polakis
PES - FIFA Greek master
I agree. Game feels the same like old games. I find it very easy on the demo and i score plenty of goals with no problem. This is arcade. Not sim, sorry konami...
PES 2018 PlayStation & Xbox Discussion Thread
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Goodvibe Stranger
The Deep Sleep Operative(games tester)
- 1 September 2017
In the demo the back line seems like it is set to high and there is no positional or man marking options.
Personally I will not be using assisted it's ridiculous even on bar 1.
I do think manual is more like bar 1 in the finished game last year and it could be the way the demo has been set-up.
I could show you games I've had against the cpu where I can defend this against them.But that's dependent on whether the mods allow this post to be seen and there's any real value in posting.
martyl2
Championship
- 27 February 2010
What month is the code based on?
From my understanding whatever tweaks they make fu**s up other parts of the game so improving one part probably messes up another.
Still will buy the game. Demo is fun on FM passing...
Longevity who knows
Ah it's because I play with advanced shooting so you can pick the height even with the power bar being maxed out. Gives you more options of doing hard shots but also trying to keep it low.I like the shot a lot! Looks great, but I don't understand one thing:
You loaded up the power bar quite much so why didn't the shot go high?
Isn't it that the lower the higher the power bar, the higher the shot goes?
So why the randomness??
ramgamer
La Liga
- 22 July 2013
- fc barcelona
I don t get how i can be excited if this game is only playable for variety on full manual and its really hard to play manual shots and crosses etc, i don t see what r u excited about...the game is brilliant in midfield but as soon as u get to the box game gets super basic at least on pa1, gets super assistedThere's a new difficult setting - legend.
You apparently unlock it by winning 5 games on superstar in any mode.
Also you can have classic or challenge mode on Master League - Challenge is the mode that has the different states from the owner, players are more likely to leave, demand higher salaries and want to move on to different clubs. Also you can get fired!
So it probably makes sense for the keen ones among us to play our 5 games on superstar, unlock legend difficulty and start a Master League on legend difficulty with challenge mode. Jesus, I'm so excited for it now.
I don't know about you Ram or why you play games or anything like that but for me I really enjoy the time when I get to play games. I love being able to sit down and jump on my PS4 or my PC and either play a few games of my Master League career or play some exhibition matches to try some different teams / formations.
I'm excited because it's a new iteration of probably my favourite video game series of all time. It's a game that I will no doubt play at least 3/4 hours a week until the next version comes out and it's a game that I'll discuss here, on Reddit & on Discord to no end.
Yes, there's always room for improvement and I do agree with you that there needs to be some added focus to certain areas of the pitch. I think if the developers were to spend an afternoon with Matt10 they might actually pickup a lot for team setups on defence but at this stage we don't have that. So I enjoy the game for what it is and I'm excited to play the new version, I think most of us here are excited.
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ramgamer
La Liga
- 22 July 2013
- fc barcelona
I don t get how i can be excited if this game is only playable for variety on full manual and its really hard to play manual shots and crosses etc, i don t see what r u excited about, theThere's a new difficult setting - legend.
You apparently unlock it by winning 5 games on superstar in any mode.
I understand ur excitement to a degree but to.me this game plays the same as pes 2016 with improvements of animations, still same ways to attack same patterns, it doesn t feel that its a new game, im not gonna get into the things already said, to.me its the same game as pes 2016 and 2017, i do n t see the upgrade in the attacking or defending part of the game, this is a worry in 2017 that konami can t move forward only in small increments they move, its a worry how to me i feel bored when playing the demo because of no change in the gameplay
Also you can have classic or challenge mode on Master League - Challenge is the mode that has the different states from the owner, players are more likely to leave, demand higher salaries and want to move on to different clubs. Also you can get fired!
So it probably makes sense for the keen ones among us to play our 5 games on superstar, unlock legend difficulty and start a Master League on legend difficulty with challenge mode. Jesus, I'm so excited for it now.
I actually feel like full manual controls are too easy if anything. I certainly get the vast majority of my shots and crosses on target.
The through ball mechanic has always been broken on manual, it's inconsistent. To play a through ball on manual I just use the regular pass button. So there is a challenge when playing through balls.
The through ball mechanic has always been broken on manual, it's inconsistent. To play a through ball on manual I just use the regular pass button. So there is a challenge when playing through balls.
Danny Henry
The King is dead.
- 16 September 2013
Ill buy it too. Despite the flaws its far from be a bad game. What pieces me off is that its been about three years since I cant shot on this game. I just dont get this new shooting system! I dont know what im doing wrong. I just cant put the ball away from the keepers reach. Or my shots go wide or keepers palms it. I frustrated. Its been like this since PES 2014.
rockstrongo
Retired Footballer
Just played the Xbox version,and yeah some other fellows have tried both,and according to them it's a difference.
Might try it on my old PS3 as well.
I have nothing but good vibes from this,although somethings is a bit disappointing,thought shooting would have improved more,it's better than on 17 for sure.
But I've played both my ML on 17,and also fired up my 15 save.
And I have to say,tactics from 17/18,shooting from 15,looks and pace from 18,and perhaps from 15 aswell,and we'll have a stunning game.
I've just put together a few clips from 15 in the Master league tread,uploading them in a while
i've pre ordered too - only cost me 9 quid using my amazon work vouchers so happy days..hopefully they will fix the issues. I'm still flicking between full manual and advance shooting PA 1 - even tried basic - there's definitely more variation on advanced shooting and manual pass for me does kill some of the individuality but i get why people want to use it - i used to use it all the time in fifa - i can score on all modes - manual shooting is easier than last year
Matt10
International
- 5 February 2004
If anyone wants to join, I'm streaming PES 2018 demo. Exploring some advanced instructions, etc to get the game playing with a bit more resistance in the midfield:
https://gaming.youtube.com/user/Matt10L/live
https://gaming.youtube.com/user/Matt10L/live
You sure it's the same gameplay? You see no difference in animations! It's the best PES in terms of animations and dribbling. Player ID is much better than those last 5 years. Possible the best set pieces in PES ever or even FIFA. Better passing and shooting. Overall more freedom than before. It's not the best in terms of passing and shooting but no way it's the same as those years. Clearly you're a one game off guy. People seems to only care about passing and shooting and could careless about anything else that's have changed.
guru83
League 1
- 8 August 2017
I agree with you here about set pieces - they're wonderful in PES 2018.
goalgerd
File Maker
i said the game looks great but the mechanics are the same since the ps3 days, everything still feels like its on rails and with the AI scripting you can tell when the computer will score against you 30 seconds before they do, also i played for 4 hours yesterday and had no fouls from the AI against me, thats not real football when theres scripting against the human player where the AI gets all the fouls in its favour, another thing is possession where in game i was having 75% without the AI looking to come out of their positions to press for the ball back. you can play pes with your eyes closed at the back with the ball and the AI wont press you. I spent the best part of 3 months last year fixing the AI tactics and formations for my option file just to get a decent game of football and thats really sad ,
konami dont really give a fuck about any of us to setup their team AI properly, Its 20 years now since most of us started playing PES and apart from a few good games on the ps2 era konami have made a balls of it, enough is enough
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Goodvibe Stranger
The Deep Sleep Operative(games tester)
- 1 September 2017
I couldn't agree more and hence why my original posts were so glowing.Its not that I didn't see the cons,there just not as amplified on the xboxone demo.I also perceived it as deliberate because it wasn't factoring into how my own teammate ai was behaving.
Big stand for me is crossing and lofted passing especially on manual.I don't need to double tap anything and can control power and elevation now just with just power and stick.We also have teammate ai that reads crosses and lofted passes better.
I still think the back lines are set to high in the demo and cpu aggressiveness has deliberately been dampened in the midfield to demonstrate how refined defensive and offensive control is.
I fall into the camp of lovng the shooting.
I don't know how much fine tuning has gone into the game since the demo build and maybe things were still being tested,hence the lock.It is easier to turn players now without tricks,so it's definetly a fine balancing act how you tune cpu pressing and aggression.It could potentially open a bigger hole.All subjective though.
I do like the less is more approach and more contexual defending,I don't want 3 diffferent button options to defend and have always felt good stick control,the ability to jockey and cleanly win the ball through timing is enough.
I do have moments though where the cpu midfield is like a wall and they press in numbers and close space.
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Goodvibe Stranger
The Deep Sleep Operative(games tester)
- 1 September 2017
I apologise and a gentlemenly as well as articulate response.I tip my hat to your video editing skills and enjoyment of the game.I never said you couldn't play(maybe we can have a manual game sonetime,two veterans.
gabe.paul.logan
Retired Footballer
btw today ive seen a foul against my keeper during a cross
PRO_TOO
Team Heffernan
Man!! That triple save by the Flamengo keeper...! That was stunning!!
I like to watch your matches cause you play exactly like I want to play. Great build up, patience, looking for that one opportunity. A shame we don't have formation settings at our hands right now...
kilay
International
- 11 November 2016
For me fouls of 2017 (pc version really tweaked) are accettable, seeing these videos and broadcast this year are few than the last year, anyway release a demo without tactics tweak is a little no-sense. I hope they could add more severity to the ref and really less Scripting in derby and Knock out match..
Exhbition last year doesn't have any kind of issues, the Scripting was just on tournaments and ML
Images and movements are really fluid and realistic, but i Wanna see more about ML
EDIT also 10 min are too few for a realistic statistic
Exhbition last year doesn't have any kind of issues, the Scripting was just on tournaments and ML
Images and movements are really fluid and realistic, but i Wanna see more about ML
EDIT also 10 min are too few for a realistic statistic
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kilay
International
- 11 November 2016
Apologies about errors but i'm from phone
kilay
International
- 11 November 2016
Really thnks matt, i watched the first hour, thnks for sharing it
RockyJJP
FIFA fan, PES lover
This game reminds me so much of PES2011. I am playing it with PES2011 in mind I absolutely am enjoying it now, was trying to play it like PES2017 but it wasn't working, very jarring and uncomfortable but when I played it like old PES games it just clicked. So much to be happy about. Growing on me a lot.
Playing on Wide cam 0,7,10. Like old PES too
A tip: Defending is more space marking than man marking now. Helped me a lot
Playing on Wide cam 0,7,10. Like old PES too
A tip: Defending is more space marking than man marking now. Helped me a lot
manmachine
Premier League
- 22 June 2008
Spot on. I can live with the game playing like that for 10min matches, as long as it resembles football when playing for longer (more bad passes/shots + some midfield play and some possession football - not always so direct). Does Konami test the game only for 10min matches? I don't know. We'll find out. I'm more optimistic about rival games. In pes17 the default pressure was really high and then the game turned it up to 11 for derbies, I wasn't a fan at all. But with it been nerfed in pes18 I expect these matches to play much better now. But i do worry whether it's nerfed too much and we'll start looking at ways to make all games play like rival matches now. You're right about friendlies. Pes17 is actually the best fun I ever had when playing in exhibition mode, and that's why the demo was so good and everyone so excited, but this magic balance was kind of lost when playing ML.
Honestly enjoying it the more I play it favorite match up so far is Germany vs Brasil. I am also drawing more fouls as well as you stated it is what you would expect in 10 min matches.
*** England ***
I'm russian
Topaz
Programmer/TheAwesomeGem
Apparently passing is more accurate in the release build. A guy said on reddit that Fulham beat Barcelona with 95% passing completion and 65% possession.
It's starting to click with me now. . .I think my Pes 2017 approach was half the problem. .I was beginning to think that we were fucked this year . .the demo looked like a mess and I could see what other people were complaining about. . so I started a few games today and after a few of them it started to come together . . the fixed tactics in the demo are preventing it showing it's real potential. . .keeping the ball and the odd dribble is what it's about instead of rushing up the wing and trying to cross . .patience and composure are the key. . .I had some great matches today and couldn't stop playing it . ..Top Player is better than Superstar to play . ..don't get me wrong the faults are still there but tweaking the advanced tactics helps. . .I'm optimistic about the game now and with a couple of patches it could be a really good game.