Real Madrid Thread

Beboq, in the third goal it was offside even before, when Di Maria tries to head the ball and forces the goalkeeper error, Di Maria is clearly offside. It's a double off-side...

I think Madrid would have won anyway, they were playing better and had the will and determination to score, as usual.

Specialone, the problem with Mourinho is that you don't go to celebrate your goal like an orangutan in front of your rival's bench. Putting his son as an excuse instead of asking for forgiveness is still worse. You have to be really stupid to do this, or really arrogant and unsportive.

Mourinho is a poor person. I don't think any good will, honorable person can like this man, really. He represents many of the wrong things we would like to have out of this sport. Winning is not everything in life. Most of the times, it's the least important thing.
 
Well, he deserved it for the last season, though one of the nominees put him to shame a month ago... Sorry, I had to put this pun here, I couldn't resist it! To me Mourinho is the best tactician in the world, but as an overall manager I prefer Guardiola obviously. So... everybody's happy!

Cheers!
 
drekkard said:
Well, he deserved it for the last season, though one of the nominees put him to shame a month ago... Sorry, I had to put this pun here, I couldn't resist it! To me Mourinho is the best tactician in the world, but as an overall manager I prefer Guardiola obviously. So... everybody's happy!

Cheers!
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this is just ridiculous, boy,it seems that Barça fans ignore that Pep is imo a puppet. He can't even make it to the top 10 if he wouldn't be the Barça coach.

Cheers!
 
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Das ist das! said:
this is just ridiculous, boy, only Barça fans ignore that Pep is a puppet. He can't even make it to the top 10 if he wouldn't be the Barça coach.

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Pep took the same team that had 2 years without titles, and had ended 18 points behind Real Madrid...and made it win 6 titles in a year with the only addition of Alves.
 
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Every match I watch of Real Madrid, I'm convinced more & more that CRISTIANO RONALDO is the best player in the GALAXY ..
If just Madrid win a single title, RONALDO will be player of the year 2011 ..

he does everything, scores by every manner, from every place ..

he's worth 1454673525766969 millions euro ..
 
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Pep took the same team that had 2 years without titles, and had ended 18 points behind Real Madrid...and made it win 6 titles in a year with the only addition of Alves. You're the only puppet here, I think.
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But lets be honest here. If someone like Arsene Wenger was in charge at Barca with the quality of players you have, he'd have done just as well IMO.
I dont mean that as an offence at Wenger or anyone, but we're kinda underestimating (as hard as that is to believe lol) just how ridiculously good some of their players are.
When was the last time we saw a FIFA World Player of the Year or a Ballon d'Or dominated by one team? 1989 as far as I know.
 
But you could say the same about Mourinho. He's been trainig great players for a long time. In Madrid he has 400 M€ invested in signings, with possibly some of the best players in the world. Yet he lost 5-0 to Pep.

I mean, Guardiola must have some very good qualities when, I repeat, with the same team that Rijkaard left he won 6 titles in a row.
 
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RuneEdge said:
But lets be honest here. If someone like Arsene Wenger was in charge at Barca with the quality of players you have, he'd have done just as well IMO.
I dont mean that as an offence at Wenger or anyone, but we're kinda underestimating (as hard as that is to believe lol) just how ridiculously good some of their players are.
When was the last time we saw a FIFA World Player of the Year or a Ballon d'Or dominated by one team? 1989 as far as I know.
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Completely disagree Rune, Guardiola knew he had some of the most talented players on the ball but he's got them to be the best off the ball and even if it seems an obvious thing to do it needs a certain character to get these players working that hard . Arsenal are pretty crap off the ball because Wenger focuses to much how his team play on it.
 
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drekkard said:
But you could say the same about Mourinho. He's been trainig great players for a long time. In Madrid he has 400 M€ invested in signings, with possibly some of the best players in the world. Yet he lost 5-0 to Pep.
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Remember: Mourinho won the 2002/2003 UEFA Cup and the 2003/2004 UEFA Champions League with FC Porto signing players from União de Leiria and Vitória de Setúbal.

Guardiola is a fantastic coach but I would like to see him at Porto or Benfica having an equal success.
 
drekkard said:
But you could say the same about Mourinho. He's been trainig great players for a long time. In Madrid he has 400 M€ invested in signings, with possibly some of the best players in the world. Yet he lost 5-0 to Pep.
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You'd think that about Mourinho at first but look at Chelsea and Inter. There arent the team they used to be since Mourinho left. Both teams have pretty much the same players since his time there too. So Jose has pretty much proven that its not the players who're behind all the success.

Now as for Barca, I say what I said because you look at the Barca team and then look at how successful the Spanish team was, surely you'd say its mostly down to the quality of the players and not the coach. Two team, two managers, both had the pretty much the same players and the same level of success. There's no coincidence there.
Maybe until Guardiola proves himself elsewhere, I wont accept it. But as of right now, he hasnt really proved much to me.0
 
Of course Mourinho was great with Porto, though with all respect, that year the big teams weren't so big and football was a lot more "democratic" than it is right now. They faced Deportivo and Monaco in the last 2 rounds. They were great teams, they played very well and Porto had Deco, but differences were not as they are now. It is much much harder nowadays for an underdog to reach the finals. I really think Guardiola could manage to win a CL as well at that time with any of those teams. But who cares, that's fiction. Reality is he's the best manager we've ever had, everybody is happy with him and everyday our fanbase grows more and more.

Mourinho, after Porto, he has had practically no limit to sign players, so I don't see what's so special about him compared to the squad Guardiola has. As I said, I doubt Mourinho would have made stars out of players like Busquets and Pedro, he would have signed Khedira and Di Maria instead. It's two different styles. Some like one, some like the other one, but if you think Guardiola is simply a lucky man ask yourself why on earth his team has an average of 70% possession in the league, even against Mourinho, with the same players that Rijkaard had.

About the national team, Del Bosque is a brilliant Manager as well, it's not only the players. Del Bosque won everything with Real Madrid, even using players from the youth team! I think that most of Madrid fans would prefer Del Bosque in the bench right now. I admire him for his talent and also becuase of his human values. That man has all the good values you want in a manager, except being cool (that's why florentino sacked him...).
 
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I think the collapses are more to do with Mourinho building a side for success in the short term, before he jumps ship to another club, rather than the Ferguson/Wenger method of mostly buying younger player, as well as attempting to bring some through the youth system in an attempt to create a period of sustained success.
 
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In Madrid he has 400 M€ invested in signings, with possibly some of the best players in the world. Yet he lost 5-0 to Pep.
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I think I'll wait for the away game to judge that. Madrid is still a new team with 5/6 new starters while Barcelona is a 2 year old team. Remember his Inter side put in one hell of a fight in the CL.

And about Rijkaard, he had a very good run at Barcelona. The team he had was not as good as the one Guardiola has now and were still a very bog force in 2004-2006 period. Half of them were the same players(Puyol,Xavi,Valdes,younger Iniesta) but then there were Oleguer,Guily,Thiago Motta,Gio, and Marquez playing as starters. They were very good but compared to Alves,Iniesta,Messi,Pique, and Abidal they fell short, surely not taking into account what the magician Ronaldinho did. It's just that they simply needed to change the coach to bring a new mentality and Pep has been awesome.

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I think Mourinho beats Pep in terms of mental and motivational skills. His teams would all die for him, then they all collapse when he leaves.
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Exactly. This bond is still not there with Real players. And did you hear Sneijder at the awards? He would seriously take a bullet for Mourinho.
 
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I can totally see that happen. :D

As for Pep Guardiola, he's amazing! Guy's great though I think he's very much suited to Barca and so should stay (and club should keep him) for a looooong time.

I have a feeling he'll end up at Italy at some point though. Perhaps Roma, etc.
 
PLF said:
I can totally see that happen. :D

As for Pep Guardiola, he's amazing! Guy's great though I think he's very much suited to Barca and so should stay (and club should keep him) for a looooong time.
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yeah, pep just belongs to barcelona. it would be great if his reign in barca would be "ferguson-esque". i'd love to see him spending his entire carreer in barcelona.

from a professional point of view, although coaching this barca side means dealing with some of the finest football players in the world... that doesn't necessarily means it's easy to have them playing the finest football in the world...... as the rijkaard experience proved (and as drekkard correctly remarked). this barca team as "pep guardiola" written all over and his imprint is more than evident.

from a human point of view, this man is quite simply the classiest person in the whole football business. take the classiest persons in football... ancelotti, maldini, ranieri, leonardo, del piero, spalletti, baggio.... pep is even classier, more modest, and nicer than all of em.

mazzone, baggio, maldini, totti, bergomi, sacchi, all very different characters... all of them had a chance to work with him..... and all of them defined him as the nicest person they ever met. mazzone once said "u wanna have an idea of what a nice human being pep is? well let's put it this way... Ghandi is a "tamarro" compared to him"
for those who don't know italian, the closest translation for "tamarro" is "chav" :))
 
Its almost incredible when you compare him to Mourinho. Literally the complete opposite, class, humbleness, modesty, even tactical approach.
 
I think Guardiola will coach an italian team sooner or later. He loved his experience in italy, he admires a lot of people he met there. And he always talks very fondly of Brescia, as if he was in debt with them.

In the tactical department, Mourinho may win a lot, but it's not the type of football I like, based in raw power, hard tackling deffense, intensity and counterattack. They do it very well, really, it's just that I prefer domination through possession and the passing game. Different tastes.

Real was lucky yesterday in the cup match against "Pupas" atlético. A goal in the 90 minute after some embarrasing moments in deffense by atletico let them go with an undeserved 3-1 that makes them quite easy to go through. Will we have a Madrd-Barça in the cup final? It's probable!
 
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