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Free as a fuckin' caged bird most likely...lol

In one of the recent videos where Asim was commentating,they were predicting who will win etc and he says 4-3 for this guy..
The fact that they expect a 10 min or even less match to end 4-3 just says a lot about what these guys enjoy and want from their game and what are their priorities and why the game is how it is..

About something else..This celebration thing where every player has the same height is just ridiculous..
Makes you want to skip it instead of watching it..It's probably because all these cutscenes are prerendered with default models so it shows them like that..They should find a way to fix this because seeing Pogba with Kante or Busquets with Messi side by side celebrating and having the same height just looks pretty pathetic and super fake.
I'm not sure if this is the case in Fifa also..Can someone confirm?
 
Chuny said:
Oh I'm not talking about tastes here.
I'm talking about things that will be undeniable TRUE OR FALSE.
Catch up bug.
PA 1 = Almost Manual.
Those kind of things.
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Catch up bug gone but it is balanced with if a defender is in the right position he will go for the tackle.

PA1 free - in your first match you'll act as if you would do on PES2018 and you see you pass get over hit or under it then you'll think damn better slow this down and pass carefully.

see you wednesday
 
Dennis_87 said:
Free as a fuckin' caged bird most likely...lol

In one of the recent videos where Asim was commentating,they were predicting who will win etc and he says 4-3 for this guy..
The fact that they expect a 10 min or even less match to end 4-3 just says a lot about what these guys enjoy and want from their game and what are their priorities and why the game is how it is..

About something else..This celebration thing where every player has the same height is just ridiculous..
Makes you want to skip it instead of watching it..It's probably because all these cutscenes are prerendered with default models so it shows them like that..They should find a way to fix this because seeing Pogba with Kante or Busquets with Messi side by side celebrating and having the same height just looks pretty pathetic and super fake.
I'm not sure if this is the case in Fifa also..Can someone confirm?
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not what I experienced.

unfortunately defending is like what we saw in the PES2018 online beta, squeezing the pressure button will cause you to leave gaps for the opposition to exploit, hell I lost to TheVernimator (PES streamer, from PESUniverse) 5 -0 for that very reason me squeezing the pressure button and plus he's a fantastic dribbler so I panicked.

so of course there were high scoreline due to people getting to grips with the defending and if your playing someone who's already been to windsor and played E3 code they already know what to expect.

and if your taking about a co-op match these are high scoring to players having to switch between players
 
Without being disparaging, I'm very much taking Daniel's posts with a pinch of salt - some rather bold statements in here and let's just say we've been stung by his over-exaggeration before.

Hoping the videos I've seen haven't done it justice at all, but I guess we'll get a semblance of how the game plays on Wednesday.
 
I can see the game being nothing like the hyped up statements and the excuse will be "Well this is what I saw in the event they probably changed it" Just like the Beta situation last year.

Thank god the videos are already showing us no fouls,poor gk,assisted PA1 and catch up bug.

Just a prediction based on 3 years of the poor track record of Konami.

Roll on the demo can't wait for the truth!
 
fregen said:
I play NHL from time to time and they have 4 playing types, Rookie, Pro, All Star and Superstar. All star is the setting for Online VS.

ONE setting.

For everything else there is friendly lobbies etc.

There at least you can say that the best Online players compete on something that look like hockey.

But the important thing is that there is ONE setting. No one complain that passing för example should be easier, they learn and try to get better. Simple really.
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To be fair, in PES, the best online players compete on something that look like hockey as well:BY:

On a serious note, I completely agree with you; how they don't have a fixed difficulty level (PA level) for competitive online play, especially esports competitions, is beyond me!
 
jh1990 said:
Without being disparaging, I'm very much taking Daniel's posts with a pinch of salt - some rather bold statements in here and let's just say we've been stung by his over-exaggeration before.

Hoping the videos I've seen haven't done it justice at all, but I guess we'll get a semblance of how the game plays on Wednesday.
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cool mate, the game is too far gone to be drastically changed with the released date so close
 
PES_Danielrh said:
scratching my head, I say free as a bird, PESEP says like manual, ThemidnightKid wrote borderline manual (on pesuniverse's write up) what say you @103SpooKy ?
the PA1 I played at Glasgow was a hell of a lot more freer than the current PA1 on PES2018, when I played PA2 with PESEP the game resembled the current PES2018 passes as accurate as ever.
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MidniteKid posted that piece, but it was written by Vern. (I presume you mean the one pasted in here recently.)

Not a coincidence that you, PESEP, and Vern all say it's like manual.

Also not a conspiracy: people socialise at events like this and end up implicitly subscribing to a joint vocabulary; it's normal in such situations to have a fairly aligned experience with others.

All the same, it pretty transparently isn't like manual.

We'll see on Wednesday anyway.
 
shez said:
I can see the game being nothing like the hyped up statements and the excuse will be "Well this is what I saw in the event they probably changed it" Just like the Beta situation last year.

Thank god the videos are already showing us no fouls,poor gk,assisted PA1 and catch up bug.

Just a prediction based on 3 years of the poor track record of Konami.

Roll on the demo can't wait for the truth!
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like I said this time the game is too far gone to be drastically changed due to the release date coming soon, this is what we'll get and any gameplay tweaks will arrive via a patch
 
Chuny said:
I don't want to discredit Daniel. In fact, I've got no solid arguments that would back me up if I did, other than he's friends with Asim and co. But I don't consider that a valid reason.

So, I hope that everything he claims becomes true to all of us on Wednesday. Otherwise he knows all his credibility will be lost among us and he'll be considered just another guy (don't want to name anybody but we all know the 2 or 3 guys I'm referring to) doing the dirty work to try to get the next Community Manager job.
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This is a little strong, don't you think?

Also, not naming people but just giving a hint is still being personal, just in a veiled way. It's still not within the ethos of this thread.

It bears repeating, regarding these playtests: people get swept up in the communal experience, the excitement, the novelty. It inevitably colours their view of the game.

So their positive reports shouldn't be treated as absolute claims, the disproving of which renders them utterly insincere, liars, and so on.

I'm taking most claims made about PES2019 with a pinch of salt. Not gonna lord it over the people making those claims if they turn out to be exaggerated.
 
janguv said:
MidniteKid posted that piece, but it was written by Vern. (I presume you mean the one pasted in here recently.)

Not a coincidence that you, PESEP, and Vern all say it's like manual.

Also not a conspiracy: people socialise at events like this and end up implicitly subscribing to a joint vocabulary; it's normal in such situations to have a fairly aligned experience with others.

All the same, it pretty transparently isn't like manual.

We'll see on Wednesday anyway.
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people talk yes but we all like PA1 in that room ask anybody who was there, they say the same thing.
 
PES_Danielrh said:
not same as last year - this is a new game and I spoke about what I played. if the game was crap I won't have bothered logging on here to say anything.
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Different words; same bold statements though. As I said, roll on the demo so we can all judge for ourselves whether passing is indeed as free as you claim.
 
orangebard said:
Wait, are you saying that shot accuracy is based upon the pass assistance level?
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needs testing further but PA1 the shooting had that contextual element going on, PA2 the passing build up and shooting was just like the current PES2018, properly based around passing accuracy being up for PA2
 
janguv said:
It is, indirectly. I don't know if this is what he's referring to, but given the contextual elements that comprise the conditions for a good shot, if the ball is received more easily, the shot gets off without as much trouble.
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A large portion of the shoots happens when the player already has possession of the ball from some time. How is PA1 or PA2 supposed to influence that?

If anything it regards only first touch shooting and I'd say, always taking for true all this stuff, that it would be more a matter of body positioning than passing style.
 
Madmac79 said:
A large portion of the shoots happens when the player already has possession of the ball from some time. How is PA1 or PA2 supposed to influence that?

If anything it regards only first touch shooting and I'd say, always taking for true all this stuff, that it would be more a matter of body positioning than passing style.
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If you're already settled and balanced, should make zero difference. If it does, it's broken.

But it doesn't have to be first touch to have an effect. PA2 currently on 2018 is so OP that you can control a ball really quickly and get the shot off with second or third touch. That's why I said PA level indirectly affects shooting accuracy.
 
janguv said:
It is, indirectly. I don't know if this is what he's referring to, but given the contextual elements that comprise the conditions for a good shot, if the ball is received more easily, the shot gets off without as much trouble.
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This feels like a bit of a stretch to justify/explain the situation and as madmac has said, you are in possession of the ball by the time you shoot. Daniel's explanation makes more sense but it'd be good to get an official word if this is the case, this would be a significant change.
 
janguv said:
This is a little strong, don't you think?

Also, not naming people but just giving a hint is still being personal, just in a veiled way. It's still not within the ethos of this thread.

It bears repeating, regarding these playtests: people get swept up in the communal experience, the excitement, the novelty. It inevitably colours their view of the game.

So their positive reports shouldn't be treated as absolute claims, the disproving of which renders them utterly insincere, liars, and so on.

I'm taking most claims made about PES2019 with a pinch of salt. Not gonna lord it over the people making those claims if they turn out to be exaggerated.
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No. It's not strong.
I'm not going to waste a minute explaining you why not. There are 102 pages that are pretty self explanatory.
 
janguv said:
If you're already settled and balanced, should make zero difference. If it does, it's broken.

But it doesn't have to be first touch to have an effect. PA2 currently on 2018 is so OP that you can control a ball really quickly and get the shot off with second or third touch. That's why I said PA level indirectly affects shooting accuracy.
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Well, if that's how you say, you are indeed taking less time to shoot, but it's so indirect and it has so little to do with the shot mechanic itself that I find it a GREAT stretch to say it influence shooting as a whole.

Maybe you could say it influence first touch ball control itself or dribbling and I'd be more convinced. After all on manual you used to see more control errors in 2018, if this PA1 is more free it makes sense it does something in this direction.
 
orangebard said:
This feels like a bit of a stretch to justify/explain the situation and as madmac has said, you are in possession of the ball by the time you shoot. Daniel's explanation makes more sense but it'd be good to get an official word if this is the case, this would be a significant change.
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Not trying to "justify" anything, and as I say, I didn't know why Daniel said it. Just offering a viewpoint on a common occurrence, even on 2018. Just play people online in myClub who are using PA2/3, and you quickly realise they're able to shoot much more effectively
Madmac79 said:
Well, if that's how you say, you are indeed taking less time to shoot, but it's so indirect and it has so little to do with the shot mechanic itself that I find it a GREAT stretch to say it influence shooting as a whole.

Maybe you could say it influence first touch ball control itself or dribbling and I'd be more convinced. After all on manual you used to see more control errors in 2018, if this PA1 is more free it makes sense it does something in this direction.
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I don't know who is arguing for the claim I've emboldened. Not in those terms; certainly not me. But PA2/3 does affect shooting, and it's a demonstrable effect even in PES2018.

I'm surprised that's even a remotely controversial thing to point out here. It's one of the many reasons I abhor the hand-holding assistance settings.
 
janguv said:
So I take it you still can't pass into space with X on PA1, right?
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Here's why you can't pass to a space anymore with "normal pass".
Here's why there's no freedom with the normal pass.

In PES, if your analog stick is pointing within the radius of the receiver(white circle), the pass will go directly to a player.
The only way you can pass to a space with "normal pass" is if you use L2(which makes the radius so small) or you don't point directly within any teammates radius.

The receiver's radius on PA1 is so large now since 2016(might be a lot bigger than what's in my illustration), so even if your analog stick is pointing a couple of yards away from your intended receiver, the pass will still go directly to that player.
 
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Chuny said:
No. It's not strong.
I'm not going to waste a minute explaining you why not. There are 102 pages that are pretty self explanatory.
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Each to their own, but comes across somewhat persecutory to me. Not to mention the insinuation that there are "2 or 3" people here trying to get the community manager job at Konami. By doing what, exactly? By saying nice things on a forum it's very likely Konami barely read? That's conspiracy land again.

I've said it before, but sometimes it's so bloody difficult to be positive about the game on this forum. There's loads of things I'm unsure about in this coming edition, but I'm still excited. Crazy that people can't express their positive view of the game without eliciting the snide insinuation that they're looking to work for Konami.

Can't wait for Wednesday, even if the passing still isn't free enough (as is likely), and even if there's some backheels and too few fouls.
 
Elanimator said:
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Here's why you can't pass to a space anymore with "normal pass".
Here's why there's no freedom with the normal pass.

In PES, if your analog stick is pointing within the radius of the receiver(white circle), the pass will go directly to a player. The only way you can pass to a space with "normal pass" is if you use L2 or you don't point directly to any teammates radius.

The receiver's radius on PA1 is so large now since 2016(might be a lot bigger than what's in my illustration), that even if you're analog stick pointing a couple of yards away from your intended receiver, the pass will still go directly to that player.
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I think that's spot on. It's infuriating!
 
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