Rangers Thread

[ClassicD]

Mabe it was a bad choice of words. yeh he's a diver due to the time he dived in that game. what i was trying to say (perhaps poorly) was that he aint a dirty diver unlike other players on the other side of glasgow who will remain nameless

Sorry, a "dirty diver"? There are varying degrees of it now? The fact is Michael Mols dived, he went down as a result of him choosing to go down, not because he had no choice in the matter (i.e. he was fouled).

There are people who dive and people who make fouls look worse than they are, there's a difference.

Dirty Diver, lol!

 

[Anonymous]

I think they should watch over the incidents again and if they find out a player has dived, they should recieve a three match ban. Surely this would work.

 

[FS2003]

Mols was fouled though so he had every right to go down, Diving is when you are not fouled and try and con the ref, as done so ofter by Larsson, Sutton and Petrov

 

[ripkord]

i wouldnt put larsson in the same league at petrov, infact i really like larsson he does his best to stay up most of the time, I think mols is pretty much the same, i know all players dive, its pretty common, sadly.

I'm not getting my hopes up at all for rangers, I know its unfair to write them off, but im just being realistic. If you honestly think they can go the distance then I admire your faith in your team, but I lack faith. *cue someone saying because im a hun* lol ....

Its good to have both teams in europe, we should be able to look at the bigger picture here, every time a result goes rangers/celtics way,
the better it is for scottish football,
the more chance scottish teams get better players,
the better the league gets,
the more chance we get into the champions league again....

and so on....

 

[ClassicD]

Its good to have both teams in europe, we should be able to look at the bigger picture here, every time a result goes rangers/celtics way,
the better it is for scottish football,
the more chance scottish teams get better players,
the better the league gets,
the more chance we get into the champions league again....

and so on....

Agreed, but it's hard enough convincing a large number of numbskulls on either side of the OF's support of this, nevermind the rest of Scottish football's fans who want to see them fail (cue Zico, diddy that he is).

And it's not up for debate whether or not Mols dived, he was tugged (not enough to go down but that's not the issue), ran a yard or 10, then fell when no one was touching him - dived. And I agree about Larsson, he's one who 'makes the most' of challenges, he doesn't dive. Jumping over a potentially career-ending challenge is different too, as long as you don't act as if you were actually hit. Petrov goes down too easy, he looks for fouls more than I like to see players do, but then the big boys, they do this all over Europe. It don't look like it's gonna be stamped out, in fact it's more evident than ever in the big leagues and tourneys now.

 

[FS2003]

Personally I hope Celtic get pumped regardless of who they are playing, good for Scottish football my arse!!

 

[ClassicD]

I agree, I'm glad they are both THERE, but now they are I want to see Rangers hammered as FS does Celtic. I'm still glad they are both there to be hammered tho.

 

[FS2003]

I agree, I'm glad they are both THERE, but now they are I want to see Rangers hammered as FS does Celtic. I'm still glad they are both there to be hammered tho.

Yep cant wait till the carpark lynch mob is baying for MON's head after your pumped in the CL, its gonna be great! You should bring back Jock Brown :mrgreen:

 

[ripkord]

Call me abnormal but I hope celtic do well, the only team i would like to see beating celtic in the champions league is rangers. The other teams arent scottish, and therefore i hope the scottish teams pump them.

scotland first

club team second.

 

[fd1972uk]

Nah FS, I bet you the Celtic fans will be baying for the boards blood, not MO's. It's a fact that MO whilst being unhappy that no money is available, is actually rubbing his hands in glee about the cash situation, as if it all goes pear-shaped he can just turn around and say his hands where tied..........no-one, including the media and fans can deny it. Also gives him ample reason for leaving Celtic.



FD

 

[FS2003]

Nah FS, I bet you the Celtic fans will be baying for the boards blood, not MO's. It's a fact that MO whilst being unhappy that no money is available, is actually rubbing his hands in glee about the cash situation, as if it all goes pear-shaped he can just turn around and say his hands where tied..........no-one, including the media and fans can deny it. Also gives him ample reason for leaving Celtic.



FD

Yeah your right and its sure to happen soon, bet you feel well ripped off again :mrgreen:

 

[FeverNova84]

Mabe it was a bad choice of words. yeh he's a diver due to the time he dived in that game. what i was trying to say (perhaps poorly) was that he aint a dirty diver unlike other players on the other side of glasgow who will remain nameless

Sorry, a "dirty diver"? There are varying degrees of it now? The fact is Michael Mols dived, he went down as a result of him choosing to go down, not because he had no choice in the matter (i.e. he was fouled).

There are people who dive and people who make fouls look worse than they are, there's a difference.

Dirty Diver, lol!

Yeh there is a difference. theres the ppl who look to get fouled and theres the people in Mols situation that wen its clear ur getting tugged u go down to benefit the team. He might get praised for staying on his feet but where does that get rangers? ahem, nowhere.

Its the same way u say if a deflection or an own goal, u say 'they all count' its the same as this, u'll take them any way they go in so that ur team win the game.

Im not condoning diving, im just fighting his corner and saying that he doesnt play for the dive, he saw the chance to put rangers ahead and he did it......

 

[ClassicD]

Yeh there is a difference. theres the ppl who look to get fouled and theres the people in Mols situation that wen its clear ur getting tugged u go down to benefit the team. He might get praised for staying on his feet but where does that get rangers? ahem, nowhere.

These are one in the same, whether you look to get fouled or whether you are just fouled without looking for it, doesn't matter - if you're fouled it's a foul.

I am not saying Mols wasn't fouled, he was, and your arguement would have more substance if he'd actually went down when this happened (even though I disagree with your view that it's ok to go down if any contact is made, even if not enough to make you fall).

The bottom line is, he stayed on his feet when contact was made, ran a few yards, then fell (dive). Not to mention the fact the contact wasn't heavy enough to make him fall (dive), and the player fouling's arm was holding him in a way which would not have resulted in Mols falling foward (dive).

Im not condoning diving

Yes you are when you say "Its the same way u say if a deflection or an own goal, u say 'they all count' its the same as this, u'll take them any way they go in so that ur team win the game." - you'll take anything you're given to win the game. Sure we all want to win and I'm sure both sets of fans turn a blind eye to things that should have gone against their team but didn't, but I wouldn't be best pleased if my team didn't care about morals and did anything they could to win, legal or not.

Michael Mols dived, plain and simple.

 

[Gnairn3]

Shocking.Yea you Glasgow Rangers .My brother qued up at 8am for champ league tickets and got none.Some huns were coming out with 20 tickets.Rangers should have offered 2 to each fan so alot more fans got to see the match.

 

[FeverNova84]

i dont say anywhere its ok to dive. im simply saying it takes a special person with high morals not to go down in that situation and all i said was it wasnt like him to dive. somehow it managed to get thrown into a big debate that shouldnt hav been. eather im explaining wat i think very badly or u my friend are a few sannies short of a picnic, i dont know.

 

[ClassicD]

lol, probably both .

IMO Mols didn't do what you think he did, he didn't just feel contact and go down, he felt contact, ran a few yards, then went down - that's a bit different m8.

Anyway he always dives, remember against us in the CIS Cup Final last year he went down like a sack of totties against Bobo and then lay on the ground pretending to be in agony, then talking to the ref and looking up at Bobo while still lying on the ground! .

 

[ClassicD]

http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/scotland/3080870.stm

"He also insisted that there was no debt crisis at Ibrox."

Oh dear.

 

[FS2003]

http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/scotland/3080870.stm

"He also insisted that there was no debt crisis at Ibrox."

Oh dear.

Well there is no crisis as you can see we reduced outgoings by £10 million and made £5 million more, add in the CL money and Ferguson sale, wages we are saving on Amo, Numan and co and we should have reduced our outgoings by quite a lot this year and increased our income.

Nobody said it was an overnight job tackling the debt, it was always going to be a 5 year plan and we are on course for that, least we are tacking the problem unlike Celtic did when they so nearly went to the wall.

 

[ClassicD]

£68m in debt and it's not a crisis, how much sillier can a comment get? A five year plan? You aim to make a profit of £68m over 5 years? This would require consistant CL football, while at the same time buying players on the cheap as you're in so much debt. I don't think Rangers will make a yearly profit of £13.6m somehow :mrgreen: .

Celtic never let themselves get into the state you are in now though, football is vastly different nowadays with regards to debt (see Rangers being £68m (allegedly, fook knows the real figure) in the red, yet being able to bring players in - wouldn't have been possible back then, no one would have been brought in as banks wouldn't have allowed it).

You have no grounding for slating the finances of Celtic while your club lies in ruins. It's a disgrace and an embarrassment to Scottish football, prime example of why our country is a laughing stock down around Europe - one of it's biggest clubs is over 100,000,000 Euro in debt.

 

[FS2003]

Errr if it was a crisis then plenty of rich Gers fans would come to the aid of the club, if it was a crisis we would not be still emplying people and looking to strenghten the squad, fact is we are reducing the outgoings and increasing our income, so where do you see the problem?

Are all the big names in Europe not in debt like? Least we aint ever been down to the last hour of our existance before being bought by a Canadian out to make a buck, as the song goes, if you know your history LOL

pot calling kettle again, mind you when you were so close to going down your greatest fans in the world stayed away and helped take the club down LOL

 

[ClassicD]

"Errr if it was a crisis then plenty of rich Gers fans would come to the aid of the club,"

LOL! Like who? Davie Dodds?! Pull your head outta your arse, who's gonna pump that amount of cash into an SPL club? They're sure to get it back! :roll: :mrgreen:

"if it was a crisis we would not be still emplying people and looking to strenghten the squad, fact is we are reducing the outgoings and increasing our income, so where do you see the problem?"

As I said - the situation regarding bank loans is very different to what it was back then, if I recall Celtic were something like £2m odd in debt when they were threatened with being shut down. You're not going to sell everyone and employ no-one, there'd be no club then, instead you have to employ players for the next fook knows how many years on pennies for wages, and hope it's good enough to get you to the CL group stage every year. In other words your squad gets worse every year till the debt's in a better state - crisis.

"Are all the big names in Europe not in debt like? Least we aint ever been down to the last hour of our existance before being bought by a Canadian out to make a buck, as the song goes, if you know your history LOL

pot calling kettle again, mind you when you were so close to going down your greatest fans in the world stayed away and helped take the club down LOL"

Yes they are, shame you're not a big-name though, so you can't rely on the money these teams will make from TV deals and CL football. Yes we were down that far, long time ago now, and you're in a terrible state compared to us. If you want to talk about the past, we won the European Cup in 1967 and have appeared in 2 other European finals since (European in 70 and UEFA in 03), pretty pointless going that far back if you ask me.

And we didn't take the club down, staying away forced the board to relieve command, if we'd continued pumping money into the club it would have went to the wall such was the board's incompetence. They saved the club, along with a wee Canadian out to make a buck, who gave us a 60,000 seater stadium and prevented 10 in a row by appointing Wim Jansen.

And btw, just found out that £68m INCLUDES the £18m made from this season's season-ticket sales, which are meant to be added on at the end of the season, like Celtic's will be. £86m then. No crisis but...

:mrgreen:

 

[FS2003]

Yes they are, shame you're not a big-name though

It's a disgrace and an embarrassment to Scottish football, prime example of why our country is a laughing stock down around Europe - one of it's biggest clubs is over 100,000,000 Euro in debt.

So we are a disgrace and making Scotland the laughing stock of Europe but now you say we aint a big name in Europe, cant quite work that one out then, how does that work?

Fact is we are tackling the debt, making active changes to the wage structure and finances of the club, a crisis would be being unable to stop the losses and that is not what is happening, get over it Danny, you cant handle it that despite us being in a crisis LOL we can still do your lot over for the treble and you still cant loosen your purse strings at your PLC either LOL, Least Rangers fans, and the management are under no illusions as you lot are, I remember you bleeting on all close season about how the UEFA run made your season a success as it would bring in so many players for this year, now it has failed to happen u look the fool and cant take it.

We have no money, you have no money, bleeting on about us having more debt than you is playground stuff, we are the champions and we are 2 points ahead of you, thats all that matters :mrgreen:

 

[ClassicD]

So we are a disgrace and making Scotland the laughing stock of Europe but now you say we aint a big name in Europe, cant quite work that one out then, how does that work?

Er, you're not a big name in Europe (i.e. you don't compete for any Euro trophies or get far in their comps), but you're a big name in Scotland, thus people trying to gauge the standard of Scottish football look at their top clubs - that's pretty simple :eh:.

Fact is we are tackling the debt, making active changes to the wage structure and finances of the club, a crisis would be being unable to stop the losses and that is not what is happening

Your turnover rose by £5m, this despite including last season and this season's season-ticket sales in the accounts, no, no crisis whatsoever, loads of profit...

get over it Danny, you cant handle it that despite us being in a crisis LOL we can still do your lot over for the treble and you still cant loosen your purse strings at your PLC either LOL, Least Rangers fans, and the management are under no illusions as you lot are, I remember you bleeting on all close season about how the UEFA run made your season a success as it would bring in so many players for this year, now it has failed to happen u look the fool and cant take it.

Under no illusions? John McClelland - "It's not a crisis" .

Let's add some more, "we like being in debt, it's cool!", "Egil Ostenstad will be the top scorer in the Champions' League", and finally, "Tore Andre Flo just needs time to settle, he's a great striker!"

I said we'd bring players in, I was wrong, but evidently so was the entire support, no one could forsee the numpties on the board at work.

We have no money, you have no money, bleeting on about us having more debt than you is playground stuff, we are the champions and we are 2 points ahead of you, thats all that matters

You're right, come May that is all that matters, if you limit yourself to the SPL. Personally I've more interest in Europe, though I'd still like to win the diddy league as well. Should be no probs this year what with you having to play the same number of games and the playing field being even, a victim of our own success is what we were last year.

 

[FS2003]

A victim of being shite was your problem last year, still coming out with the lame excuses Danny, get over it you sound like a bitter and twisted loser who cant accept you were not good enough to win a diddy league or either of the diddy cups and got horsed by a Div 1 team LOL fantastic!!

We increased turnover and reduced expenditure, any fool can see that doing that is going to reduce debt and bring the finances back onto the right track, common sense obviously escapes you when your frothing at the mouth and spewing bile time and time again, be a good little timothy and go buy the lastest Celtic DVD, support your team and line the pockets of your shareholders LOL

fleeced again

 

[ClassicD]

A victim of being shite was your problem last year, still coming out with the lame excuses Danny, get over it you sound like a bitter and twisted loser who cant accept you were not good enough to win a diddy league or either of the diddy cups and got horsed by a Div 1 team LOL fantastic!!

Far from it, I said we weren't good enough to cope with Europe and the SPL at the same time, I also said Rangers were the best team in the SPL over the season. The reason we weren't was because of Europe, again, pretty simple, you should try reading.

We increased turnover and reduced expenditure, any fool can see that doing that is going to reduce debt and bring the finances back onto the right track, common sense obviously escapes you when your frothing at the mouth and spewing bile time and time again, be a good little timothy and go buy the lastest Celtic DVD, support your team and line the pockets of your shareholders LOL

Lol you idiot not you didn't, you used 2 season's worth of season-ticket sales in one annual report, you didn't increase turnover at all, which will be bloody shown next year when you can't use this season's season-ticket sales due to using them the previous year! Common sense is the issue alright .

£86m in debt - no crisis .

 

[FS2003]

it includes the season ticket sales as they were in our financial year, ya twit!! these figures cant be messed around with to hide the facts as they are all above board and have to be proven, so common sense please.

 

[ClassicD]

From the BBC...

"Rangers Football Club's debt has increased to £68m - the highest figure in the club's history.
The figure is an increase of almost £16m from last year.

Chairman John McClelland said the figures showed that the club's finances were moving in the right direction."

 

[FS2003]

Broken record

 

[ripkord]

I know, stop paying 31 year olds 20,000 quid a week. that might help :roll:

 

[mabosser]

guys don't want to get involved in meaningless bickering but a debt of this size will require some managing, also are celtic not meant to be around 20 million in debt? sad inditement on the state of scottish football. does that make my club saints rich then, as we are in the black!