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PRO_TOO said:

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I liked that first video. Germany keeping more of the posession, like they do in real life, and France on the counter for the most part, like in real life. I didn't like that Germany's best chances came through chipped through balls, and Neuer's fuck up in the first goal (in FIFA even if you stop pressing the button to rush out the keeper, it still smart enough to stand in good positioning, here the goalkeeper runs away from the ball instead of backtracking with his back to the goal). In the second half Germany were slightly more direct, and quicker on the passes. Ozil was very good at turning and Werner at holding up the ball. Good stuff there. It was nice to see the French pace come to play too. The guy playing with France ended up trying to hold the ball more to waste time, but he wasn't comfortable doing that, and ended up losing the ball in dangerous spots. He likely would have been better served by digging in and getting numbers back instead. He did that much better in the first half.

All in all, looks fun to me. And I've been very critical of PES the past few years. Hopefully this will feel good in our hands too.
 
Any news about two new leagues guys? Konami still doesnt say any word about new leagues :/
 
PRO_TOO said:
Get you. But I think it’s down to what you said: difficulty lvl and PA! Plus the style of play. This is a perfect example of what I don’t want to see or play in PES!!

Really. This is the best example of what I don’t like. Fast paced, always forward game style. They play such a fast unrealistic short pass game, it lets the game look worse. Then there is always the same
amount of power they put in. The same tricky short lob they play, the finish with Mbappé is such a generic button combo, they probably did it 1 mio times. And that’s it. They use a limited range of button inputs (and that’s their skill!!!^^) to the max (they know their stuff for sure) all the time. Attacking patterns are nearly the same all the time. It’s crazy in my eyes.
btw: it’s nice to use the keeper manual in last moment 1on1‘s. But look at it. The pros can’t handle that (don’t want to?)?! They just select the keeper to let him run around foolish for like 2 meter. That speaks volumes.

Im free to say if I like their play style and I don’t. I would go so far to say it’s worse than mine. I might not know the exact power or button input at the right time, but I do try to replicate the real sport with all its glory. They just want to win by using some of the core mechanics in the game to the max. And it looks ugly, IMO!

I like the trash talk tough. :) we do that when playing local at my place.
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it was E3 code they were playing on, and compared to PES2018, this 2v2 match was much better, I should have been a bit more specific but the battles in midfield, the interceptions, the passing and communication and combinations between players were very good.

Also in a 2v2 or 3v3 for that matter you wouldn't see more steady football due to the nature of four players overall switching and taking control of AI players (simultaneously), so they tend to look a bit chaotic but this match was a pretty good one in the circumstances.

and yes your free to say if you didn't like what you saw, your one of the few guys on here I don't mind opening up with.

roll on PES2019 eh?
 
I'm currently doing an option file for PES 3 pc (for the PES-Retro thread), and... Here is i've found:

http://www.neoseeker.com/forums/6061/t428910-finally-got-penalty/

"After 3 seasons of ML, i've finally got a penalty!"
This thread dates to > 25 august 2004
So, yes, there's less fouls, but penalties remains the same as current PES...
Just to say: it's probably a very very long date issue. I don't remember neither having many penalties, perhaps one or two against the CPU in my whole PES experience.
My longest ML play was on PES 2 and PES 5 if i remember well.

The "no fouls/penalties" talks was boring me so much at a certain point that i didn't participate to the debate, not that i don't care, but it was too much (exagerations, mocking, Konami is s*** usual same jokes from 10 years...)
But i've found that in fact: nothing as changed, but it's like we, people, have discovered this only two or three years ago.
 
Chris Davies said:
Surely every Liverpool fan wants to see Salah on that cover front and centre! It's bizarre to me!

At least they didn't put Karius on there...
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I'm a Liverpool fan and I just don't get the desire to have this. It's not like you go showing off your game cover, it just sits in a drawer.
 
NIK778899 said:
I'm a Liverpool fan and I just don't get the desire to have this. It's not like you go showing off your game cover, it just sits in a drawer.
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Oh I agree. It's like being given the choice of coffee in a blue cup or a red cup.

But if I'm at the till and there's a version with my local club's players on, sure, I'll have that instead (if it doesn't cost any more money, and it's in stock). Even if I never see it again.

But Salah is without a shadow of a doubt LFC's big hero. I wonder if it's an image rights thing and the others' agents charge less... (Thinking about it, it's going to be that, isn't it.)
 
vialli82 said:
I'm currently doing an option file for PES 3 pc (for the PES-Retro thread), and... Here is i've found:

http://www.neoseeker.com/forums/6061/t428910-finally-got-penalty/

"After 3 seasons of ML, i've finally got a penalty!"
This thread dates to > 25 august 2004
So, yes, there's less fouls, but penalties remains the same as current PES...
Just to say: it's probably a very very long date issue. I don't remember neither having many penalties, perhaps one or two against the CPU in my whole PES experience.
My longest ML play was on PES 2 and PES 5 if i remember well.

The "no fouls/penalties" talks was boring me so much at a certain point that i didn't participate to the debate, not that i don't care, but it was too much (exagerations, mocking, Konami is s*** usual same jokes from 10 years...)
But i've found that in fact: nothing as changed, but it's like we, people, have discovered this only two or three years ago.
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32 games in on my Pes 13 ML,4 pens so far for me.
It's obviously how you play the game Vs how/if you get pens or not.
Problem is with 16-17-18 is that they've removed sloppy tackling and aggression,which means every time your in the box,they don't tackle,or if they do,it's 99,9% accurate,so there's never any contact leading to pens.
What differs is Pes 17,where you have plenty of fouls,but very rarely pens.

To me it's a lack of fundamentals,or/and a step tw the online/eSports where pens and freekicks aren't interesting.
And I think konami has lost it completely,a football game without pens and/or freekicks aren't a football game to me.
More of a 5 a side but on a big pitch.
Pes 19 may look superb and play superb,but without what I mentioned,not much of a football game
 
P34SEMM said:
Looking forward to getting Alisson on the squad updates in November! :D

In all seriousness how long does it take Konami to update squads now?
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I don't know this for sure but especially with how early copies are distributed i think we are no in a state where konami almost deliberately do not even touch the squads when the game goes gold so if stores releases the game too early or people get their hands on it quicker than they want or someone missuses their privileged of an early copy gets it, the squad will be last years.

Thanks to myclub i think within the first week we should get a transfer patch. Thing is the game is released just before the European window shuts, even if the premier league one shuts much earlier on the 9th of August.
 
Yes,as stated above.
Two new leagues,I remember them saying that it won't be until somewhere around the release when question on E3.
Think it was the American dude who said it
 
vialli82 said:
I'm currently doing an option file for PES 3 pc (for the PES-Retro thread), and... Here is i've found:

http://www.neoseeker.com/forums/6061/t428910-finally-got-penalty/

"After 3 seasons of ML, i've finally got a penalty!"
This thread dates to > 25 august 2004
So, yes, there's less fouls, but penalties remains the same as current PES...
Just to say: it's probably a very very long date issue. I don't remember neither having many penalties, perhaps one or two against the CPU in my whole PES experience.
My longest ML play was on PES 2 and PES 5 if i remember well.

The "no fouls/penalties" talks was boring me so much at a certain point that i didn't participate to the debate, not that i don't care, but it was too much (exagerations, mocking, Konami is s*** usual same jokes from 10 years...)
But i've found that in fact: nothing as changed, but it's like we, people, have discovered this only two or three years ago.
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I hope you will share the pes3 option file then :)
 
klashman69 said:
I don't know this for sure but especially with how early copies are distributed i think we are no in a state where konami almost deliberately do not even touch the squads when the game goes gold so if stores releases the game too early or people get their hands on it quicker than they want or someone missuses their privileged of an early copy gets it, the squad will be last years.

Thanks to myclub i think within the first week we should get a transfer patch. Thing is the game is released just before the European window shuts, even if the premier league one shuts much earlier on the 9th of August.
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That's a point,we often bash that mode (I fucking hate it,but don't have to play it) but thanks to it,we get fresh rosters etc
 
PRO_TOO said:

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I watched this earlier on twitch. I'm excited in anticipation for this game. Watching so much CPU vs CPU of 2018 i can see already PES 2019 has fixed a number of fundamental issues so i really look forward to delivering more tactics this year on 2019. I would like to do them early but with all the changes i think testing will take a while.

What makes me smile is seeing Alguacil there, the guy who was 2nd in PES League to Etoritto who really is special at this game. A PES man through and through, not some FIFA Youtuber. This is something I spoke to Barry at PES Universe about 2 years ago and something he and i campaigned heavily on. I just hope this pays off to keep the Sidemen away and focus 100% on PES people in promotion. Right now with MyClub getting bigger and bigger, this is changing things i feel we as a PES community really need to be tighter than ever and i think for years to come in terms of feedback i think we need to be not just brutally honest but clear in what type of player you are.

Something I've noticed and i spoke to the guys about which they have told Konami is feedback is becoming more and more fractured depending on how players play. Back 10 years ago or 8 since i started to come here regularly it was a different world of football gaming. Community leaders where Kings, everything was about what was the 'sims choice' and certain ways how to play. Online was only at the beginning of catching on and mainly in FIFA.

Now online is so big you get a whole group of players who are essentially allergic to playing vs the AI, who just cant and all their focus is on online. Some want to go hard vs the CPU, You get people who play in a specific way, some play only using the broadcast camera (which i find impossible in competitive terms, I only use that when watching CPU vs CPU) You get i think more people now who don't care as much about simulation like i do.

One thing i want to see from when the demo hits and through this game is not just brutal honestly regarding the game, but please, how do you like to play? What suits you, i think people need to be also brutally honest with themselves in what they look for, how good they are which is very, important so,(can you use tricks, do you use manual passes etc..) in moving our game forward. Videos would really help, maybe we can find some more subgroups of PES players and see if there are subgroups which all want a certain change and how each of them differentiate from eachover. For example i'm unhappy with the lack of penalties in the game but online players may not moan so much about this since it's all to do with AI cheating vs the CPU on high levels. Others are unhappy with the PA3 usage in PES League, some want more depth in terms f roles in Master League whereas some want more bells and whistles.

I don't know what it is maybe I've been patching for so long but PES is becoming more our game, maybe more so this year with everything being the community only in promotion with no FIFA people in sight and i think what we need to do as a community to show our strength is to define ourselves what we want, show that and if subgroups of people with the same desires emerge clearly that feedback will go further to

Again i got high hopes for this game. I really like how its the same thing with key substantial changes in the right areas, with the release date so early, this could really bring PES on another level this year. 2018 was good, annoying in places and a total mess on release and the first patch but impoved with further patch, although it really hit a glass ceiling being on rails so much and the usual tron running problem. I personally think 2017 was better and for the time 2015.
 
rockstrongo said:
That's a point,we often bash that mode (I fucking hate it,but don't have to play it) but thanks to it,we get fresh rosters etc
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This relates heavily to my point about feedback for this year. I care little about myclub, maybe becuase I've been to 4 different countries the last 4 years and worked like crazy and put no time at all into playing online when i had life defining things to focus on. Then again if your settled in one country, online play is standard and you can't really go wrong tbh.

When it comes to master league i'm 50/50. 50% i' really unhappy with the lack of bells, whistles and functions to do along with absolutely dog poor presentation. the other 50% i do really like the programming, its solid playing master league which is something PES dosen't rally get much credit for compared to the other game which is littered with bugs which break the game at times, literally stop dead broken. Only programming issue i have with master league i the ridiculous transfers last year, they are so bizarre. One team in 2 seasons sells the entire team and has a new unrecognisable squad and another barely changes at all.
 
rockstrongo said:
32 games in on my Pes 13 ML,4 pens so far for me.
It's obviously how you play the game Vs how/if you get pens or not.
Problem is with 16-17-18 is that they've removed sloppy tackling and aggression,which means every time your in the box,they don't tackle,or if they do,it's 99,9% accurate,so there's never any contact leading to pens.
What differs is Pes 17,where you have plenty of fouls,but very rarely pens.

To me it's a lack of fundamentals,or/and a step tw the online/eSports where pens and freekicks aren't interesting.
And I think konami has lost it completely,a football game without pens and/or freekicks aren't a football game to me.
More of a 5 a side but on a big pitch.
Pes 19 may look superb and play superb,but without what I mentioned,not much of a football game
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I agree with You Rockstrongo,how can any game maker remove or nullify a true playable element of any sports game?

FI without pitstops?
Cricket without stumping?
Golf without bunkers?

It just does not cut the ice with me either.

Why have a common element of any sport as a programmed rarity in a game?
 
klashman69 said:
This relates heavily to my point about feedback for this year. I care little about myclub, maybe becuase I've been to 4 different countries the last 4 years and worked like crazy and put no time at all into playing online when i had life defining things to focus on. Then again if your settled in one country, online play is standard and you can't really go wrong tbh.

When it comes to master league i'm 50/50. 50% i' really unhappy with the lack of bells, whistles and functions to do along with absolutely dog poor presentation. the other 50% i do really like the programming, its solid playing master league which is something PES dosen't rally get much credit for compared to the other game which is littered with bugs which break the game at times, literally stop dead broken. Only programming issue i have with master league i the ridiculous transfers last year, they are so bizarre. One team in 2 seasons sells the entire team and has a new unrecognisable squad and another barely changes at all.
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I wished we still had the option of low-normal- high transfer frequency,if set to low-normal,you'd still have teams being life-like to what they are IRL.
Played to few ML seasons on 18,mainly gameplay issues for me,but also a bit dull.
Liked the layout of 16-17 though.
Good points on Myclub mate
 
superleeds1 said:
I agree with You Rockstrongo,how can any game maker remove or nullify a true playable element of any sports game?

FI without pitstops?
Cricket without stumping?
Golf without bunkers?

It just does not cut the ice with me either.

Why have a common element of any sport as a programmed rarity in a game?
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Solid arguments mate,you lost me on the cricket thing though:)

Yes,funny you should mentioned F1,I'm hooked on F1 2017,picked it up a few days ago on a massive Xbox sale.
In that game,just like on NHL (your turn to be lost) and NBA,you have options ranging from very very casual/newbie arcade to insane SIM.
One thing doesn't have to lead to something else being taken away.
Just program the game properly,add SIM/online settings.
We already have gamespeed and difficulty options.
Everyone wins!

But it needs to be programmed properly without shortcuts etc.

Ps saw a documentary on cricket explaining it,I tried @superleeds1 ,but it didn't stick!
 
rockstrongo said:
Solid arguments mate,you lost me on the cricket thing though:)

Yes,funny you should mentioned F1,I'm hooked on F1 2017,picked it up a few days ago on a massive Xbox sale.
In that game,just like on NHL (your turn to be lost) and NBA,you have options ranging from very very casual/newbie arcade to insane SIM.
One thing doesn't have to lead to something else bring taken away.
Just program the game properly,add SIM/online settings.
We already have gamespeed and difficulty options.
Everyone wins!

But it needs to be programmed properly without shortcuts etc.

Ps saw a documentary on cricket explaining it,I tried @superleeds1 ,but it didn't stick!
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F1 2017 an ''Insane SIM'' Give me a break As a Sim racer I hate that Mainstream racing game
 
103SpooKy said:
F1 2017 an ''Insane SIM'' Give me a break As a Sim racer I hate that Mainstream racing game
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I did refer to two other games as well right?
And for me the options in that game is SIM enough,plus codemaster are pretty solid in that department (Dirt?)
Have no idea what your preferences are,racing chair/wheel?
 
@rockstrongo : i don't disagree with you, but i didn't have played PES 2013 at the time mainly because i wanted another "real" physical engine and not a PS2.5 one, so i've played Fifa 13 instead.
When i said 2.5, it's just to say that it's the PS2 based engine, but much more algorithms... PES 2008 to 2010 was totally PS2.0.

... Perhaps the PES 2011-2013 era is the response, and not PES3/4/5/6 which have even more fouls?
What does those games have that special about fouls/penalties? There was less contacts and falling players than in PS2 era, and much more space too.
I don't really have the answers, perhaps what we think as something good was something unmastered, when Konami have programmed the CPU reactions, a little "bug" we could say
 
vialli82 said:
@rockstrongo : i don't disagree with you, but i didn't have played PES 2013 at the time mainly because i wanted another "real" physical engine and not a PS2.5 one, so i've played Fifa 13 instead.
When i said 2.5, it's just to say that it's the PS2 based engine, but much more algorithms... PES 2008 to 2010 was totally PS2.0.

... Perhaps the PES 2011-2013 era is the response, and not PES3/4/5/6 which have even more fouls?
What does those games have that special about fouls/penalties? There was less contacts and falling players than in PS2 era, and much more space too.
I don't really have the answers, perhaps what we think as something good was something unmastered, when Konami have programmed the CPU reactions, a little "bug" we could say
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Must be a random thing in them.
I think it weird that they've removed it from more modern games.
But seeing the rise of eSports I completely understand why.
Keep games flowing.
Since both games have gone in the same direction it's kinda obvious that "fluid" games without interruption.
Should be an option for us who doesn't want it
 
Chris Davies said:
Oh I agree. It's like being given the choice of coffee in a blue cup or a red cup.

But if I'm at the till and there's a version with my local club's players on, sure, I'll have that instead (if it doesn't cost any more money, and it's in stock). Even if I never see it again.

But Salah is without a shadow of a doubt LFC's big hero. I wonder if it's an image rights thing and the others' agents charge less... (Thinking about it, it's going to be that, isn't it.)
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Oh yeah, to be fair you're right there. If it was on the shelf in front of me with the normal one for the same price I'd definitely buy it.

Could be right about that too, although I guess it depends on whether they need to pay the players or not.
 
I remember well with my X360 that i doesn't wanted to play offline anymore: online competitions was the only thing that i, and many, many members in the past thinked the same: Konami should focus on online...

I don't think we're wrong, but it's not a reason to left offline behind, because times have changed too since the "online revolution".
Many gamers are used to online, it's not fresh anymore. Young people have grown up with this.
There's cheaters, frustation, and now the vs CPU.
Not only we, old school players from 30 to XX years old, but offline modes are played more and more years after years, not only by casual players, due to several reason...
Needs to change, less "frustrating", competition with yourselve and approximatively fair, no pressure or players doing always the same thing all the match etc. etc. very long list)

But it still, for me, the best way to play PES is IRL 1vs1 friendly tournament. I'm very sad that as we get older, those kind of tournament with friend doesn't exist anymore... For me at least, everybody have left the "playing PES IRL" boat
 
Chuny said:
That's like saying "hey if you don't like dogs barking, don't get a dog!" - Yeah right... like neighbour's dog didn't bark all night anyways.
Backheels happen whether you intend to perform them or not. I play full manual and often times, more than I would have wanted it to happen, when I was trying to pass the ball to a team-mate that's just A LITTLE behind me, to one of the sides, instead of the player passing it with the outside of the foot, or rotating his torso and passing it with the inside of the foot, he'd just do that annoying backheel. That and countless other times and occasions in which it just felt WRONG. Like, they forgot to add an animation for those situations. So they put a band aid to stop the bleeding of a gunshot. Nuts right?
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That's a great rebuttal of the truly fatuous argument "if you don't like backheels don't do them". And yet it doesn't even factor in the AI who you can bet decent money will be doing them left, right and center. The worst thing about backheels is as you say, it's both a band-aid in place of more suitable, situational animations, but perhaps worse an obvious design decision towards "maintaining the ebb and flow". Because clearly it would be terrible if you had to take a fraction of a second to turn before passing. This combined with the absence of fouls and free kicks is ruinous to any pretense of realism.
 
stupidusername said:
That's a great rebuttal of the truly fatuous argument "if you don't like backheels don't do them". And yet it doesn't even factor in the AI who you can bet decent money will be doing them left, right and center. The worst thing about backheels is as you say, it's both a band-aid in place of more suitable, situational animations, but perhaps worse an obvious design decision towards "maintaining the ebb and flow". Because clearly it would be terrible if you had to take a fraction of a second to turn before passing. This combined with the absence of fouls and free kicks is ruinous to any pretense of realism.
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Like slowing down in an arcade racing game when you can just crash into a wall and use nitro to actually get through faster.
 
stupidusername said:
That's a great rebuttal of the truly fatuous argument "if you don't like backheels don't do them". And yet it doesn't even factor in the AI who you can bet decent money will be doing them left, right and center. The worst thing about backheels is as you say, it's both a band-aid in place of more suitable, situational animations, but perhaps worse an obvious design decision towards "maintaining the ebb and flow". Because clearly it would be terrible if you had to take a fraction of a second to turn before passing. This combined with the absence of fouls and free kicks is ruinous to any pretense of realism.
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Who needs modern football games when we have Air-hockey?
 
rockstrongo said:
I wished we still had the option of low-normal- high transfer frequency,if set to low-normal,you'd still have teams being life-like to what they are IRL.
Played to few ML seasons on 18,mainly gameplay issues for me,but also a bit dull.
Liked the layout of 16-17 though.
Good points on Myclub mate
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We used to but it was again stupid and ridiculous because it had little to no effect. which annoyed me. I think it was for PES 2012-2013 but on those games there really wasn't much transfer activity.
 
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