PES 2019 Demo Impressions Thread

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Please tell me people aren't making excuses for the AI never dribbling with the ball!! It's a massive flaw and I'd love to know how nobody a Konami seems to have spotted it before releasing a demo... what do they do all day/week/year over there!?!
 
yes , i have never seen ai trying to dribble , allways looking for ping pong pass . i dont think it is easy fix.
 
Having played about 50 matches against Professional ai in the demo and really liking the majority of it, I am concerned one of the major flaws from 2016 has reared it's ugly head again.

The ai are scoring about 90% of their shots on target again! With the ai only seeming to want to shoot from 10 yards out and only having 1 or 2 shots against me each match, it's so frustrating to see them score with almost every shot on target. It makes having a good keeper pointless! 2018 was fine. My goalkeeper would be my hero and make loads of saves in many matches, but now they don't get to make any saves.

The ai keepers who I'm shooting against are fine, I think it's more of an issue that the ai attackers are too clinical with the 1 or 2 chances they get each match. The only time they don't score is if they have 0 shots on target. This really is game breaking and such a shame with how good this game plays and the minor annoyances from 2018 they fixed.

Anyone else seeing this issue?
 
Superhoop said:
Having played about 50 matches against Professional ai in the demo and really liking the majority of it, I am concerned one of the major flaws from 2016 has reared it's ugly head again.

The ai are scoring about 90% of their shots on target again! With the ai only seeming to want to shoot from 10 yards out and only having 1 or 2 shots against me each match, it's so frustrating to see them score with almost every shot on target. It makes having a good keeper pointless! 2018 was fine. My goalkeeper would be my hero and make loads of saves in many matches, but now they don't get to make any saves.

The ai keepers who I'm shooting against are fine, I think it's more of an issue that the ai attackers are too clinical with the 1 or 2 chances they get each match. The only time they don't score is if they have 0 shots on target. This really is game breaking and such a shame with how good this game plays and the minor annoyances from 2018 they fixed.

Anyone else seeing this issue?
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I'm having the same experience. As much as I loathed the attacking A.i last year I'd much rather have it compared to this, chipped through balls & all, at least they were at little more human like in their goalscoring methods with more variety (shooting from anywhere for example)
They are much better defensively which is a plus but also infuriating as they've made the attacking A.i somehow worse and fudged up the keepers.

Makes you wonder what the hell goes on at Konami in the space of year. How can nobody over there spot this if we can see it after a few days of a demo?
 
Every year you repeat. Each year you will be faced with precise pass Error and Shot Error . Pass Speed Shot Speed And Game Speed And No Fouls And.....

There will be these problems for years to come. The only solution is the slider. This game needs a slider. For lovers of simulator and offline you need a slider.

You saw that the critique was sharp in the Menu of the game. And the crew said that next year you will see the new menu. If the feedback on the slider is so high. The team has to add the slider to the game.

Developer PES Team They make the game between the arcade and simulator. And next year will be the same story. So for the lovers of the simulator, there will be one way sliders available.

I urge you to challenge the gamer to push the Developer Team PES this year to add slider to the game.

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Please show me this feedback to everyone. And push the Developer PES team. The team only adds to your attention the game fans will add this feature to the game.

https://twitter.com/Romell88/status/1011939462677331970

If Slider does not add to the game In PES 2020 . Again in PES 2020, these problems will be. If Slider In The Game game. We can adjust customize the parts of the game according to our interest.​
 
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ОК... With friends, we decided to play co-op today. First, we played an hour and a half on PES 2018. Everything was slow, smooth and logical.
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Then with Parsec we connector to play PES 2019, 3 vs AI co-op mode and holy shit... the difference was crazy. Maybe the right word is crazy because PES 2019 is feeling like PES 2018 escaped from a madhouse having previously overdone with Redbull. Everything felt chaotic and very fast.
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Yes, I understand that we have a quick, free and good control over the players, at least in most cases until AI decides otherwise. BUT .. at what price !? The game is funny and unrealistic fast. All this freedom is somewhat meaningless from over-assisted passes. The power you put in is no longer meaningless, everything AI decides to whom and with what strength you will pass, not you.
 
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Gunslinger said:
If I was in Adam's position and had rapport with the dev team, I'd bring in a box of donuts and say, "What's up lads. Love the game so far. Like many PES players, I love the live broadcast cam, but was just thinking is there anyway we could try it without the bits where it suddenly zooms in on the action. I think the fans would like that more. Otherwise, it's a great camera perspective."

Can't be that hard can it to fix that camera view, surely.
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Personally I'd leave those box of donuts at home, and replace them with Terry Tate and a fix list :))
Guarantee we'd get an amazing game next year. Hell we'd probably get an amazing one after the 1st patch.
 
I watch the videos with the one on one situation and i can feel your pain. It looks very bad and this is bad ai programming. I dont know how other full manual players feel about it, but the situation one on one is very rare in my games and so i dont see such situations. It very difficult to get those and when it happens then im happy about the situation itself, I'm happy about to create a chance, no bad feeling about the goalkeeper don't leave the line. Now when i see this i understand it. I hope my description is good enough. With assistance you create more chances and you see more bad things in game like i can see, because for me its challenging all the time and things like this do not disturb me. Me and a friend says that maybe the japan producer, which are specialized in producing games, they are very good when it comes to create animation or create faces...it feels like they create a game to play like you want to. Its not perfect at all but if you play manual and you learn a little bit to get into it, you can do things that never ever can create with assistance. Its not free like real manual but its so free that you can create your own way to play not that 3 passes and goal thing.i hear many people say its to difficult, but for basic things its not many hours to learn.
I dont want to condemn people to play pa 1,2 or 3 but trust me it feels so mich better and for me it's the game without limits.

* afterwards i had to say, this is not my and my friends opinion since this years version, year after year gameplaywise their philosophy is the same, they only added ne animations and better graphics. Pes 5, 6 has better ai, but this were not games for grown up people. I want to explain it better, but my english is not the beat to describe exactly what i mean, sorry for that, but i hope you understand it a little bit.
 
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Patch the one on one issue, make the goalies come off their line - add in a bit more AI variety and i'll be delighted with this years PES.
Each year there's a "gamebreaking issue" and the one-on-one is the one, i am praying it can be solved.

What baffles me is keepers in PES 2018 were excellent, i don't understand how they've been downgraded somewhat.

I'll see whether offensive GK card makes life any better - is it still in the game?

Here are some of the issues that plagued previous PES games, that were found in the demo's and retail versions.

PES 2011 had the running down the line and no-one closing you down bug.
PES 2017 - dribbling with defenders and not being closed down, OP crossing and heading
PES 2016 - goalies... and defending
PES 2018 - chipped through balls to the wing AI, player selection, tackling
PES 2014 - unresponsive, broken goalies, poor ai, poor shooting
 
Flame said:
very disappointed that the fatigue system is just some bs
several videos on youtube showed that player can still run on full speed with empty stamina
apart from showing a scene that players look like they are tired and will be injured soon
there is nothing more about the fatigue system
konami shouldn't make a big statement on it, just so annoying everytime they hype it and then collapse
if you can't deliver then just shut up and you will disappoint less people
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So what is the point of having the stamina stats? I'm confused:CONF:
 
DarthKebab said:
Just to show how bad one on ones are



Awful, this was on superstar too
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Are the chip shots still OP in this game?
Are the AI still able to score chip shots almost all the time when your GK close in on the striker?

I'm asking that because if chip shots still OP, they might have designed the keeper to counter that.

They should both fix GK and make chip shots harder.
 
Playing online games on the demo feels closer to last years beta than Pes 18, just with more fluid animations. This demo feels loose like the beta.
One of the major changes from the beta last year was how they 'tightened' everything up. Pes 18 ended up being so on rails and assisted, it nullified any chance of creativity or freedom that the beta promised.
I hope they don't go down the same route, like giving all players perfect 1st touches and nerfing the ball physics.

They have to keep momentum and scripting as far away from online as well.
 
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dalybhoy said:
Ah okay, I didn’t know about the colour thing, I’ll look out for it.



Advanced through balls are clearly assisted. I played last year using advanced through balls because I’m convinced the manual though ball mechanic is broken. I also did play Fifa pal, nothing to be ashamed of, PES has been fucking awful for 10 year.
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So I tried basic just now, there's still something very wrong with it. I can play the entire game with one button. If you play short underpowered passes, you'll notice that the defenders will ignore the ball like it isn't there. What you get is a slow ball rolling on the ground, while there are players around that ball, they just won't want to react to it (even with super cancelled). It's been wonky for a few years now. It's something they never fixed and you'll feel it on the defensive side for sure.

Edit. Also, it looks like semi-auto player switching doesn't work when basic through balls are used?
 
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Nacho10 said:
Please tell me people aren't making excuses for the AI never dribbling with the ball!! It's a massive flaw and I'd love to know how nobody a Konami seems to have spotted it before releasing a demo... what do they do all day/week/year over there!?!
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You would still have people here on the forum defend the game no matter what state it is....
 
The game that we should have had and made as final version,was pes 2017 demo, to me this was the best pes version i ever tried, it felt so good with so much variety and looser ball
 
Those that play ML, we know the bugs in 2018 negotiations:
* Release clause is non functional
* Mbappe move to minority clubs, Arsenal players got raided.
* Release clause is cheaper than players' market price, which doesn't matter because release clause is non functional.

Do we know if Bhatti or Tansir have elaborate any improvements for ML PES2019? I know the marketing campaign has been about new licensed leagues, which doesn't matter if negotiations piece is broken.

Anything that you heard or seen about the negotiations fix in 2019?
 
Is it just me or is scoring headers nearly impossible? I've created plenty of great chances from crosses, but it always results either in a limp attempt that floats straight at the keeper or high and wide, or a more powerful attempt that goes wide. I'll have Giroud completely open 4 yards from the net and he'll send it 5 yards wide.

It takes attacking options away from the final third and makes scoring against deeper defenses quite a bit harder.
 
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Is it just me or is scoring headers nearly impossible? I've created plenty of great chances from crosses, but it always results either in a limp attempt that floats straight at the keeper or high and wide, or a more powerful attempt that goes wide. I'll have Giroud completely open 4 yards from the net and he'll send it 5 yards wide.

It takes attacking options away from the final third and makes scoring against deeper defenses quite a bit harder.
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I scored three in one game last night although I agree you can miss easily but that's good, in my opinion.
 
I am playing more and with the demo I genuinely love Pes but the poor keepers and soft one one one goals ruining it. I’ve gone Manual for passing and through ball just trying to figure shooting but defo will give me more life online as long as my opponent is manual, it’s a great error ridden realistic game.

There is an issue with slide tackles they don’t work all the time it seems to be you can only use them within the proximity of about 6 feet of the ball player.
There is another issue with player switching which stops the player dead allowing the attacker to have a head start making it impossible to catch the run down the middle.

I just feel after 10 years of feedback what more do Konami want from the community if anything.

I’ve been playing the FIFA19 beta the graphics and realism are not even close Fifa is cartoon like. But the options available are really good did an FA Cup final Utd vs Liverpool the atmosphere and commentary are bang on. I just never feel worried playing Fifa about keepers or my teams. I always feel I have total control of my whole team, in Pes it’s just never there not sure if it’s a design choice or I’m that used to the Fifa way of playing footy.

Pes is the better game until it gets to the box shooting and keepers are really automated and to accurate when you shoot first time.
 
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