Sony PlayStation 3
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djdoc
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This Friday coming Noted.
DJ
DJ
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I think it's time you two joined...
El Diego, you can be the beaver. You like beavers. DJ, you can be the moose. Just because.
deftonesmx17
100% Werder!
:lmao:
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djdoc
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Lol @ JB 
Now even I have to laugh at that
DJ
Now even I have to laugh at thatDJ
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El Diego
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You would know all about bans though! I don't need to resort to insults such as "twats". But with spelling and grammar as bad as yours I would probably resort to childish insults . . . :lol:
Why did the admin team let you back anyway? You just leach onto people's comments/posts, you have no intelligent critique of your own . . .
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El Diego. Read. My. Post. And. Assume. Your. Role.
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El Diego
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You realise, with that avatar... We are now mortal enemies.
(And I realise how off-topic this thread has gone; sorry chaps)
(And I realise how off-topic this thread has gone; sorry chaps)
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ThomasGOAL
Retired Footballer
- 15 March 2003
The PlayStation's coming: New York's queue
http://ps3.qj.net/The-PlayStation-s-coming-New-York-s-queue/pg/49/aid/73017
http://ps3.qj.net/The-PlayStation-s-coming-New-York-s-queue/pg/49/aid/73017
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That's simply madness. I've been to New York when it's cold, and no way would I be waiting out, especially if the wind was whistling right up one street, think I've prob been to that Cicuit City too, its in Lower Manhatten if it's the place I'm thinking off.
TG, are you importing? Or waiting on the PAL release?
TG, are you importing? Or waiting on the PAL release?
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ThomasGOAL
Retired Footballer
- 15 March 2003
I wait the PAL version, for a simple reason, i don't like the first games, i want only MotorStorm "maybe" (february) and Virtua Tennis 3 "for sure" (March), so no need PS3 yet.
matherto
20 times 20 times Man United
you DEFINATELY wan't MotorStorm, it looks amazing, and so does Resistance
deftonesmx17
100% Werder!
First Tony Hawk 8 has bad framerates on PS3, then COD3 has worse framerates than the 360 version and now this.........WTF $ony??????
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kamy100
Premier League
- 9 June 2003
Finally got it today. Have to say that overall I am impressed.
The design of the machine itself is very slick, design wise can't fault it, it looks really good and it is very EXTREMELY shiny, although just like the PSP it will mark veryeasily. When you switch it on it becomes very apparent how quite the machine is, there is virtually no noise. I played it for just over 3 hours and the machine itself did not get warm at all, although from the air vents it gushes with very hot air, but I guess that just shows that the internal air flow system is working well. The operating system as just like the PSP, I like it maybe because I am used to the PSP, also it has different language options etc.
The saxis (sp) controller is excellent, I had read that it was very light, but it isn't that light, the new style shoulder buttons take some getting used to but they are a improvement.
At the moment I have only played Resistance, playing it on a Toshiba HDTV at 720p and the game looks and plays awesome, compared to 360 launch title it is much better, I also have RR7 and that also looks very good graphically. Bad news for people who have a SDTV, I tried it on my Phillips SDTV and it sucked. My 360 looks pretty good but the PS3 picture was nowhere near as good.
I'll try and upload some pictures/videos later today.
The design of the machine itself is very slick, design wise can't fault it, it looks really good and it is very EXTREMELY shiny, although just like the PSP it will mark veryeasily. When you switch it on it becomes very apparent how quite the machine is, there is virtually no noise. I played it for just over 3 hours and the machine itself did not get warm at all, although from the air vents it gushes with very hot air, but I guess that just shows that the internal air flow system is working well. The operating system as just like the PSP, I like it maybe because I am used to the PSP, also it has different language options etc.
The saxis (sp) controller is excellent, I had read that it was very light, but it isn't that light, the new style shoulder buttons take some getting used to but they are a improvement.
At the moment I have only played Resistance, playing it on a Toshiba HDTV at 720p and the game looks and plays awesome, compared to 360 launch title it is much better, I also have RR7 and that also looks very good graphically. Bad news for people who have a SDTV, I tried it on my Phillips SDTV and it sucked. My 360 looks pretty good but the PS3 picture was nowhere near as good.
I'll try and upload some pictures/videos later today.
rockykabir
hello
Slobber
boycotting PES
People who wait in line for a games console, are stupid.
Even when you buy a console that the staff have left behind the counter for you....
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Yeah it's down in Union Square in Lower Manhattan, I passed by there last Sunday and there was people outside queueing to get in!!! Imagine waiting almost a whole week! People have nothing to do, seriously.
RuneEdge
Silent Assassin
- 1 October 2003
- Manchester United
Shot with your own gun I think lad....................:lol:
To be fair, his error was a typo. I dont think Matherto's one was...
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There was a clip on the news tonight, seems a quite a few are being paid to queue..... Still they would need to be getting paid a shit load of cash. How cold is the wind chill in NYC atm?
Cool, I thought that was the store I had been into before. Tis still madness though...............
rockykabir
hello
I apologise if this offends anyone but....
What a bunch of freaks
What a bunch of freaks
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ThomasGOAL
Retired Footballer
- 15 March 2003
I try Ridge Racer 7 on normal TV and i can says the PS3 games on classic look very good.
PS : RR7 is a shit
PS : RR7 is a shit
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ThomasGOAL
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PlayStation 3 Offers Supercomputer Performance at PC Pricing, iSuppli’s Teardown Analysis Reveals
November 16, 2006
From delivery delays, to technology hurdles, to missed production targets, to cancelled pre-orders, to an apparently exorbitant price tag—we’ve all read the bad news regarding Sony Corp.’s much-anticipated new PlayStation 3 video-game console.
Now for the good news: iSuppli Corp.’s dissection reveals the PlayStation 3 is an engineering masterpiece that sets a new high mark for computing price/performance—even when considering it is more expensive than its nearest rival, the Xbox 360 from Microsoft Corp.
“With the PlayStation 3, you are getting the performance of a supercomputer at the price of an entry-level PC,” said Andrew Rassweiler, teardown services manager and senior analyst for iSuppli.
Table 1 below presents iSuppli’s estimate of major component and subsystem cost drivers for the PlayStation 3.
PlayStation 3 costs
The combined materials and manufacturing cost of the PlayStation 3 is $805.85 for the model equipped with a 20Gbyte Hard Disk Drive (HDD), and $840.35 for the 60Gbyte HDD version, according to iSuppli’s Teardown Analysis service’s preliminary estimate of expenses in the fourth quarter. This total doesn’t include additional costs for elements including the controller, cables and packaging.
At these costs, Sony is taking a considerable loss on each PlayStation 3 sold. Materials and manufacturing costs for the 20Gbyte model exceed the suggested retail price of $499 by a total of $306.85, iSuppli’s Teardown Analysis service estimates. For the 60Gbyte version, costs exceed the $599 price by $241.35.
With Sony taking a smaller loss on the higher-end model, it’s not a surprise the company is steering customers to the 60Gbyte version.
In contrast, the HDD-equipped Xbox 360 has a manufacturing and materials total of $323.30, based on an updated estimate using costs in the fourth quarter of 2006. This total is $75.70 less than the $399 suggested retail price of the Xbox 360.
Table 2 below presents a comparison of costs between the PlayStation 3 models and the Xbox 360.
It’s common for video-game console makers to lose money on hardware, and make up for the loss via video game-title sales. Still, the size of Sony’s loss per unit is remarkable, even for the video-game console business.
Cutting-edge design
Despite this, iSuppli’s Teardown Analysis shows that with the PlayStation 3, Sony has delivered an amazing level of performance for the cost.
“The reason why the PlayStation 3 is so costly to produce is because it has incredible processing power,” Rassweiler said. “If someone had shown me the PlayStation 3 motherboard from afar without telling me what it was, I would have assumed it was for a network switch or an enterprise server.”
Some of the more advanced features of the PlayStation 3’s design include:
- The dual Graphics Processing Units (GPUs), i.e. the RSX Reality Synthesizer from Nvidia Corp. and the Emotion Engine & Graphics Synthesizer from Toshiba Corp. The RSX Reality Synthesizer delivers cutting-edge high-definition graphics—while the Emotion Engine provides backward compatibility with PlayStation 2 game titles. With their design wins, Nvidia and Toshiba control 12 percent and 11 percent of the total PlayStation 3 materials and manufacturing costs respectively.
- The Cell Broadband Engine from IBM, which serves as the central processing unit of the PlayStation 3, provides the equivalent computing power of eight individual microprocessors. The Cell is what endows the PlayStation 3 with its supercomputer-like power, Rassweiler observed. IBM’s Cell processor accounts for 11 percent of the PlayStation 3 costs.
- The use of four Samsung Electronics Co. Ltd. 512Mbit DRAMs that employ high-speed memory interface technology from Rambus Inc. This marks the first use of the advanced XDR DRAM technology that iSuppli has detected. Samsung’s memory represents 11 percent of PlayStation 3 costs. Samsung and Elpida Memory Inc. are dual sources for the XDR DRAM.
Table 3 below presents the top-10 suppliers who control the most semiconductor value inside the PlayStation 3.
The PlayStation 3 exhibits a very advanced design in general.
“To give an example of how cutting-edge the design is, in the entire history of the iSuppli Teardown Analysis team, we have seen only three semiconductors with 1,200 or more pins. The PlayStation 3 has three such semiconductors all by itself,” Rassweiler noted. “There is nothing cheap about the PlayStation 3 design. This is not an adapted PC design. Even beyond the major chips in the PlayStation 3, the other components seem to also be expensive and somewhat exotic.”
Rassweiler cited the PlayStation 3’s inclusion of a power supply that packs a whopping 400-watts—yet uses a very compact, low-profile design. At $37.50, this power supply costs about twice as much as an average unit found in a PC.
Other component winners
While many of the major components found in the PlayStation 3 were already known, iSuppli’s Teardown Analysis team reported some surprise part selections in the game console that could boost the fortunes of their suppliers. These include:
- International Rectifier Corp., which contributes several power-management devices to the PlayStation 3. This gives International Rectifier a 3 percent share of total PlayStation 3 materials and manufacturing costs.
- Marvell Technology Group Ltd.’s 802.11 b/g module chipset, which provides wireless local area networking capabilities. With this design win, Marvell owns 2 percent of the PlayStation 3’s costs.
- CSR plc’s BlueCore 4 solution, which supports version 2.0 of the Bluetooth wireless standard, plus Enhanced Data Rate technology, giving it a transfer speed three times faster than current Bluetooth devices, according to CSR. This gives CSR a 1 percent share of the PlayStation 3 cost.
- Spansion Inc, which contributed an 8Mbit NOR flash memory chip for the PlayStation 3’s Bluetooth module, and a 16Mbit NOR flash part for the console’s Blu-Ray module. This gives Spansion ownership of less than 1 percent of the PlayStation 3’s costs.
A component glitch
Sony has suffered some well-publicized problems meeting its PlayStation 3 production and delivery goals.
Production problems meant that only 100,000 PlayStation 3 machines were ready in time for the console’s debut in Japan on Nov. 11, according to Chris Crotty, senior analyst, consumer electronics for iSuppli. When it goes on sale in the United States on Nov. 17, about 400,000 PS3 consoles will be available. Meanwhile, the console’s European launch has been pushed back until March of 2007.
Crotty said the reduction in shipments was due to yield problems at Nichia Corp., which supplies blue laser diodes for the PlayStation 3’s Blu-ray DVD. This slowed PlayStation 3 production.
Blues for Blu-Ray
Sony’s Blu-Ray DVD read only optical device in the PlayStation 3 has dual purposes: up-converting the game console’s output to high-definition resolution, and allowing viewers to watch high-definition movies using the console, according to Krishna Chander, senior analyst, storage devices, for iSuppli.
Sony’s strategy was not lost on Microsoft, which plans to offer a separate add-on high-definition DVD system for the Xbox 360. This should be available around the holiday season this year. Nintendo has no plans to offer a next-generation DVD system in its game consoles.
Given that more studio movie releases now are supported by Blu-Ray disks, Sony’s PS3 has a slight advantage. However, Microsoft plans to offer some network television movies for download into the Xbox 360 system.
PlayStation’s HDD
The PlayStation 3’s HDD is a 2.5-inch, 20Gbyte capacity drive supplied by Seagate Technology Inc. The reason a HDD is included in the PlayStation 3 is to store the mathematical modeling based on physics for the motion and impact of the various game objects. The DVD media produces the objects that are manipulated by the game player and for each scenario; the most realistic situations are replicated using the Cell processor and mathematical models.
Not so expensive after all
While many fret over the high cost and price of the PlayStation 3 compared to the competition, iSuppli believes the console provides more processing power and capability than any consumer electronics device in history. Because of this, the PlayStation 3 is a great bargain, well worth its $599 price and $840.35 cost, iSuppli believes.
For more information, please contact:
Jonathan Cassell
Editorial Director and Manager, Public Relations
iSuppli Corporation
Office: 408.654.1714
Mobile : 408.921.3754
www.isuppli.com
link : http://www.isuppli.com/news/default.asp?id=6919
November 16, 2006
From delivery delays, to technology hurdles, to missed production targets, to cancelled pre-orders, to an apparently exorbitant price tag—we’ve all read the bad news regarding Sony Corp.’s much-anticipated new PlayStation 3 video-game console.
Now for the good news: iSuppli Corp.’s dissection reveals the PlayStation 3 is an engineering masterpiece that sets a new high mark for computing price/performance—even when considering it is more expensive than its nearest rival, the Xbox 360 from Microsoft Corp.
“With the PlayStation 3, you are getting the performance of a supercomputer at the price of an entry-level PC,” said Andrew Rassweiler, teardown services manager and senior analyst for iSuppli.
Table 1 below presents iSuppli’s estimate of major component and subsystem cost drivers for the PlayStation 3.
PlayStation 3 costs
The combined materials and manufacturing cost of the PlayStation 3 is $805.85 for the model equipped with a 20Gbyte Hard Disk Drive (HDD), and $840.35 for the 60Gbyte HDD version, according to iSuppli’s Teardown Analysis service’s preliminary estimate of expenses in the fourth quarter. This total doesn’t include additional costs for elements including the controller, cables and packaging.
At these costs, Sony is taking a considerable loss on each PlayStation 3 sold. Materials and manufacturing costs for the 20Gbyte model exceed the suggested retail price of $499 by a total of $306.85, iSuppli’s Teardown Analysis service estimates. For the 60Gbyte version, costs exceed the $599 price by $241.35.
With Sony taking a smaller loss on the higher-end model, it’s not a surprise the company is steering customers to the 60Gbyte version.
In contrast, the HDD-equipped Xbox 360 has a manufacturing and materials total of $323.30, based on an updated estimate using costs in the fourth quarter of 2006. This total is $75.70 less than the $399 suggested retail price of the Xbox 360.
Table 2 below presents a comparison of costs between the PlayStation 3 models and the Xbox 360.
It’s common for video-game console makers to lose money on hardware, and make up for the loss via video game-title sales. Still, the size of Sony’s loss per unit is remarkable, even for the video-game console business.
Cutting-edge design
Despite this, iSuppli’s Teardown Analysis shows that with the PlayStation 3, Sony has delivered an amazing level of performance for the cost.
“The reason why the PlayStation 3 is so costly to produce is because it has incredible processing power,” Rassweiler said. “If someone had shown me the PlayStation 3 motherboard from afar without telling me what it was, I would have assumed it was for a network switch or an enterprise server.”
Some of the more advanced features of the PlayStation 3’s design include:
- The dual Graphics Processing Units (GPUs), i.e. the RSX Reality Synthesizer from Nvidia Corp. and the Emotion Engine & Graphics Synthesizer from Toshiba Corp. The RSX Reality Synthesizer delivers cutting-edge high-definition graphics—while the Emotion Engine provides backward compatibility with PlayStation 2 game titles. With their design wins, Nvidia and Toshiba control 12 percent and 11 percent of the total PlayStation 3 materials and manufacturing costs respectively.
- The Cell Broadband Engine from IBM, which serves as the central processing unit of the PlayStation 3, provides the equivalent computing power of eight individual microprocessors. The Cell is what endows the PlayStation 3 with its supercomputer-like power, Rassweiler observed. IBM’s Cell processor accounts for 11 percent of the PlayStation 3 costs.
- The use of four Samsung Electronics Co. Ltd. 512Mbit DRAMs that employ high-speed memory interface technology from Rambus Inc. This marks the first use of the advanced XDR DRAM technology that iSuppli has detected. Samsung’s memory represents 11 percent of PlayStation 3 costs. Samsung and Elpida Memory Inc. are dual sources for the XDR DRAM.
Table 3 below presents the top-10 suppliers who control the most semiconductor value inside the PlayStation 3.
The PlayStation 3 exhibits a very advanced design in general.
“To give an example of how cutting-edge the design is, in the entire history of the iSuppli Teardown Analysis team, we have seen only three semiconductors with 1,200 or more pins. The PlayStation 3 has three such semiconductors all by itself,” Rassweiler noted. “There is nothing cheap about the PlayStation 3 design. This is not an adapted PC design. Even beyond the major chips in the PlayStation 3, the other components seem to also be expensive and somewhat exotic.”
Rassweiler cited the PlayStation 3’s inclusion of a power supply that packs a whopping 400-watts—yet uses a very compact, low-profile design. At $37.50, this power supply costs about twice as much as an average unit found in a PC.
Other component winners
While many of the major components found in the PlayStation 3 were already known, iSuppli’s Teardown Analysis team reported some surprise part selections in the game console that could boost the fortunes of their suppliers. These include:
- International Rectifier Corp., which contributes several power-management devices to the PlayStation 3. This gives International Rectifier a 3 percent share of total PlayStation 3 materials and manufacturing costs.
- Marvell Technology Group Ltd.’s 802.11 b/g module chipset, which provides wireless local area networking capabilities. With this design win, Marvell owns 2 percent of the PlayStation 3’s costs.
- CSR plc’s BlueCore 4 solution, which supports version 2.0 of the Bluetooth wireless standard, plus Enhanced Data Rate technology, giving it a transfer speed three times faster than current Bluetooth devices, according to CSR. This gives CSR a 1 percent share of the PlayStation 3 cost.
- Spansion Inc, which contributed an 8Mbit NOR flash memory chip for the PlayStation 3’s Bluetooth module, and a 16Mbit NOR flash part for the console’s Blu-Ray module. This gives Spansion ownership of less than 1 percent of the PlayStation 3’s costs.
A component glitch
Sony has suffered some well-publicized problems meeting its PlayStation 3 production and delivery goals.
Production problems meant that only 100,000 PlayStation 3 machines were ready in time for the console’s debut in Japan on Nov. 11, according to Chris Crotty, senior analyst, consumer electronics for iSuppli. When it goes on sale in the United States on Nov. 17, about 400,000 PS3 consoles will be available. Meanwhile, the console’s European launch has been pushed back until March of 2007.
Crotty said the reduction in shipments was due to yield problems at Nichia Corp., which supplies blue laser diodes for the PlayStation 3’s Blu-ray DVD. This slowed PlayStation 3 production.
Blues for Blu-Ray
Sony’s Blu-Ray DVD read only optical device in the PlayStation 3 has dual purposes: up-converting the game console’s output to high-definition resolution, and allowing viewers to watch high-definition movies using the console, according to Krishna Chander, senior analyst, storage devices, for iSuppli.
Sony’s strategy was not lost on Microsoft, which plans to offer a separate add-on high-definition DVD system for the Xbox 360. This should be available around the holiday season this year. Nintendo has no plans to offer a next-generation DVD system in its game consoles.
Given that more studio movie releases now are supported by Blu-Ray disks, Sony’s PS3 has a slight advantage. However, Microsoft plans to offer some network television movies for download into the Xbox 360 system.
PlayStation’s HDD
The PlayStation 3’s HDD is a 2.5-inch, 20Gbyte capacity drive supplied by Seagate Technology Inc. The reason a HDD is included in the PlayStation 3 is to store the mathematical modeling based on physics for the motion and impact of the various game objects. The DVD media produces the objects that are manipulated by the game player and for each scenario; the most realistic situations are replicated using the Cell processor and mathematical models.
Not so expensive after all
While many fret over the high cost and price of the PlayStation 3 compared to the competition, iSuppli believes the console provides more processing power and capability than any consumer electronics device in history. Because of this, the PlayStation 3 is a great bargain, well worth its $599 price and $840.35 cost, iSuppli believes.
For more information, please contact:
Jonathan Cassell
Editorial Director and Manager, Public Relations
iSuppli Corporation
Office: 408.654.1714
Mobile : 408.921.3754
www.isuppli.com
link : http://www.isuppli.com/news/default.asp?id=6919
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Kenny M
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walked past a shop in hong kong today and they were selling ps3. one english guy bought 2 systems (20gb).
looked really big and the guy said it was much heavier than a 360.
i saw ridge racer 7 on the hdtv and it was nothing special.
i think i will wait a while until i decide if i am gonna buy one.
damn expensive and not many good launch games.
looked really big and the guy said it was much heavier than a 360.
i saw ridge racer 7 on the hdtv and it was nothing special.
i think i will wait a while until i decide if i am gonna buy one.
damn expensive and not many good launch games.