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theCRO said:
fifa back then was laughable, pathetic, unplayable...ugly looking. The list goes on.
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Nick Cave said:
Agreed 100%... ;)
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Anybody with an Xbox 360 who wants a laugh should try downloading the FIFA 06 World Cup demo. I did yesterday (I love retro), and I was gobsmacked at how totally and utterly awful the game was, nothing close to football.

How they've gone from literally unplayable to a decent football simulation within 3-4 years is amazing really, if Konami showed the same kind of work rate within that period of time you can't help but wonder how good PES would be now.
 
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I played the full WC game, and at the highest difficulty I managed to score a goal with all 11 of my players in one match. Plus, they were all the same goal from the same position, to the same part of the goal.
 
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I also noticed that the PES Editing forum has over 5 times as many posts as any other sub-forum on the site :SHOCK:
 
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vihn78 said:
Speaking about old games i am preparing a patch for PES 3, it was my favorite of the series (the first with the actual master league, with some small differences, for example was the last one without player grouth) just for fun, i will make a 2009/2010 version, im not yet sure if i will publish it or not, i dont think too many players wants to play with it :D

Sorry for the OFF-Topic
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I would adore that, I've still got PES3 on both PS2 and PC.

Having said that, I never patched it with either of them, cause I could never figure out how to apply a full patch.

Surely you'd need all the tools from back then to implement it?
 
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Before i became a pc fan my first game of footie was played on a 3do console (remember them?) and the game was fifa international soccer, i still laugh at how you could shoot from your own area and the ball would travel towards the opponents goal like it had been shot from a cannon :DOH: they were the days when fifa was made by ice hockey loving canadians. Oh and yeah they didnt have real player names back then.
 
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matherto said:
I would adore that, I've still got PES3 on both PS2 and PC.

Having said that, I never patched it with either of them, cause I could never figure out how to apply a full patch.

Surely you'd need all the tools from back then to implement it?
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Actually i have all the tools i need, a good editor for the database, a set defoult colour editor for many other settings, and a good tool to change audio file, not mantioning the AFS explorer and the Game Graphic Studio that are always great.
The patch will probably be a .ppf file (and its for PC, but i am planning on a future ps2 version too if i find the game in any shop again) so all that people will need is the classic ppf-o-matic 3.0 tool.

What "I" really would like to get is the help of a good kit maker, there are not too many teams to do but not being a good kitmaker (often i just copy paste things from kits from pes 6 or pes 2009) it is slowing me down a lot.
I start to think i should open a thread about this patch so that a can post some pics of kits i have done and implemented already :)
 
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Just found this on gaming access......PES 2010: Concerns about Online Play

Hmm, pesgaming reports concerns about the online play. Nothing has been said about the 'teleporting issue' of PES 2010. I think they want us to believe that the game is going to be amazing, but has Konami addressed the main problems from previous titles like mulitplayer teleporting? As you can see in this article by Pesgaming, I am not the only one concerned about this:



"What can I say about the range of comments left to the playtest last week? One thing is for certain: Konami seem to be damned if they do, and damned if they don’t. Had Konami not held this early playtest for the likes of us, then we would not have known how the game was progressing, and more importantly, we would not have been able to feed back into the development process. What many people need to understand is that up until the tail end of last year, we haven’t had avenues for communicating with Konami. We have had frustrations with the series for years, but have never really been able to get this across to Konami formally, and know that it has been taken into consideration by the people who count there.


Konami have acknowledged that we have a stake in the game, and that our voices need to be heard for the series to advance. I still maintain that we need to give them a 2 year period to be able to judge them fully. We need to be patient with the efforts that are being made. Writing Konami off this early won’t help anyone. The game that will be released in October will be very different from the last two years - mark my words. It may not be as advanced as many of us would like, but there will be enough in the game to keep us very involved.


I know the game will be fun to play, and have that ‘just one more game’ feel to it that it is famed for.


The people leaving comments about this being the same old story from Konami need to understand that it isn’t easy to go from a culture of working in an insular fashion, to opening the process out to include groups such as us. Any one of you try to change how you work and see how you get on.
I know I have expressed dissapointment at some old bugbears still being present, but crucially there is still time for some of them to be fixed. What I would like you guys to do is to keep faith. I have no problems standing up for Konami right now. We are an independent site, and yes we now have formal affiliations with Konami, but I strongly feel that by forming strong bonds with them, PES can go from strength to strength. A couple of weeks ago I said the following list will be the litmus test for whether PES2010 is a success in my eyes:



  1. a game engine that is a simulation of the sport, which allows us to tailor it to our own style.
    increased and improved player animations for dribbling, performing tricks and shooting
    a return to the control system of PES6 which allows you to use the right analog stick to perform tricks
    fully functional online play, with no more lag issues for ANYONE! Online play is a massive feature for many of us, and if this feature fails, then Konami are as good as advertising FIFA ‘10 for EA.
 
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buzzyhead said:
Just found this on gaming access......PES 2010: Concerns about Online Play

Hmm, pesgaming reports concerns about the online play. Nothing has been said about the 'teleporting issue' of PES 2010. I think they want us to believe that the game is going to be amazing, but has Konami addressed the main problems from previous titles like mulitplayer teleporting? As you can see in this article by Pesgaming, I am not the only one concerned about this:



"What can I say about the range of comments left to the playtest last week? One thing is for certain: Konami seem to be damned if they do, and damned if they don’t. Had Konami not held this early playtest for the likes of us, then we would not have known how the game was progressing, and more importantly, we would not have been able to feed back into the development process. What many people need to understand is that up until the tail end of last year, we haven’t had avenues for communicating with Konami. We have had frustrations with the series for years, but have never really been able to get this across to Konami formally, and know that it has been taken into consideration by the people who count there.


Konami have acknowledged that we have a stake in the game, and that our voices need to be heard for the series to advance. I still maintain that we need to give them a 2 year period to be able to judge them fully. We need to be patient with the efforts that are being made. Writing Konami off this early won’t help anyone. The game that will be released in October will be very different from the last two years - mark my words. It may not be as advanced as many of us would like, but there will be enough in the game to keep us very involved.


I know the game will be fun to play, and have that ‘just one more game’ feel to it that it is famed for.


The people leaving comments about this being the same old story from Konami need to understand that it isn’t easy to go from a culture of working in an insular fashion, to opening the process out to include groups such as us. Any one of you try to change how you work and see how you get on.
I know I have expressed dissapointment at some old bugbears still being present, but crucially there is still time for some of them to be fixed. What I would like you guys to do is to keep faith. I have no problems standing up for Konami right now. We are an independent site, and yes we now have formal affiliations with Konami, but I strongly feel that by forming strong bonds with them, PES can go from strength to strength. A couple of weeks ago I said the following list will be the litmus test for whether PES2010 is a success in my eyes:



  1. a game engine that is a simulation of the sport, which allows us to tailor it to our own style.
    increased and improved player animations for dribbling, performing tricks and shooting
    a return to the control system of PES6 which allows you to use the right analog stick to perform tricks
    fully functional online play, with no more lag issues for ANYONE! Online play is a massive feature for many of us, and if this feature fails, then Konami are as good as advertising FIFA ‘10 for EA.
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  1. I can't see anything about online in the following part in the text above. So no concerning comments about it. Unless you mean the last paragraph, but I expected some kind of denial from Konami.
 
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buzzyhead said:
Before i became a pc fan my first game of footie was played on a 3do console (remember them?) and the game was fifa international soccer, i still laugh at how you could shoot from your own area and the ball would travel towards the opponents goal like it had been shot from a cannon :DOH: they were the days when fifa was made by ice hockey loving canadians. Oh and yeah they didnt have real player names back then.
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I think it still is, thay have just shipped some guys in to explain Football to them... ;)
 
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I'll still reserve judgment on PES2010 until i have my grubby little hands on it.

Sounds promising, but we'll wait and see.


Does anybody have any idea who the Europa League teams "might" be?
 
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Nick Cave said:
They have the licence for the Europa League though I don't think that gives them the teams in it, or does it?...
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Seems a waste if they could not get more teams in. They had additional teams that got used for the Champions League mode in PES 2009 so "you would think" that would be the case regarding Europa League.

The teams do need a shake up in PES, i mean Helsinki, AIK, etc no disrepect to them but who really goes them or plays with them?

Teams Like

Hearts
AEK Athens
Racing Genk
Trabzonspor
Dinamo Bucureşti
Hapoel Tel Aviv
Austria Vienna
Hadjuk Split

Some will argue they are no bigger than AIK and Helsinki but they will seem more realistic when involved if that makes sense.


They could have added more "bigger" named teams or added the Swedish League, Portuguese League etc
 
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Urban said:
Seems a waste if they could not get more teams in. They had additional teams that got used for the Champions League mode in PES 2009 so "you would think" that would be the case regarding Europa League.

The teams do need a shake up in PES, i mean Helsinki, AIK, etc no disrepect to them but who really goes them or plays with them?

They could have added more "bigger" named teams or added the Swedish League, Portuguese League etc
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Agreed I'm disappointed no one has got more lower league licenced teams in TBH, especially FIFA.

I'm still hoping PES have loads of slots for us to edit and the ability to add up to four divisions though I very much doubt it... :P
 
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Nick Cave said:
Agreed I'm disappointed no one has got more lower league licenced teams in TBH, especially FIFA.

I'm still hoping PES have loads of slots for us to edit and the ability to add up to four divisions though I very much doubt it... :P
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I know. The editing can be painstaking though:YAWN:

Hopefully someone will waste all their free time and make one:LOL:
 
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Aboutreika18 said:
That article doesn't make PES sound promising.
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I just hope all our fears are alayed.But the proof will be in the pudding.but after last years false promises you have every right to be sceptical. i could possibly see me forking out for an xbox 360 for fifa 10 (as ea are on another planet when it comes to the pc version)if konami crash & burn this time.
 
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The one thing that's really annoyed me about the next-gen games (and to an extent I think it's been in the PS2 games as well but I can't fully remember), is when you first touch the ball and your player steps over it and does a full turn before touching it.

It's so clumsy to look at and slows the game down, and it happens every five seconds so the game you watch doesn't look fluid at all.

But that'd be down to changing the animations probably.
 
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Hajduk Split made the Champions league quarters in 1995.

They gave us players such as Niko Kranjcar, Alen Boksic, Robert Jarni, Darijo Srna, Slaven Bilic...easily the most popular club in Croatia...

give 'em a break :)
 
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i like playing as teams like hajduk split, variety is the spice of life chaps
 
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I was talking a friend who is also a game developer, he told me that a games such as PES2009 which was "broken" in so many aspects cannot be turned around in 12 months, even with a development team of 200 it would take around 2-3 years to rewrite the whole game.

He thinks that PES2010 will be an improvement on PES2009 and we will see Konami finally get the game on track but it could be PES2012 before you see the game really hit the heights, the example he gave me was FIFA 07 which finally saw EA start to look at going down the simulation route, it then has take 2 years and three iterations (Champions League, FIFA 08 & FIFA 09) to get FIFA to truly playable level.

I would love for PES to hit the heights again and hopefully PES2010 can get Konami back on track, but people who are expecting this to be the all conquering PES of the past maybe in for a shock.
 
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kamy100 said:
I was talking a friend who is also a game developer, he told me that a games such as PES2009 which was "broken" in so many aspects cannot be turned around in 12 months, even with a development team of 200 it would take around 2-3 years to rewrite the whole game.

He thinks that PES2010 will be an improvement on PES2009 and we will see Konami finally get the game on track but it could be PES2012 before you see the game really hit the heights, the example he gave me was FIFA 07 which finally saw EA start to look at going down the simulation route, it then has take 2 years and three iterations (Champions League, FIFA 08 & FIFA 09) to get FIFA to truly playable level.

I would love for PES to hit the heights again and hopefully PES2010 can get Konami back on track, but people who are expecting this to be the all conquering PES of the past maybe in for a shock.
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It depends if it's Konami's intention to rewrite the whole game. I don't think PES2009 is completely broken and I'm not so sure the game needs to be re-written from the ground up. Personally I think PES2009 could have been a considerably better game if only the animations were much improved and more plentiful, and if the gameplay mechanics for passing/shooting/tackling were tweaked.

Another Winning EleveN Blog site tagged PES2010 as 'the revolution rather than evolution' but this is clearly bullshit. PES has always gently evolved year on year and I expect the current game engine to be the base for the foreseable future. As I said, this may not be a bad thing because we have yet to see it at it's full potential.

Also on the point about Fifa: you could say Fifa was more broken 4 or 5 years ago than PES is now. Maybe I'm being too optimistic but I think Konami know what they need to do to get PES back on track, and the experience gained from creating the best football games over the last decade doesn't disappear overnight. I just think Konami were caught short with the manpower required to push PES forward on next-gen consoles and that is complete incompetence on their part.
 
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I don't think we are going to see a return to the halcyon days of the likes of PES6 or We8LWE either, but I'm also very confident no body will be returning tp 2008 or 2009 after a few months of release...
 
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Not really the biggest deal is it I doubt people returned to PES 08 from 09 and would rather play FIFA or go back to PES5/6.

Agree with Kammy, Don't expect to much from 2010 and hope its just puts the game back on track.
 
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matherto said:
The one thing that's really annoyed me about the next-gen games (and to an extent I think it's been in the PS2 games as well but I can't fully remember), is when you first touch the ball and your player steps over it and does a full turn before touching it.

It's so clumsy to look at and slows the game down, and it happens every five seconds so the game you watch doesn't look fluid at all.

But that'd be down to changing the animations probably.
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That's because you receive the ball without letting go of R1, plus having the direction the ball is heading (pressed, too). I love this option, that FIFA lacks.

Jamezinho said:
It depends if it's Konami's intention to rewrite the whole game. I don't think PES2009 is completely broken and I'm not so sure the game needs to be re-written from the ground up. Personally I think PES2009 could have been a considerably better game if only the animations were much improved and more plentiful, and if the gameplay mechanics for passing/shooting/tackling were tweaked.

Another Winning EleveN Blog site tagged PES2010 as 'the revolution rather than evolution' but this is clearly bullshit. PES has always gently evolved year on year and I expect the current game engine to be the base for the foreseable future. As I said, this may not be a bad thing because we have yet to see it at it's full potential.

Also on the point about Fifa: you could say Fifa was more broken 4 or 5 years ago than PES is now. Maybe I'm being too optimistic but I think Konami know what they need to do to get PES back on track, and the experience gained from creating the best football games over the last decade doesn't disappear overnight. I just think Konami were caught short with the manpower required to push PES forward on next-gen consoles and that is complete incompetence on their part.
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I restarted playing PES earlier this week. Although it annoys me not having the chance to tell your mates to start a run (by pressing L1 as in FIFA), plus only having 8 directions to chose from when running AND passing (!!), the game is good.

Yup, I think the game is good.

Not minding the occasional CPU fouling players for you, the midfield battles are there, and you can tell a difference when playing Ambrosini or Kaká. You can shoot from distance and score screamers. Having players around you will affect your shots. You don't win/lose the ball by simply pressing X. You have a great way to perform manual passes with the right sticker.

I know I'll be playing PES more and more, this month. Despite all the little annoyances, it still plays like PES, and I'm loving it.
 
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I tried PES6 lastnight but couldn't get past 4 matches it's too fast and too fuckin ugly, playing via my ps3 and on my 32'' lcd it really is bad. The things I noticed immediately:
- editable boots are great it really adds to the game in the variety in player appearance.

- the customisable camera angles are good

- 38 stadiums

- the manual and adjustable player settings, no more auto-slide, pass or shoot.

- the CPU AI is good and not even the best as PES5 was better.
I lost my first 3 matches due to not being able to exploit the CPU with touch-and-go 1-2's ala PES2009. In PES 6 the CPU defense had the sense to track Messi when I played those quick 1-2's with Eto'o and Ronaldinho.
Just running around a player with Messi is not easy either.

- The ball in PES 6 moved much too fast on the ground but the spin and bobble the ball has as it moves is waaay better than PES2009.

- Shooting the ball in PES6 is better than PES2009, the weight, pace and trajectory of the ball is excellent.

- sliding on PES 6 is excellent, I forgot what a joy it is to be able to tackle the opposition in PES. Also the advantage rule was perfect.

- goalkeepers were better and didn't spill the ball as much.


All in all, I am amazed at how Konami has allowed the game to slip away the way that it has.
If Konami just concentrate on the little things PES 2010 can be spectacular there isn't a need to overhaul the engine.
 
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gsvelto said:
Emlyn Hughes International Soccer on C64 was probably the best soccer game ever created relative to the hardware available

if u think that was 20 YEARS ago, it's disappointing the little progresses we made in terms of pure gameplay
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Sensible World of Soccer is where it's at. Also, Mr. Dino Dini and those who made Perfect/Fighting Eleven (Super Famicom) would like to have a word with you, Sir.

I also strongly believe that a lot of the people posting in this thread should try out the latest iteration of the J. League WE franchise (we're talking about PS2 titles) which is quite different from the western PS2 Pro Evo counterpart and leaps and bounds better than any (allegedly) next-gen FIFA or PES, gameplay and production design-wise (and the 2009 version is just days away from being released in japan...).
 
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