sorry if im abit off-topic. this is actually my first post, if a sound mad or angry, im not, its just my english is not very good.
intresting, comparing PES2011 to the real life.
i have played this game for almost 3-4 months PC and ps3.
finished 3 seasons. and my answer is PES2011 is nothing like real life.
People keep saying this game is better than PES5. but this is 100% wrong.
how is it better? lets see..
AI? PES5 AI is 10xtimes better than PES2011. no questions about that.
I've been playing quite a lot of WE9 again and i haven't changed my opinion, infact I'm noticing some of PES 2011 flaws in the game
I scored a goal and had a few chances where the AI just didn't seem interested in the ball and ran away from it even, had a strange thing when the Ai was through on goal and passed backwards
on top player mind you!
In general the AI is very predictable and there's a big flaw I noticed in the defensive AI, if the full back gets caught out up field it's very easy to exploit the space behind and score because the center backs sit unrealistically deep. This isn't the case of PES 2011.
The player runs in PES 2011 which everyone complains about are nowhere near as bad as in WE9, With PES 2011 you have the manual pass to put ball in space for players to run onto, but with the rigidness in WE9 it’s annoying you prevented from trying certain passes because of the lack of freedom.
player individuality?
in PES2011 i have only noticed CR, messi and couple of good driblers like arshaven. but the rest all look the same, play the same, shoot the same.On the other hand in PES5, players plays so different, you can tell this guy is pirlo from his accuracy of shooting, you can even tell the difference btw two good driblers
like arshaven and messi. but can you in PES 2011? absolutly not.
Pirlo because of accuracy of shooting???
Well anyway, the player individuality in PES 2011 is miles ahead of any game, Every player runs differently and dribbles with the ball different due to their stats with dribble accuracy, technique and foot frequency generating how they dribble. On WE9 players are different but it’s not as extreme.
On PES 2011 there’s players I simply do not touch the sprint button with (xavi) because there’s no point, they are all about passing, where as on WE9 I been able to beat players with pretty much anyone using the fake shot, most player can run to an extent.
I could go on but it helps if you get to full grips with the dribbling system which I’ll explain later
teams indiviuality?
players like walcout, eto who are so fast that is so hard to catch up with are broken. even the weekiest asian team defender can catch up to them. so teams who depend on fast players for counter attacks are useless.
Sorry mate this is 100% wrong, i mean completely false, I’ll prove it!
Walcott can't break away from a defender? your not using R1+R2 or tapping the R1 button.
YouTube - Rubber banding? Tap R1 to stay ahead!
There.. I'm doing a goal comp and there's one where Krasic just leaves the defence from the halfway line for dead if you want more. it's just a lot harder to break away from defenders in PES 2011, that's all!
. while on PES5/WE every team plays like in real life. this is a prove that PES5/WE9 are more realistic.
Sorry but this absolutely is 1000% wrong, every team in WE9 has this predictable setup really, you attack, they drop very deep and their two center backs stand in the 6 yard box for some reason. The AI attacking wise is mostly predicable but do vary with the individuality to an extent but they don't play like their real life counterparts!
To show just how far ahead PES 2011 is tactically, look at this Barca formation i and another created.
Give this to barca and play against them in a 15 mintue or more match. They play quite scarily how they do in real life. You will not have hardly any of the ball, they keep it, pass you to death and when you get tit they swarm on you, they play a crazy high line which compresses you play. Just what they do in real life.
I tried to give Barca these tactics in WE9 and they just DON'T keep the ball, it's easy to dominate them and all they do is score the odd cheap goal against the run of play.
The tactics aren't NOWHERE NEAR, NO EVEN CLOSE to being as deep as PES 2011. Again, it's not WE9's fault, just PS2 vs PS3 that all
atmosphere?
well PES2011's has no atmosphere at all. no question about that.
It’s crap, I know
goals?
no statisfaction when scoring in PES2011, it became so limited like FIFA.
while on PES5 in 2 games you can do wonders that you can never do in PES2011.
? Not really a point, it’s just your opinion.
freedom?
well this is the only strong point in PES2011... but incase you guys forgot, PES5 is all about Timing. if you got the timing right for thorugh balls, lofted through balls, long pass etc. you have freedom, if your not good at timing well sorry go play fifa
which has more freedom than PES2011 if you prefer freedom.
WE9 is very restricted compared to PES 2011, after a few games going back to it, not being able to put balls into space, it's why the game is pretty hard. it's how the game is balanced to be which i don't mind since it's still very fun and this is a game from back in 2005/06
PES2011 is absolutly not better than PES5/WE9
ye it looks like real life, but its plays nothing like the real life. not to mention half of my goals are own goals -_-
so i think we need to admit that PES2011 is still far from comparing it to real Football.
if in PES2012 konami fixed the problems i mentioned above, it will be an amazing game and for sure it will beat PES5/WE9...
You didn’t really mention the real problems which is crap refs because of the shit player collisions, jerky animation transition and not enough animations along with a few AI hiccups here and there. Thing is, for me PES 2011 strong points are that good they blow every other game away!
well we have lots of time till that day to come, and my advise to you people is to play WE9LE.
its an improved Version of PES5, its btw 5 and 6, and its absolutly the best Winning eleven title i have ever played interms of gameplay, player movments are just so realistic, passing/shooting. if you got the timing rights, you will enjoy your own freedom. Player AI are Superb. defence and attack is ballanced. italian/german teams have a damn great defence that takes skill to pass them.
I’m playing it now, its fun, not as realistic as PES 2011 but very balanced and solid. Everything fits together within the game and it feels complete where as PES 2011 is not the finished article and is work in progress. I dunno, I’m disappointed with the Ai on the game atm maybe because I’m used to PES 2011, WE9 where the center backs sit in the 6 yard box and defend as if it’s the last minute all the time, strange attacks from the AI who just don’t hold onto the ball enough
Played online and again it's fun but very automated with the AI off the ball which is annoying, also again it's a bit to easy to geta run on goal if a full back gets caught up field.
play WE9LE for couple of days. ye you will get frastrated in the first 3-4 matchs especially if you are coming back from PES2011 or fifa. i was hella frastrated, but when i got used to it again. Man what a relief. BEST FOOTBALL GAME EVER!!
I not really frustrated when playing We9, I just accept it doesn’t give you the same freedom of PES 2011 and it’s very rigid! Still fun though.
