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PES 2014 Discussion Thread

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I still play this. But no matter how much I like the gameplay I can't ignore the lack of modes and replay-value (and soundtrack). Part of me blame the online portion of the game. Can't believe all the great offline modes have been swapped for the shambolic online modes.

I don't think they will ever get the online right, unless KONAMI HQ do something extra-ordinary about it. Wish they just scrap the entire online mode and bring back those good old offline mode especially PES 4 - 6 Master League mode.

At least last year they tried something, although in a nutshell it was a brainstorming session went wrong (boots, items, unlockable online). This year it just plain. Even Sensible Soccer 96-97 had the better career mode.
 
Editing is the way to go here for those not wanting to wait on Konami to bring out a patch.

Obviously the defensive lines of most teams are too high and their defensive compactness too limited so that it's a pressure and sprint/throughball/lobball-feast.

Do something about it. Take a league and change these things to your liking, and you'll have a better gaming experience. It's even possible to edit defensive awareness of the goalkeepers, there is only one or two per team, so it shouldn't take too long to adjust the goalkeepers.


This is probably most of what Konami does when releasing a patch, and should take about an hour or two to do, so why wait?
 
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henrys hand said:
Do something about it. Take a league and change these things to your liking, and you'll have a better gaming experience.
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I did (Dutch league)and it is a better experience. But one league is not enough because with Ajax i play CL. So i have to edit all european leagues too.

And you can't change things like missing long shot attempts, missing foul calls, missing AI goals after corner kicks etc. So overall it is a little better game experience but still not a very good one (just my opinion). And if Konami decide to release a new patch next month they may change the high defensive line or the over the top pressing again. That means you may have to edit all the tactics again.

I think it is a very good advice to change the tactics because it has a positive gameplay effect without a doubt. But i will wait for a new patch before i start to edit all european leagues. Maybe after the next patch the game is more finished and the game overall is a little bit more fun. Then it would be more worth to spend all the time for editing all the leagues.
 
Jimmy G-Force said:
Oh it's more than a drama, it's like the world has ended........... :(

I'm a PES Junkie, I have no fix, and all the dealers are clean out of everything until next year. This is what you call a 'Cold Christmas Turkey'.
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Go back to PES13 and find some peace :)). It's a solid game and it's a fun game. I'm back to it too waiting for a new patch for PES14.
 
Ipswich69 said:
Completely understand really. I've essentially felt that way for 6 years now. I like PES 2014 on the field but it doesn't get played as much now and has flaws that are hard to ignore, particularly the keepers and shooting for me. Off the field is a mess and ML doesn't do it for me anymore. Picked up FIFA 14 for cheap off of Amazon recently and it's so much better than PES in just about every department except for the "feel" of the players and the football. May be worth a try...
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Fifa 14 is really not that bad. They have slowed the game down from previous games. I'm thoroughly enjoying it.
 
Just had the game of my life.

I did what was suggested on a post here (+40% Defense Awareness) and what a difference it made. I played a World Cup match, I was Spain, my opponent was South Korea. I won 5-1, but it wasn't a scoring fest. South Korea defended well, counter-attacking and pressing my team (their gameplan was set to All-Out Attack). Each keeper made great saves, Casillas had even made 1 or 2 one-on-one saves, nothing that I had seen pre-editing. By the end of the match each team had at least 10 shots, 6 or 7 which were on net. Despite the scoring, it was a good game, if Casillas had not made those clinical saves, the scoreline would have been much different.

I recommend everyone to edit their OF, it really is a game changer.
 
henrys hand said:
Editing is the way to go here for those not wanting to wait on Konami to bring out a patch.

Obviously the defensive lines of most teams are too high and their defensive compactness too limited so that it's a pressure and sprint/throughball/lobball-feast.

Do something about it. Take a league and change these things to your liking, and you'll have a better gaming experience. It's even possible to edit defensive awareness of the goalkeepers, there is only one or two per team, so it shouldn't take too long to adjust the goalkeepers.


This is probably most of what Konami does when releasing a patch, and should take about an hour or two to do, so why wait?
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I already did that. It's made a difference, but not that much of a difference.
 
Sold it.
The soul of PES has dissapeared completely on this gen. Hope Seabass come back for 2015.

Thanks god there still exist Shollym's patch. He just released today 2013-2014
 
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When did seabass leave KONAMI?

Maybe another reason is that KONAMI just relies on the modding community because they obviously know that it grew quite big.
That way the save time and money and are not really motivated in providing a well balanced game like PES 5 or PES 6.

The patches existed that time also but they haven´t been that easy to install (screwing around with afs explorer etc) as they are now.
Now (since PES 2011 I think) you just have to run an exe file or copy and paste a few folders around and it´s done and that´s why I think that almost everybody uses those patches.

They even can influence the gameplay and so much other stuff nowadays.
Could be a possibility.

But doesn´t make sense to me as every company tries to please their customers to sell as much as possible.

But there is so much that doesn´t make sense.
Someone posted here that EA is doing it right by keeping the good features and sorting out the faulty ones or implementing new ones.
That´s the way to go and I keep wondering year after year why KONAMI isn´t doing it this way.

There are so many things they have taken out without any reason like tactics till PES 6 where you could set the arrows on every player which direction he should run, free replay cam, online chatting, 2vs2 or league mode which was gone and came back differently, player development stats in master league, again tactics to set the player on "offensive", "defensive" or "balanced" (that has been possible in PES 2010 and was useful specially for the wing defenders) and list goes on and on.
Also what really bugs me is that this year it´s not fun watching the replay gallery anymore because the replay is cut way too short.
If you scored a goal with great passing and wanna save it, forget it.
You just see a few seconds before the shot was made.
Why the hell was that changed???

Weather effects also. I understand that with new engine on the current systems it wasn´t possible but why the hell didn´t they communicate it properly? At very beginning they announced that PES 2014 will have dynamic weather effects. I also don´t think that it would have been necessary to implement rain with high details and effects.
Rain in FIFA is also not a special artwork. To me it´s actually kind of annoying. It´s not fun playing a FIFA match in rain. The thick raindrops dropping down the screen don´t really look realistic and the gameplay ain´t fun as well.
Whenever rain is set automatically on a match, I set it back to sunny or whatever.
When you watch a football match and it´s raining, then you also don´t see every raindrop and a match played in hardcore heavy rain isn´t much fun to watch.
So I think some grey fog or blur effect for rain would have been enough.
Just like they had i on PES 2013.

Same with snow. PES 6 had snowflakes falling down and that was the last time we ever saw that on PES.
Also not necessary. A turf with a little snow on the sides, players with gloves and long sleeves and maybe crowd with gloves, scarfs, winter caps and thick jackets would have been totally enough.
If they can change the crowd to arabic people on AFC games, they should be able to change them more winter like.

If they would just do it right, they could bring out such a great game!
Never gonna understand what´s wrong with them. Do they actually test the game they release? I don´t think so.

To me, PES 2014 is the right direction ganeplay wise but there are many things need to be fixed. To me PES 2014 is still fun somehow but it I know that it could be much more if they would just do it the right way.

PES 2015 on nextgen is KONAMI´s big chance and I really hope they don´t screw up.
They have what it takes, they just need to be very thorough, communicate properly and don´t f*** around with the features.
Bring back the old good ones and please please keep the good and useful ones!

Honestly I have to say though, after all these years and releases that showed KONAMI´s policy and mentality...

I don´t have much hope :(
 
Barca_Fan13 said:
Just had the game of my life.

I did what was suggested on a post here (+40% Defense Awareness) and what a difference it made. I played a World Cup match, I was Spain, my opponent was South Korea. I won 5-1, but it wasn't a scoring fest. South Korea defended well, counter-attacking and pressing my team (their gameplan was set to All-Out Attack). Each keeper made great saves, Casillas had even made 1 or 2 one-on-one saves, nothing that I had seen pre-editing. By the end of the match each team had at least 10 shots, 6 or 7 which were on net. Despite the scoring, it was a good game, if Casillas had not made those clinical saves, the scoreline would have been much different.

I recommend everyone to edit their OF, it really is a game changer.
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Glad you liked. :))

This small edit makes PES 2014 on the pitch equal to the best of the series (I occasionally play also ISS 2 and PES 6). Now I am sure about it.
 
The problem is than on consoles editing the stats of the players is a lot of work. There is unfortunately no global editing options.
 
I can only say that reducing the defensive line and the defensive compactness is a game changer. You get more room and possibilities to play creatively.
Sure it doesn't make the cpu ai any cleverer but it makes the game a lot of fun to play despite the flaws.
 
henrys hand said:
The problem is than on consoles editing the stats of the players is a lot of work. There is unfortunately no global editing options.
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If you know how to extract and convert the OF from your PS3 or Xbox to PC you can use the PES2014 PC editor and make global changes that way.
 
Bluemagic21 said:
I thought i read sea bass has been working on the next gen version?
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Don't get too excited, it's not Seabass of prior PES 6 fame, it's an actual seabass. A fish.

But, alpha testing has shown the fish in question has a better f...ing idea than the current PES testers as to what constitutes any form of defensive reality.
 
I don't think it matters if it's Kei Masuda, Seabass or anyone else in charge of PES productions. The rot is set deeper than one individual, almost as if it's a cultural problem within Konami that prevents them from getting their act together.
 
Jamezinho said:
I don't think it matters if it's Kei Masuda, Seabass or anyone else in charge of PES productions. The rot is set deeper than one individual, almost as if it's a cultural problem within Konami that prevents them from getting their act together.
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It's a cultural problem, but in the PES team's case, it's a "the boss behind the scenes" cultural problem.
 
I went back to pes 13, and yes, what an enjoyable pes game when played vs another human who plays proper football.
very good pes game, where tactics and player inputs are the decisive factors, not the weird randomness pes 14 promotes. Too many ""wrong" things happen too often in pes 14, edited or not. It is too unreal to be enjoyed.
A million times said but, no fucking long shots because the keepers act like those in old arcade football games...who the hell tested this shit? And those rebounds and tap ins after...ridiculous...

Viva pes 13.
 
Jamezinho said:
Sad times, Jimmy. Never thought I'd see the day.
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Wait, even Jimmy is not happy with the game ? :SHOCK:

Ok, I'll definetely skip it then... :LOL:

What's so wrong with PES this year ?

Hopefully I get a PS4 before world cup. The next footy game I'll buy will be the 2014 Fifa world cup mainly because of the fact that it will be in Brazil.

I really hope Konami makes a good transition between the old and new generation next year.
 
I enjoyed this years but am finally over it only cause they have one mode which is ML and they can't even get that right, who the fuck were listening too, to want that mode simplified shouldv been the other way around, it has no depth at all and has finally bored me out. Next year modes are imperative at the very least, cause iv now reverted to fifa for the first time ever but on NG, current gen that game is fkn shite. NG tho has impressed me a lot and they r on the right track, first time I feel alil bit of individuality and the pace of the game is really good. All I know is if pes 2015 doesn't deliver modes, an in indepth ML and good game without these basic annoying bugs that shouldn't be in the game in the first place. Then PES is finished.
 
I just tried to fill in that feedback survey twice, both times it didn't work and randomly sent me back to the beginning after about fifteen minutes of doing the survey. The company is a joke. Not even the survey works.

Plus, virtually none of the questions were even PES related, but where I could add my feedback I was pretty scathing. Maybe that's why it sent me back to the beginning.
 
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Yeah, the first two questions are really nothing to do with PES. Closed the survey at that point.

Really bizarre.

Not that I'm interested in offering feedback anyway. It's like pissing into the wind.
 
Jamezinho said:
Yeah, the first two questions are really nothing to do with PES. Closed the survey at that point.

Really bizarre.

Not that I'm interested in offering feedback anyway. It's like pissing into the wind.
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They do eventually get to PES 2014, but for all the questions before it chucked me back to the beginning, there was one solitary box to actually type your opinions, the rest were really odd multiple choice stuff like ticking which stuff is important - Master League, offline modes (do they REALLY need feedback to establish if they're important?!) and, erm, if you like their mobile app.
 
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