PES 2019 News Discussion Thread (INSULTS/DIGS = INSTANT BAN)

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P34SEMM said:
This is where Konami annoy. They are releasing game earlier than ever but as usual you are getting a half finished game.
Why not release in Oct and have everything you need to make game completely done.
People who support Rangers are having to wait a possible 6 weeks to get their stadium if previous years are anything to go buy.
Complete the game and release it. Not before.
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One month without competition is huge for Pes, that's why.
 
Chief Inspector Grobelaar said:
Ibrox coming via DLC .

That's going to be an epic DLC when it's available!

Can imagine Bhatti and Tanvir being hounded for the release date from about mid August
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I have lost track of what will be in the game from day 1 and what won't be. They need to give people a timeline of when the promised additions will be added via dlc and not be vague as in the past. All good stuff though, looking forward to judging the game play on the 8th.
 
P34SEMM said:
This is where Konami annoy. They are releasing game earlier than ever but as usual you are getting a half finished game.
Why not release in Oct and have everything you need to make game completely done.
People who support Rangers are having to wait a possible 6 weeks to get their stadium if previous years are anything to go buy.
Complete the game and release it. Not before.
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Well those people can buy the game in October as well! Dont they?
 
cowden_harley said:
Im not stoking a fire here at all, but of those of you who play 2018 do you feel it is smooth? I constantly feel I am battling activated animations. This is my big hope for 2019 that this doesnt happen.

That and the sanitised atmosphere of games. The game just doesnt excite me. I hope that changes here too
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It's not as smooth as FIFA but that's actually where PES' biggest strength is for me. FIFA feels lifeless in the way it moves, it's so so smooth it feels very much like a game, in a way that I don't like.

With PES iIfeel very much in control of the player in possession but more importantly, how I would dribble in real life or what I'd expect to see, plays out in the animations. I can't just drift at breakneck speed at an unrealistic angle. Instead I have to anticipate the challenge coming in a little before, decide how I'm going to approach the specific scenario. I love that about PES 2018.

P34SEMM said:
This is where Konami annoy. They are releasing game earlier than ever but as usual you are getting a half finished game.
Why not release in Oct and have everything you need to make game completely done.
People who support Rangers are having to wait a possible 6 weeks to get their stadium if previous years are anything to go buy.
Complete the game and release it. Not before.
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Agile init. Way of the world these days. Although I'd be shocked if their development teams are working in a truly agile fashion, or at best they are but in a horribly inefficient way.
 
djquantum said:
I hardly post here (but do lurk quite alot). If you like online play without the players like you mention, there are places to play online with like minded players .. I know there are a few guys on here who already play @ proevonetwork.com. FM meets Pro Evo with transfers, wages etc. With all the new players coming in for pes2019 it's going be even more epic.

Check it out to save your sanity ;)
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Can’t agree enough with this guy. I’m not even in the league system (yet), but have found renewed love for PES playing like minded players on proevonetwork.... check it out guys
 
fefepes said:
The opposite happens too with Jangjuv and Daniel getting frustrated with anyone that does not love PES.

Daniel causes arguments everywhere he goes a quick google search shows, no smoke without fire? Now he is trolling Evo-Web too.

p.s Great news about Rangers who are on the up, but PLAYER ID is required to make these licenses mean anything.
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Wrong,He handles his replies here OK & offers reasonable argument & is never personal.

See the thread title? its just this sort of character assassination of anybody that we do not wish to see.
 
TheGoodOldDays said:
Spooky surely has to be Konami's MVP right now, he's taken a community from a state of crisis to overall optimism!

The thing is with Weedens is although he makes great trailers you never see the gameplay it's taken from, so it can feel a bit fake, especially when you consider that he has managed to make every game look good, no matter how good or bad the actual gameplay is.

P.S. I thought both of the two player videos looked faster, I think it's blatantly obvious when you look at how they are hounding the AI with two or three players constantly and forcing them to play quickly, there is space everywhere and so it looks end to end, "high octane" as someone put it. The best video is still the one where he scored a free kick, I just hope the final game is more of that and less of the spammy ping-pong backheel fests.
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You can see a lot of unedited gameplay in his tiki-taka vids. He primarily uses Barca, but the you can see the same being down with Boca, River, Juve, and occasionally Liverpool.

I do remember seeing a vid with Brazil from a demo build for either 2017 or 2018 were it was the same 1 touch passing from goalie to striker, with a few tricks thrown in. Can't remember if it was against AI or human. I haven't seen any other unedited stuff tho.
I'm assuming this is the way the game is suppose to be played since he makes official Konami/Pes vids now.

 
Jake87 said:
Is the demo the same code as what peoplw played in the tour ?
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Who knows! It's best not to talk about codes with PES as they seem to get progressively worse. Many loved the Online Beta last year and look how that turned out......

I wish I had the willpower to just wait till release to play so I have nothing to compare it to, Ignorance is bliss sometimes!! Guaranteed I'll be hovering over the Australian & Hong Kong PSN stores come Tuesday though!!!
 
fefepes said:
The opposite happens too with Jangjuv and Daniel getting frustrated with anyone that does not love PES.
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That's both personal and inaccurate (in my own case—can't speak for Daniel).

I think it just underscores how PES, and chatter about it, is often viewed through a very particular prism. It sets a narrative according to which there are real fans who are critical, on the one hand, and fanboys who adulate the game and suck up to Konami, on the other.

That's a narrative which is as shoddy as it is ridiculous. There's no room for nuance.

Whereas, in fact, if you were so inclined to read through my posts (a task I won't request of anyone), you'd see I have many gripes with the series, concerns with the new edition, and I'm not scared to express them. Or to take on board what other critics say.

I pay more attention to the criticism which is considered, structured, reflective. Things like Matt10's analysis of AI problems, or Chris's video review of 2018 (which was, unfortunately, spot on).

The criticism which I take exception to is generally of a conspiratorial, shouty, or weakly reasoned flavour. It's when people start gesturing wildly at the motivations of figures behind the scenes, without evidence, and always with conviction. It also cumulatively builds up this toxic, negative atmosphere, where positivity even when expressed just takes a back seat.

Look back to when Matt10 analysed the E3 code and pointed to loads of positives. It was practically ignored, even though when Matt criticises code his analysis is lauded and referred to often. That's what I mean: the ceaseless negativity sticks and attracts more of its ilk. It's mostly directionless, emotional, misguided.

If it wasn't so pervasive, I wouldn't point it out.

We have a new game ahead of us. I have mixed feelings about it, because I don't know what to make of the pace and pass assist levels, given the videos we've all seen. I'm on the side of being hopeful, on that front. It's hard being hopeful, however, in a relentlessly cynical environment.
 
With all the talk of stadiums added, we are losing some. I guess Wanda Metropolitano is history after it was rumoured that EA signed it up. EA are also listed as a partner on the A. Madrid website.
Also, the Ultimate Stage, that should also be gone. All the rest I think will be safe.

I'd like to see a Dutch stadium or two along with some Russian.
 
I understand many people being frustrated with the negativity in this thread, but it really isn't unwarranted.

janguv said:
Look back to when Matt10 analysed the E3 code and pointed to loads of positives. It was practically ignored, even though when Matt criticises code his analysis is lauded and referred to often. That's what I mean: the ceaseless negativity sticks and attracts more of its ilk. It's mostly directionless, emotional, misguided.
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I disagree with that, I think most people in this thread who are frustrated/negative about the game are pretty clear about where they think the game is lacking.
 
Madmac79 said:
I was a -1 or even -2 player, but lately I've been starting to think that modifying speed fucks up a bit the game, indeed. It's like animations or other physics can't all stay as coherent/can't all adapt to the slower speed in the same way, while at 0 as it is in fact supposed to originally be, it's all smooth and in place.

Not saying it's surely like that, it's just mainly a perception of course, although a very strong one to me.
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That's true indeed.
For further proof all you need to do is (on PC) get Nesa's tool and modules which allow you to set any game speed (like literally any speed, not just -1 -2 0 +1 +2, but also beyond that and the in-betweens) and you'll start to see some weird funny things happening. Like a very slow balls getting through between the keepers hands thus resulting in a goal. A mistimed cross that ends up in the back of the net even though the keeper showed up in time to catch it. Etc
That just goes to show that everything is tied up together with very thing strings.
Once I saw this and tested it to the limit, I understood why we will never have gameplay sliders. At least not until there's a new engine, and a game from 0. They just can't add gameplay sliders. In fact, they can't tweak the gameplay much more than this. I don't know who they'll do to stretch this engine and this game for another year or two until there's a new engine.

Now that I think about it, it makes perfect sense. They said next year they will focus on Master League, Presentation, Atmosphere, etc. Because there's not much else they can do gameplay related, precisely because of what I described above.

P34SEMM said:
This is where Konami annoy. They are releasing game earlier than ever but as usual you are getting a half finished game.
Why not release in Oct and have everything you need to make game completely done.
People who support Rangers are having to wait a possible 6 weeks to get their stadium if previous years are anything to go buy.
Complete the game and release it. Not before.
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You know, I have been asking myself that very question. Why release the game so much early? Why the rush?.
A game like PES could benefit from taking two more months (as opposed to one less) and work on menus, presentation, atmosphere and include more content right from the start instead of waiting for a DLC. So there must be some other reason behind it.
 
peterc10 said:
I understand many people being frustrated with the negativity in this thread, but it really isn't unwarranted.



I disagree with that, I think most people in this thread who are frustrated/negative about the game are pretty clear about where they think the game is lacking.
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[Edit: after this, I'm happy to let this topic go.. Don't want to derail the thread, and I was mainly responding to a personal criticism further above, which started this chain of comments.]

That's true. Much of the criticism—even from people I think are generally arguing in a conspiratorial manner—is directed at very specific elements, themes, and people.

Perhaps I misspoke in that regard. What I think I was trying to bring out by "directionless" is how it strikes me that there's always something to vent about. Such that it doesn't really matter what the fault is, the impression given is that complaints will pile in regardless.

We've seen that kind of pulsing, underlying negativity when even really minor things are hinted at but people blow up over it. The immediate reaction to the demo, to a single tweet by Asim or Adam, to an announced feature that is yet to be clarified or explained.

The criticism goes from being "this x & y are shit" to "this x & y will probably be implemented in z way, and z is shit".

That's what I was trying to get across by directionless.
 
Brilliant fake stadium that ruined the CL for me last year. It felt like playing indoors. Skiped most finals as I couldn't find a way to disable it. Even tried to import another 2018 stadium over it. Probably the reason I won't miss it this year. Serious amount of stadia this year and some of them can be recycled for other teams plus hopefully we'll be able to import the 2018 pc ones in as well
 
motherhen said:
With all the talk of stadiums added, we are losing some. I guess Wanda Metropolitano is history after it was rumoured that EA signed it up. EA are also listed as a partner on the A. Madrid website.
Also, the Ultimate Stage, that should also be gone. All the rest I think will be safe.

I'd like to see a Dutch stadium or two along with some Russian.
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Do we know anything about Arsenal in general or the Emirates? Really hope we haven't lost that, even though I'm no Gooner.
 
janguv said:
Do we know anything about Arsenal in general or the Emirates? Really hope we haven't lost that, even though I'm no Gooner.
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Yeah me too.
I hope we haven't lost Wanda nor Emirates.
And I seriously hope Signal Iduna Park somehow is still there because they "didn't remove the files in time due to game shipping so much early".
 
With the new teams licensed what i want to feel is uniqueness, not like i have just made Rangers and Celtic myself via create player edit mode.

Also i played PES 18 at someone elses house and it felt more responsive? He uses no option files? Could this be a thing?
 
fefepes said:
With the new teams licensed what i want to feel is uniqueness, not like i have just made Rangers and Celtic myself via create player edit mode.

Also i played PES 18 at someone elses house and it felt more responsive? He uses no option files? Could this be a thing?
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Almost certainly going to be his TV rather than no OF
 
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Chuny said:
That's true indeed.
For further proof all you need to do is (on PC) get Nesa's tool and modules which allow you to set any game speed (like literally any speed, not just -1 -2 0 +1 +2, but also beyond that and the in-betweens) and you'll start to see some weird funny things happening. Like a very slow balls getting through between the keepers hands thus resulting in a goal. A mistimed cross that ends up in the back of the net even though the keeper showed up in time to catch it. Etc
That just goes to show that everything is tied up together with very thing strings.
Once I saw this and tested it to the limit, I understood why we will never have gameplay sliders. At least not until there's a new engine, and a game from 0. They just can't add gameplay sliders. In fact, they can't tweak the gameplay much more than this. I don't know who they'll do to stretch this engine and this game for another year or two until there's a new engine.

Now that I think about it, it makes perfect sense. They said next year they will focus on Master League, Presentation, Atmosphere, etc. Because there's not much else they can do gameplay related, precisely because of what I described above.



You know, I have been asking myself that very question. Why release the game so much early? Why the rush?.
A game like PES could benefit from taking two more months (as opposed to one less) and work on menus, presentation, atmosphere and include more content right from the start instead of waiting for a DLC. So there must be some other reason behind it.
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I'd buy it right away if it was out, always hoped them both would have the games ready by the start of the premiership. As long as they fixed any bugs that the community's found. Like game comes out, people find a bug in ML, fixed and fix released within a day or so. Ah dreams
 
P34SEMM said:
This is where Konami annoy. They are releasing game earlier than ever but as usual you are getting a half finished game.
Why not release in Oct and have everything you need to make game completely done.
People who support Rangers are having to wait a possible 6 weeks to get their stadium if previous years are anything to go buy.
Complete the game and release it. Not before.
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Well it's probably more of a business decision regarding the release date. Getting the game out when the demand for a brand new football game and before the cash cow that is FIFA releases would be a huge sales advantage when coinciding with the start of the new domestic seasons.

As far as why the Stadia is DLC? There's probably a developmental reason behind it.. I'm just freestyling but I imagine;

Small dev/art team
Greater graphical fidelity means longer production on new stadiums
Probably acquired partnership deal later in dev cycle meaning it wouldn't be ready for games production cutoff

Yeah it'd be ideal if it came with everything out of the box but it could (And has been) be worse (Last seasons rosters with no update for months anyone?). we can't have our cake and eat with PES these days but they're working really fucking hard.

Not to mention, the DLC is free. How many other current gen games wouldn't have locked that kind of content behind a paywall and called a pre-order bonus or slapped it under a season pass?
 
PRO_TOO said:
thanks @NIK778899 and @majuh for the answers!
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PRO_TOO said:
does anyone here know if the pesmaster kit creator will get updated for 2019? or is it possible to edit kits on the website with the 2018 kit creator and use them in 2019??
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The kit template has barely changed from the 2018 one, so most editors as confident that any kits created in 2018 should he fine.
I tested a 2019 kit on 2018 and it was fine also, so I've gone ahead and started making kits.
 
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