Real Madrid Thread

but mate i don´t deny his ability to make his own players play for him, but he is a coach that was his whole career in teams with healthy owners /except Porto, but there was more managers who won a big trophy with "small" team..Cups are different thing than leagues... He was manager in Chelsea, Inter and now Real, where he got an owner above him, that could buy player for him who he wanted. not second choice, or third, but that particular player.. while there is many managers with great skills that have to deal with stupid owners and have to get used to not have the best players.. there is obviously also the thing about Mourinho that makes him "special" his personality, he drags all media to his person, leaving the players out of it...he is a winner definetly..but there is few coaches that could do this things with Real Madrid, he is doing now, that were trhown out of the club..like Capello or Pellegrini.. Mourinho could as well loose against Barca two days ago...Barca were not that bad again...it´s matter of luck.. other would be if Madrid trashed Barca in such important match like league... obviously finals or cups are totatly different thing as long term league...Some coaches are build for cups, some have long term league skills to keep the team play always good... but as i said, Mourinho don´t have much to do to win La Liga, just to beat Barca...there is no competition left except Barca... Mourinho imo will be back soon in England..or Italy..

About Benitez, you can´t compare his spell at Inter with Mourinhos, simply becouse Benitez had unfinished job with Liverpool, and had to deal with crazy owners.. While at Inter, he had still house in Liverpool and i belive he mentioned LFC many times in his interviews there..He was not 100% focused on Inter as much as Jose..even if i belive he wanted, and after Mourinho the expectations were enourmous..
 
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I do not see it as a mature of luck but a real mental strenght. In this match, barça broke its teeth on a unbeatable wall. And this was incredible.
After that yes you are right, he is where there is money to build a team.
There are very few teams that are working well with bad owners. His ambition is to win the champions league, which is not easy and must be helped by a very handful team.
But isnt it also the case for barca ? Why is Guardiola going so well ? Because he has the stability of Barca.
Maybe there are very good coach unknown because they are in smaller clubs with lower ambition.
And he was one in Porto. He won uefa and ucl.
And now he is in better clubs. This is how football is going. Afterall it is always a mature of luck. You manage to win something, someone sees you and wants you.
 
Ok i agree mate, but why was Mourinho fired from Chelsea..? Exactly becouse he was unlucky to win CL with them i belive..maybe he would continue to not have luck to win it with them...who knows, cups are matter of Luck and tactics.. also i don´t like the matches are not so fair, evertime the first match is mostly desisive...as we saw two weaks ago..

Avram Grant ! was a Terry penalty away to win CL with with Chelsea. And there was more unknown coaches who almost or won it..
 
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Honnestly Chelsea lost this final because ManU had more experience at this level of competition.
Who knows what would have happened in 2008 if Chemsea had kept a coach able to build a mental strong team
 
Impressive display yesterday with so many stars on the bench.

Benzema, Higuain and Kaka were just taking the piss. Kaka looked like his old self as well so was an absolute joy to watch, his second goal was just class personified.

Was interesting to see such good forward play without Cristiano there. He should just come back to Manchester 'cause he's no good for Madrid. :P
 
You just contradicted yourself really, Higauin and Kaka are stars and would probably get into any team in the world bar Real Madrid and Barcelona.
 
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Another undeniable point is his impact on the relationship between coaches/players and the press. Might sound exaggerate but Mou have revolutionized this aspect of the game (well, this was even part of the game but is now thanks to him). Have you ever heard of “mind-games” before Mourinho? Did the coaches ever give importance to that aspect? He seized football to another level. The mental and psychological flat. I must say, this is probably the most fascinating characteristic of Morinho’s approach and the one which attached me the most into his person. It’s fascinating to concern and understand what is behind what is being said and showed by him in all these press conferences. The way he reach his aim, which is, get all the spotlights to him, putting all the pressure on his own, releasing the players for what is really important, the battle in the field, intrigues and captivates me a lot.
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as for his ability to exploit the media for his own interests, i wouldn't get to the point to say he revolutionized football in this aspect... herrera used the exact same expedients, and also lippi and reynolds were very similar to mou in this aspect... not to mention bearzot, who was the first one to use press silence to build "siege mentality" in his dressing room).....
... but yeah, josè will certainly go down in history as one of the best coaches in this aspect.
it must be said though, he had some troubles in italy (where the journalists are very knowledgeable in football and not really easy to "handle").

i also don't buy the whole "taking the pressure away from my players" point. as a matter of fact mourinho has always put huge pressure on his players (wich is the exact opposite of what he claims). the thing is, he seems to be able to exploit this pressure to put his players in the conditions to give their best, and that's certainly a merit.

as for his relationship with the players, i am mostly impressed by the grip he has on his players. like i said before, i believe one of the toughest aspects in being a coach is to persuade the players to follow u, to "get them on board". and mou is really a master in this.

having said that, i don't think he would deliver in a midclass club. i know about his portuguese experience in leiria, but i'm absolutely sure that in a serie a midclass club he would be a collossal failure. his match reading is just not good enough to coach a midclass club (at least in italy). and match reading is much more important for a midclass club coach than it is for a top club coach.

but that doesn't mean he isn't a great coach. he is a great coach..... for top clubs. afterall there are many great coaches who can do wonders with a midclass club, but who couldn't do what jose does in a top club.
 
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i apologize for double posting, but let me just rephrase my last comment. mourinho is a great coaches for most top clubs, not for every top club. because yesterday he showed the world he doesn't deserve to coach real madrid.

what a colossal failure. what an embarassment. that was an insult to madrid fans. and i'm sure the madridistas won't forgive him for that. spanish football fans can put up with a lot, but not with that. u can lose an important game, u can even be humiliated by your opponent 5-1..... but u cannot humiliate yourself like that.
if u get trashed by your opponent because u had a bad day or because your opponent was having a great day, or because u made a tactical mistake, or because your opponent is just better than u, there's no shame in that.

but when u're coaching real madrid, u cannot play a champions league semifinal like that. u absolutely can't.
u can't line up a stopper as a central midfielder.
u can't tell your players your strategy is "to defend for 70 minutes and then we put kakà on the pitch and try to score" (this is what josè told his players, according to ronaldo).
u cannot refuse to play football, because that's the one thing a spanish fan won't ever accept.
u cannot have your central midfielder (LOL! central midfielder my ass!) sent off and not react to that! what the hell are u doing on the bench if u don't react to that? Good Lord u can't be THAT tactically inept, it's impossible!! i've seen mourinho making the stupidest mistakes and changes during football matches, but this just beats them all!
this is not just poor match-reading. poor match-reading is making a wrong substitution.... or making the right substitution at the wrong time. this is just "not coaching at all". stop writing bullshits on a notepad (as if u were understanding what is going on on the pitch) and react to what u see on the pitch for fuck sake. stop pretending to be a coach and start acting like one. i seriously wonder how that can be possible. how can a professional with several years of experience make a mistake that not even an amateur would do.

but the worst thing of them all. what u really can't do, what a decent football fan should never accept is that post-match press conference. that was just pathetic. pathetic and sad. mourinho made a fool of himself twice yesterday. first on the pitch, when he proved (once again) his tactical inadequacy. and then in the press conference room, when he didn't even show the decency to admit his mistakes and apologise to his fans for that embarassing display. instead he hid himself behind the most pathetic and ridiculous of all excuses: a ref call.

let me tell u a thing about mourinho's italian experience. do u guys know why mourinho went on press silence for almost half a season last year? why he decided it was better not to talk at all with italian journalists? because he got to know italian journalists and realised how dangerous it is for a coach "LIKE HIM" to talk to them.
italian journalists would have NAILED mourinho yesterday. they would have exposed him for what he really is. they would have asked him directly "i'm sorry, are u saying this game was rigged?" they would have forced him to either come out and say it loud or to drop this ridiculous defensive strategy and get back to football. they wouldn't have let him get away with those unacceptable accusations... they wouldn't have allowed him to throw the stone and hide the hand like that.
u wanna escape from your responsabilities? u don't wanna talk about the match? about your tactical mistakes, about the fact that u played a CL semifinal AT HOME and yet completely refused to play any football at all? u don't wanna talk about that? u prefere to hide yourself behind the ref? okay then, but if u wanna go down this way, u gotta follow through. u can't just throw the stone and hide your hand behind a "porque?" that was a CL semifinal u just played.... at home..... and u embarassed yourself for 90 minutes with your tactical choices..... so u can't possibly expect we're gonna accept just some lame thinly veiled allusions.
u either go for it and say out loud that u believe that game was rigged, taking full responsability for your foolish words.
or u get back to football, analyse the match and all your mistakes and apologise to your fans for that humiliating show.

yesterday josè mourinho showed us why he will NEVER EVER be a legendary coach.... why he will never be one of the greatests coaches of his own era (never mind of all times). u can't judge a coach by his trophies and achievements.... by that logic an average coach like mancini should be considered a better coach than world class coaches like spalletti and prandelli (who have won almost nothing in their carreers).

u can only jugde a coach by his coaching. ferguson, capello, ancelotti, hiddink, lippi.... they are not the greatests coaches out there today because they won a lot. they are the greatests because of their coaching.
and mourinho won't ever be on their level, precisely because of his coaching. he might aswell win every trophy there is to win on this planet.... he will always remain nothing more than a great coach for a top club (wich is something deeply different from being a world class coach).

...i wrote a long post about all the merits and qualities of josè a few days ago.... i thought it was appropriate to write another one about his weaknesses and the reasons why he should not be considered a world class coach. and josè himself give me a chance to do just this yesterday, with that shameful display.

to all our madridistas friends in here. this is not meant to be an attack or a wind up. i just think u guys deserve better than this.
and as for mourinho, i gotta say i actually like him (except when he makes a complete fool of himself like yesterday), and through the years i got to figure out his coaching and i realised he was not that colossal fraud i thought he was.... but let's not get carried away, true world class coaches (like the ones i mentioned above in this post) belong to a completely different class. and mourinho won't ever reach that level. he just can't.
 
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Milanista said:
Well said Ben. I assume you watched Sconcerti go mental on sky sport 24. I'm in Padova now so i saw them destroy mou.
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yup, and for once i completely agree with him. i admire sconcerti a lot. he's an amazing journalist and he understands football and reads games to a level i will never achieve.....
but i often find myself disagreeing with him. i have huge respect for him, and i love to hear him talking about football, but sometimes i have different views.

.... but concerning yesterday's game, i'm 100% with him.... infact i'd love to just find a script of what he said yesterday (i can't really remember it all right now) and translate it all in here.... but that would take way too much time as he talked for about half an hour :P

actually now that i think about it, i'm surprised he didn't bitch about the fact mourinho did absolutely nothing when pepe was sent off. that's not like him..... the sconcerti i know would have nailed mourinho on that. oh well, maybe he just forgot about it..... afterall, there was a lot of stuff to bitch about in mourinho's performance yesterday. :P
 
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Yep, I said Mourinho will be know for breaking the hearts of his players after leaving the club :P Mourinho is good at taking the pressure off players and directing to himself. That Post interview w/ Ronaldo , Mourinho said play for the draw imo is an act to derail again any finger pointing to his players. Players love Mourinho for it :LOL:
 
I hope for once UEFA get a hold of Mourinho and tell him his personal conduct is detrimental and bringing the game into disrepute.

It was a cowardly display on the pitch which brought shame to the name of the club.

People like di Stefano rightly complained and then this creature has the nerve to come back at a legendary great when they were a club with manners and loved across Europe.

This doping insinuation as well is below the belt.

Will he decide to stay on another season or up sticks. Valdano for one will be pleased he leaves as will many club officials.

Perez ? Personally I cannot stand Mourinho at all. He is like the emperor with new clothes.
 
Because he used to be Porto's manager does not excuse him.

His insinuations are slanderous and without a shred of factual evidence to back them up.

It's just rather sad to see a grown man whining petulantly when things don't go the way he expects in his own little universe.
 
Well said Ben.

I'm still a fan of him but the truth is, he's a big crybaby and a sore loser. He can't admit when he's wrong and made mistakes.

And although usually I'm a fan of EFFECTIVE football and doing whatever it takes to get the result and don't concern myself with beautiful attacking display, etc. Because truth is I'd be a Mourinho type manager myself and ONLY Care for result and not a football romantic, It IS embarassing for Real Madrid and $400M of players to sit out Kaka, BEnzema, Higuain and massive talents like that and line up with Di Maria and Ronaldo as strikers and Pepe once again in midfield. This in contrast to Barca who plays midfielders like Mascherano and Busquets in center of defense.

Mourinho is jealous of Pep and Barca and is just too self-centered and egotistical to say, we were 2nd best and Barca are better than us. So he will whine after EVERY MATCH ALL SEASON long and it's ALWAYS something. 90% of times it seems refs are against Madrid. :LOL: and other 10% it's luck or something else... this guy's the biggest whiner ever! Just be a man and admit you made mistakes and it's your fault.
 
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And although usually I'm a fan of EFFECTIVE football and doing whatever it takes to get the result and don't concern myself with beautiful attacking display, etc. Because truth is I'd be a Mourinho type manager myself and ONLY Care for result and not a football romantic
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yep, i'm with u on that. but there's a treshold between effective football and defensive football.

for instance, i was sincerely pissed off for all the shit mourinho got from international press when he came to barcelona with inter last season, defending the first leg result.
he was playing in barcelona, against one of the best teams in the world, with 1 men less and with a 2 goals lead (inherited from the first leg). so he did exactly what he was supposed to do.

but this is a completely different situation. a 1st leg of a double matchup, in madrid, in front of madrid fans.... u just cannot display such a formation neither play with such a tactical approach.
and most of all, for once in his life, he should really show some class and grace in defeat.
 
I did find it strange because I felt this was the night to attack and then go and defend at the Nou Camp, it seems strange to try to go their needing to score?
 
It shows his limitations as a coach.

Other sides such as Rubin have gone to Barca and played attacking football and won.

When you have a plethora of talent at your disposal such as Higuain even if not fully fit and likewise Kaka and then proceed to employ a gameplan which effectively reduces di Maria, Ozil and Ronaldo to bystanders what sort of defensive effort is it ?

No side likes being pressurized and he made it easier for Barca to carry out their gameplan. They would have been pretty content for a draw in any case confident they would win at the Nou Camp.
 
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I did find it strange because I felt this was the night to attack and then go and defend at the Nou Camp, it seems strange to try to go their needing to score?
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well, in theory the most important thing in the home leg of a champions league double matchup is not to concede any goals to your opponent, so a careful approach is in order.

but that was much more than "careful". mou showed some serious lack of personality and trust in his players with that approach.
he acted as if he were coaching a midclass club, playing against a top club in an away fixture..... and that is just not acceptable for a club like real madrid.

it would be nice however to hear the point of view of some madridistas.... special one, what's your opinion on the match (btw TSO, i really hope u didn't take my last posts in here as an attack or a wind up, buddy..... u're one of the nicests guys in this forum and i would never deliberately try to piss u off :BEER: )
 
Hey Ben! Oh no no, I didn't take your post as an attack, I read it as an opinion, another good opinion with some great points. I will never intend you're posts as any kind of attack to anyone, you are too classy to do so. :)

About the game, surely it was a sore defeat for me and for all Madrid nation. Expectations were higher after Copa del Rey victory, for the first time in 3 years madridista thought Barça's hegemony days were close to an end. But then... well then this savvy sentence come - "the higher you fly the harder you fall". And so Madrid lost causing an earthquake in our hearts.

When you lost such a game you tend to blame the referee, that was my first reaction I must admit. It hurt and still was hurting the following day. However, when the turmoil in your mind and in your spirit goes down, you realise that, maybe the ref's bad decision is just part of a question and not the answer itself. Yes, Stark should not have taken that red card but, c'mon, Barça played brilliant (personally I don't like their style of play but that's another topic, it is more a matter of taste) and Messi is an artist (I'm still thinking Ronaldo is a more complete player although is undeniable that the Argie player is a truly magician showing is wonderful tricks around the World - that was poetic, wasn't it?). Madrid had a plan and according to Mou and Ronaldo, the plan failed because of Stark. Nevertheless if your plan went down it is obvious that you have to find a new one, like Mourinho did last year with Inter. I understand his reaction after the game and I agree with some of his points, especially the one about UEFA's censorship. And yes, he has reason in complain about Stark's bad decisions but you cannot make a role of mistakes your opponent has benefited in previous games creating a conspiracy to excuse on your defeat (which I did at a certain point here what I completely regret, my apologizes). This is not gentlemanship.

So for those who keep talking about refs: deal with it!
 
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About the game, surely it was a sore defeat for me and for all Madrid nation. Expectations were higher after Copa del Rey victory, for the first time in 3 years madridista thought Barça's hegemony days were close to an end. But then... well then this savvy sentence come - "the higher you fly the harder you fall".
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but u see, that's the point. your expectations weren't unappropriate at all. this real madrid team can beat barcelona, especially in a home fixture.
yeah, sure, barca still is a better team than madrid (at the moment), but this real madrid is a relatively "new creature", while barca is already a well oiled machine.

besides, also mourinho's inter wasn't as good as barca, and yet mourinho last year managed to beat the blaugrana (and also showed a much "gutsier" approach in the home leg in milano).

so, long story short, this real madrid can beat barcelona.... and so does mourinho (afterall he already proved that last season). that's where all my disappointment comes from. to me that match was a wasted chance.

anyway, if i know mourinho a bit (and i think i do), he's gonna show us a completely different madrid in the next leg. like i said in the champions league thread, i think the second leg is gonna be a completely different story, and barca will have to sweat much more than it did in the first leg :))
 
Zeem said:
Higuain looks ready and dangerous.
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I just hope he gets back to real match fitness and is rested over the summer because with the injury he suffered he really needs to build up his core strength.

This sort of injury can come back at any time if it is not allowed to fully heal.
 
Should be a better game hopefully, I wouldn't mind an early goal from Real to make it interesting.
 
You would like an early Real goal because you want them in the final!

Only joking! I think the key tomorrow will be ambition. If one of the two teams it's not ambitious it will go out. Real has to take some risks and we have to take profit of them. Not only with possession, but with shots on goal. To scare them if they leave open spaces.

It SHOULD be a much better match if both teams do what they should tomorrow. I only hope both teams focus on playing football and leave the fighting, moaning and cheating (BOTH teams) out. Oh, and anothe one from Messi would be just great. With some rocks. Shaken, not stirren.
 
I have a good feeling that tonight will be about football, I could be horribly wrong but if anything positive to take from the last game is both teams embarrassed themselves and both with try to keep incidents to minimum.
 
Ronaldo on the run

Goes past one player

Gets fouled by Pique and falls forward

Clips Mascherano with his back whilst completely out of control.

Mascherano goes down like his leg has been broken and the referee gives Barcelona a free kick.

I have honestly never seen such a terrible decision in my entire life.

Oh and Pedro just scored, that's it.
 
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