PES 2019 Demo Impressions Thread

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I can understand the ignorance on here for teams like Colo Colo, clearly England fans who believed all the hype about England in the World Cup. And I am English myself...

These South American sides are bloody skilful, so its bollox to say that a first time pass by a CB of theirs should go wrong 90% of the time, absolute shite.

Typically no respect for teams people havent heard of before cos they arent shown in the UK on the "telly" since Premier Sports lost the Copa Libertadores and Copa Sudamericana contracts, but my word, there was some lovely football played by those teams. People slating Colo Colo wouldnt have watched those tournaments anyway its obvious that.

In this country we think Harry fcuking Kane and his 38 penalties a season is skilful.
 
dazzer169 said:
I can understand the ignorance on here for teams like Colo Colo, clearly England fans who believed all the hype about England in the World Cup. And I am English myself...

These South American sides are bloody skilful, so its bollox to say that a first time pass by a CB of theirs should go wrong 90% of the time, absolute shite.

Typically no respect for teams people havent heard of before cos they arent shown in the UK on the "telly" since Premier Sports lost the Copa Libertadores and Copa Sudamericana contracts, but my word, there was some lovely football played by those teams. People slating Colo Colo wouldnt have watched those tournaments anyway its obvious that.

In this country we think Harry fcuking Kane and his 38 penalties a season is skilful.
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To be honest I don't care if its Colo Colo or Manchester United. If Chris Smalling can hit a first time long pass straight into the path of the player like a prime Pirlo that is also a completely broken passing structure.
 
dazzer169 said:
In this country we think Harry fcuking Kane and his 38 penalties a season is skilful.
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I don't see what any of your rant there has to do with the fact that there's never a mishit first-time pass. Even on manual the contact is always perfect, no matter the player, and that's what isn't realistic.

On PA1 and above, every pass is straight to feet - even if it's your opponent's feet. The ball isn't coded to be free enough to be misplaced (which is, incidentally - @Dr Force, @Chuny - why I think sliders aren't in place, because they'd be impossible to implement given the code as-is).

You're not that scouser who rang TalkSport and said "Liverpool have won more than England, I don't support England, you lot are rubbish" etc. despite being English himself, by any chance, are you?
 
dazzer169 said:
I can understand the ignorance on here for teams like Colo Colo, clearly England fans who believed all the hype about England in the World Cup. And I am English myself...

These South American sides are bloody skilful, so its bollox to say that a first time pass by a CB of theirs should go wrong 90% of the time, absolute shite.

Typically no respect for teams people havent heard of before cos they arent shown in the UK on the "telly" since Premier Sports lost the Copa Libertadores and Copa Sudamericana contracts, but my word, there was some lovely football played by those teams. People slating Colo Colo wouldnt have watched those tournaments anyway its obvious that.

In this country we think Harry fcuking Kane and his 38 penalties a season is skilful.
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Oh christ that is such a cliched response. Tell me, how many Colo Colo games have you actually watched?

South American domestic is nowhere near what it was after being pillaged by China and other lucrative leagues. They're decent players obviously, but there should still be a clear difference in passing quality between players of varying standards.

It's not even 'shit' players vs. 'good' players, in PES you just want to be able to allow the best passes in the game to have a unique feel to them. At the moment there's absolutely no incentive to have someone like Modric or Pirlo, when you can easily have some athletic but limited shithouse that can execute difficult passes just as well.
 
If a player has low ball control and low passing stats (like I suspect it's the case with this Colo Colo), it should be difficult for them to move the ball around and to pass with precision. Or else stats are there literally for nothing.

It has nothing to do with disrespecting southamerican football, come on..
 
Chris Davies said:
I don't see what any of your rant there has to do with the fact that there's never a mishit first-time pass. Even on manual the contact is always perfect, no matter the player, and that's what isn't realistic.

On PA1 and above, every pass is straight to feet - even if it's your opponent's feet. The ball isn't coded to be free enough to be misplaced (which is, incidentally - @Dr Force, @Chuny - why I think sliders aren't in place, because they'd be impossible to implement given the code as-is).

You're not that scouser who rang TalkSport and said "Liverpool have won more than England, I don't support England, you lot are rubbish" etc. despite being English himself, by any chance, are you?
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It's ironic as it's usually the people with the least football experience that don't rate Kane, as they aren't able to appreciate anything beyond raw athleticism or flair.
 
Is advanced through ball optional when playing so called 'full manual' ? I don't use it myself but it seems like some like it include it and some don't.
 
Managed to get a good hour with this demo today and....I’m out. It’s not for me. I just can’t enjoy Pes anymore.
I don’t want to fill the board with negavtity so I’ll leave it as to all those who enjoy it I’m pleased you have a Pes to enjoy.
Me, I won’t be buying full game for 3rd year running.
I’ll still enjoy reading your thoughts and comments .
See you in the other game forum.
 
Chris Davies said:
I don't see what any of your rant there has to do with the fact that there's never a mishit first-time pass. Even on manual the contact is always perfect, no matter the player, and that's what isn't realistic.

On PA1 and above, every pass is straight to feet - even if it's your opponent's feet. The ball isn't coded to be free enough to be misplaced (which is, incidentally - @Dr Force, @Chuny - why I think sliders aren't in place, because they'd be impossible to implement given the code as-is).

You're not that scouser who rang TalkSport and said "Liverpool have won more than England, I don't support England, you lot are rubbish" etc. despite being English himself, by any chance, are you?
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Nope not me Chris!

I do get wound up though, on the Kane vs Salah topic, re: how many Pens Kane takes each season to give him his false season totals, and Salah only taking 1 Pen last season as Liverpool were only given.........3 Pens all season, try telling that to fans of other clubs who are so brain washed they wouldnt believe that stat and think Liverpool had so many penalties last year, in fact we only got given one in 2018 so far if pre-season games for 18/19 are not included.

My anti England stance these days was built since the early 90's and all the England must do this, must do that hype, stopped going to Wembley to see England play since that period of time, couldnt stand all the self appointed "footballs coming home" tripe and the hysteria around England players most of which had the technique of a donkey.

Anyway back on to the subject of this thread, i agree that the ball is mostly always hit first time by the CPU with great accuracy and therefore the pinball effect, no matter which player, not as obvious on lower skill levels, but certainly is spoiling this demo as per previous years, and this is the year they are meant to be more individually created players.

I wont mention my Salah vs Kane thing anymore, promise! ;)
 
P34SEMM said:
Managed to get a good hour with this demo today and....I’m out. It’s not for me. I just can’t enjoy Pes anymore.
I don’t want to fill the board with negavtity so I’ll leave it as to all those who enjoy it I’m pleased you have a Pes to enjoy.
Me, I won’t be buying full game for 3rd year running.
I’ll still enjoy reading your thoughts and comments .
See you in the other game forum.
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Have you got PES 2018? I wouldn't consider this the end at the mo. My success with PES 2019 online FUMA matchmaking prompted me to take my MyClub team for a roll on divisions on PES 2018 - guess what - I'm sat here for 30mins now and unable to find opponent.

This is a MAJOR problem each year - the community moves on and the previous PES online just dies.

Fingers crossed, this year could be different and PES 2018 online continues to thrive. Without the weekly gimmicks.

In all truthfulness, with so much variations in MyCLub levelling and acquiring players, trying them with different different managers - surely it takes more than a years play to actually learn the game (if there's actually anything to learn at all - might all be scripted)
 
dazzer169 said:
I do get wound up though, on the Kane vs Salah topic, re: how many Pens Kane takes each season to give him his false season totals, and Salah only taking 1 Pen last season as Liverpool were only given.........3 Pens all season, try telling that to fans of other clubs who are so brain washed they wouldnt believe that stat and think Liverpool had so many penalties last year, in fact we only got given one in 2018 so far if pre-season games for 18/19 are not included.
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Love Salah but sadly he also missed one!
 
dannyfc2 said:
It's ironic as it's usually the people with the least football experience that don't rate Kane, as they aren't able to appreciate anything beyond raw athleticism or flair.
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One final thing on Kane, I didnt mean I dont rate him, but the hype about him always ignores the amount of bloody penalties he takes, because of course to rate him is to see the amount of goals he gets. He can finish well with both feet (quite rare), and is very good in the air, so there you go, I rate him.

But he knows how to win a bloody penalty too, stats proving that referees in England favour giving Pens to English players in the area and not the "foreigners".....hence Liverpool were cheated out of many last season. The University survey that was published yesterday only backs up what us Liverpool fans have known all of last season.

Ok, I really will stop my Liverpool rant right now. Honest.
 
dazzer169 said:
I can understand the ignorance on here for teams like Colo Colo, clearly England fans who believed all the hype about England in the World Cup. And I am English myself...

These South American sides are bloody skilful, so its bollox to say that a first time pass by a CB of theirs should go wrong 90% of the time, absolute shite.

Typically no respect for teams people havent heard of before cos they arent shown in the UK on the "telly" since Premier Sports lost the Copa Libertadores and Copa Sudamericana contracts, but my word, there was some lovely football played by those teams. People slating Colo Colo wouldnt have watched those tournaments anyway its obvious that.

In this country we think Harry fcuking Kane and his 38 penalties a season is skilful.
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You missing point . Its not about team X or Y , its just about that players with 65 pass accurancy spamming balls like Iniesta or any top player with high pass stats. Passing is just souless and they didint fix again
 
Curious to hear from the pass assist OFF players. Personally I feel like this years PES so far is the smoothest manual experience I can remember and I really feel like manual is the way to go this year. Maybe its just in my head but I swear I can notice the difference between the high skilled passers and the average passers.
 
I personnally wanted something other else than the PES i've played from 10 years, with same physics and sensations, animations, etc. etc.
Everybody on the old forum i was going on (Wearepes) agreed to this. Now, it's something differently handled due to so many parameters: 360 movement, ball and players physics which change everything. From a very restricted game based only on stats, they transforms it into an "open world", with so many things to considers/reconsiders.
Giving the exact same feeling of old school PES is impossible. But they've managed to recreate a certain old PES dynamism, and based on timing.

Now about people here saying that it's fast, and others who said slow... It's way too vague, try to analyse what's make this as someone said "mental" is what we need to focus on, instead of directly make a statement. I will try this exercice... "Try" i said, i could be wrong and subjective like any other human.

So, what's giving a "fast" impression?
-At first, players moves/runs/replaces on the pitch constantely, without the ball (so with more speed) if you focuses on those movement you'll find the game "fast". It's the first things i've noticed, especially on superstar.
BUT it depends especially on the tactics you'll choose.
-Passing flow could be very "one touch" dynamic, and on some passes the ball rolls fast
-Another thing: the game is very reactive, and whatever button you push, the players in control will do something... Even if it's not contextually appropriate to their body position vs the ball coming from a pass.
Sometimes reactivity to certain situations makes the animation clunky/without transition, and/or takes over real life physics... Well, that's pratically always the case with demos

And what's giving "slow" impression
-Players with the ball doesn't dribble fast, and running with the ball to outshine a defender is also difficult to master. You really need to push the R1 button with a good timing.
-And without the ball too: if a player have low speed/explosivity stats, it's more pronounced now. Even if he reacts fast to run (relatively to their Att/Def prowess, depending the situation), on they will be limited when you goes at full speed.
-Also, tactics and stats again, i've played with Barcelona and found the flow less fast than with another team... I've understanded that it's about the positionning precision the players have. They will not run everywhere on the pitch like Colo-Colo (example) or whatever team, the effectiveness of the tactics will depends on Att/Def prowess, but also some special skills and playing style.

Don't know neither if 5 minutes matches could affect the flow and precision, i play essentially against CPU so i can't compare to online 10 minutes games...
Well, with all those added features to make the game realistic, making a modern football game fun, various and with a good balance is really, really hard.

I personnally think they've done a very well job by considering all those parameters and the features they added (body contextual, different ball physics, bigger pitch from last year but unmastered on PES 2018) even if i'm not totally convinced... Because there's one thing i really don't like, it's when the instant reactivity have the priority on physics.
It's a 10 (well, 5) minutes games, so it's normal that things are accelerated... Perhaps if they've add some contextual animations transitions, it may be more acceptable.

Btw it's the first time since PES 3/5/6 that i've seen so many interceptions, especially vs bigger teams, or better player... France with their tactics, especially Kante is cutting the lines everytime i've tried some dangerous passes.
 
ballsinwater said:
Curious to hear from the pass assist OFF players. Personally I feel like this years PES so far is the smoothest manual experience I can remember and I really feel like manual is the way to go this year. Maybe its just in my head but I swear I can notice the difference between the high skilled passers and the average passers.
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i'd probably agree but i remember the PES 2018 beta feeling good before being let down by final release 2018.

demo has to be taken with caution : zero FUMA matchmaking wait times, 10 min matches, decent team selection.

its good but not "preorder" or "take my money" good by my standards since I have UTFO 2018 [unable to find opponent]
 
vialli82 said:
I personnally wanted something other else than the PES i've played from 10 years, with same physics and sensations, animations, etc. etc.
Everybody on the old forum i was going on (Wearepes) agreed to this. Now, it's something differently handled due to so many parameters: 360 movement, ball and players physics which change everything. From a very restricted game based only on stats, they transforms it into an "open world", with so many things to considers/reconsiders.
Giving the exact same feeling of old school PES is impossible. But they've managed to recreate a certain old PES dynamism, and based on timing.

Now about people here saying that it's fast, and others who said slow... It's way too vague, try to analyse what's make this as someone said "mental" is what we need to focus on, instead of directly make a statement. I will try this exercice... "Try" i said, i could be wrong and subjective like any other human.

So, what's giving a "fast" impression?
-At first, players moves/runs/replaces on the pitch constantely, without the ball (so with more speed) if you focuses on those movement you'll find the game "fast". It's the first things i've noticed, especially on superstar.
BUT it depends especially on the tactics you'll choose.
-Passing flow could be very "one touch" dynamic, and on some passes the ball rolls fast
-Another thing: the game is very reactive, and whatever button you push, the players in control will do something... Even if it's not contextually appropriate to their body position vs the ball coming from a pass.
Sometimes reactivity to certain situations makes the animation clunky/without transition, and/or takes over real life physics... Well, that's pratically always the case with demos

And what's giving "slow" impression
-Players with the ball doesn't dribble fast, and running with the ball to outshine a defender is also difficult to master. You really need to push the R1 button with a good timing.
-And without the ball too: if a player have low speed/explosivity stats, it's more pronounced now. Even if he reacts fast to run (relatively to their Att/Def prowess, depending the situation), on they will be limited when you goes at full speed.
-Also, tactics and stats again, i've played with Barcelona and found the flow less fast than with another team... I've understanded that it's about the positionning precision the players have. They will not run everywhere on the pitch like Colo-Colo (example) or whatever team, the effectiveness of the tactics will depends on Att/Def prowess, but also some special skills and playing style.

Don't know neither if 5 minutes matches could affect the flow and precision, i play essentially against CPU so i can't compare to online 10 minutes games...
Well, with all those added features to make the game realistic, making a modern football game fun, various and with a good balance is really, really hard.

I personnally think they've done a very well job by considering all those parameters and the features they added (body contextual, different ball physics, bigger pitch from last year but unmastered on PES 2018) even if i'm not totally convinced... Because there's one thing i really don't like, it's when the instant reactivity have the priority on physics.
It's a 10 (well, 5) minutes games, so it's normal that things are accelerated... Perhaps if they've add some contextual animations transitions, it may be more acceptable.

Btw it's the first time since PES 3/5/6 that i've seen so many interceptions, especially vs bigger teams, or better player... France with their tactics, especially Kante is cutting the lines everytime i've tried some dangerous passes.
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best post here for a long time!
 
After playing 20 games, I am bored. CPU does the same attacking move regardless of the team and every team with 90%+ passing completion. It's more repetitive than Assassin's Creed 1. I will probably skip PES again this year.
 
Topaz said:
After playing 20 games, I am bored. CPU does the same attacking move regardless of the team and every team with 90%+ passing completion. It's more repetitive than Assassin's Creed 1. I will probably skip PES again this year.
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Repetitive but still gave you a lot of freedom. That and Unity both.
 
chiefrocka4real said:
Too bad.
That first goal would have made me bump my fist in the air.
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Well, considering how much goal we've scored since the first ISS/PES, or every football game since then... It's becoming more and more usual... I mean, pratically 15 years of ISS/PES/FIFA!

For me to jump of my seat, it's always been when i score an important goal in an important match. Again, "contextual" is the main word :D
 
I like the general pace of the game.
I like the manual passing and don't see the point of playing the game on anything else.
I like the responsiveness.
Graphically it's nice although the demo is a bit rough. Sometimes it looks like the ball has a comet tail, for example.
The way some players, like O. Chamberlain, shape their body for R2 shots looks good.
 
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