that workes, your the man, i wasted hours! The guys over there are so arrogant, not in any of there instructions!!!!
PES 2018 PlayStation & Xbox Discussion Thread
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Bravez
Championship
- 26 June 2005
I do not have any issues with the CPU playing one touch passes or having super high accuracy. Are you dropping off and cutting lanes or are you pressuring hard? I imagine if you're pressuring they'll be pingin the ball around you quickly.
The team spirit thing i don't yet understand, can anyone tell me what influences it?
- Staff
- #6,723
I tend to do a combination of both. Immediately try to win the ball back and when I don't, then back off.
Ironically, Team Spirit is probably my favourite part of the Master League. It means you can't just go and buy the best players and expect them to fit in. Personally I think that's a big (and fresh) level of realism, which stands out like a sore thumb amongst the retired players "respawning" etc.!
So, every player has a "comfortability level" with every tactical element you choose in the defence/attack settings. It can range from 0 to 3. Example - you set "counter-attack" in your attack settings. A player has a pair of stats, a "counter-attack" bar and a "possession game" bar. He could have 3 out of 3 for both, if he's used to chopping and changing. But more likely, he will favour one over the other.
If the players' knowledge doesn't match your system, your Team Spirit drops. However, to my eye, it seems to implement this drop by slashing your response times, reducing your pass accuracy and increasing your opponent's ability (largely their passing accuracy).
You can view those bars pressing L1/R1 (LB/RB) on the player attributes screens, when you're in the game plan menu.
Bravez
Championship
- 26 June 2005
Ah ok, thanks for clearing that up. I was baffled every time i changed fo a better player and saw it drop, makes sense.
What Chris said and also the more matches that you win your TS will increase especially if they're consecutive matches but a few bad results and it goes back down.
winston
Champions League
- 7 August 2005
Even worse is the number of first time backheelers that are laser guided straight to a team-mate that the CPU plays. I had a game last night - Sheff Utd (me) v Burton (CPU) and I lost count after 5 or 6 in the first half alone the number of times Burton f**king Albion !!! did these instantaneous, first-time, pixel-perfect back-heelers - to use your word, it was reeeeeeeeediculous.
Whilst PES2017 seemed to be a step in the right-direction, this edition really leaves me wondering where Konami are going with this.
This has been PES for the past 10 years....most stats are virtually meaningless now. All that matters is the momentum script.
rockstrongo
Retired Footballer
A great deal of the team spirit is great,like you said,on 17 (ok to compare?) I had one player 84 ovr,€34 mill,never made an impression all season long,felt like he was cursed.
Bad thing,like you said,effects every player when having a bad TS,and powers up the CPU ability,just like 16-17
Switched between my Milan save on 17,better players obviously,but TS at 92,and my Palermo save,48 TS!
The Palermo team was so bad,you know,Mario Balotelli trying to put on a jersey bad.
To much influence imo with TS.
15 had player trust,same thing.
Guess 18 with TS,and owner trust will be a bit tough at times
- Staff
- #6,728
100% don't mind "tough" - in-fact, that's how I want it, and I love that player happiness can result in them wanting to leave your club now (last year you could keep players forever - well, they would only refuse a contract if you couldn't afford it).
It's just the way TS is implemented that turns me off. I love playing with poor teams and making them better - I do it in every football game - but to bring on a youth player for his debut, and suddenly your entire team starts playing like shit as a unit... Not to mention the youth player... I find it really hard to see that and then go "but otherwise it's really realistic".
There are so many of these shortcuts that I really don't think it earns that moniker - fun, yes (though I think I'm terrible because I'm suffering with a lot of 0-0s - but I'd prefer that to 5-0s)!
rockstrongo
Retired Footballer
Tons of things in this game,and the other game that should be better,I prefer to enjoy it/them until I stop doing it,I was fed up with 17last year,stopped playing it around new year, picked it up a few months ago again,loved it!
Same with the other games 15-16 (17 was a joke).
So I prefer to weigh good with the bad,or not play at all.
Agreeing with a wonky TS system, shouldn't effect the way it does.
And I totally understand why some can't see past the issues of a game,same here really,do I get to the point of not playing it?
Sometimes,yeah,but if you have a preference in your life/games,you'll sometimes see past those,on other games/things you don't.
I get furious just thinking about the biggest company in the world regarding football games,can't even implement a proper set of rules in their game,or the right kits for the right leagues,or the life long contract in player career.
Those are my breaking points.
If Konami had those,I'd probably see past those.
Good with the bad really,and what kind you can live with
- Staff
- #6,730
Amen. As I said in the other game thread, it's not for me. But whatever annoys you most one year will get you through the opposite game for that year, until something in that game (that's never fixed) puts you back on the other game again the next year.
We're all nutters (well, I know I am).
rockstrongo
Retired Footballer
Yeah,you know it mate.
The strive for the perfect game,that's us!
At the same time some people settles for Bake off
Good posts Chris
Perhaps we need to do what @geeeeee does,play a ML on 2008
There are a few players that I've come across in this game that are an absolute joy to control - so far Isco has been the main one for me but it's unreal, just so so enjoyable to play as Madrid and Spain and channel all attacks through him.
Just small flicks on the analogue stick, using R2 at the right times and occasionally using R1 to burst into space is just incredible with certain players. The game definitely has it's flaws but god I'm loving aspects of it right now.
Just small flicks on the analogue stick, using R2 at the right times and occasionally using R1 to burst into space is just incredible with certain players. The game definitely has it's flaws but god I'm loving aspects of it right now.
- Staff
- #6,733
Fantastic video. Delicious little skills.
Don't get me wrong, I do think that there are a huge lack of fouls but I'm still getting fouled 2/3 times per game, at least. What do you guys do that I don't to avoid all of the fouls? I even had a game with 2 red cards earlier playing against Italy as Spain!
poaloMaldini
Non-League
- 19 November 2013
Hey Rockstrongo - i have the Xbox one version as well - do you know of any instructions on how to edit the teams that are unlicensed - i am enjoying the game so far but would like to know if you found something of use for other Xbox one users
SandTheMan
League 2
- 20 March 2003
Anyone played the PS3 version??
rockstrongo
Retired Footballer
Hey Paolo
You thinking kits?
Hmm,last year I just edited after each team's website,and looked through the internet for tactics.
Haven't edit any teams yet,except Juventus,and just made a kit that looked somewhat near their kit.
I don't really care,since you can't make kits with logos anymore
Sorry if I didn't help,feel free to ask if there's something else you'll need
Bravez
Championship
- 26 June 2005
This is a long shot, but are saved highlights stored somewhere other than replay gallery? I swear I saved a few goals in my ml but they're nowhere to be seen 
poaloMaldini
Non-League
- 19 November 2013
Hey rockstrongo -yes I am looking at kits. I guess I was hoping there is a site where someone had instructions on how to manually edit the kits to those missing teams. I too dont care about the logos - i am more interested in the gameplay but with the XBOX one the graphics and the HD quality is just plain awesome.
Anywho if anyone else who has the xbox knows of any links i would definitely be interested - at least for the bigger teams like Real and Juventus
Bond!JamesBond!
PS2 PES Greatness
At 2:49 she used perfect words "a relic of a bygone era" about those bloody menus
http://www.ign.com/articles/2017/09/11/pes-2018-review
http://www.ign.com/articles/2017/09/11/pes-2018-review
Yeah,you know it mate.
The strive for the perfect game,that's us!
At the same time some people settles for Bake off
Good posts Chris
Perhaps we need to do what @geeeeee does,play a ML on 2008
Heh I was just reading your conversation and holding back from posting until I saw the mention.
I cannot really comment on the game because I haven't bought it...yet. But it is interesting to read the things that are annoying people and yet they were not an issue in the game 10 years ago.
Ping pong passing by the AI, in 2008 (PS2 version by the way) the AI occasionally does them but mostly takes a first touch before passing. Also in 2008 the AI misplaces passes quite a bit occording to their stats.
Team Spirit, in 2008 it is called 'Team Work' and it is a stat for each player and it effects how players work together but is implemented brilliantly. If you buy a player with low Team Work it will affect how players interact with him only... it will not affect the whole team. In the formation screen you can view the Team Work diagram and it will show how well players work together. In time this increases and the Individuals fit in better.
Shooting, I am reading from some that it is overpowered in 2018. In 2008 again it is all stat based, strong foot based, positioning based, defender's positioning based. Shots from both human and AI are varied. There are goals that both can score and may not be seen again for a whole season or more.
Scripting, I don't see this in 2008 and also earlier versions. But it could be confused with the Mentality stat. For example I played a ML game earlier and I was 1-0 up until about the 89th minute when my defender, who was AI controlled, did a sliding tackle and gave away a penalty and the team equalised. Some would say scripting, I like to see it that because he has a low Mentality stat and his Stamina was low it made him make the wrong decision. That makes me think twice about playing him in the next game.
Pressing, I have seen videos where the player can just run down the wing with no pressure. In 2008 even on Regular difficulty you get pressed quite a bit depending on the players you are up against. It can be hard to find space.
Lastly Penalties, Free Kicks, and Injuries. All these are thankfully included in PES2008.
Sorry to harp on about the game but it makes me ask the "Konami, what has happened in the last 10 years?"
You see @rockstrongo what you have made me do, post when I was holding back so well.
rockstrongo
Retired Footballer
Very valid and good points mate.Heh I was just reading your conversation and holding back from posting until I saw the mention.
I cannot really comment on the game because I haven't bought it...yet. But it is interesting to read the things that are annoying people and yet they were not an issue in the game 10 years ago.
Ping pong passing by the AI, in 2008 (PS2 version by the way) the AI occasionally does them but mostly takes a first touch before passing. Also in 2008 the AI misplaces passes quite a bit occording to their stats.
Team Spirit, in 2008 it is called 'Team Work' and it is a stat for each player and it effects how players work together but is implemented brilliantly. If you buy a player with low Team Work it will affect how players interact with him only... it will not affect the whole team. In the formation screen you can view the Team Work diagram and it will show how well players work together. In time this increases and the Individuals fit in better.
Shooting, I am reading from some that it is overpowered in 2018. In 2008 again it is all stat based, strong foot based, positioning based, defender's positioning based. Shots from both human and AI are varied. There are goals that both can score and may not be seen again for a whole season or more.
Scripting, I don't see this in 2008 and also earlier versions. But it could be confused with the Mentality stat. For example I played a ML game earlier and I was 1-0 up until about the 89th minute when my defender, who was AI controlled, did a sliding tackle and gave away a penalty and the team equalised. Some would say scripting, I like to see it that because he has a low Mentality stat and his Stamina was low it made him make the wrong decision. That makes me think twice about playing him in the next game.
Pressing, I have seen videos where the player can just run down the wing with no pressure. In 2008 even on Regular difficulty you get pressed quite a bit depending on the players you are up against. It can be hard to find space.
Lastly Penalties, Free Kicks, and Injuries. All these are thankfully included in PES2008.
Sorry to harp on about the game but it makes me ask the "Konami, what has happened in the last 10 years?"
You see @rockstrongo what you have made me do, post when I was holding back so well.
I think shooting is great in this one
The no pressing issue up and down,i experience pressure every game,but then suddenly it's gone for long times.
It's a confusing game this,brilliant at some parts horrible on others
Freekicks is just confusing up and down,had a few games with yellow cards and sending off,then two games without them.
Yeah,Konami were more innovative back then.
On the other hand,being here since -06,people were shitting on Pes 7-8-9-10-11-12-13-14-15-16-17 as well.
Think I'll just stick to playing GTA,non scripted gunfights there
I'm enjoying aspects of the game but some of the stuff is just unforgivable.
On the pitch, the CPU through balls only work because your defenders automatically push up, creating a huge gap meaning you can't recover in time to make a tackle. The AI has ridiculous passing accuracy and teams like Chievo can cut through a back 5 with 2 players through a series of quick fire passes and a bullshit through ball which is impossible to cut out due to the above mentioned issue. The game also feels ridiculously floaty. Like it's on Tramadol or Ketamine or something. Movement feels like it's happening under water, and at times the ball physics are shocking. The ball just tends to keep rolling....it feels like it takes a second too long to catch up to the ball.
Off the field, the ML Transfer system is fucked. Good teams selling world class players to mid table teams. I've already read the post about Liverpool selling their full team! That coupled with Konami's refusal to update transfers. How frigging hard would it seriously. It's a 3 hour job. I mean, a couple of guys with an option file can patch it almost on release date, yet a multi million pound company like Konami can't be arsed?
That said, there's elements of the game that are very enjoyable, all of which makes the above complaints all the more annoying.
On the pitch, the CPU through balls only work because your defenders automatically push up, creating a huge gap meaning you can't recover in time to make a tackle. The AI has ridiculous passing accuracy and teams like Chievo can cut through a back 5 with 2 players through a series of quick fire passes and a bullshit through ball which is impossible to cut out due to the above mentioned issue. The game also feels ridiculously floaty. Like it's on Tramadol or Ketamine or something. Movement feels like it's happening under water, and at times the ball physics are shocking. The ball just tends to keep rolling....it feels like it takes a second too long to catch up to the ball.
Off the field, the ML Transfer system is fucked. Good teams selling world class players to mid table teams. I've already read the post about Liverpool selling their full team! That coupled with Konami's refusal to update transfers. How frigging hard would it seriously. It's a 3 hour job. I mean, a couple of guys with an option file can patch it almost on release date, yet a multi million pound company like Konami can't be arsed?
That said, there's elements of the game that are very enjoyable, all of which makes the above complaints all the more annoying.
Topaz
Programmer/TheAwesomeGem
Watching the match by this one guy. He was Chelsea and he lost to Swancerlona(Swansea) by 4-1 and Swansea playing like world class and in the next match, he(Chelsea) end up beating Barcelona 6-0 with the same team that lost 4-1 against Swansea. In this game, you will be happy to play against world class teams because it's so easy to beat them. F.A CUP is a harder competition than UCL. Just look at these gifs Chelsea vs Swansea:
I am not picky about my footie game like most other hardcore fans but the one thing I expect is for world class teams to be harder to beat than skybet league which is not the case in PES 2018. According to PES 2018 logic Swansea > Real Madrid and Barca.
Conclusion: Every player can pass the same way.
I am not picky about my footie game like most other hardcore fans but the one thing I expect is for world class teams to be harder to beat than skybet league which is not the case in PES 2018. According to PES 2018 logic Swansea > Real Madrid and Barca.
Conclusion: Every player can pass the same way.
You're better off avoiding then. Sooner or later though if you try what I did you're bound to see it. I won't say what it is though so I won't spoil the game for you.
Topaz
Programmer/TheAwesomeGem
Watching the match by this one guy. He was Chelsea and he lost to Swancerlona(Swansea) by 4-1 and Swansea playing like world class and in the next match, he(Chelsea) end up beating Barcelona 6-0 with the same team that lost 4-1 against Swansea. In this game, you will be happy to play against world class teams because it's so easy to beat them. F.A CUP is a harder competition than UCL. Just look at these gifs Chelsea vs Swansea:
I am not picky about my footie game like most other hardcore fans but the one thing I expect is for world class teams to be harder to beat than skybet league which is not the case in PES 2018. According to PES 2018 logic Swansea > Real Madrid and Barca.
Conclusion: Every player can pass the same way.
Just lost against Watford 5-1 now and went to beat Man Utd 3-0. I am playing with Leicester City in world class. Watford had 95% passing completion rate whereas Man Utd had 81%. This game makes no sense. I will make a video about this soon on my channel. This is so annoying. What have you done Konami? How can you ruin such a beautiful and fun game with this crap?