Real Madrid Thread

I think the games they expect to dominate both Alonso and Sahin will play, the bigger games is anyone's guess.
 
The an important statistic about Ronaldo scoresheet and actually a very good thing for Real is that he has scored almost 40% of his goals to an empty net (or following a great play by his team that he only finishes) or from the penalty spot.

It's a good sign because penalties need to be scored and also he is in the right position at the right time to score the sitters and easy finnishes.

The bad sign is that he uses to score a lot of goals against weak teams, but fail to decide the important matches or in matches that get difficult for some reason.

To me that's a very easy way to define Ronaldo's game. He's an incredible athletic beast with great finishing skills that will kill you at open spaces and crazy matches. That happens a lot against weak teams and he then tends to score lots of goals in pairs or hat tricks. But the moment the spaces disappear or the team doesn't supply him good balls, he automatically disappears. He has a lot of influence in the final third of the field only. I think he only needs to improve his vision, teamplay abbilities and learn to make the team play around and because of him to become important in big matches.

He's one of the best finishers I've ever seen, though.
 
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drekkard said:
The an important statistic about Ronaldo scoresheet and actually a very good thing for Real is that he has scored almost 40% of his goals to an empty net (or following a great play by his team that he only finishes) or from the penalty spot.

It's a good sign because penalties need to be scored and also he is in the right position at the right time to score the sitters and easy finnishes.

The bad sign is that he uses to score a lot of goals against weak teams, but fail to decide the important matches or in matches that get difficult for some reason.

To me that's a very easy way to define Ronaldo's game. He's an incredible athletic beast with great finishing skills that will kill you at open spaces and crazy matches. That happens a lot against weak teams and he then tends to score lots of goals in pairs or hat tricks. But the moment the spaces disappear or the team doesn't supply him good balls, he automatically disappears. He has a lot of influence in the final third of the field only. I think he only needs to improve his vision, teamplay abbilities and learn to make the team play around and because of him to become important in big matches.

He's one of the best finishers I've ever seen, though.
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It's the other way around unfortunately, he possessed all those qualities and has decided to change his game so its all about right place right time and a great finisher.

I found it cringeworthy yesterday how the whole game was about lets try and let Ronaldo score, it reminded me of primary school tactics of getting that 1 kid to score all the goals so he can gloat about scoring this many goals :LOL:
 
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It's the other way around unfortunately, he possessed all those qualities and has decided to change his game so its all about right place right time and a great finisher.

I found it cringeworthy yesterday how the whole game was about lets try and let Ronaldo score, it reminded me of primary school tactics of getting that 1 kid to score all the goals so he can gloat about scoring this many goals :LOL:
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Yes, but as I said that's a positive thing for Madrid. How many teams in the world could supply his striker that many chances to score?

I mean, it can only be a good sign of how easy it is for the entire team, no matter who plays, to create clear chances to score. Being Madrid a team based almost exclusively in counter-attacking and direct play it shouldn't surprise us, but it does surprise me how easy they find it to make Ronaldo poach goals against weak teams.

@beboq: Yes, I was expecting a reference to the cup goal. And it's a legit one. ;) But overall he tends to disappear in big matches and his scoring unbalance between weak/big teams is too big. Maybe a younggun says it's a case of the style of Madrid compared to what he was used to at Manchester.
 
He scores in big games now but barely performs in them, in 06/07 he had an unbelievable season but had poor games against Arsenal, Chelsea and Milan away which he got criticized for being a flat track bully, the season after he decided to just get on the score sheet in these games and the media ate it up as if he'd had a 10/10 performance, from then on its been all about goals.
 
It just gets really funny when some die-hard fans or haters are trying to make "objective" comments about the rival team or its star. Sorry but am I wrong or doesn't the other challenger of Pichichi award play in the same league, La Liga? There is only two important matches, if you want to call them, El Clasicos as all know and we're talking about the top scorer not a MVP or anything. Both players scored equally once against each other's team so please just cut the crap like the recent comments on the known comparison.

People who thinks the others are stupid, I mean, those who says "oh Mesut Özil is a great one and better than Ronaldo" (*cough* "look guys, I do not hate the whole team and see I am an objective guy! *cough*). Mesut played only a good first half of the Copa del Rey final, other than that, he just disappeared by the relentless and succesful defensive efforts of Barça players. If anything, he was even (absolutely to me) worse than CR in those "BIG" matches. So I ask you, how could you say he's better than CR, depending on what, which performances? Sorry but your hate-based inconsistent comments about Ronaldo are just laughable and pathetic so I'd maybe advise you to keep those to yourselves.

Someone said "he's one of the best finishers I've ever seen" and the same person who said that also called his goals as "sitters, easy finishes, penalties" in an ironic way. That alone shows how smarty the hidden haters are. Anyway, Ronaldo is just kickin the ball with so much power and accuracy-wise he's just awful. The thing is he's a machine that never gives up never stops in attacks and has a great positional play when on form. The strange thing is when some smarty haters of him tries to criticize him, they got used to use his accuracy ratio and bad finishing ability most of the time and actually no one can deny that. You don't even need to go any further than last night, just remember how he couldn't make it in an open 1on1 at the late minutes of the game. "He scored 50 goals and that means he's a great finisher", sorry but that just sounds ridiculous as much as the known biases about his character.
 
You're just bitter. The fact that 16 goals came from the penalty spot or easy finishes it's absolutely objective even if for some awkward reason it seems to annoy you. And it wasn't a critic in any way. Just the opposite, it's a very good thing for your team, it means they can ellaborate great movements that lead to a sure end and he's always there to make them count. So you may be embarrassing yourself here if you think it's all a kind of "smarty strategy". You need to take conspiracies out of your head man.

In any case, your critics about my posts make little sense to me. The fact he's a great finisher is just as obvious as the fact he tends to underperfom in big matches, though he's still young and has time to change it. His ratio of shots/goals is awful from long range and free kicks. But inside the area his ratio of shots/headers to goal is great.

That means he has to forget about shooting everything, be a little more picky and make his teammates play a little more in the final third if there's not an obvious shooting chance. That would have a direct impact in the team in a positive way.

I don't get the full paragraph about Ozil because I don't think anyone here said Ozil was better at any big match. And about the comparison of Messi-Ronaldo in the league classicos, it's obvious Messi was a lot more decisive. They scored the same ammount og goals, but Messi had 2 assists and totally destroyed Madrid deffense at the Camp Nou, so I don't get exactly what are you trying to show here.
 
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You're just bitter. The fact that 16 goals came from the penalty spot or easy finishes it's absolutely objective even if for some awkward reason it seems to annoy you.
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No, I don't bitter of course. Tell you what annoys me, it's how the likes of you talk about his success in a wry way. You never talk about the other part of his goals, the good ones. If Ronaldo scores a great goal, nobody talks about him here but when he's getting closer to an achievement like that the same old boring talks pops out again and again. The easy ones are all there are.. :YAWN:

And it wasn't a critic in any way. Just the opposite, it's a very good thing for your team, it means they can ellaborate great movements that lead to a sure end and he's always there to make them count. So you may be embarrassing yourself here if you think it's all a kind of "smarty strategy". You need to take conspiracies out of your head man.
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I don't love or support Real Madrid. I only like the way they play, just like another usual team system (seems like no system sometimes) with collected stars. Usually exciting to watch their matches cuz you can easily feel the existence of the opponent team and the competitive spirit naturally. Anyway, the main point is why I talk in this thread more than in any other one is I feel most people do injustice and go harsh in their comments about Real Madrid in recent years.

In any case, your critics about my posts make little sense to me. The fact he's a great finisher is just as obvious as the fact he tends to underperfom in big matches, though he's still young and has time to change it. His ratio of shots/goals is awful from long range and free kicks. But inside the area his ratio of shots/headers to goal is great.

That means he has to forget about shooting everything, be a little more picky and make his teammates play a little more in the final third if there's not an obvious shooting chance. That would have a direct impact in the team in a positive way.
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Seems like you get the reason why he is not as good as usual in big matches. He is just a player who can't perform when there's some special marking on him. And a monster at open play.

I don't like how he's going selfish sometimes as well. I can remember how I said "stupid player!" about him when he went for goal instead of passing it to Di Maria in a position in the first or second match of the consecutive four El Clasicos.

I don't get the full paragraph about Ozil because I don't think anyone here said Ozil was better at any big match. And about the comparison of Messi-Ronaldo in the league classicos, it's obvious Messi was a lot more decisive. They scored the same ammount og goals, but Messi had 2 assists and totally destroyed Madrid deffense at the Camp Nou, so I don't get exactly what are you trying to show here.
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Look, the thing you're still doing is what I'd pointed out earlier. The recent matter of discussion is about Pichichi award and it's nothing to do with how a player plays in matches but the amount of goals he scores as everybody knows so I can't see any logic in comparing Ronaldo and Messi in terms of efficiency repeatedly and unnecessarily.
 
As long as I know, you were the first to talk about Ozil and the first to refer to comparisons to Messi! I was only commenting on your post.

But I think you really were a little "touchy" there, as I was being positive with the teamplay and commenting my view on how Ronaldo could be even better as a player if he improved his decision making when away of the goal.

On another point, and it's interesting that you mention it: I don't think people is being harsh with Real by no reason. I'm not talking about Barcelona fans that most probably will be critics with Real, but the general public oppinion. There may be a reason why it happens. Fair or not. But Florentino' style and Mourinho have been doing a lot of harm to Madrid's image. It's quite obvious something MUST BE happening when the team is being booed in almost every stadium in Spain, when it had never happened.

People like Del Bosque, Hierro or Sanchis (even Di Stefano himself), all of them great Madridistas that I respect a lot, have talked about the negative image that the club is projecting outdoors.

Maybe if the club had a healthier and more sportive approach as a whole this things wouldn't happen and Madrid players wouldn't be criticized as much. But it's hard when the animal Pepe (who should be ruled out of this sport as well as the cheaty idiot Busquets, in my oppinion) is reverenced as a symbol for the fans and the coach wastes a full season moaning about the referees, the calendar, the rest of coaches, the lack of a striker, the calendar again, the spanish press, Villar, Unicef, the UEFA committees, the hours of matches, Valdano...

I say it again. With another president, Del Bosque or Pellegrini in the bench and this squad, I think Madrid would have done a better season not only in sportive terms, but also institutionally. And at the end, it also means money, because you can't expect to sell millions of shirts if your image don't attract people.
 
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Why did Real parade around their Spanish Cup again yesterday? Seems quite smalltime considering Barca celebrated their league title win on the same day.
 
Wow that was stunning! CR hit the 38 goals mark with a last second FK and it wasn't his first one in the match. Also he surpassed Messi's 50 goal record. Legendary.
 
2 interesting articles that a madridista friend sent me today about what's happening at the club this season, written by proper journalists with style and content. I would like to know the oppinion of Madrid fans around here about it:
http://www.elpais.com/articulo/reportajes/Fe/Mou/elpepusocdmg/20110515elpdmgrep_8/Tes

And here's another article written by a famous writer in Spain who happens to be a lifelong fan:
http://www.elpais.com/articulo/portada/chaman/feria/elpepusoceps/20110515elpepspor_16/Tes

I think these articles are dignifying sports journalism in a time where most of the newspapers and tv programs in Spain are absolutely disgusting and lacking any kind of talent or honesty.
 
Real Madrid biggest problems along with Chelsea of late is the amount of " Managers " in such a short time. RM is the most elegant, biggest club on the planet as the reporter stated. They are resulting in damage limitation. I feel Perez is responsible mostly in the decline by his desperation for success and abandoning to the principles as what RM represented . That torture bit about Mourinho is like saying the amount of pressure is somewhat of Obama . Mourinho loves the attention in fact w/o it won`t be mou.
 
Interesting read drekkard. I used to read El País because of the International news although I’ve never taken a special attention to the Sports texts in this paper before.

There are certainly good points in both articles. Unfortunately (or fortunately!) I can’t agree with everything the authors sorted out. I see a different perspective but their points are good understandable, and few others undeniable.


Mourinho and the Values

I grew up watching the likes of Mijatovic, Ilgner, Seedorf, Hierro and Raúl. What a joy it was for me the Yugoslavian scored the winning goal against Juve giving the La Séptima for Real Madrid. Since then several players, coaches and 2 or 3 presidents passed at Santiago Bernabeu.

Meanwhile, from 1998 to 2011 Spanish football had changed. Barcelona transformed themself into the main force in Spain. And so was the victimization chart. When you win you don’t need to complain. When you lose you play the victim role. It always happened and it will always happen.

Those so called Real Madrid values are related with the success the club achieved during his History, at least those type of values the writers exposed in their texts. There are other values that Real Madrid continues to express all over the World, “institutional values” like, for instance, the help Real will give to the victims of Lorca earthquake.

But the writers focused their opinions on other type of values, let’s say, “game values”. And here comes the whole criticism surrounding referee complaining, an atrocious behavior according to the authors. It’s unacceptable that kind of attitude from a Real Madrid coach they said. Well, in fact, it’s unacceptable that kind of attitude from José Mourinho. I would like to know their opinion about Sir Alex Ferguson or Arsene Wenger, those men aren’t properly political correct regarding refs evaluation. So were Capello, Luxemburgo and Schuster but, believing in Marías words, he didn’t mind about Capello. Strange isn’t it? All comes down to Mourinho.

I regret myself some of his actions, like when he said Barcelona should be ashamed on the way they get qualified or the way they beat Chelsea. These are, in my point of view, unnecessary and classless talk. Some call him dirty, others tend to praise his mentality abilities and communication skills. I prefer to admire his skills although I must condemn some oh his actions.

People have to realise one thing. The victimization speech is part of his mind games. When you’re a victim you’re crowd tends to support you even stronger. The commitment between team and afición becomes higher and higher, as Diego Torres correctly stated. You know, everybody loves Calimero! Sometimes I thought to myself: Does he really believes in what is saying? Or this is just part of victimization strategy that puts even more pressure on the referees? Is he pretending? Anyway, it doesn’t matter really, the important thing is: he reaches his aim by saying those kind of things. He gets everybody’s attention at the same time he puts pressure in others, avoiding that pressure from the players (the players have another type of pressure, the expectations that come from the locker and no one knows).

Mourinho isn’t a tactical master, he is far from being one though, although he gave Social Science a tremendous importance in today’s football.


Faith in the Devil

El estadio Santiago Bernabéu, sede del club más rico y popular del planeta, siempre fue un escenario intimidante por su fría solemnidad. La multitud regala elogios en dosis muy calculadas, incluso a sus héroes más queridos, y en ocasiones después de años de observación. En su altar, sitúa a un grupo reducido de futbolistas, además de un presidente, el propio Bernabéu, que antes de oficiar de patriarca también fue jugador.
Desde hace meses, sin embargo, se observa un fenómeno insólito. La hinchada entona cánticos de alabanza al entrenador José Mourinho.
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Watching your rival winning 3 Ligas in a row and with a 3rd Champions in the way in just 6 years creates a devastating sentiment. You simply lost your hopes in your club. “Never mind, they will win it again” supporters said. But then, you watch your rival struggling. The unbeatable team is suddenly eliminated by an (in theory) weaker team. “Woah, this guys are good” you thought. However they weren’t that good until a certain man comes in. Inter took almost 60 years to win the Champions again. Mourinho was the man.

He is a winner. That’s the difference between Mourinho and the others. The Portuguese coach is a winner, no matter how he always manages to win. 18 titles in 3 different countries – his CV tells everything. Real Madrid was a winner back in time.

The club has been overpast by Barcelona in the last decade. So, if you join a former winning team with an current winner guy maybe your club can get back to the glorious track and to the winning root. There comes the faith.

Albeit being an over exigent crowd, the Madridista afición realizes that Mourinho is the man who is able to stop Barcelona’s dominance and hegemony. For the first time in 3 years the club won an official competition showing the gap isn’t that big and is becoming shorter. This process takes several time, the crowd has to be patience. Besides, everyone at Real Madrid knows how tragic were some of the mistakes made in the last few years, with the Del Bosque exit being the most terrible one.

Organization Chart

Si en mayo Florentino Pérez creyó que fichaba un entrenador, en Navidades descubrió que el hombre que tenía a su lado ambicionaba diseñar la estrategia del club. "Si por él fuera, ejercería de presidente".
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Florentino should know this when brought Mourinho to Madrid. He hasn’t just signed a football coach, he has signed a manager, the architect of a whole Real Madrid structure.

Real Madrid has a big problem: lack of organization. I’m saying this for years but it seems that things remain at the very first point in Madrid. Florentino Perez is a hell of a business man. However, he hasn’t a clue about football. To avoid such errors he must look at Roman Abramovich’s (bad) example. When a business man interferes in football department there’s no way to see your team winning.

There are too many people taking decision at the club. The organizational chart has to be dramatically changed. Mourinho should take all the decisions regarding to football, in other words, the coach is the one who targets players and technical staff. Furthermore, the Director (in the case, Valdano who should walk out IMO) should deal for the ones Mourinho asked and the President manages the club as an Institution. Pretty simple and understandable for everyone. The Presidential system is almost over in nowadays football (I’m talking about traditional football clubs, not those ones whose are lead by suggar daddies who think to be football experts signing everyone they want just for greediness).

For example, at Inter Mourinho was offered free pass to work and implement his methodology. Institutional relation among Mou, Moratti and Marco Branca (Technical Director) worked pretty well (note that Moratti is a very conservative person, he has a precise idea of how a club must run) because the President knew how to deal with Mou’s working methods. Mou did the same at Porto and he tried do so at Chelsea. You know how different both cases were ended.

To sum up, the club has to re-adapt his organogram into the modern era.

El fenómeno inspira la curiosidad de los más importantes ejecutivos del club, que lo interpretan en clave freudiana: la multitud siente nostalgia de una figura autoritaria.
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Yeah, what I’ve said before. When your team desperately needs a bit of planning one must take a voice of control and punch the table. Mourinho is the right person to do so and the afición has realized that. The club should stop being a circus of egos and bad management.


What’s Next?

The options are pretty clear for those who blame Mourinho:

1. Sack Mourinho, make him a multimillionaire (if he wasn’t yet)and watch the Portuguese coach winning more titles at Italy or England while Madrid keep losing and losing all over again.
2. Keep Mou at the helm for a second season, assuring the club won’t dismiss the project and, more than probably, winning the most important titles (Liga and Champions).

I will be short and concise at this one:
If people want to lose against the likes of Alcorcón then call back Pellegrini.


Mourinho: The Last Hope

We all know why Florentino Perez choose Mourinho. The main reason is called Barcelona. The more they (board) want to hide it the more obvious it gets.

Perez has expected to bring the Anti-Barça, the man who can takeover of Camp Nou and spread the fear towards the whole Barcelona nation. He was looking for an antidote, an antidote called José Mourinho, the best football coach in the World (yes Mr. Diego Torres, there is an award to crown the best coach of the year and as far as I know Mou won it in January last).

Eventually the effects wouldn’t take place immediately and Madrid wasn’t able to beat Barça this season. Why? In a nutshell:

1. Rome wasn't built in a day. In that case, Madrid wasn’t built in a season.
2. As I stated above, current organizational chart is lame.
3. FC Barcelona is, undoubtedly, the best team in the planet of football.

All said, Javier Marías is an extraordinary novelist but a bad football analyst. What I’ve seen this season was a Real Madrid team finally able to beat the so-called best football team of the History. Meanwhile, Diego Torres is trying to figure out a failure still to come… and it may happen any time though.

Next season will answer a lot of questions so, please Madridistas, I beg you to not overreact. Wait till next season while enjoying your Summer.


Sorry guys, I took it too long. I hope you don’t get bothered with me. :PRAY:
 
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Nice to answer with such a long post, TSO, just great!

About the values/winning and why long time Madridistas aren't confortable with Mourinho-Florentino
I don't agree 100% on the articles, either, but the part about the "values" of the club... maybe I have a broader perspective of the club, as I have been a follower of Real since child. So, I have seen the evolution of the club from the 70s to the 90s and the last decade.

When those journalists/writers talk about the club values, they're not talking about winning, but how the club should win and how the club should loose. Madrid had never been a club complaining about referees or conspirators. Even in large periods of time when Madrid wasn't winning cups (early 80s, early 90s).

In fact, what most of these writers are voicing is just that "winning at all costs" can't be the Madridista's filosophy. As I stated before, Real has lost a LOT of support in Spain. It's not only because of Barcelona winning more now. In the 90s, Madrid was the most popular team, by far, even while Cruyf made us win 4 league titles. Maybe it's the fact that the constant moaning has actually brought upon themselves the image of "loossers" that the club had never got.

Madrid was a team that was cheered everywhere up to some years ago. What these people say is that everything Mourinho does, he does it for himself in order to win as the only goal he has. And the image of the club is being hurted, so may not be the right way.

About Pellegrini-Mourinho
It's true that the team has performed very well, but don't forget that Pellegrini did a better season in La Liga and was a title contender up to the last match last season. The defeat at Alcorcon was more a problem of the players than him. And he had the press against since the first match. So, I really don't think there's much difference in Madrid from last season to this one. Simply a lot more millions in that brought some more great players. Don't forget also that Pellegrini had Robben adnd Snejder sold when he wanted them.

It's true that Mourinho's Real has been a little more competitive and luckier in certain matches (in the cup against Sevilla, in the CL against OL) but that's it in my oppinion.

Thanks again for commenting that long post, TSO, you're indeed a lot more special than the other one (I can't get tired of saying this, lol)
 
Ladies and gentlemen, here is your record breaker man.

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He is the first player in RM history who surpassed 50 goal mark in a single season with a total of 53 goals.

He is the player who scored most goals in a single La Liga season with a total of 40.

He is the player who has the record of most goals per minute in a single La Liga season with a goal scored every 70,7 minutes.

He is the first player who won the European Golden Shoe award in two different leagues, that are EPL and La Liga.

Cristiano Ronaldo, truly a legend.
 
Oh I haven't answered to your last post drekkard, my bad. Very kind words amigo. Fortunately you like when the Knicks won, so you're a very good person. :P

I really appreciate your view of old Madrid days. A late 80s born guy like me haven't the perception of what kind of club Madrid was and how they spread their values. According to your experience, the club went down in certain values but I frankly hope Mou has realized how bad (yes, I'm criticizing him!) he handled some situations, specially the unlucky press conference after Barcelona's defeat at Bernabeu. And then, as you said, Perez galácticos policy plays a big role on this.

José Mourinho

"Hablar de fair-play, de respeto por el adversario y de tarjeta roja al racismo no deben ser palabras, deben ser hechos. Tengo la esperanza de que para la próxima temporada podamos recuperar para nuestro deporte esos principios fundamentales".
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I hope so mister, I hope...


About Pellegrini, well, he's an extraordinary coach, no doubts about that but, and there's always a but, the defeats against Lyon and Alcorcón were inexcusable. Moreover, all over the season he made some dumb tactical decisions in few games, primary mistakes for a club like Madrid. And yes, the f'n terrible press didn't help. At the time I wished he would get sacked but then, when he really get sacked I felt sorry for him and realize that, probably, he deserved another year under fully commitment by Florentino Perez (yea, sold Dutch cracks haven't helped the Chilean coach).

By the way, about your Madridista friend, what does he think about Mou, Perez?


About CR7... hum... no words! Legend. :WORSHIP:
 
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