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gabe.paul.logan said:
Yeah penalties should be reworked. I would love to have a mini game esque shoot out. Something like FIFA has now but yet something different.
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Just think about the suspense, excitement and all those emotions that we have seen in the World Cup penalty shootouts. They're DRAMA. Why do we have to accept that kind of fast-paced arcade crap that lasts only a minute or two? Why can't we watch the replays of our kicks, why can't we have have clips of other players, coaches and the crowd... and their emotional reactions between the kicks, etc?

Decent penalty shootout simulation would last at least 5-6 minutes. If you don't want to watch the cutscenes, you could skip them just like all other cutscenes.
 
Well, they advertised not one, but two ""new"" Penalty kick related abilities; I don't know what will happen with fouls in general, but given this I want to believe that at the least we'll see penalties here and there.. it would be grotesque to announce with emphasis those specific skills and having the situation in this regard stay exactly the same as the last year.. not saying it's impossible, of course.
 
Madmac79 said:
Well, they advertised not one, but two ""new"" Penalty kick related abilities; I don't know what will happen with fouls in general, but given this I want to believe that at the least we'll see penalties here and there.. it would be grotesque to announce with emphasis those specific skills and having the situation in this regard stay exactly the same as the last year.. not saying it's impossible, of course.
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For those penalty shootouts after a 5-5 draw.
 
its999maggle said:
For those penalty shootouts after a 5-5 draw.
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Yeah, it's very possible that it's how they tought it, indeed. But I think the irony of having, again, 1 penalty in 200 hours of game despite those abilities would still strike them strong all the same.
 
Gunslinger said:
"I fondly remember handballs in PES4 so would welcome their return.":CONF:
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same here mate

chiefrocka4real said:
Imagine an exciting online match against a player on the same level as you.
You are focused and play very cautious, a few missed shots, parries etc and then CPU decides the winner with a handball in the box leading to a penalty...

No way!

There are enough other frustrating things.
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I wouldn't mind that because playing online against another human should be fun but at the same time you should have that fear factor, where you know there's that chance something could go for you or against you, this is the excitement of football.

Handballs should be balanced so that penalty kicks caused by a handball should be pretty rare or you see a handball but the ref does not see it, the commentator could say "it was a handball but the ref didn't see it".

this would add to the drama.
 
Madmac79 said:
Well, they advertised not one, but two ""new"" Penalty kick related abilities; I don't know what will happen with fouls in general, but given this I want to believe that at the least we'll see penalties here and there.. it would be grotesque to announce with emphasis those specific skills and having the situation in this regard stay exactly the same as the last year.. not saying it's impossible, of course.
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they announced a new free kick and penalty system last year, which was implemented, but look what happened for single players
 
PES_Danielrh said:
same here mate



I wouldn't mind that because playing online against another human should be fun but at the same time you should have that fear factor, where you know there's that chance something could go for you or against you, this is the excitement of football.

Handballs should be balanced so that penalty kicks caused by a handball should be pretty rare or you see a handball but the ref does not see it, the commentator could say "it was a handball but the ref didn't see it".

this would add to the drama.
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This I like.
 
El Pajaro said:
Just think about the suspense, excitement and all those emotions that we have seen in the World Cup penalty shootouts. They're DRAMA. Why do we have to accept that kind of fast-paced arcade crap that lasts only a minute or two? Why can't we watch the replays of our kicks, why can't we have have clips of other players, coaches and the crowd... and their emotional reactions between the kicks, etc?

Decent penalty shootout simulation would last at least 5-6 minutes. If you don't want to watch the cutscenes, you could skip them just like all other cutscenes.
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A half's 5 minute long on default settings, but yeah, there should be at least an option to do this.
 
chiefrocka4real said:
Imagine an exciting online match against a player on the same level as you.
You are focused and play very cautious, a few missed shots, parries etc and then CPU decides the winner with a handball in the box leading to a penalty...

No way!

There are enough other frustrating things.
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I always play with hand ball off in fifa since we and hardly the ref nowadays knows what hand ball is,just getting the ball on the hand isn't always a foul.
If they can't handle it 100% in real life,neither will Konami and ea
I'm with you
 
PES_Danielrh said:
same here mate



I wouldn't mind that because playing online against another human should be fun but at the same time you should have that fear factor, where you know there's that chance something could go for you or against you, this is the excitement of football.

Handballs should be balanced so that penalty kicks caused by a handball should be pretty rare or you see a handball but the ref does not see it, the commentator could say "it was a handball but the ref didn't see it".

this would add to the drama.
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Should be fun yeah and mostly is.
But again, this is something controlled by the CPU, not by us humans.

I remember matches, having with my cousin from London who stayed at my place for a couple of days.
We played match after match till 5 am in the morning.
One match was more exciting than the other, because we were kinda on the same skill level. We were so concentrated, not trying to make any mistake in defending and the scores never been that high, more like 1:0,2:1 etc.
Now, if handball had been added and happened in the box leading to a penalty, we surely would have aborted the whole match, cause that's not fun.
We were trying to win with nice pass combinations, great shots, tactical decisions but not with a decision from the CPU.
I mean, each to their own, but handball is the last thing I want in this game.
And if, then with a global option only to deactivate it.
 
chiefrocka4real said:
Should be fun yeah and mostly is.
But again, this is something controlled by the CPU, not by us humans.

I remember matches, having with my cousin from London who stayed at my place for a couple of days.
We played match after match till 5 am in the morning.
One match was more exciting than the other, because we were kinda on the same skill level. We were so concentrated, not trying to make any mistake in defending and the scores never been that high, more like 1:0,2:1 etc.
Now, if handball had been added and happened in the box leading to a penalty, we surely would have aborted the whole match, cause that's not fun.
We were trying to win with nice pass combinations, great shots, tactical decisions but not with a decision from the CPU.
I mean, each to their own, but handball is the last thing I want in this game.
And if, then with a global option only to deactivate it.
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Nice one - as for my family members the winner who received the penalty from a handball would have gleefully put the ball in tha back of the net and proceeded to take the piss out of the loser (in a friendly banter sort of way ... just in case anybody thought differently).

In my family (and even at work) we have big rivalries and always look to get the win, and the mickey taking would serve as mind games (get in the head of your opponent).

I get what you saying but handballs are part of football, it does happen so for offline yes an option to turn it off would be fine, but they would work best if they are very rare occurrences.
 
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PES_Danielrh said:
Nice one - as for my family members the winner who received the penalty from a handball would have gleefully put the ball in tha back of the net and proceeded to take the piss out of the loser (in a friendly banter sort of way ... just in case anybody thought differently).

In my family (and even at work) we have big rivalries and always look to get the win, and the mickey taking would serve as mind games (get in the head of your opponent).

I get what you saying but handballs are part of football, it does happen so for offline yes an option to turn it off would be fine, but they would work best if they are very rare occurrences.
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As rare as penalties right now.
 
Gunslinger said:
I played WE8 that year, which was the same as PES 4 I think, and I don't remember handballs in that at all. Still, many years ago now.
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Eurogamer said:
Elsewhere on the field, referees are allegedly improved for PES3, playing the advantage rule (even if they don't generally pull the play back, ever, and the addition of handball is arbitrary to the point of frustration), volleys are much more dynamic and dangerous, players don't stand around as much, and - perhaps the most important improvement over PES2 - the ball doesn't pinball around the midfield when legs are flying, thanks in part to the expansive range of abilities available to each player.
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Yeah an option on/off for handballs would be the best so everyone can choose what they like.
I personally would like to have them and when i play Fifa i always have them on,even for penalties.
It's kinda random but still it's more realistic for me to have them even like this,than to not have them at all.
It's unrealistic to see a replay where the player jumps for a header for example but misjudges it and the ball hits his hand,to not have a foul given for that just because you have them off or the game can't ''read'' them at all.

You can't control it,but still i like it.As long as it happens quite rarely as it should.
It gives a feeling that the game is more advanced and deep and take consideration of even details like these.
The thing is that the clipping issues in Fifa are better than in Pes.Their engine ''reads'' better even little collisions and have a loose and free feel on these things,so it can detect better,things like handballs.
In Pes it's too rigid and grammical and sometimes you see hands and feet of players go into the opponent's body or the ball.In live game it's not so noticeable but in replays you can see some ridiculous stuff like a whole leg being stuck in a chest or a head.That's some freaky shit lol.
So they have to fix these clipping and collision issues first and make it able to ''read'' more situations in order to consider to implement a thing like handballs.

To be honest i don't expect much improvement in things like less rigid and robotic movement and collisions,weird shooting etc until they introduce a new engine.Fox is a stiff and ''wood-like'' engine and feels limited enough and kinda cheap and outdated.It brought some things that i like much like heaviness and inertia but it has also some annoying things and i think they should change to a trully next gen engine soon enough to really evolve.
Yeah they always say that they keep expanding it and discover new things etc but in general it just feels limited and low budget.We won't see real evolution until it's changed.And it has to at some point,we're nearlly at the year 2020 for fuck sake.

Having said that,in general i still prefer it gameplaywise to what options we have today.
 
Yeah, maybe I shouldn't have been so specific when I said pes4 but I do fondly remember handballs being in the game. (Whether it was pes3 or pes4). For me, it felt that they happened so rarely that when they did and you looked at the replay and thought fair enough.

But, I reiterate, understandably it's not for everyone and as Dennis says, it would be nice for it to be an option and of course I understand that there are things that should be prioritised before handballs. My biggest issue with konami is that lots of things were in the game back in the day and although it's easy to say, 'just pop this or that back in', it's still difficult and frustrating to understand why so many things aren't part of the modern day pes when they were 10-15 years ago.

Edit: Maybe I've got my versions confused (again?!) but maybe I was thinking about PES4 which had the great addition where when a player went down injured and the ball went out, the crowd would boo if you didn't throw it back to the opposing team. There was definitely something like that around that time. A really great little thing which at the time made pes a clear winner.
 
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PES_Danielrh said:
true mate, its all about the football on the pitch



waiting for the Pre-season tour (newer code)



how about be a ball boy? :D..... and with that see ya's later .... com'on ENGLAND !!
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We actually need ball boys. Seems like a simple addition. One of the things I actually like from the other game is that immersion isn’t broken with black screens and players magicaly moved around. Ball gets thrown to player to throw in or kicked to the comet flag. Players actually move to where they need to be while you see a replay or stat overlay. Would enhance master league quite a bit in my opinion.
 
2 things i hope they get right or better - fouls that has been talked to death and i dont really have much hope
Team individuality where stats matter - played Saudi Arabia last night on 2018 top level (PA1 to try and get some individuality) They beat me 4-1. I don't mind losing but it's the way i lost -
-2 centre backs appeared to both step up at the same time allowing loads of space for their forward to drift in behind and go through one on one. It really did look like it was done on purpose.
- Saudi Arabia passing for most of the match was like Barcelona on a good day - no missed passes, perfect first touches, perfect flicks and backheels.
- Finishing - Same again - made loads of chances and scored four

I was Brazil and they just matched me player for player
 
Malcolm9 said:
Before we talk about adding handballs and ball boys, can we ask for the basics to be right first.
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Yes, getting AI positioning and aggression right should be priority number one. It should be the first and last thing a Konami dev should think of each day. The times when goal nets and graphics were the only deficits are gone for years.
 
Yeah they are still living in the past where the argument was always about the gameplay being far more superior. Not the case anymore
 
Yeah all other stuff is not something that will really add to realism if they don`t get the basics right. I am not sure they were after ps2 era. To be honest from all videos I saw I am really excited about ball physics, that makes tremendously big difference how gameplay and flow generally feels. I am optimistic from what I saw but will judge the game for myself when I play the demo. One thing I am afraid of is that no matter what we say Konami always take something good from the game that we really appreciate. I hope for the best :)
 
I still think VAR room mode would be a fun little addition to the game. They could even show newspaper clippings after the match showing the controversy caused by your decisions.

I'd also like to see corner flag mode, where you get to spectate the game from the perspective of a corner flag. Imagine the thrill of being picked up by a player during their celebration? They could even have custom skins for different flags so it has microtransaction potential.

If they added this I do hope they increase the zoom on broadcast camera so we can see the fine details of the fabrics.
 
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