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O proximo ano nunca mais começa para o benfica... está a demorar uma eternidade.
 
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The way I see it, next year might already be doomed.
If Benfica get's the 4th place, they miss the CL and miss alot of money.
LFV great management is buying players without having a coach.
Some of the current players will have to be sold and probably won't earn benfica much money.

Adu is being burned at Benfica. A player that clearly has quality.
Leo probably will leave. Old but still a great left back.
Maxi Pereira, a waste of money.
Miss Nuno Gomes, I don't think there is much to say about "her".
Rui Costa will retire. Loosing the only one that "plays".

So much more. Altough I believe that with a competent coach the team will be able to put up a fight next year, but will still lack something to go all the way.



Sporting, If they loose Veloso or Moutinho, they are in serious trouble. They lack money to acquire quality players.
Purovic. I'm still deciding if he his a football player.
Gladstone, showed little to be called anything more than average.



Oh well, alot work to be done "na segunda circular" to be able to fight in equal with Porto.


Porto on the other hand is a mistery.
I don't know who will leave. I hope that If we really need to sell, I hope it's quaresma leaving, but it seems Bosingwa is on his way out to one of the sharks in europe.
Above all Lucho must stay.

Porto needs to acquire a CB (done - Rolando), a quality left back, and call back Ibson.
 
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The way I see it, next year might already be doomed.
If Benfica get's the 4th place, they miss the CL and miss alot of money.
LFV great management is buying players without having a coach.
Some of the current players will have to be sold and probably won't earn benfica much money.

Adu is being burned at Benfica. A player that clearly has quality.
Leo probably will leave. Old but still a great left back.
Maxi Pereira, a waste of money.
Miss Nuno Gomes, I don't think there is much to say about "her".
Rui Costa will retire. Loosing the only one that "plays".

So much more. Altough I believe that with a competent coach the team will be able to put up a fight next year, but will still lack something to go all the way.



Sporting, If they loose Veloso or Moutinho, they are in serious trouble. They lack money to acquire quality players.
Purovic. I'm still deciding if he his a football player.
Gladstone, showed little to be called anything more than average.




Oh well, alot work to be done "na segunda circular" to be able to fight in equal with Porto.


Porto on the other hand is a mistery.
I don't know who will leave. I hope that If we really need to sell, I hope it's quaresma leaving, but it seems Bosingwa is on his way out to one of the sharks in europe.
Above all Lucho must stay.

Porto needs to acquire a CB (done - Rolando), a quality left back, and call back Ibson.

As far has i read on the newspaper (Record), our direction will not negotiate Veloso, Moutinho, Liedson and Polga, because we are a litle "healthier" financially and we dont have the same need to sell players.( I even heard that we will have 15 million euros to spend )...

Purovic its not bad as everybody says..
If we play in 4-3-3 with good wingers he can score more goals...

As for Gladstone,i agree with you, he is a medium quality centre back, not worthy of the 3 million euros that Cruzeiro ask...
 
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As far has i read on the newspaper (Record), our direction will not negotiate Veloso, Moutinho, Liedson and Polga

Said it about Cristiano Ronaldo, Nani, etc.

We are a litle "healthier" financially and we dont have the same need to sell players.( I even heard that we will have 15 million euros to spend )...

Bullshits!

Your president is getting similar to Vieira.
 
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Said it about Cristiano Ronaldo, Nani, etc.



Bullshits!

Your president is getting similar to Vieira.

Pinto da Costa guaranted that Pepe wasn't for sale, but when RM slapped a 30M€ check... well one can't refuse that money.

So one knows. If a club is willing to spend... nothing will stop them. Unless the player itself, and we know that's not happening.


About Sporting's president, he claimed that they had a new form of management that didn't need to sell players. So yes, he his the same as LFV, cause that's bullshit. Portuguese clubs need to sell to survive.
 
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The league has remove 6 points this year from FC Porto, and suspended Porto's president Pinto da Costa for 2 years. The club has also been fined for 150.000 Euros.

Boavista, has been relegated, and the former president, João Loureiro been suspended for 4 years

União de Leiria's president has been suspended for one year.

Referee Augusto Duarte has been suspended for 6 years

All this due to corruption. The clubs will appeal, which means that any suspension or loss of points will only be for next season.

Oh well not too upset. Next year, If Porto starts the league with 6 points less it will just make the league victory feel alot better. :)

Stay tuned for updates.
 
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Just a shame...25 years of corruption resumed to 6 points...

And this is our country.
 
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Just a shame...25 years of corruption resumed to 6 points...

And this is our country.

Typical Benfica fan. Using this to cover your failings

First of all, the games used in this process are from the season 03/04. Yeah that's right 03/04. We ONLY won the champions league that year! A fluke? Look at the year before, a UEFA CUP.
Wait, who was the coach? oh I know, Mourinho, yah you know that crap coach that wins millions and fooled the entire world in making them think he was world class.

Let's look at a few more.Let's take a look at Benfica. Let's not forget the "crap" team in the early 90' that was destroyed by Manuel Damasio. Let's not forget Vale e Azevedo glorious management, so glorious that he even got himself a yatch at the clubs expense, and spent a few years in jail. Surely that as nothing to do with the 17 years and that marvelous ONE title you had.

I find of extremely low level seeing people that i've seen countlesss times admitting the Porto's play was superior suddenly now think that Benfica/Sporting were the ones that show superior play. But hell who cares, we're 20 points ahead this year, surelly this title as been acquired trhough less honest ways.


btw, this process is far from over. This will still go to the fedaration, then probably to UEFA, then most likely in criminal courts.

oh and let's not forget that the criminal process is still ongoing.

oh well enough of this.


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FCPorto will not appeal, but the president of the club, Pinto da Costa, will appeal the punishment on him. Good move.
I have to admit that looking this with a clear head it is the best thing to do, since with 20 points lead we have loosing 6 points won't change a thing, although it looks bad to the image of the club. But since Pinto da Costa has appealed, things will be far from over, and it won't affect the club. I bet the shareholders put some pressure on him to noo appeal, because it's a sound business plan.

But I would still wanted that Porto went' forward.

Starting with less 6 points would be a good challenge.
 
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Revan, first of all you mad?

Now, look at portos History. Porto Won the first Championship in Portugal ever in 1934/35, but then they went to win only 6 championships in 41 years. Since 1982, Porto has won 15 titles (in 1982 Pinto da Costa ran for presidency and won).
Whats wrong about this?
Lets see a team that doesn't win anything for 41 years should not have that many members and money to make that "big step" forward, then how do you explain that quick jump from nothing to everything? Money, members, coaches, players stadium, etc? That i know Neither Pinto da Costa or Porto won the lottery and neither of them at that age were enough rich to bring a club to life. Something happened while Pinto da Costa brought back an Old and tired porto, and from what i know every rich guy must have done sh*t or stole to be rich if not every1 would be rich lol.
Porto should be losing More Points and should start with negative numbers next season instead of losing them right now which is stupid.

About Benfica having that wonderful President called Vale e Azevedo (Death is too low for you mother f*cker) no1 could predict or even tell what he was going to do to benfica so if you were trying to create an opening to attack benfica, that was worthless and a waste of time. Try again later.
 
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Juventus' crimes are nothing compare with Porto. Portuguese law makes me laugh.
What's the difference between Boavista and Porto? Both tried to buy the referees, both have benefited so where is the difference?
In my opinion Boavista, Porto and União de Leira should have been relegated.
 
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WTF is going on in your country? I have to admit that I'm a bit shocked because the portuguese league had always a good reputation. so did porto the same as juve or is it a bit different?
 
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Porto = Juventus

Italian Justice > Portuguese Justice

More than 25 years of corruption...

Fuck all!
 
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Revan, first of all you mad?

Now, look at portos History. Porto Won the first Championship in Portugal ever in 1934/35, but then they went to win only 6 championships in 41 years. Since 1982, Porto has won 15 titles (in 1982 Pinto da Costa ran for presidency and won).
Whats wrong about this?
Lets see a team that doesn't win anything for 41 years should not have that many members and money to make that "big step" forward, then how do you explain that quick jump from nothing to everything? Money, members, coaches, players stadium, etc? That i know Neither Pinto da Costa or Porto won the lottery and neither of them at that age were enough rich to bring a club to life. Something happened while Pinto da Costa brought back an Old and tired porto, and from what i know every rich guy must have done sh*t or stole to be rich if not every1 would be rich lol.
Porto should be losing More Points and should start with negative numbers next season instead of losing them right now which is stupid.

About Benfica having that wonderful President called Vale e Azevedo (Death is too low for you mother f*cker) no1 could predict or even tell what he was going to do to benfica so if you were trying to create an opening to attack benfica, that was worthless and a waste of time. Try again later.
Check your history. Those were the days of the new state.
Remember that Eusebio was not allowed to leave Benfica because of Salazar? Funny is after the dictatorship ended, football changed.
About Azevedo, you didn't get it did you? Of course no one could predict! I simply showed the reason for Benfica's failure is bad management.
The part in Bold: not worth the pixels...


Nesses tempos o Benfica ganhava por decreto. Bons velhos tempos que morrerram com o estado novo.



Juventus' crimes are nothing compare with Porto. Portuguese law makes me laugh.
What's the difference between Boavista and Porto? Both tried to buy the referees, both have benefited so where is the difference?
In my opinion Boavista, Porto and União de Leira should have been relegated.
What kind of comparison is that? the Italian problems were related to illegal gambling.

WTF is going on in your country? I have to admit that I'm a bit shocked because the portuguese league had always a good reputation. so did porto the same as juve or is it a bit different?
From the outside, but I never thought the portuguese league had a good reputation. It has nothing to do with the problems italian football had.


A verdade é que no final das contas o Apito só tá apitando para um lado.
O tal Ricardo Costa com a sua cara de contente por ter castigado o FCP, diz tudo. Basta dizer que ele é vermelho, para aqueles que não sabiam.
Foi o LFV que andou a dizer que para ganhar campeonatos era preciso ter gente na liga.
 
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Lol, o acho giro é o Boavista ter feito a mesma merda que o Porto, mas o Boavista descer de divisao e o Porto perder 6 pontos. Até na justiça vosses são beneficiados, e nao venhas tentar justificar com historia ou falas de alguem que o porto nunca é beneficiado, podem-se queixar de nunca vos marcarem penaltys, mas e quanto as faltas perto da area que resultaram em golos faceis? Ou ate penaltys fantasmas que conseguem ganhar? Foras de jogo em que o Bandeirinha nem esta na posição em que devia? Pah podes tentar justificar o que quiseres, mas a má reputação que o Porto tem aos olhos de tda gente nunca vais conseguir eliminar.

Ja agora tens ai uma "falha nessa ultima frase" quem tem andado a ganhar campeonatos é o Porto nao o Benfica, agora cada um tira as suas proprias comclusoes sobre isso.
 
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A situação do Boavista é diferente. Não houve ganhos por parte do Porto na suposta tentativa de corrupção. O Boavista teve ganho.

Sobre os foras-de-jogo. Ai tiveste infeliz, porque é exactamente ai que o Porto tem sido prejudicado com muitos foras de jogo mal tirados. Falas de livres perto da area que dão golos faceis: ve-se que não sabes do que tas a falar, porque o Porto tem sido a pior equipa em termos de aproveitamento de lances de bola parada(nem temos uma mao cheia de golos nesse aspecto), as esmagadora maioria dos golos tem sido em bola corrida.
Falas de penaltys fantasmas, mas a verdade é que nós tivemos 2(3?) penalty esta época, e foram legais.
Verdade é que mesmo sendo prejudicado nesses areas o Porto conseguiu ganhar e isso diz muito do futebol da equipa.

Sobre a frase: Se queres mudar o sentido da frase, é la contigo. Eu não me vou dar ao trabalho de explicar algo que já foi explicado varias vezes ao longo dos anos.


Sorry evo-web for the Portuguese. :) I won't do it again.
 
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OK. Here what basically happened.
This is based on the documents of the league.

According to the Discplinary body of the Portuguese League:
Boavista FC tried and succeded in corrupting the referees.
FC Porto, tried but was not succefull in corrupting the referees.
This is based on the facts that:
  • The match between FC Porto and Beira-Mar did not show errors that favored FCPorto, and the match ended in a draw.
  • The match between FC Porto and Estrela da Amadora, according to the documents of the league, 2 errors were made against Estrela da Amadora and 4 were made against FCPorto.

The punishments are:

FC Porto will have removed 6 points this season.
FC Porto president Pinto da Costa is suspended for 2 years.

Boavista FC will be relegated.
Boavista FC former president João Loureiro is suspended for 4 years.

União de Leiria, already relegated, will have removed 3 points.
União de Leiria president is suspended for 1 year.

Several referes and linesman are suspended for 2.5 years to 6 years.


Appeals:
FCPorto, the club, will not appeal the loss of 6 points. This is due to the 20 point advantage Porto has, making it 14 points ahead. Shareholder of course put pressure to make this decision, because If Porto appealed and was still punished the 6 points would be for next season making Porto start with less 6 points.

FC Porto president Pinto da Costa will appeal his punishment of 2 years.

Boavista and former Boavista president João Loureiro will appeal this decision.

União de Leiria, and their president will also appeal.

The referees, no news so far if they will appeal or not, but it's more than likely that they will.
 
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Appeals:
FCPorto, the club, will not appeal the loss of 6 points. This is due to the 20 point advantage Porto has, making it 14 points ahead. Shareholder of course put pressure to make this decision, because If Porto appealed and was still punished the 6 points would be for next season making Porto start with less 6 points.

It's an intelligent attitude, but, in other way, take this decision is to assume that FC Porto is guilty. Rui Moreira and Manuel Serrão said the same.
 
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It's an intelligent attitude, but, in other way, take this decision is to assume that FC Porto is guilty. Rui Moreira and Manuel Serrão said the same.

Yes no doubt.
I'm kinda divided on this actually. But the decision has been made, so gonna have to live with it.

More inclined to the appeal though...
 
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If Porto cheated when they had the Mourinho Dream Team... Imagine what they did before...

That's exactly my problem. Now everyone suddenly says that every single title porto had was acquired by less honest ways, and that is what bothers me.

Only thing I want is to Porto continue to play high quality football.


BTW: GOD, i'm all for Deco in the national squad, Pepe and even Assunção, but I sincerely hope it doens't happen again.
 
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After the last day, Sporting goes to the CL, Vitoria de Guimarães goes to 3rd round playoff for the CL, and Benfica get's the UEFA CUP.

Code:
         Club 	        Pts 	G
1.  	 FC Porto	69	30
2.  	 Sporting	55	30
3.  	 V. Guimarães	53	30
4.  	 Benfica	52	30
5.  	 Marítimo	46	30
6.  	 V. Setúbal	45	30
7.  	 Sp. Braga	41	30
8.  	 Belenenses	40	30
9.  	 Boavista	36	30
10.  	 Nacional	35	30
11.  	 Naval	        34	30
12.  	 Académica	32	30
13.  	 E. Amadora	31	30
14.  	 Leixões	26	30
15.  	 P. Ferreira	25	30
16.  	 U. Leiria	16	30
 
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That's exactly my problem. Now everyone suddenly says that every single title porto had was acquired by less honest ways, and that is what bothers me.

Only thing I want is to Porto continue to play high quality football.


BTW: GOD, i'm all for Deco in the national squad, Pepe and even Assunção, but I sincerely hope it doens't happen again.

I'll keep saying the same thing as before:

Porto probably got to where it is today through less honest ways as you put it. Sure, for the past decade they've been better than the opposition, no doubt. But maybe they achieved that position with years of not so honest activities behind the scenes, which led them to a dominating position in Portuguese football, and since then they've always been able to afford the best players.
 
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I'll keep saying the same thing as before:

Porto probably got to where it is today through less honest ways as you put it. Sure, for the past decade they've been better than the opposition, no doubt. But maybe they achieved that position with years of not so honest activities behind the scenes, which led them to a dominating position in Portuguese football, and since then they've always been able to afford the best players.

I can live with that. We all know how power works in Portugal.
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I don't where to put it so here I go:


Portuguese National Team Euro 2008

Goalkeepers
Ricardo (Betis)
Quim (Benfica)
Rui Patrício (Sporting)

Defenders
Bosingwa (Chelsea)
Paulo Ferreira (Chelsea)
Miguel (Valencia)
Ricardo Carvalho (Chelsea)
Pepe (Real Madrid)
Bruno Alves (FC Porto)
Fernando Meira (Stuttgart)
Jorge Ribeiro (Benfica)

Midfielders
Miguel Veloso (Sporting)
Petit (Benfica)
Raul Meireles (FC Porto)
Deco (Barcelona)
João Moutinho (Sporting)
Cristiano Ronaldo (Manchester United)
Nani (Manchester United)
Quaresma (FC Porto)
Simão (Atlético Madrid)

Strikers
Nuno Gomes (Benfica)
Hélder Postiga (Panathinaikos)
Hugo Almeida (Werder Bremen)
 
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"Pros e Contras" show today on RTP was a mirror of Portuguese football.

If my portuguese friends can, watch the rerun, probably tomorrow night around midnight on RTPN. Check the schedules.
 
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