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I am in South Africa playing people in Europe on a 10mbps line. Sorry but thay should be good enough to praise KONAMI or am I ruining the misery

Nothings changed besides Konami doing their regular maintenance on a Tuesday. Lobbies also looking healthy again

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My final thoughts on PES 2014 this year until the next update os regarding something no patch can fix and something which just isnt as good as in 2013.

Dribbling.

In 2013 it brought most of the good stuff from 2011 back improved it and hit a level ujprecidented in football game. Literally every single player in the game moved differently due to stat milestones and foot frequency levels. Just like in 2011. 2012 went a touch off track with all those auto stepovers and feint stuff. In 2013 The pace, l2 and r2 pace control was spot on. You could beat players naturally in so many different ways.

2014 has the problem where the dribbling is simply to slow and precise in general to wrong foot opponents. Players take too many safe touches. There is no direct180 turns or cruyff turns which are essential for dribblers using just the left stick and l2. ths hurts Lionel Messi the most. Hes nowhere near as dangerous as he usually head and shoulders the best player on the game and rightfully so becuase on abillity he is in real life.


But no I'm not disappointed and I wont throw my toys out the pram. I can see why it is the way it is. Its like a 'base layer' to be built upon. Animations wise the normal dribbling is faultless. Its fluid and transitions with no issues. No snapping to grid anymore. It allows nice control in tight spots on the touch lines and corner flags and in rather crowded space. What hits me from this dribbling is it must be kept and combined with the dribbling of 2013 next year. How I see it working is if you lighlty move the left stick the player will dribble like in 2014. Move the the stuck normally. Fully to the left, right, up and down etc... it will move like in 2013. This in theory wkuld be quality and the way forward.
 
easypeazy said:
This Question is directed at LAMI and the evoweb moderators.. is there a way evoweb can work together and create a very comprehensive feedback not just written feedback ,with videos, if possible with some evoweb members explaining what the issues are on ground gameplaywise with videos illustrating keeper errors,awareness,response, shooting , if possible draw on past games for reference so even the japanese dev team will find it easy to understand, then the evoweb members can even point out using some videos and video editing what the other game does right in some instances keepers for example mention how terrible the user interface is and give some examples with evoweb members-made User Interface.. Also touch on expectation for pes 2015 nextgen. Stating with video clips what the other game does well commentary,chants .... Stating that pes 2015 must surpass what the other game has started..... 60fps Replays, cloth physics, and a commentary worthy of the year 2014 , the transition from one animation to another should be polished..... More modes and probably introduce a feature to separate pes from any othe football game , the master league should rival football manager in depth even showing clips from football manager with video editing even if there are no licenses modders can do the rest, better soundtracks too showing pics or videos of pes 2009, also state that we need all those feature from the past pes games that made it great even from the ps2 era temprature and humidity, injured players bandaged, attack defense level for each player like on the old games,also show fans leaving, more varied celebrations, more pronounced individuality, if possible manager faces for each licensed teams like nba 2k does, and make the editable so that modders can do the rest .... I'll love to hear what u think about this... Let's save pes
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You're more than welcome to do that :)
 
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My final thoughts on PES 2014 this year until the next update os regarding something no patch can fix and something which just isnt as good as in 2013.

Dribbling.

In 2013 it brought most of the good stuff from 2011 back improved it and hit a level ujprecidented in football game. Literally every single player in the game moved differently due to stat milestones and foot frequency levels. Just like in 2011. 2012 went a touch off track with all those auto stepovers and feint stuff. In 2013 The pace, l2 and r2 pace control was spot on. You could beat players naturally in so many different ways.

2014 has the problem where the dribbling is simply to slow and precise in general to wrong foot opponents. Players take too many safe touches. There is no direct180 turns or cruyff turns which are essential for dribblers using just the left stick and l2. ths hurts Lionel Messi the most. Hes nowhere near as dangerous as he usually head and shoulders the best player on the game and rightfully so becuase on abillity he is in real life.


But no I'm not disappointed and I wont throw my toys out the pram. I can see why it is the way it is. Its like a 'base layer' to be built upon. Animations wise the normal dribbling is faultless. Its fluid and transitions with no issues. No snapping to grid anymore. It allows nice control in tight spots on the touch lines and corner flags and in rather crowded space. What hits me from this dribbling is it must be kept and combined with the dribbling of 2013 next year. How I see it working is if you lighlty move the left stick the player will dribble like in 2014. Move the the stuck normally. Fully to the left, right, up and down etc... it will move like in 2013. This in theory wkuld be quality and the way forward.
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Not so sure about the bold part mate.
Maybe against the com its harder but against human opponents Messi, Iniesta annd Neymar will tear you a new one.

One thing that does bug me though is how long it takes for players to control a general pass the transitions between the animations versus the time it takes for a defender to cloae down from 5 yards is imbalanced and this makes it scrappy.. having said this PES2014 is so so deep and different this game needs time and patience...i still cant believe that this place do not have that anymore. Jimmmys stance on this game leaves me gobsmacked

Where did all the hardcore fanboy retards go!
 
Northzzz said:
Agreed and the best advice I can give is to look at something like Street Fighter IV: Arcade Edition. Is it a realistic fighting game? No. What it is is a deeply layered fighting game. The very kind of game that PES used to be owing to the 'old-school japanese gameplay' style that you talk about.

Konami's issue has been managing all of the eggs they've been putting into the basket over the years. They simply haven't done it well and I'm not sure why I'd trust them at this point to move into the next-gen with anything but good intentions, though I'll always remain open-minded. New gameplay aspects have moved PES off-course into some awkward territory which many here (not all!) don't appreciate. It has left the game feeling like a Japanese game that desperately wants to appeal to the West and is unsurprisingly as awkward as any cultural product made in a different culture trying to impress another one. That's not necessarily a bad thing itself but I'd hasten Konami would do a better job if they just made it Japanese-like again because at the end of the day there's something Japanese devs do very well that Western ones don't. Leave Western games to Western developers or simply ship the game out to be made in Europe (I know they have a couple of teams there so maybe that's what they're trying to transition to).

I'll be frank when I say that I'd personally rather a balanced, in-depth, complex football game over a realistic-looking one but as you've already illustrated there's a few types of people out there and not everybody is going to agree on the matter.
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oh i think konami is back on the right track now man.

i mean if only keepers were better and shooting was more like in previous iterations pes 2014 was gonna be labeled as a masterpiece! these two things are the ONLY things that holds pes 2014 back.

i think konami have come a long way i dont know how many of you remember but all previous pes's especially the ones on ps2 era despite how legendary they were, all had one major fault in common and that was how easy you could score/concede a goal. all you had to do was play from the flags with the wingers turn in pass then shoot to score. in some others all you had to do was just play 2-3 passes in midfield followed by a well timed through ball and voila your attacker was one on one with the keeper. even pes 2013 you could just spam the lofted through ball for 90 min.

pes 2014 is safe to say that it is the most balanced pes to date by far thanks to one little addition the control of your backline
with the d-pad. after all these years konami has finally came up with an antidote, a counter, however you wanna call it for through-balls. to me this shows that konami is trying hard to eliminate all scrubby play allowing for better skilled based matches. now you have to play football to win, konami is indeed trying to evolve their game. step by step pes is turning into a simulation
 
Loving playing PES 2014 on top player with 1-bar and all DLC's removed. The DLC's have killed the game.

The other thing I did is to edit goalkeepers and to set all abilities of them to 99 (even those relating to non-goalkeeper-players), and they seem more reliable that way.

Having great matches.

The only thing I'm missing is a bit more finesse in dribbling so as to let a defender be caught on the wrong foot without having to use tricks or the runbutton.
 
I still asking myself what Konami did with PES this gen.

Clearly is not the "evolution" of the glorious past gen PES. Its like every nextgen version is a brainless invention different from his predecessor no even close to the base of the PES that everyone loves and remember with joy.

The clear example is the Street Fighter series.

The jump from II - III and this gen IV. The base is the same, some new improvements there, some HD 3D graphics here, but without touching the core that all fans enjoy.

That's is the only way that PES team should taked with PES.

Why change something that worked so good? Now the franchise is a headless chicken.
 
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Loving playing PES 2014 on top player with 1-bar and all DLC's removed. The DLC's have killed the game.

The other thing I did is to edit goalkeepers and to set all abilities of them to 99 (even those relating to non-goalkeeper-players), and they seem more reliable that way.

Having great matches.

The only thing I'm missing is a bit more finesse in dribbling so as to let a defender be caught on the wrong foot without having to use tricks or the runbutton.
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Similar. Top player, 1 bar at +1 gamespeed is where it's at for me. Plays almost as well as PES 3 & 5 with better animations. Shooting and keepers are what keep the game from greatness. PES used to excel at both in the PS2 days. Definitely the best PES on the field this generation though.
 
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Same here, Top player, 1 bar passing at 0 gamespeed and manual shooting.
I just missing dribling more, but apart of that having great games online here!!!
 
Yeah dribbling and shootings hard as hell but seems possible to master another lag gree game barr 1 disconnect against a mate in Poland. Seriously this is the best the online component has been ever the speed ia similar to -1 offline
 
Imho Pes 2014 patch 1.04 without any DLCs is the best football experience ever.

It takes quite some time to get behibd the new philosophy, but when it finally clicks it's simply awesome.

What Konami has created is nothing short of a masterpiece, flawed in some aspects, but nonetheless a masterpiece.

Konami has recreated the physical aspect of football, which was underrepresented in all previous Pes games, because the technology was not there.

But that means we need to relearn how to dribble, how to shield the ball, how to position the body when receiving the ball.

It means we have to physically fight to keep the ball and create opportunities.

So, different from previous pes games, it's more gritty, but once you take it into your calculations and adjust you can soon start to play some great football which was simply not possible in previous games.

It's great and rewarding and I can't wait to see what Konami can do with te 6x increased cpu power of the next gen next year, especially the AI should hopefully benefit.
And if Konami would finally take the time to set up the teams tactically somewhat realistic per default, that would be the icing on the cake.
 
zeemeister said:
Yeah dribbling and shootings hard as hell but seems possible to master another lag gree game barr 1 disconnect against a mate in Poland. Seriously this is the best the online component has been ever the speed ia similar to -1 offline
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While I'm happy that you can enjoy lag free games, the online component for me is near unplayable (US East). I don't share your sparkling perspective.

The problem with 2014 is that it fundamentally feels like a game rushed to market. They added lots of cool features, but recycled many bad aspects of previous games (I won't go into them as they've been discussed and repeated ad nauseam).

I would like Konami to challenge themselves and create a game that is enjoyable offline as well. I'd like them to properly manage their resources, hire industry experts and tackle the seemingly abandoned aspect of AI. If they can fix the roots, everything else will follow.
 
sincover said:
I would like Konami to challenge themselves and create a game that is enjoyable offline as well. I'd like them to properly manage their resources, hire industry experts and tackle the seemingly abandoned aspect of AI. If they can fix the roots, everything else will follow.
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Agree on this!
 
There were issues and alot has been rectified

I love how people ignore that


Every games company has issues these days. EA did it with battlefield regularly but you dont see the so called fans moaning aboit ficed issues

What do people gain from hating Konami / pes productions

The refusal to acknowledge the good or fixes is amusing.

Fact of the matter is np one here knows anything its all a bunch convoluted opinions based on heresay and limited understanding of game development.
 
zeemeister said:
When last have you tried it?
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I admittedly haven't played it since 1.04 came out.

zeemeister said:
There were issues and alot has been rectified

I love how people ignore that


Every games company has issues these days. EA did it with battlefield regularly but you dont see the so called fans moaning aboit ficed issues

What do people gain from hating Konami / pes productions

The refusal to acknowledge the good or fixes is amusing.

Fact of the matter is np one here knows anything its all a bunch convoluted opinions based on heresay and limited understanding of game development.
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You are right, none of us know what's happening behind the scenes in Konami JP, however it's awfully presumptuous to say that we all have a limited understanding of game development. I have worked on a few game projects as an animator, and while I am just an animator, I think I have a decent enough idea of the production process.

Some things were improved in 1.04 (shooting, CPU play), but other things were negatively affected (player switching). I've said many times that PES 2014's ground game in the midfield is fantastic as is its sense of physicality and pace, but as a pragmatist, I also acknowledge that there are fundamental issues with key aspects of the game. Now we can go back and forth about the perceived effect of these issues, but I think we can all agree that they exist.

I think you have a somewhat warped view of the 'moaning' on this board. When Jimmy or Klash complains, it's out of genuine concern about the future of the franchise, not malice. Posts that go into seemingly minute details about referees or goalkeepers can be complex but not necessarily convoluted. We have all spent hundreds, if not thousands of hours with this series over the years, I'm fairly confident that we all want to enjoy many more thousands.
 
shilamounainai said:
oh i think konami is back on the right track now man.

i mean if only keepers were better and shooting was more like in previous iterations pes 2014 was gonna be labeled as a masterpiece! these two things are the ONLY things that holds pes 2014 back.

i think konami have come a long way i dont know how many of you remember but all previous pes's especially the ones on ps2 era despite how legendary they were, all had one major fault in common and that was how easy you could score/concede a goal. all you had to do was play from the flags with the wingers turn in pass then shoot to score. in some others all you had to do was just play 2-3 passes in midfield followed by a well timed through ball and voila your attacker was one on one with the keeper. even pes 2013 you could just spam the lofted through ball for 90 min.

pes 2014 is safe to say that it is the most balanced pes to date by far thanks to one little addition the control of your backline
with the d-pad. after all these years konami has finally came up with an antidote, a counter, however you wanna call it for through-balls. to me this shows that konami is trying hard to eliminate all scrubby play allowing for better skilled based matches. now you have to play football to win, konami is indeed trying to evolve their game. step by step pes is turning into a simulation
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I too believe the details in this game is commendable. I can feel every touch I take on the ball now. I find both PES13 and PES14 enjoyable, they're very different in terms of gameplay, but slow pace of PES14 is incredibly fun.

2 things that should be on the list next The next thing they need to do is to eradicate 180 degree passes, making the passer entirely miss the ball, or making the pass extremely soft and inaccurate. The stamina build up from constantly pressuring should also be VERY pronounced. Perhaps give an "aggresive workhorse" card to the very selected few players who are relentless pressurers. Introducing these 2 details into the game will further require better anticipation and awareness from players, where on the field they choose to build up their play (180 degree passes won't get you out of trouble anymore if you play yourself into a bad situation), and where to choose to close down opponents on the field (constant pressure is punishable).

Another problem I see with the game currently is that it is still very easy for an assisted pass to reach your forwards' feet in a long distance pass (with the X button). It's as if it snaps onto the receiver's feet magnetically. There's not much your defender can do about this if you play online, the forward will get there to trap the ball before you can react. Many times I see people online try to bypass midfield play using this trick, and then just proceed to try and use the forwards to lose your last man, hoping to be clear on goal.
 
katata said:
does auto feint affect the dribble if it is on but you do not use it????
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I have no clue what it does. I've always had it off. Dribbling like this wouldn't be possible with the old dribbling speed. The close control in this game is really wonderful.
 
Barca_Fan13 said:
I have no clue what it does. I've always had it off. Dribbling like this wouldn't be possible with the old dribbling speed. The close control in this game is really wonderful.
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close control with R2 ????? or just left analog stick ???
thank you Barca Fan
 
Barca_Fan13 said:
I have no clue what it does. I've always had it off. Dribbling like this wouldn't be possible with the old dribbling speed. The close control in this game is really wonderful.
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Yep. Downloaded the pes 2014 trick tutorial on my phone and took to the traimong pitch. Its alot mpre advanced than what we have the last few years. Neymar Cronaldo, Ronaldinho et Al are phenomenal with the plethora of tricks the have, boggles my mind why they would do this and allow everyone to be able to do the Damn rainbow flick.
 
katata said:
close control with R2 ????? or just left analog stick ???
thank you Barca Fan
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Left analog stick only. Holding R2 does nothing.


zeemeister said:
Yep. Downloaded the pes 2014 trick tutorial on my phone and took to the traimong pitch. Its alot mpre advanced than what we have the last few years. Neymar Cronaldo, Ronaldinho et Al are phenomenal with the plethora of tricks the have, boggles my mind why they would do this and allow everyone to be able to do the Damn rainbow flick.
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Well, theoretically, any player can do any trick. I think there should be a "confidence" stat, where it would determine how well a player can pull off a trick + trick combos. Though this would depend on how much pressure is on the player, the speed he's going.
 
One thing i miss, which used to be hugely prominent in FIFA and a favorite of mine was

BEEF! PELEA! FIGHTS!

What ever happened to arguments after bad tackles or a game boiling over through bad temper? I'd really like to see some player personalities implemented into the game, i'd like to see players lose their composure and possibly intimidate others affecting the mentality of the game, more arguments off the ball in a derby match or a match with high intensity and high pressure.

Also it's really about time there was a section in team edit to edit which teams are rivals to eachover an how intense the rivalry is.
 
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