. On the back of the box it says (Play it your way)

No i don't mean change the keepers stats whch are shit, aart from on superstar it seems where they are, well.. wait for it.. good! (but i don't like the superstar level anymore, too hard). I mean change gamespeed etc..

I tried playing the game again tonight, just can't get into it. The ball is too fast even on -2, the play is always too stretched out meaning it feels like a counter attack fest. Players, and the ball, feel like they're skating across the pitch, something is just not right. I really loved the demo which is crazy because these aspects were exactly the same, now I can't stand them. And every AI team is playing the same way, sit deep, then counter attack with 2-3 players slaloming through defenders or getting it wide for crosses. There's absolutely no sense of patient build up from the AI, it's not playing realistically at all so far.

It annoys me as well, espcially on superstar level where most teams in this bundersliga patch are set up as 'Long ball'. Which is horrible to play against. Most teams in the game have this, in a patch with updated lineups and tactics this will be changed.

It's simply that if you play against a team using it, they just sit back all game then spam balls to the wings, thats the instruction. Play againt some teams using quick counter or possesion game it should be more enjoyable. On the demo, every team had a different setup which is why yoou enjoyed it. The full has many teams with long ball. Which makes games nasty!

Paitent buildup is there, again requires the right tactic settings, also longer matches makes the CPU more paitent.

Ironically, I'd always called out FIFA as an arcade style game, yet in FIFA12 last night I played away to Barcelona and couldn't get the ball. They were passing it backwards, holding on to the ball, they finished with over 60% possession, whereas in PES2012 Barcelona just play like everyone else - they sit deep, zip passes really fast, and get it up the pitch as soon as they possibly can.

One you master the game Barca shouldn't be a problem, no team should be on proffesional, especially when every team on the game is programmed to sit back when out of possesion. Barca on fifa will pass it around, like every single other team in the game but will not hassle you off the ball and play a very high line. I played a half ofr Me as Anzhi vs Barca on proffesional with i think slower accelration speed settings and other mods at my mates to test. the score was 2-1 i think to them. thing is i had most of the possesion because on the ball, Barca just back off and i could run at them and pass around with too much control, it was on full manual also (didn't feel like manual )

With PES it's been said to death in my tactics thread, and people have been experimenting with creating Barca tactics. The default ones are dogshit! By default they are not setup to play like Barca, also we have foiund Messi's and Iniesta's ratings to be wrong in key areas which makes them attack too aggresivley

 

[Suuuuupertalk]

You can change the game speed and pass assistance in the menu on PES

Sorry I was referring mainly to the stuff with the patch etc, and the differing challenges the game presents depending on a. what difficulty you're on and b. that difficulty changes depending on which version of PES you're running.

Oh yes they are, that was PES is all about, editing, modding the game to you preference. Thats it's biggest strength and biggest curse since people these days don't like doing it. Seabass asiad in the developer interviews his vision is to create a game where people could play how they wanted and change the game ot their style. On the back of the box it says (Play it your way)

Sorry don't agree. Thanks to guys like yourself who take the time to edit stats, the facility is there to do so. I don't however think Konami develop a game with the intention that others edit the actual gameplay itself, people do this precisely because Konami are incompetent at making all the stats & tactics relevant. Likewise, the patch 1.1 is intended for everyone to download. They have no intention for the public to choose which version of the game they like more. Version 1.1 is the version Konami mean for you to be playing. Otherwise they'd actually say so.

I think PC people can edit and mod the game but that's by doing stuff Konami don't strictly allow. The only modding you can do to a console version, that the game itself allows, is to alter stats, formations etc and player appearances/kits. That's a whole load to be able to do for sure, but Konami really only mean for you to be able to edit kits and faces etc.

Don't be under any illusion that Konami have some master plan to bring out a game then let the user tweak the gameplay themselves to create some kind of ultimate edition. Users CAN do that, and it's fantastic that they do, but I still think that what Konami produce from themselves, out of the box, is the game that they intend for you to be playing. It's only the fact that most sports games have a tradition of letting you edit players etc that saves the game for many, but if Konami didn't intend for us to play the game that they created then the bosses at Konami would probably be saying "well what are we paying them for if they're just creating a game for the user to create?".

I do agree with you though on the style of play of each team. It's lousy. I don't know if you create an option file with these altered tactics on, or if people have to implement them themselves, but unless there's some kind of option file to download with tactics changed then I might be done with the game. Absolutely fair play to all who want to change the tactics, learn what they all do, then sit through and change them all. Brilliant for all who want to do that, but personally I'm not prepared to pay for a product then have to sit down for hours altering stats. I could do something very similar at work and get paid to do so.

 

[klashman69]

LTFC, what i should've said was I'm just mighty surprised your not getting into the game.

There's something wrong with me at the moment. My discussions have been awful the last few days. I'm not thinking at a high level of consciousness. I'm behaving like a immature kid to be honest. I'm forgetting things and people preferences.

What i said before about tactics really are things to further enhance the game. Suggestions but there's aren't mandatory. Basically out of the box, STILL you could be enjoying this game.

What i totally forgot is you, like my older bother,seem to dislike PES 2012 in it's current form. I feel really as if you will like his game, trust me. It's PES 2011 but evolved massively, something will click sooner or later.

I mean my initial reply was silly, because I'm forgetting this game is more than good enough out of the box, not just that going back to the individuality. For example. In my Bundersliga season, most teams have 'long' Yet EVERY single team that has used it has played differently ina substantial way. I mean, that's what 4-5 teams with the exact same tactics and formation but they still play differently?

I mean playing Mainz, who countered with good football, Playing Kaiserslauten who countered with aggression, long balls and playing vs Dusseldorf int he cup who just hoofed and hoped for the most part but i give it to them they scored a very nice goal with a cross from Kruse.

What i should of said was, don't worry, calm down, it will click sooner or later. You love PES 2011 and you had a nightmare on that game for months until that clicked

Maybe it's something little as the atmosphere being flat. or maybe not remembering to change your teams tactics to how you want them to play, that's something no matter how you play and what setting s you play on you MUST do.

 

[klashman69]

I'm going to hopefully soon release a gigantic post about What needs to improve in this game. Possibly with videos. I've played hours of this game and i think i have just about found every single little thing wrong with it.
Overall it's hugely positive because most of it really can be sorted with a patch, apart from certain aesthetic stuff.

If i can bulletpoint them for now.

- Keepers (duh) (deflected shots is an issue)
- Crossing too accurate.
- CPU passing too accurate when they get momentum, infact a general toning down of CPU momentum is needed on -1 speed and 0. (others call this cheating)
- CPU could pass the ball a little more and not always take players on, (Very slightly change the balance)
- A few warp, animation bugs here and there.
- Too few injuries in Master league?
- Lofted through ball bit too floaty
- Sort out the difficulty issues with 1.01 patch (seems as if Superstar and professional swapped round)


This i hope they can patch in but not holding my breath.
- Replace certain animations and bring back some from PES 2010
- Add more chants per team


Can't think of any more for now. Maybe that's literally it!

 

[Jamezinho]

I completely agree with your sentiments, LT. Editing the game to overcome licensing issues is one thing, overhauling stats and tactics settings to rectify gameplay deficiencies is completely another. It's something I'm no longer willing to accept. I pay my money, I simply want to enjoy the game out of the box. I don't pay to become a data editor, nor should anyone else.

 

[CalcioCalabrese]

I'm going to hopefully soon release a gigantic post about What needs to improve in this game. Possibly with videos. I've played hours of this game and i think i have just about found every single little thing wrong with it.
Overall it's hugely positive because most of it really can be sorted with a patch, apart from certain aesthetic stuff.

If i can bulletpoint them for now.

- Keepers (duh) (deflected shots is an issue)
Agreed
- Crossing too accurate.
Disagree - find a lot of crosses just miss or go over the player's head etc.
- CPU passing too accurate when they get momentum, infact a general toning down of CPU momentum is needed on -1 speed and 0. (others call this cheating)
Agreed. When they want to, they can just steam ahead and score at will sometimes. Yes it's sometimes your own fault but sometimes they just charge at you full on.
- CPU could pass the ball a little more and not always take players on, (Very slightly change the balance)
- A few warp, animation bugs here and there.
- Too few injuries in Master league?
- Lofted through ball bit too floaty
Sometimes the chipped through balls are too flat. Almost like they don't get above shoulder height.
- Sort out the difficulty issues with 1.01 patch (seems as if Superstar and professional swapped round)
Have just unlocked superstar from the extra content menu so I'll try this out tonight but I remember even the FIFA 12 demo seemed to have Professional and World Class or Legendary swapped around - well it seemed that way.

This i hope they can patch in but not holding my breath.
- Replace certain animations and bring back some from PES 2010
I guess you'd have to ask them otherwise how will they know anyone wants them back
- Add more chants per team


Can't think of any more for now. Maybe that's literally it!

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[gerd]

Oh yes they are, that was PES is all about, editing, modding the game to you preference. Thats it's biggest strength and biggest curse since people these days don't like doing it. Seabass asiad in the developer interviews his vision is to create a game where people could play how they wanted and change the game ot their style. On the back of the box it says (Play it your way)

"Play it your way" is marketing language.
PES is not all about modding the game to your preference. NBA2K and FIFA are games that can easily be modded to one's preference.
PES must be the least customizable sports game.
The fact that you can edit everything is off course to make the lack of licenses a litle bit bearable.
If Konami really wanted to have a game that is all about modding, then they would introduce sliders. How long did it take them before you could change the duration of ML matches? For ages one could only play 10 minute matches. This is only one example of the lack of customization that IMO maybe is the weakest part of the game.
If PES give you the change to mod things, then it is to conceal sloppyness.
I like PES2012, but it has so many obvious flaws...i can't believe this game was tested seriously. It is frustrtating that this game could have been so much better.

To me the NBA2K games are the benchmark for all sports games. Compared to those games, PES is third rate. That would be excusable if i had to pay less for PES or if the developpers of NBA2K had more time to develop their games...that is not the case. To me it has no use to compare PES with FIFA...you should compare it with NBA2K. That game has it all...

 

[Jimmy G-Force]

I'm not happy that my custom chants for Boro dont work in offline ML mode. They work in CL and Exhibition, but not in ML. Very strange. I have no idea why this happens. Very, very strange. I wish someone would enlighten me as to why this is. I'm starting to think that it's because I'm in Div 2 with limited attendences. As crazy as this sounds, I cannot seem to find another answer. That's my little whinge. Rant over.

 

[Flaw3d Genius]

I know, but the xbox has tons of things missing and that run bug .

Patching is far easier on the PS3 which is very key!

What are the tons of things missing?