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Yes, it's a shame. You see a goalie error in pretty much every game and it takes away a lot fun from scoring.
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Yes, it's a shame. You see a goalie error in pretty much every game and it takes away a lot fun from scoring.
Ameppe
International
- 23 December 2007
- Team
- SSC Napoli
What do you mean by polished?
Which do you think is a good example of polished sport game?
Anyway,i clearly remember that Ps2 Pes too were somehow bad in their lack of polish in menus, presentation.
Yeah, Pes deserves much more than that. KONAMI really considers Pes as a cash cow and they show they want to invest less money as possible on it for maximum profit.
KONAMI is ruining Pes,not Masuda, Seabass, or the development team
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gerd
Retired Footballer
The lack of polish is one of the biggest charms of PES.
But the lack of polish doesn't excuse the lack of stadiums, the ommission of game modes (league, but also the one where one could qualify for the WC), and the ommission of plenty of nice touches (like for example the stats behind the player ratings, the stadiums that were filled according how you did in ML and dozens of other nice litle touches that simply disappeared in current gen) or neither the lack of licenses.
All this said Ameppe, i would either change that signature or stop pretending to be objective...
It is true that FIFA is better game for quite a while now (as a game, i still think PES "feels" more like real football), but no need to have that kind of signature...
This thread is a shambles with blind PES fan boys, but every post with that signature under it is provocation...you don't need that to be taken serious. With all due respect.
But the lack of polish doesn't excuse the lack of stadiums, the ommission of game modes (league, but also the one where one could qualify for the WC), and the ommission of plenty of nice touches (like for example the stats behind the player ratings, the stadiums that were filled according how you did in ML and dozens of other nice litle touches that simply disappeared in current gen) or neither the lack of licenses.
All this said Ameppe, i would either change that signature or stop pretending to be objective...
It is true that FIFA is better game for quite a while now (as a game, i still think PES "feels" more like real football), but no need to have that kind of signature...
This thread is a shambles with blind PES fan boys, but every post with that signature under it is provocation...you don't need that to be taken serious. With all due respect.
Ameppe
International
- 23 December 2007
- Team
- SSC Napoli
It's a sentence i took somewhere in this forum,someone wrote it and i wanted to put it as a reminder of how people likes to overreact.
Pes is not dead to me, it's not a laughing stock. I wouldn't be here arguing why the series is in trouble if i thought that way
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even with 1.6
klashman69
Fight the Power!
- 28 November 2007
YouTube - PES 2014 - Top 25 Goals [HD]
it seems the only way to score from range is using the knuckle-ball shot.
it seems the only way to score from range is using the knuckle-ball shot.
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Rob92
Guest
That's a horrible video to watch, so many carbon-copy goals...
I beg to differ. Defending in PES 2013 is atrocious. For one, physicality/collisions are virtually non-existent in PES 2013. Of course it's difficult to defend in a game where there's no "tangible" contact between players! Players are slow to react to loose balls and every minute or so the CPU decides to turn on, "Cyborg Messi Mode" and ghost past your defenders (even with piss poor players) as if they were cardboard cut-outs. It's difficult because it was a poorly designed system to begin with.
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klashman69
Fight the Power!
- 28 November 2007
I have a hard drive coming tomorrow or Tuesday. I Could, i'm unsure but i could be able to record footage from my new laptop and just upload it.
Defending in PES 2013 is an art! Its about:
1. positioning. the first and most important part.
2. Understanding the individuality, ability and team tactics of your opponent.
3. Balance between defence and attack.
1. Positioning is everything for defending, people talk mainly about the direct play from the AI and players being able to dribble round them. its simple. Space, there is too much space for them to pass into hence the direct play and you giving the AI too much space to dribble into them.
If you don't give the AI space, they don't dribble past you or play super direct in the first place.
When i speak again about positioning. I mean you need to look at your formation, look at the designated positions you give them, and decide when the opposition have the ball where you want each outfield player to be depending on if the AI have the ball in their own half, just in your half and in the the last 30 yards in your area.
The best point is put within your mind how you want the ten outfield players to line up off the ball when the opponent attacks. This is where tactics is EVERYTHING, absolutely EVERYTHING for defending. Defensive line is obviously how deep you defend. if you defend too deep you cant get out and attack but the AI have massive issues getting past you which is great, defend high and you leave space in behind but it's great if you have a great team to pin the opposition in their own half. You NEED to combine this using the team mentality which is the 5 little dots which appear at the bottom of the screen, You hold L2/R2 and press down or up on the D-pad to change you mentality defending and attacking. Ths changes your player AI off the ball, so if you facing a big team and you need to defend or if you feel you want to keep things tight you need to interchange with this a lot ingame.
So when it comes to Defending, don't just rush to the ball carrier and jockey him or mad pressure him, no, think, make sure you look at your team, where are they on the pitch, if you left back is out of position, just select him and get him to move back into position, forget about everything else if there is no threat, do not EVER pull people out of position to jockey a player for the sake of winning the ball back quickly, you will just concede!
When it comes to tackling the main people you need to focus on is your midfield. You need to make sure when you select your midfield which player tackles and where, how far back you want the player to drop back if drop back at all and what zones need covering. take the 4-5-1 or 4-2-3-1 for example. You can have two sitting midfielder, one sitting one box to box or two all action center midfielders. When defending, your front-men should be positioned well enough so you can for starters look to select you defensive midfielder to mop up attacks in the center. When the AI is attacking in and around your last 30 yards, its usually your back 4 who holdup or usually your full back holding up the opponent, the most important player to have is your defensive mid intercepting the AI.
Lastly for this part, it's important to understand your defense's ability. Defence rating plays a very key in how organized your defence will be naturally. Defence 90 and up you won't have to worry too much about organization,t hey will organize themselves, all your input makes them more perfect. 89-80, it's good, 79-75, is ok depending on form and under that is a worry. You will noticed most fullbacks and midfielders will very rarely have 80 or so defensive rating, this is Konami understanding how bad modern football is and how the majority of fullbacks really can't defend well. It was a shock almost to me playing with my patch playing as France, all the back had over 85 'Defence' rating, just how brilliantly they defended as a team compared to modern teams. This is very important, the higher the rating the better the player tackles and it helps what types of defending you can do, i will be back later to discuss the other parts.
Defending in PES 2013 is an art! Its about:
1. positioning. the first and most important part.
2. Understanding the individuality, ability and team tactics of your opponent.
3. Balance between defence and attack.
1. Positioning is everything for defending, people talk mainly about the direct play from the AI and players being able to dribble round them. its simple. Space, there is too much space for them to pass into hence the direct play and you giving the AI too much space to dribble into them.
If you don't give the AI space, they don't dribble past you or play super direct in the first place.
When i speak again about positioning. I mean you need to look at your formation, look at the designated positions you give them, and decide when the opposition have the ball where you want each outfield player to be depending on if the AI have the ball in their own half, just in your half and in the the last 30 yards in your area.
The best point is put within your mind how you want the ten outfield players to line up off the ball when the opponent attacks. This is where tactics is EVERYTHING, absolutely EVERYTHING for defending. Defensive line is obviously how deep you defend. if you defend too deep you cant get out and attack but the AI have massive issues getting past you which is great, defend high and you leave space in behind but it's great if you have a great team to pin the opposition in their own half. You NEED to combine this using the team mentality which is the 5 little dots which appear at the bottom of the screen, You hold L2/R2 and press down or up on the D-pad to change you mentality defending and attacking. Ths changes your player AI off the ball, so if you facing a big team and you need to defend or if you feel you want to keep things tight you need to interchange with this a lot ingame.
So when it comes to Defending, don't just rush to the ball carrier and jockey him or mad pressure him, no, think, make sure you look at your team, where are they on the pitch, if you left back is out of position, just select him and get him to move back into position, forget about everything else if there is no threat, do not EVER pull people out of position to jockey a player for the sake of winning the ball back quickly, you will just concede!
When it comes to tackling the main people you need to focus on is your midfield. You need to make sure when you select your midfield which player tackles and where, how far back you want the player to drop back if drop back at all and what zones need covering. take the 4-5-1 or 4-2-3-1 for example. You can have two sitting midfielder, one sitting one box to box or two all action center midfielders. When defending, your front-men should be positioned well enough so you can for starters look to select you defensive midfielder to mop up attacks in the center. When the AI is attacking in and around your last 30 yards, its usually your back 4 who holdup or usually your full back holding up the opponent, the most important player to have is your defensive mid intercepting the AI.
Lastly for this part, it's important to understand your defense's ability. Defence rating plays a very key in how organized your defence will be naturally. Defence 90 and up you won't have to worry too much about organization,t hey will organize themselves, all your input makes them more perfect. 89-80, it's good, 79-75, is ok depending on form and under that is a worry. You will noticed most fullbacks and midfielders will very rarely have 80 or so defensive rating, this is Konami understanding how bad modern football is and how the majority of fullbacks really can't defend well. It was a shock almost to me playing with my patch playing as France, all the back had over 85 'Defence' rating, just how brilliantly they defended as a team compared to modern teams. This is very important, the higher the rating the better the player tackles and it helps what types of defending you can do, i will be back later to discuss the other parts.
Tinker
Premier League
- 23 April 2008
- Team
- Juventus
Klashman, I agree on everything. Defending is an art. If you rush - you get punished.
But.. all this you can do in PES 2014 as well.
But.. all this you can do in PES 2014 as well.
To add on to what Klashman said, I think if you're an NBA 2K player, his concept of defence will be easier to understand. In basketball you don't go chasing your man all over the place like most people would do in FIFA. Instead, you take into account where your teammates are and give some space to your opponent otherwise you'll be blown past by easily and give up points all day. A lot of NBA teams will actually shade players to a particular side of the court and it doesn't matter if they get beat, because a help defender will be there.
The goal in PES I guess is to maintain your shape, maintain the flat banks of 4 (if you're using a 442), and anticipate attacking movements so you've selected a defender to snuff out the attack before it happens.
Also thanks Klashman for the tip about the Defense stat. I never really knew what it did.
The goal in PES I guess is to maintain your shape, maintain the flat banks of 4 (if you're using a 442), and anticipate attacking movements so you've selected a defender to snuff out the attack before it happens.
Also thanks Klashman for the tip about the Defense stat. I never really knew what it did.
José Ricardo Marchese
Non-League
even with all its faults still I like PES 2014 it has some flash of reality different from the rival one that has a strong market only because of exclusive license agreements mainly European licenses Konami don't taking the chance to compete equally.
okay many here can say that PES PS2 reigned in the times I absolutely agree but this current generation and even more in the next licenses have made much difference.
CalcioCalabrese
Weekend warrior
Hello everyone - been on holidays from work for a month and haven't kept up with this forum. hope you all had a good Christmas and New Years. Interesting discussion in the last few pages lol.
I've been playing the latest Top Spin a fair bit and I wish PES and FIFA had that same level of variation in ball trajectory and error programming. Playing on Hard level, you see very realistic rallies with shots that just go long or wide because your player is fatigued or stretching for a shot or balls that hit the the tape and sometimes they bounce in and sometimes it's a fault.
It's a very simple control scheme. You can hold down one of the three shot buttons for longer to get more power but if you don't time it right the accuracy is diminished. You can also just tap one of those buttons and it takes off some power but puts the ball closer to the line and you can also hit a shot that's not full power if you haven't given the bar enough charge.
I'm a bit concerned with the way PES has made the controls so complex. Just because people complained that the AI didn't make enough runs, they gave us both assisted and manual contro over which players make runs and exactly where they run. I'd like the AI to take care of that in conjunction with player stats and team tactics, rather than needing to use 8 fingers to control the play.
And the discussion about realism:
This is my view but perhaps some others may agree. I don't think the concern with PES 2014 is that it introduced realism and people actually realised that they want some "game-iness" to it. I think the issue is that PES 2014 overemphasised realism by slowing things down like turning speed and dribbling, exaggerating skill moves by slowing down the time taken to complete a move and making the defender stand off while the animation completes etc.
When things are slower on a game than they are in real life, it's going to look even more exaggerated. As mentioned by another poster a few pages back - the lack of variety from standing dribble to full sprint speed also gives the game a jerky, stop start feel instead of having the more natural rythym of the last couple of games.
I watched that video of the 25 goals and the ball should move through the air automatically depending on how the ball has been approached and struck. But again, Konami has left it up to the human player to master a complex button move to get the ball to move. That's not the way it should be.
I've been playing the latest Top Spin a fair bit and I wish PES and FIFA had that same level of variation in ball trajectory and error programming. Playing on Hard level, you see very realistic rallies with shots that just go long or wide because your player is fatigued or stretching for a shot or balls that hit the the tape and sometimes they bounce in and sometimes it's a fault.
It's a very simple control scheme. You can hold down one of the three shot buttons for longer to get more power but if you don't time it right the accuracy is diminished. You can also just tap one of those buttons and it takes off some power but puts the ball closer to the line and you can also hit a shot that's not full power if you haven't given the bar enough charge.
I'm a bit concerned with the way PES has made the controls so complex. Just because people complained that the AI didn't make enough runs, they gave us both assisted and manual contro over which players make runs and exactly where they run. I'd like the AI to take care of that in conjunction with player stats and team tactics, rather than needing to use 8 fingers to control the play.
And the discussion about realism:
This is my view but perhaps some others may agree. I don't think the concern with PES 2014 is that it introduced realism and people actually realised that they want some "game-iness" to it. I think the issue is that PES 2014 overemphasised realism by slowing things down like turning speed and dribbling, exaggerating skill moves by slowing down the time taken to complete a move and making the defender stand off while the animation completes etc.
When things are slower on a game than they are in real life, it's going to look even more exaggerated. As mentioned by another poster a few pages back - the lack of variety from standing dribble to full sprint speed also gives the game a jerky, stop start feel instead of having the more natural rythym of the last couple of games.
I watched that video of the 25 goals and the ball should move through the air automatically depending on how the ball has been approached and struck. But again, Konami has left it up to the human player to master a complex button move to get the ball to move. That's not the way it should be.
klashman69
Fight the Power!
- 28 November 2007
Absolutely and i do this on 22014, thing is it's very easy to do this on pes 2014 and well there isn't much of a need to do it since the game has so many flaws, you win without needing to do much tactical setup
Even in exhibition mode with no heart fucking up the game, the game doesn't yet present the challenge 13 did. Dribbling is a key thing also. i liked 2012 and 2013 because the AI actually ran at you! The dribbling in PES 2014 feels unfinished and doesn't all the AI to change pace and dribble at you, but their ball retention is much better than PES 2013, all counts for little in difficulty though
FIFA has never has and i doubt ever will work out how to get an AI to properly run at you, PES games before did it inconsistently, then quite well with pes3-2010, then 2012 was a bit too much and PES 2013 really hit a very nice sweet balance.
yes, that is only part 1 of 3
mahanddeem
Champions League
- 11 October 2007
2 points please and I want you to share what you think (I'm on PC by the way) :
1.Online : I'm having actually very good online matches (technically speaking) but for God sake is 99% of those who play online are 13 y/o asses who play just Real or Barca with CR7 or messi as a CF and their only strategy is long through balls to those 2 players ? I disconnected my last 2 matches and I didn't care about Konami courtesy shit level cause I couldn't stand it.
2.have you noticed that every patch you use (weather DLC based or even only a edit file) can affect game performance like player responsiveness, general game performance ?
What do you think especially PC guys ?
1.Online : I'm having actually very good online matches (technically speaking) but for God sake is 99% of those who play online are 13 y/o asses who play just Real or Barca with CR7 or messi as a CF and their only strategy is long through balls to those 2 players ? I disconnected my last 2 matches and I didn't care about Konami courtesy shit level cause I couldn't stand it.
2.have you noticed that every patch you use (weather DLC based or even only a edit file) can affect game performance like player responsiveness, general game performance ?
What do you think especially PC guys ?
Ameppe
International
- 23 December 2007
- Team
- SSC Napoli
Pes 2014 is in Top 100 sales in UK
http://metro.co.uk/2014/01/16/100-best-selling-video-games-of-2013-revealed-4265929/
Position number 89
Last year
http://www.mcvuk.com/news/read/revealed-2012-s-uktop100/0109259
it was at position number 66
Losing sales,not so much as i expected,since it managed to sell more than nba 2k14.It's honestly shocking how low Nba 2k14 sales are
http://metro.co.uk/2014/01/16/100-best-selling-video-games-of-2013-revealed-4265929/
Position number 89
Last year
http://www.mcvuk.com/news/read/revealed-2012-s-uktop100/0109259
it was at position number 66
Losing sales,not so much as i expected,since it managed to sell more than nba 2k14.It's honestly shocking how low Nba 2k14 sales are
So you're all saying that a game (talking about 2013, here) with virtually no physicality, players that feel very lightweight when they're used off the ball, frequent canned stumbling animations, CPU players (even poorly rated ones) that have an unrealistic turn of pace and touch that would make Messi turn his head, the inability to jostle for 50-50s or headers, and very little in the way of collision detection/physics has the best defending of any football game ever created? And by miles to boot? Interesting. It seems to me Klashman is talking from a purely tactical perspective, which is fine as defending has as much to do with your approach as it does actual defending, but from a mechanical perspective I'm not seeing it.
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- LUFC O.K.
This is the Xbox 360,PS3 thread, dont hijack it with PC talk .
There is a PC discussion thread for that, Thanks.
klashman69
Fight the Power!
- 28 November 2007
Physicality is certainly there off the ball and on it, it's not great aesthetically but it's there, look past the stumbling script to see it, that sstumbling animation was annoying in 2011, since there, there are so many ways to aviod it, only one place where you battle for a cross just hitting the touchline, then you stumble, thats annoying but in general, using R1 to effect properly and dribbling, shaking defenders off negates it.
The stumbling happens when a player becomes 'attached' to you in a jostle, it to stop players from just wheeling away with ease when dribbling, it's the limitations of the engine showing there.
Off the ball like in PES 5, supercancel is king. Balance and weight really helps in tussles.
The whole rubbish players turning you is simply bad defending, No player turns like Messi in this game. I played and easily beat North Korea with Ivory Coast about a month ago and none of the Koreans apart from their striker could just easily dribble past me, unless you invite them to go past you with inefficiency defending.
José Ricardo Marchese
Non-League
I think so for the next PES follow with the physicality of 2014 to add the command response of the 2013 and its stadiums and a greater number of European licenses so we would have a decent game and more UEFA teams in your competitions.
I think it has some interesting leagues to enter game
guys tell me what you guys think of the Russian Premier League & spor toto super lig if Konami contain these leagues for PES 2015?
I think it has some interesting leagues to enter game
guys tell me what you guys think of the Russian Premier League & spor toto super lig if Konami contain these leagues for PES 2015?
NikoLiberty4
Premier League
I would prefer a true overhaul of the database, so users can add new players, teams, kits, leagues, tournaments and stadiums without any limit. We are in 2014...I think so for the next PES follow with the physicality of 2014 to add the command response of the 2013 and its stadiums and a greater number of European licenses so we would have a decent game and more UEFA teams in your competitions.
I think it has some interesting leagues to enter game
guys tell me what you guys think of the Russian Premier League & spor toto super lig if Konami contain these leagues for PES 2015?
PD: For offline use. Online is another story...
henrys hand
Premier League
- 2 September 2010
For me I wish three things for PES 2015:
1. Somewhat realistic and varied tactical setup for all teams out of the box!
2. A realtime two tiered stamina/fatigue-system!
3. A global editor-option for the stats and everything!
1. Somewhat realistic and varied tactical setup for all teams out of the box!
2. A realtime two tiered stamina/fatigue-system!
3. A global editor-option for the stats and everything!
Ipswich69
Banned
- 25 July 2011
I think it's because basketball is a shit sport that isn't very popular outside of the states and one that is only seriously playable by a limited number of people.
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Jamezinho
Golden Boot Winner
Shit or not, it's the only American sport that has global appeal and is played on every continent. The Euroleague in particular is a big deal that draws sizeable crowds, particularly in southern and eastern Europe where many of the top soccer clubs have a basketball team.
So yeah, I'd say Basketball is very popular outside the states. NFL, on the other hand, draws a lot of interest but nobody plays it to a professional level outside the US. Baseball is very popular in places like Japan and Korea, Venezuela and Cuba, but apart from that, nobody cares.
Ummm the first part is your opinion the second statement is just ignorant. Michael Jordan is still the most famous athlete in the world.... And if you have watched an nba game recently the influx of international talent is ridiculous
Ipswich69
Banned
- 25 July 2011
Off topic now anyway.
ZeroTheHero
Banned
Why?
That game has gone downhill faster than a speeding bullet for years. Now it's all about the visuals and animations, otherwise an empty shell of a game.
I think so for the next PES follow with the physicality of 2014 to add the command response of the 2013 and its stadiums and a greater number of European licenses so we would have a decent game and more UEFA teams in your competitions.
I think it has some interesting leagues to enter game
guys tell me what you guys think of the Russian Premier League & spor toto super lig if Konami contain these leagues for PES 2015?
I personally don't see much of the 'new' physicality to really like. I suppose I expected more. As it is it's not a big leap forward in my eyes.
The big change is probably the pushing players while running, but there's really only 3 outcomes- fall over, stay on feet or get caught in the new unbreakable stumble animation. You have to wait until the players lock onto eachother before it's available.
The rest of the game is very similar to last yrs imo. It's all locked to the spot in canned animations like tackle scenarios, stumble animations, challenging headers etc. Defenders still run between dribbler and ball (player models making contact) without effecting a thing. (Big pet peeve)
Getting rid of the 'rails' mechanic in the Pes series is the only way to really improve it. But then again, no rails will improve everything about Pes
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