PES 2014 Discussion Thread

[stuartyd]

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Just played online again and its alot better now

Really? What platform?

 

[stuartyd]

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I use basic shooting and can absolutely thump the ball. I don't get floaty shots at all.
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Is this inside the box? I really can't hit a powerful shot when I get near the goal. My player always sidefoots it

 

[dannyfc2]

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Wandered online again tonight, few impressions....

There was minimal lag in the Friendly Lobby and I had some enjoyable games. Tried fully manual initially, but it's too much of a handicap to be competitive. Reverted to 1 bar assistance and had more success. Decent games with South American sides.

I then had two horrific games in the Ranking match-up, lag galore again.

Defensive Awareness seems an issue, especially with lag. Most of the goals I conceded came from being dispossessed by an attacker after failing to get rid. Fullbacks have a worrying tendency to track a forward run well behind the defensive line leaving it vulnerable to through balls.

I was a bit overhelmed by how much quicker the gameplay is. Two of the ranked opponents would just launch relentless through balls every time, and it's difficult to keep a calm head and not reciprocate. I get the impression it'd be easier to contend with once the servers are stable, but right now it can be extremely frustrating.

That said, ping pong passing seems a lot less effective. All my opponents had really low pass completion stats. Dribbling is also more enjoyable than against the CPU.

 

[dannyfc2]

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With regards to the Catch-Up 'bug', it's a design choice thats always been there, and tbh is less prevalent than early PES games. (excl. PES2)

Pace is still really effective so I don't understand the issue at all.

As for shooting, I've still not really figured it out. Occassionally I can really thump it, other times it'll be a really timid side-footer. Finesse shooting is still a mystery to me, cannot bend it into the corners like I used to.

 

[Coach pep]

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Some tips regarding sprinting for those who haven't quite got it yet

Don't forget to use the right stick almost all the time your'e dribbling. If you push the R3 (ps3) forward while running with the ball this will improve speed, besides tapping R1. It will also help you being more effective in direction changes.

And in my last game I found an important feature. Press R1 twice quickly to make a quick burst and leave defenders behind. It makes you accelerate really fast.

 

[araul]

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FYI, game doesn't come out in the US until tomorrow on the xbox.

Hi all. Seeing the game is already out on Xbox in the can a kind soul let me know if the US version has Closs and Niembro as cpmmentary options?

Dont leave me hanging guys.

Thanks

 

[spektarm]

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Eh? So what is it that you want? To run like the road runner away from the Coyote. Please watch a game irl and count how many times whsat you want happens. You can outrun a defender in PES2014

Just played online again and its alot better now

Problem is, people want PES to be like FIFA in that regard. On FIFA you can get like 20 meters away from defender using right stick knock on.

It's not very realistic.

So I'm assuming Zee thinks that me and other people (the sensible ones, not the sprint whores or whatever they're called) want what info0 says. Well, both of you are wrong.

I said that if the attacking player gets away with the ball, he should STAY ahead of the defender, without him closing the gap in a few steps (that of course is meant for a straight run, without changing direction and other actions which should naturally slow the attacker down).

The thing I don't understand is how you can look at the videos Stuart posted earlier and think that it's realistic when MERTESACKER suddenly gets as fast as Walcott??? Where does he gain that speed boost from? And why does Theo lose so much momentum?

Care to elaborate? I really want to hear real arguments in regards to the videos, clear examples showcasing the problem. I'm all ears.

 

[aitken]

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But you also got to take into account no player can run to there full potential if keep close control of the ball while sprinting therefore slowing them down. That's fact. It's not a difficult concept.

 

[losslesscompression]

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Remember, lofted ball (R2) is still viable during set-pieces. So if you feel you can't generate enough power for the far post, try holding R2/RT. I think this new set-pieces are better because it allow total control of the ball trajectory. While the old one was limited and scripted to some extent.

 

[radha1]

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i know its been said, but for newcomers, installing before playing does wonders.

my favorite thing so far happens at least a couple times a game....when i finally get the ball to my passing midfielder but he is leaning left and the ball is on his left foot but i see my RB start a run up the wing and i have to dribble the midfielder on to the right foot, under pressure. and when that finally happens, the RB has drifted offside or back into position. so i have to pass back to the CB and perhaps even back to the GK under pressure. Love that!

 

[araul]

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Hi all. Seeing the game is already out on Xbox in the can a kind soul let me know if the US version has Closs and Niembro as cpmmentary options?

Dont leave me hanging guys.

Thanks

bump. Anyne please? Sorry to be a pest but i want to order today if possible

Thanks

 

[sincover]

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I'm finding it hard to have any fun against the CPU. The animation pauses after every little collision are extremely annoying and when they are coupled with retarded teammate AI; shoddy player switching and referees that are blind/deaf/dumb, I'm left tearing my hair out.

I don't think they spent enough time working on the defensive portion of the game. As it stands, their is no difference between a bad defender or a good one (when under CPU control). Your AI teammates are fantastic when attacking, but brain dead when defending. Maybe Konami thinks the game will be too easy if my teammates were effective defenders?

I did play a couple of local games against a buddy of mine and they were great. For once I didn't feel like a 'special' kid at an adult swingers party (we were both 'special' kids). The game felt more enjoyable because we were both fairly afflicted by the same flaws.

I guess it's just a difference of philosophy. Since PES 2012 I think they've spent the majority of their time balancing the game for human vs human play, which makes sense for the series moving forward, it's just not for me anymore.

 

[embraceuk1]

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Agree with most in here Fucking hate the ketchup bugs

Are There Bugs in Ketchup?
Answer
There are not supposed to be bugs in ketchup. However, according to USDA standards, ketchup is No. 1 grade as long as it has no more than 30 fruit fly eggs per 100 grams.
Reference: www.cals.ncsu.edu

 

[Deluxe]

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Online service are working since today here in South America. First match against Barca (suprise suprise!) lagfest as hell
Hope Konami could fix this ASAP, this game is pure fun against Human and CPU aswell.

 

[wan_d7]

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But I think the shooting is, kind float feels weak. What setting do I have to alter to get the zip shooting like in older PES? I tried going manual shooting from advanced and it seems to be better and have more power to it, but I'm shit at manual.

 

[Lami]

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I use basic shooting and can absolutely thump the ball. I don't get floaty shots at all.

On a different note, it's strange but I felt zero speed was too fast, -1 too slow, but mucking around with my xbox,I chose the option to switch to 50htz instead of 60 and the game feels like a middle ground between the two. Really odd but it's great.

As for catch up, defenders do catch you but you can hold them off. Works a treat.

Yep. If you've played on the PS2 you'd remember the 50/60hz option you see every time you boot up. I remember they played a bit differently. Always preferred 50hz myself. Not sure how this is on this gen though. Never tried it.

Thanks for letting us know.

 

[stuartyd]

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Loving the downward headed goals

 

[romagnoli]

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Eh? So what is it that you want? To run like the road runner away from the Coyote. Please watch a game irl and count how many times whsat you want happens. You can outrun a defender in PES2014

Just played online again and its alot better now

The onus is on you to watch football - we already know what happens when a fast footballer is dribbling clear of a slow footballer with nobody in front of him.

Some of the logic people have been using - Lami, info, Zee - completely confuses a player not running at full pelt because someone is in the way (which should be just holding R1), with not being able to run full pelt at all (repeatedly tapping R1). It's so utterly basic and shouldn't need pointing out by me. It can only be deliberately obtuse reasoning, rather than something you actively objectively believe. Either way it doesn't feel like something we can have a proper conversation about because the truth of the matter is being obscured by the various different ways you're all choosing to misunderstand the situation.

 

[robbieryan]

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man the catch up bug here is ridiculous, why doesn't walcott just continue to sprint away from the slow cumbersome scottish defender, he was yards in front! he'll never be able to score now... oh

http://farm4.staticflickr.com/3762/9509820927_eb9e544d01_o.gif

 

[Sedorfa]

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Catch-up bug is a design decision,fast players are fast in real life and outpace slower players,that's how things work in reality(just look at C.Ronaldo,Bale,Walcott,A.Lennon and other fast players).
Konami has to implement the catch-up bug because other game mechanics are not advanced enough:
1)First touch is fundamental in football and neither game(Fifa/PES) replicates it properly;
2)An advanced stamina system is needed in order to have a realistic simulation,both short and long term stamina;
3)Ball control and players balance while running;
4)A.I. smart/dynamic enough to cover space.
Both games lack in those departments: in Fifa pace is the most important aspect of the game,in PES we have "ketch up bug"...

 

[gerd]

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I have two major problems who are quite essential in moden football: corner kicks and headers.

I'm sure the game is not to blame, i do plenty of things wrong and i'm far from the best player, but i need help.

I can't take a decent corner in PES: either the ball is going too far or the corner kick doesn't pass the first defender. How do i take a decent corner kick

Second problem: offensive headers. If i cross my players never seem to win headers. What am i doing wrong ?

About my Coppa Libertadores, played the first leg of the QF's against Atletico Mineiro (me being Newell's Old Boys), the home leg. A 1-0 win. One of the the most thrilling games i have played in a long time. Newell's dominating the match, but every Mineiro counter was very dangerous...nerve racking game...lovely.

Am also doing a league with Udinese. In that league Udines play Euro League and first match was a home match against AS Monaco. Took the lead in the first half 1-0 (Di Natale). At the beginning of the second half Falcao scored two quick goals and then i had 40 minutes to graft a result. In the Udines won 3-2 with goals from Leo Belleck and Di Natale. Markus Merkel is my first favourite player in this PES. Really love him.

So far i haven't seen a single goal error in the retail version (one in the demo, but that was Joe Hart, might even seem realistic).
The shots are far from floaty, i've already scored a couple of goals from outside the box.

What a shame that this game misses a finshing touch, because gameplay wise this is fantastic. And this coming from somebody would had given up all hope and who still considers Konami as hopeless. 2K should take over the developing team of PES.

 

[losslesscompression]

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^
Have you tried raising the trajectory, and dip it to the center? Also, you can try R2 combination for lofted ball. I won couple of header but the problem is i can't generate enough power from standing position. I think the header in this game is biased toward defensive player, about 70-30.

 

[info0]

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So I'm assuming Zee thinks that me and other people (the sensible ones, not the sprint whores or whatever they're called) want what info0 says. Well, both of you are wrong.

I said that if the attacking player gets away with the ball, he should STAY ahead of the defender, without him closing the gap in a few steps (that of course is meant for a straight run, without changing direction and other actions which should naturally slow the attacker down).

The thing I don't understand is how you can look at the videos Stuart posted earlier and think that it's realistic when MERTESACKER suddenly gets as fast as Walcott??? Where does he gain that speed boost from? And why does Theo lose so much momentum?

Care to elaborate? I really want to hear real arguments in regards to the videos, clear examples showcasing the problem. I'm all ears.

Simple thing. Look at stuart videos. Care to look at how Walcott is controlling the ball? There is slight animation jerkiness (like frame is missing for push ball further?). This is sole problem imo.

Mertesacker doesn't have to control ball, thus he reaches top speed very fast. Slash his acceleration and top speed and see if it makes difference. If it does, then it's exactly what I wrote what is the problem.

If this still happens after slashing attributes and maxing out Theo top speed/acceleration then it's what you showcase. Scripting kicks in for defenders... (though I am pretty sure it's difficulty dependent feature).

Care to do experiment? I know I did it in FIFA and slashing attributes massively in db made the game whole lot better (but, be aware, scripting in FIFA is way more clever than one would think. AI gets advantage in clever way at World Class/Legendary difficulty. It's done by simply making your team worse in every aspect than AI team. Attributes boosting for AI does not happen, but lowering values for user controlled team, does happen. So your players become slower tan Accarington guys and cannot now pass 2m in front of them ).


Wonder if same applies to PES.

To romagnoli, mate, I have no real problems with catch-up. There is however, problem with how animations are done in this new Pro Evolution. Something FIFA did to improve their game, but lose momentum/interia feeling.

In PES 2014 animations HAVE to finish before you can change direction, pass or shoot. Same applies to RUNNING with BALL. Look at stuart video with Theo. You can see this more clearly (there is small delay before Theo pushes the ball further from his feet). Mertesacker is without ball, so he reaches full speed fast. He can run without obstacle for animation engine.

DO experiment I posted above to see if catch-up is really deliberate choice or not. I believe PES Stats will be very helpful this year...

 

[Suuuuupertalk]

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Yep. If you've played on the PS2 you'd remember the 50/60hz option you see every time you boot up. I remember they played a bit differently. Always preferred 50hz myself. Not sure how this is on this gen though. Never tried it.

Thanks for letting us know.

No worries, I don't know if people with the PS3 version can change it but it's worth experimenting with on 360.

As for finesse shots with R2 as mentioned above, has anyone scored one yet? I haven't, apart from easy chances. I am however having success with pressing R2 after pressing shoot first, it still does that little lofted shot you could do in recent PES games. Seems successful in one on ones vs the keeper. That's on basic shooting.

 

[Malin2005]

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I have two major problems who are quite essential in moden football: corner kicks and headers.

I'm sure the game is not to blame, i do plenty of things wrong and i'm far from the best player, but i need help.

I can't take a decent corner in PES: either the ball is going too far or the corner kick doesn't pass the first defender. How do i take a decent corner kick

Second problem: offensive headers. If i cross my players never seem to win headers. What am i doing wrong ?

About my Coppa Libertadores, played the first leg of the QF's against Atletico Mineiro (me being Newell's Old Boys), the home leg. A 1-0 win. One of the the most thrilling games i have played in a long time. Newell's dominating the match, but every Mineiro counter was very dangerous...nerve racking game...lovely.

Am also doing a league with Udinese. In that league Udines play Euro League and first match was a home match against AS Monaco. Took the lead in the first half 1-0 (Di Natale). At the beginning of the second half Falcao scored two quick goals and then i had 40 minutes to graft a result. In the Udines won 3-2 with goals from Leo Belleck and Di Natale. Markus Merkel is my first favourite player in this PES. Really love him.

So far i haven't seen a single goal error in the retail version (one in the demo, but that was Joe Hart, might even seem realistic).
The shots are far from floaty, i've already scored a couple of goals from outside the box.

What a shame that this game misses a finshing touch, because gameplay wise this is fantastic. And this coming from somebody would had given up all hope and who still considers Konami as hopeless. 2K should take over the developing team of PES.

the problem with headers:you have to press the shoot button directly after you press the cross button...very strange imo...hope konami will fix it

 

[elfie]

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lots of catch up in this thread lately.
Always been more of a mayonaise guy myself.

 

[Lami]

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Playing on 360 now, UK version, and just wanted to confirm there are no framerate issues for me here, even on replays. Gameplan is still slow though. The PS3 version has serious issues with it. So smooth on the 360. Definitely sticking with this.

No worries, I don't know if people with the PS3 version can change it but it's worth experimenting with on 360.

How do you change between 50/60hz? Changed to 720p then it tests 50hz and that's it. Where's the option to switch? Or is it when it asks to test 50hz you go no and it stays on 60hz?

lots of catch up in this thread lately.
Always been more of a mayonaise guy myself.

 

[araul]

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Playing on 360 now, UK version, and just wanted to confirm there are no framerate issues for me here, even on replays. Gameplan is still slow though. The PS3 version has serious issues with it. So smooth on the 360. Definitely sticking with this.



How do you change between 50/60hz? Changed to 720p then it tests 50hz and that's it. Where's the option to switch? Or is it when it asks to test 50hz you go no and it stays on 60hz?

Lami can you please let me know wat commentary options there are on the PAL xbox version?

 

[Han]

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Sorry to answer this late. Whatever controler you use, it´s the the button for pressure. Now I use it alone, nothing else, and that helps ALOT in positioning and contending. Way better then previous versions in my opinion.

In previous versions I tried just that, but was often beaten by the infamous through-ball through the middle, where none of the CB came in action to stop the attacker. That's why I started to use the 2nd press ( square on PS 3 )and covered my defenders with my own player.
What I understand from you is that with PES 2014 you can succesfully defend against such through balls in the middle by only use the X button?
Do you only use to contain, or do you also use a standing tackle with pressing the X button twice?

 

[Barca_Fan13]

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Picked up this game yesterday and I'm loving it! Anyone know which commentary language is the least bland? I'm currently using Españoll (Argentina) and its somewhat bland.