PES 2018 PlayStation & Xbox Discussion Thread

That's just making an excuse for pes issues, the famous it happens in real life. The issues in pes aren't there to replicate real life they are there because Konami will not or cannot fix them
 
jflores said:
I just learned Advanced shooting and boy, oh boy, am I having a fun time scoring some realistic looking goals with so many variations of goals in every game. Basic shooting produced samey type goals compared to Advanced. Advanced shooting is the way to go.

Absolutely love it!
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Absolutely! You are more satisfied when you score a goal too. I wish I found out about it earlier.
 
jflores said:
I just learned Advanced shooting and boy, oh boy, am I having a fun time scoring some realistic looking goals with so many variations of goals in every game. Basic shooting produced samey type goals compared to Advanced. Advanced shooting is the way to go.

Absolutely love it!
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Those powerful low shots or lofted R2 shots just can't be done on other controls (even manual).

I like advanced but I'm still missing some easy chances by instinctively aiming towards goal and hitting the bar... Especially when it's a reactionary thing and I just need to get the shot off unexpectedly.

It's not that easy to angle the stick just enough to aim into the corner but not at the post/wide when you need to be quick, and to not take an extra touch in the wrong direction like away from goal when you want to aim low...
 
I would love to use Adv shooting online but since I play manual passing some people get really annoyed when u use other shooting options than manual. I got messages from those "cool" taliban- fuma players when I used it a while ago that a) I was a child needing assist and b) they blocked me...

Damned if you do, damned if you don't I guess...
 
fregen said:
I would love to use Adv shooting online but since I play manual passing some people get really annoyed when u use other shooting options than manual. I got messages from those "cool" taliban- fuma players when I used it a while ago that a) I was a child needing assist and b) they blocked me...

Damned if you do, damned if you don't I guess...
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Those people are annoying... Football is about more than how accurately you can twiddle your thumbs.

Vision, timing, decisions, tactics etc... These all still apply with assistances on. Manual passing I can understand, and enjoy using because it retains all those aspects and the freedom allows even more depth of creativity and tactics... But for shooting you're just trying to stick the ball in the goal most of the time... Manual shooting offers nothing other than just making things harder.
 
rojofa said:
Those people are annoying... Football is about more than how accurately you can twiddle your thumbs.

Vision, timing, decisions, tactics etc... These all still apply with assistances on. Manual passing I can understand, and enjoy using because it retains all those aspects and the freedom allows even more depth of creativity and tactics... But for shooting you're just trying to stick the ball in the goal most of the time... Manual shooting offers nothing other than just making things harder.
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I agree. Also, I'm much better atm with manual shooting than Adv shooting so in some ways I would make it harder for myself. I see variation in manual shooting as well but I'm intrigued by Adv to see if there's more there.
 
Tried this on PS3 as my PC version is still not working.
Besides the lack of passing, shooting variance and still not enough depth/impact of stats i would say gameplay wise one big problem is the whole dynamic of the game.

And yes KEEPERS ARE TOO GOOD.

Keepers were very poor once so they properly updated them but now updated them on a level where they try to balance out the game by having no midfield and defense line literally. I have played few but all my games were box to box games with lot of shots (lack of shooting error of course, 9/10 on target) and lot of saves by the keeper. They try to have balance by providing more chances to score against godly keepers. And keepers are godly indeed with CATCHING crackers from 5 meters.

It probably enjoyable as lot of people like the game but i would much more prefer a game with worse keepers yet with more shot error so once you can hit the right shot with the rigth player it would be your only problem if its indeed a great goalie on the line ....and of course much better midfield/defense...especially with these enhanched dribbling and auto shielding mechanics. So you could have that WOW element if you score or a keeper saves or even if you miss a great build up chance since you know how hard to break down the opposite side. PES was like this once.
Now there is not enough...surprise or magic about scoring for me.
 
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gabe.paul.logan said:
Tried this on PS3 as my PC version is still not working.
Besides the lack of passing, shooting variance and still not enough depth/impact of stats i would say gameplay wise one big problem is the whole dynamic of the game.

And yes KEEPERS ARE TOO GOOD.

Keepers were very poor once so they properly updated them but now updated them on a level where they try to balance out the game by having no midfield and defense line literally. I have played few but all my games were box to box games with lot of shots (lack of shooting error of course, 9/10 on target) and lot of saves by the keeper. They try to have balance by providing more chances to score against godly keepers. And keepers are godly indeed with CATCHING crackers from 5 meters.

It probably enjoyable as lot of people like the game but i would much more prefer a game with worse keepers yet with more shot error so once you can hit the right shot with the rigth player it would be your only problem if its indeed a great goalie on the line ....and of course much better midfield/defense...especially with these enhanched dribbling and auto shielding mechanics. So you could have that WOW element if you score or a keeper saves or even if you miss a great build up chance since you know how hard to break down the opposite side. PES was like this once.
Now there is not enough...surprise or magic about scoring for me.
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sorry gab but i strongly disagree with keepers being too good, there is a huge variety from good to really bad keepers, also strongly disgree saying theres no midfield battles, one thing pes does really well is give u wide variety of scenarios, ranging from end to end, intense midfield battles, teams dropping back and then closing you down hard and then you have teams that press you all over, this game needs alot of time to see these sceanrios, not fair to judge after a handful of games, need to play it alot, there is magic there, but there are other negatives in the game holding it back for me to play, the patch seems to hopefully rectify most.
 
Keepers are too good?

Baffled...absolutely baffled.

If i was Adam Bhatti, i would jump off a cliff after reading this, poor developers.

PES and this community have come to a point where PES will never ever be good again, because of the mythical status of the PS2 games...because of the youth sentiment of (now) adult males.

It is impossible to have an objective view about this game (and that certainly includes me).

And about the upcoming foul patch: yes the game needs more fouls and penalties (i got one), but i'm afraid the remedy will do more harm than the disease...let's hope not, but this could destroy the game...

You see i'm not that different from gabe...we are all neurotic.
 
How awesome does this look(found on youtube).. smooth 60fps, lighting amazing.. not sure of stadium (anyone??), but definitely cloudy with rain condition... looks very EPL-Like ;) and the broadcast camera is just fantastic. Konami really need to be commended on how good this game looks this year.. and the control mechanics are simply the best ive ever experienced. Although I'm really digging this game, absolutely cannot wait for the new patch!!!
 
A couple of points id like to make (which I haven't notice made before):

1. R2 curl shot is kinda broken in full manual shooting mode. Tried it over and over in game and free practice (using the greats like Robben, Payet, Courtinho), getting into the box, cutting in, either side depending on the strong foot of the player used, and holding R2, while holding L2 to use aiming arrow directly aiming at far post, and then shoot to try and curl it in to top corner etc, BUT BUT BUT.. not matter what I do it always goes a fair degree wider than the direction of the aiming arrow, usually missing well wide. Even when I do this with the aiming shooting arrow at the keeper, holding the R2, usually always results in me pulling it wide. Its the R2 used with manual shooting... its broken or not working as it should...

when I used 'automatic shooting', R2 is perfect... cut in, hold R2, hold the stick to the far post with a bit of power, and the ball curls perfectly into the corner.. looks awesome..but too easy to do.. wished itd work as well in the manual shoot.
All I remember is that it (manual R2 curling shot into far corner) worked perfect in pes2015. I remember doing this over and over with Robben in free training mode since I looked so amazing.


2. THIS IS A TIP I DISCOVERED (PLEASE TRY AND GIVE FEEDBACK). On many occasions, playing vs cpu top player but particularly superstar, the ai/cpu gets the ball from defence through the mids to strikers with tremendous ease, as my own defender' ai is kinda poor as they are too far away from opposition players. Only discovered recently that you can actually man mark every player (every single player on your team can man mark a player on the opposing team). So what I did was get my CBs to man mark each striker, the RB and LB to mark the opposing wingers, my DM to mark the opposing AM or CM, and my CM's marking opposing mid players, ensuring I was man marking all the midfielders of the opposing team. Then I put my own LMF/LW and RMF/RW to man mark their LB and RB. My CF or SS would mark their LB/RB or even their CBs. So essentially all of my men are man marking their closest opposing player. Didn't know you could this.. though you could only do about 3 players max. Anyways, this definitely constricts the ball getting through the mids, and inf act results in me being able to defend much better and retrieve the ball more effectively. My interceptions have risen 10fold.... really adds to the game. Everything seems tighter with less space and better player positioning. Please give this a go and let me know what you think. I'm really excited about what ive seen since doing this 3+ games ago. Awesome...
 
Ameppe said:
When they added Legends in Myclub they didn't release a dlc or anything.
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but without dlc how can they add a player with real face in the game when the player doesn't exist in current database?
last year they added legends through dlc(faces and new db file), just not that they revealed them in myclub immediately
 
aussiepesfan said:
A couple of points id like to make (which I haven't notice made before):

1. R2 curl shot is kinda broken in full manual shooting mode. Tried it over and over in game and free practice (using the greats like Robben, Payet, Courtinho), getting into the box, cutting in, either side depending on the strong foot of the player used, and holding R2, while holding L2 to use aiming arrow directly aiming at far post, and then shoot to try and curl it in to top corner etc, BUT BUT BUT.. not matter what I do it always goes a fair degree wider than the direction of the aiming arrow, usually missing well wide. Even when I do this with the aiming shooting arrow at the keeper, holding the R2, usually always results in me pulling it wide. Its the R2 used with manual shooting... its broken or not working as it should...

when I used 'automatic shooting', R2 is perfect... cut in, hold R2, hold the stick to the far post with a bit of power, and the ball curls perfectly into the corner.. looks awesome..but too easy to do.. wished itd work as well in the manual shoot.
All I remember is that it (manual R2 curling shot into far corner) worked perfect in pes2015. I remember doing this over and over with Robben in free training mode since I looked so amazing.
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Sorry but do you mean it's broken when using L2 + R2 ("true" manual shooting) or just when using R2 with "regular" manual shooting?
 
elloco said:
what is the difference between "true" manual shooting ans "regular" manual shooting ???
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Well, this is debatable since Konami never explains anything but it's been said that L2 makes passing and shooting fully manual, whereas passing/shooting when set to manual and NOT pressing L2 still has some input by stats. Some people will say it's placebo and others that it's not. I'm not sure myself but I really feel top strikers are better at finishing than less known strikers, when set to manual shooting. But that could be due to the fact that they are "goal poachers", "fox in the box" etc.
 
fregen said:
Sorry but do you mean it's broken when using L2 + R2 ("true" manual shooting) or just when using R2 with "regular" manual shooting?
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Same with both (tried with both and to be honest it shouldn't be any different, other than with the L2 you can actually see what exact direction your joystick is aiming at). I play full manual shooting (setting at controller setting), and when shooting will generally always use the L2 aiming indicator when aiming for a corner, holding R2 to try curling in corner. But yes, I have also tried without the aiming arrow (ie, aiming without the L2 button, and simply holding only the R2), and its the same.. still goes wider than your intended direction. Ive also tried putting shooting back to automatic, and then using the L2 true manual shooting, R2 again, and same thing.. wider than intended direction. So the R2 problem occurs whenever you got manual,.. be it regular manual or true manual. The only way R2 works well is when shooting is set up on automatic (and not using the L2) or on advanced shooting. I'm almost 100% sure that the R2 worked perfectly well with full manual in pes2015. It definitely did not work well last year(pes2017).. similar to this years problem. not sure about 2016, but the problem has existed at least since last years version. Ill have to post a video, but yeah try it out... its a definite issue, as it would add a great deal to manual shooting if R2 worked how it should. I think the ideal situation would be for the aiming indicator (L2) to be aimed just outside the outside post, and for the R2 button to allow you to curl it in from the original shooting direction. Like in real life, if you were adding curl to the shot, you'd be aiming slightly outside the post to allow for the curve for the ball to just creep in... if you aim too far in, then itd simply curl in too close to the keeper, down the middle of the goal. Currently if you aim wider than the intended target, allowing for the curve in, or even at the target, holding R2 makes the ball go way further than the intended direction. Surely its a bug or something that's not intended... cant be..
 
aussiepesfan said:
Same with both (tried with both and to be honest it shouldn't be any different, other than with the L2 you can actually see what exact direction your joystick is aiming at). I play full manual shooting (setting at controller setting), and when shooting will generally always use the L2 aiming indicator when aiming for a corner, holding R2 to try curling in corner. But yes, I have also tried without the aiming arrow (ie, aiming without the L2 button, and simply holding only the R2), and its the same.. still goes wider than your intended direction. Ive also tried putting shooting back to automatic, and then using the L2 true manual shooting, R2 again, and same thing.. wider than intended direction. So the R2 problem occurs whenever you got manual,.. be it regular manual or true manual. The only way R2 works well is when shooting is set up on automatic (and not using the L2) or on advanced shooting. I'm almost 100% sure that the R2 worked perfectly well with full manual in pes2015. It definitely did not work well last year(pes2017).. similar to this years problem. not sure about 2016, but the problem has existed at least since last years version. Ill have to post a video, but yeah try it out... its a definite issue, as it would add a great deal to manual shooting if R2 worked how it should. I think the ideal situation would be for the aiming indicator (L2) to be aimed just outside the outside post, and for the R2 button to allow you to curl it in from the original shooting direction. Like in real life, if you were adding curl to the shot, you'd be aiming slightly outside the post to allow for the curve for the ball to just creep in... if you aim too far in, then itd simply curl in too close to the keeper, down the middle of the goal. Currently if you aim wider than the intended target, allowing for the curve in, or even at the target, holding R2 makes the ball go way further than the intended direction. Surely its a bug or something that's not intended... cant be..
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Ahh, I see. I know I had problems in PES 2017 with what u describe. Haven't really tried that many R2- shots so you are probably right.

Have you fed this back to Konami in any way? Like you say, that's a pretty big thing that you miss out on when using manual shooting.
 
elloco said:
what is the difference between "true" manual shooting ans "regular" manual shooting ???
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Honestly I think they are the same, but the aid of the L2 aiming arrow simply makes it easier to aim, particularly for shooting. I always use L2 when placing shots or headers... only omit using L2 when there is an open goal and I'm aiming to smack it in from close. Ill never use L2 for passing... well, very rarely... only when doing very very tight low passing and if my player has a lot of time on the ball.

I definitely agree that without L2 , manual passing and shooting are stat based. Ive seen my passes go astray from the original direction of my joystick input.. by a few degrees, but enough to know that the output pass direction was slightly different to my joystick input. I'm guessing with the aiming arrow, its not as stat based... don't use it enough for passing to really know. But with shooting, I do know that even with L2 there is an element of state based shooting, particularly with the trajectory. There are handful of times that either the shot is skied too easily (not on full bar mind you) or I get wicked dipping shots from some of the better strikers. Manual passing and shooting is definitely stat based. Could it be more so .. yes. Is it as stat based as full automatic passing and shooting, no way.
 
fregen said:
Ahh, I see. I know I had problems in PES 2017 with what u describe. Haven't really tried that many R2- shots so you are probably right.

Have you fed this back to Konami in any way? Like you say, that's a pretty big thing that you miss out on when using manual shooting.
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no I haven't, but will do right now. Surely its something they have missed.... sure its not supposed to be intended the way it currently is. I actually first noticed this when doing skills training, particularly in first person view, and aiming to R2 shots into the corner... the ball flies well wide of your aiming indicator and hence misses your intended direction by quite a lot.
 
fregen said:
Well, this is debatable since Konami never explains anything but it's been said that L2 makes passing and shooting fully manual, whereas passing/shooting when set to manual and NOT pressing L2 still has some input by stats. Some people will say it's placebo and others that it's not. I'm not sure myself but I really feel top strikers are better at finishing than less known strikers, when set to manual shooting. But that could be due to the fact that they are "goal poachers", "fox in the box" etc.
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i had tryed it today, shooting and passing is much more better with L2 compare to full manuall settings....
its so much more accurate in terms of direction and speed IMO - that is so frustrating that even the manual settings konami messed up...
 
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