dannyfc2
Premier League
- 9 June 2009
Is PC FIFA as good as the console one?
PES 2014 Discussion Thread
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It's better, because you can add custom patches/mods to the game, improve gameplay, have more customization on cameras with simple cl.ini editing, etc.
niharjhatn
League 2
- 2 December 2012
Eh, I also don't get the guys idolising FIFA. The wonky ball physics, collisions, incredible AI boosting and cheating, lack of meaningful player traits, mindless tactics...
Pro Evo's AI feels like Deep Blue playing chess compared to FIFA's.
EA seems to do an excellent job creating distracting features to draw the focus off the pitch it seems.
Pro Evo's AI feels like Deep Blue playing chess compared to FIFA's.
EA seems to do an excellent job creating distracting features to draw the focus off the pitch it seems.
Guys struggling with long shots or hard shots in general should practice and master the knuckle shot. A new dimension to the game in my opinion is that you now have to plan for a long shot. Player balance, strongest foot and timing is key, just as in real life. I have scored a handful, hit the bar and posts numerous times and doesn't feel that it is as bad as the majority thinks Hope it doesn't get too easy come November.
Thank you for your LIFE LESSON...Now I feel a better man...but..let me say..I read your post..you at first say "we cannot complain about people destroying the game"...ok..then you finsih saying " Remind that many people cannot buy a game and need to save money in order to buy it..." YOUR LOGIC IS GREAT...now you can keep laughing...but let me do the same about your post if you don't mind ok?
You can complain about people destroying their game, but you use silly arguments. Why rich Arabs or poor people are even mentioned while THIS IS A PRO EVO FORUM is beyond me. Applaud all you want, if you want to give KONAMI your money...then by all means. but next time you take a shit when you sit on the toilet, I hope you realize the poop you are shitting is free, you don't need to pay 60 euro's for that.
Nobody is "idolising" FIFA or saying it is a perfect game. Why do you take things out of context here?
I think all that is being said is that as a package FIFA offers far more than Pro Evo at the moment. FIFA feels finished Proevo doesnt. Both games got bugs although proevos bugs affect fundamental play, not a mode or two but the WHOLE game. There is a huge difference. Are you going to say proevo on the pitch is a great game? Where do we start, mediocre goalkeepers, poor defender awareness, the stupid set piece guide, inability to move or modify a wall when defending a free kick, the erratic player switch system, too lenient referees, inability to turn without touching the ball like in previous versions.. If all the above are patched then yes, no doubt pro evo will be the better game on the pitch and that may be enough for some, for me it isnt sadly but at least it will be enough to play both games each for their own strengths!
Thespeedster84
Champions League
- 4 October 2010
You know some GK animation of one handed save will always result in the long shot being parried by GK. It should not be. It should be able to result in goal too with the same animation but he just could not reach the ball.
The consistency regarding how GK catch a powerful shot. Sometimes he parry, or the ball slips, which I think fine and realistic. But catch powerful shot going to top corner makes me surprised.
_anderson
Retired Fanboy
If you really think that FIFA video is any good and if you're setting the bar for PES with it, than I'll be skipping this entire generation of sports gaming.
Really disappointed with what I've seen on both FIFA and NBA2K. Slightly shinier versions of the same thing...
Really disappointed with what I've seen on both FIFA and NBA2K. Slightly shinier versions of the same thing...
Different settings on the Xboxes, perhaps? Have you checked that they are the same, same output format? Or maybe they're connected to different TVs?
niharjhatn
League 2
- 2 December 2012
FIFA 14's experience is almost entirely re-creatable using SELF edits for FIFA 13 on PC.
NBA 2k actually had some pretty good gameplay improvements out of the box but yeah the entire focus in on next gen (which looks bloody brilliant I must say).
_anderson
Retired Fanboy
I'm talking about the NG videos.
Suuuuupertalk
International
- 17 August 2010
- Luton Town
Even if next gen FIFA turns out to be a shinier and slightly improved version then I'll still be getting it, because it's still improving on what's gone before.
PES has somehow regressed in my opinion. For all the fancy new animations and foot planting, inertia etc, it has completely lost that sense of unpredictability that made PES great. I remember thinking even back on PS2 days that PES was great because no two goals you ever scored were the same. PES 2014 is the first game in PES' history where I genuinely can't say that anymore.
PES has somehow regressed in my opinion. For all the fancy new animations and foot planting, inertia etc, it has completely lost that sense of unpredictability that made PES great. I remember thinking even back on PS2 days that PES was great because no two goals you ever scored were the same. PES 2014 is the first game in PES' history where I genuinely can't say that anymore.
ok ok, nice post...but are you sure I really give my money to Konami?
You steal (probably download) and still complain?????????????
I rest my case.
try running in 720P on t.v if that doesnt work then pray for good patch in november
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I tried them on the same tv, both via HDMI but the old xbox has no problem with 1080p while the newer one is set 2 720p because of the framerate.
its def. a hardware problem I think because the old xbox360 does a good job and the newer one ( my box ) not.
I really like the game but I really get pissed after af we games because it breaks the flow of the game.
And all of the problems I hear are on the ps3 .
There's still a sense of unpredictability in it, I think, but unfortunately, due to the incredibly poor awareness and reactions of players in and around the box (coupled with all the other issues as well), you end up scoring the same type of odd looking goals all the time. This is the one area where Fifa is a lot better than PES this year, in my opinion, goalmouth action, or play in and around the box is a lot more exciting and unpredictable than PES.
Let's hope the patch fixes some of it, but I'm not exactly holding my breath.
Suuuuupertalk
International
- 17 August 2010
- Luton Town
I've put my 360 copy up for sale, I haven't activated the online pass yet so I'm hoping I'll recoup most of what I paid for it....maybe...
I just can't see any patch fixing all the issues I have with the game, not by a long shot. Besides, I'm usually on here ranting about how maddening the game can be sometimes but that's because past versions have been capable of bringing such enjoyment followed by moments of utter madness. This game is just flat and dull.
I'm really not seeing any goals that are different, it's all so predictable. I played a lot last night for the first time in a week or so and it didn't feel fresh. I gave up entirely trying long shots, and I also gave up trying R2 shots from anywhere apart from when the keeper is a couple of yards away, in which case they almost always go in. Apart from that, R2 shots are totally useless.
I've really given the game a good go but I just can't enjoy it. I tried tonight playing a Copa tournament with Corinthians, on Superstar, 25 minute games, and I ended up switching the game off after 75 minutes. Partly due to boredom, partly due to the sheer array of issues with the gameplay. By the time I switched it off, I was winning 3-0, with the CPU doing nothing apart from trying constant chipped through-balls which I can easily deal with, and also constantly passing the ball low to the near post. I'm so tired of seeing the CPU do that.
In the match I scored three times and all three left me feeling totally unexcited and shaking my head at the incompetence of the CPU's defending. It ruined all three goals. First one, I play the ball into the box and Pato poked the ball past the keeper, but the replay shows their defender marking him just stood like a zombie, rooted to the spot as Pato walked past him and poked the ball home. Second, Pato headed straight at the keeper only for him to parry the ball into his own net.
As for the third, well, if it's possible, it's the worst PES goal I've ever SCORED. The ball fell to my player about thirty yards from goal. I charged up for a shot. He didn't react, and didn't kick the ball. Instead, he kind of 'auto' ran in a straight line towards goal with the power bar stuck on near full. He auto-ran into three CPU defenders on the edge of the box, who all for some reason backed off and actively moved aside to let him walk into the box. THEN, the keeper didn't bother coming off his line to meet the striker, and the shot finally took place, or un-froze itself, six-yards out and he lashed it into the roof of the net because he couldn't miss. That's just rubbish.
I think Konami have done the right thing in going down a 'simulation' route, and the player control on the ball is great, but the AI is simply awful. Worse than in previous games.
I just can't see any patch fixing all the issues I have with the game, not by a long shot. Besides, I'm usually on here ranting about how maddening the game can be sometimes but that's because past versions have been capable of bringing such enjoyment followed by moments of utter madness. This game is just flat and dull.
I'm really not seeing any goals that are different, it's all so predictable. I played a lot last night for the first time in a week or so and it didn't feel fresh. I gave up entirely trying long shots, and I also gave up trying R2 shots from anywhere apart from when the keeper is a couple of yards away, in which case they almost always go in. Apart from that, R2 shots are totally useless.
I've really given the game a good go but I just can't enjoy it. I tried tonight playing a Copa tournament with Corinthians, on Superstar, 25 minute games, and I ended up switching the game off after 75 minutes. Partly due to boredom, partly due to the sheer array of issues with the gameplay. By the time I switched it off, I was winning 3-0, with the CPU doing nothing apart from trying constant chipped through-balls which I can easily deal with, and also constantly passing the ball low to the near post. I'm so tired of seeing the CPU do that.
In the match I scored three times and all three left me feeling totally unexcited and shaking my head at the incompetence of the CPU's defending. It ruined all three goals. First one, I play the ball into the box and Pato poked the ball past the keeper, but the replay shows their defender marking him just stood like a zombie, rooted to the spot as Pato walked past him and poked the ball home. Second, Pato headed straight at the keeper only for him to parry the ball into his own net.
As for the third, well, if it's possible, it's the worst PES goal I've ever SCORED. The ball fell to my player about thirty yards from goal. I charged up for a shot. He didn't react, and didn't kick the ball. Instead, he kind of 'auto' ran in a straight line towards goal with the power bar stuck on near full. He auto-ran into three CPU defenders on the edge of the box, who all for some reason backed off and actively moved aside to let him walk into the box. THEN, the keeper didn't bother coming off his line to meet the striker, and the shot finally took place, or un-froze itself, six-yards out and he lashed it into the roof of the net because he couldn't miss. That's just rubbish.
I think Konami have done the right thing in going down a 'simulation' route, and the player control on the ball is great, but the AI is simply awful. Worse than in previous games.
Suuuuupertalk
International
- 17 August 2010
- Luton Town
So, after a decent attempt with the game, here's a little summary of what I think of it:
POSITIVES
- Animations are lovely.
- Right stick usage is great.
- Triangle or Y to do downwards headers and low shots is awesome.
- Graphics are nice. But certainly not 'almost real' that Konami were claiming.
NEGATIVES
- Keepers are atrocious from close to medium range, invincible from long range.
- AI defensive and attacking awareness are also atrocious. Defenders wander off, midfielders rarely make runs, attackers are stilted. Where's the cross-field runs from PES2013?
- The game varies in competition modes from being difficult to the game just letting you walk the ball into the net like it's bugged.
- Shooting is screwed. Both R2 and long shots don't ever go in, yet R2 when the keeper is a few feet away works almost every time.
- Does 'Heart' work? I tested it with Pato, he started on green 'Heart', blue arrow. He scored two goals and yet it still showed as exactly the same.
- 'Heart' and arrows combined are stupidly overpowered and unbalance the gameplay.
- Downward headers, while a great addition, are totally overpowered.
- When chasing loose balls, there are still clearly 'rails' forcing me to use super-cancel to change direction.
- The lack of stadiums is really jarring
- The commentary is simply awful
- The lack of anything to do in ML is again, awful. ML on PS2 had more depth and more options.
- Transfers are WAAAAY out of date and will be again not long after the transfer update finally hits.
- No alternate weather.
- And the biggest thing for me, players don't feel as individual as they used to. The only differences are between players good at dribbling and those not so good at it. Playmakers like Xavi and Pirlo kinda feel a bit useless. Their positioning and passing accuracy used to stand out in older games but in this, it doesn't seem to make much difference. Not that I can tell, anyways.
- The music in-game is absolutely dire.
- Menus are slow, laggy and look dated.
- Player celebrations have no context to them, and are extremely repetitive. If you're 2-0 down, and pull a goal back in the 85th minute, rather than picking the ball up and running back to the centre circle, as in previous games, your player still sprints to the corner flag like he's just won the game. Another aspect that's worse than previous versions and ruins the immersion even further. Either way, even if a celebration is different, it always involves the player sprinting at full speed to the corner flag. It makes it feel like you're watching the same thing over and over again.
Sigh. Maybe people disagree if anyone bothers to read it, but that's how I feel about my favourite game series of all time. I'm known on here for my extreme shifts in opinion but that's because PES has the ability to be wildly fun then wildly frustrating in equal measure. Not this version, unfortunately. I just can't see a November patch fixing all the gameplay related issues.
POSITIVES
- Animations are lovely.
- Right stick usage is great.
- Triangle or Y to do downwards headers and low shots is awesome.
- Graphics are nice. But certainly not 'almost real' that Konami were claiming.
NEGATIVES
- Keepers are atrocious from close to medium range, invincible from long range.
- AI defensive and attacking awareness are also atrocious. Defenders wander off, midfielders rarely make runs, attackers are stilted. Where's the cross-field runs from PES2013?
- The game varies in competition modes from being difficult to the game just letting you walk the ball into the net like it's bugged.
- Shooting is screwed. Both R2 and long shots don't ever go in, yet R2 when the keeper is a few feet away works almost every time.
- Does 'Heart' work? I tested it with Pato, he started on green 'Heart', blue arrow. He scored two goals and yet it still showed as exactly the same.
- 'Heart' and arrows combined are stupidly overpowered and unbalance the gameplay.
- Downward headers, while a great addition, are totally overpowered.
- When chasing loose balls, there are still clearly 'rails' forcing me to use super-cancel to change direction.
- The lack of stadiums is really jarring
- The commentary is simply awful
- The lack of anything to do in ML is again, awful. ML on PS2 had more depth and more options.
- Transfers are WAAAAY out of date and will be again not long after the transfer update finally hits.
- No alternate weather.
- And the biggest thing for me, players don't feel as individual as they used to. The only differences are between players good at dribbling and those not so good at it. Playmakers like Xavi and Pirlo kinda feel a bit useless. Their positioning and passing accuracy used to stand out in older games but in this, it doesn't seem to make much difference. Not that I can tell, anyways.
- The music in-game is absolutely dire.
- Menus are slow, laggy and look dated.
- Player celebrations have no context to them, and are extremely repetitive. If you're 2-0 down, and pull a goal back in the 85th minute, rather than picking the ball up and running back to the centre circle, as in previous games, your player still sprints to the corner flag like he's just won the game. Another aspect that's worse than previous versions and ruins the immersion even further. Either way, even if a celebration is different, it always involves the player sprinting at full speed to the corner flag. It makes it feel like you're watching the same thing over and over again.
Sigh. Maybe people disagree if anyone bothers to read it, but that's how I feel about my favourite game series of all time. I'm known on here for my extreme shifts in opinion but that's because PES has the ability to be wildly fun then wildly frustrating in equal measure. Not this version, unfortunately. I just can't see a November patch fixing all the gameplay related issues.
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info0
Banned
I've put my 360 copy up for sale, I haven't activated the online pass yet so I'm hoping I'll recoup most of what I paid for it....maybe...
I just can't see any patch fixing all the issues I have with the game, not by a long shot. Besides, I'm usually on here ranting about how maddening the game can be sometimes but that's because past versions have been capable of bringing such enjoyment followed by moments of utter madness. This game is just flat and dull.
I'm really not seeing any goals that are different, it's all so predictable. I played a lot last night for the first time in a week or so and it didn't feel fresh. I gave up entirely trying long shots, and I also gave up trying R2 shots from anywhere apart from when the keeper is a couple of yards away, in which case they almost always go in. Apart from that, R2 shots are totally useless.
I've really given the game a good go but I just can't enjoy it. I tried tonight playing a Copa tournament with Corinthians, on Superstar, 25 minute games, and I ended up switching the game off after 75 minutes. Partly due to boredom, partly due to the sheer array of issues with the gameplay. By the time I switched it off, I was winning 3-0, with the CPU doing nothing apart from trying constant chipped through-balls which I can easily deal with, and also constantly passing the ball low to the near post. I'm so tired of seeing the CPU do that.
In the match I scored three times and all three left me feeling totally unexcited and shaking my head at the incompetence of the CPU's defending. It ruined all three goals. First one, I play the ball into the box and Pato poked the ball past the keeper, but the replay shows their defender marking him just stood like a zombie, rooted to the spot as Pato walked past him and poked the ball home. Second, Pato headed straight at the keeper only for him to parry the ball into his own net.
As for the third, well, if it's possible, it's the worst PES goal I've ever SCORED. The ball fell to my player about thirty yards from goal. I charged up for a shot. He didn't react, and didn't kick the ball. Instead, he kind of 'auto' ran in a straight line towards goal with the power bar stuck on near full. He auto-ran into three CPU defenders on the edge of the box, who all for some reason backed off and actively moved aside to let him walk into the box. THEN, the keeper didn't bother coming off his line to meet the striker, and the shot finally took place, or un-froze itself, six-yards out and he lashed it into the roof of the net because he couldn't miss. That's just rubbish.
I think Konami have done the right thing in going down a 'simulation' route, and the player control on the ball is great, but the AI is simply awful. Worse than in previous games.
+1 to that. After 2 weeks of day in and out of playing this game, you see same patterns used from AI, poor GK animations, poor awareness of players, players going OUT of playing field WITH ball or missing SIMPLE pass which goes out near them, LACK OF POWER in long range shots/freekicks, etc.
Now you could recreate most real-life goals up till PES 2012.
On PES 2013 and now 2014 you cannot do that.
I dare you to try and recreate any of below goals on PES 2014 without them looking funny (that means GK REACTING realistically):
YouTube - October #4 - 2013 | Best Goals of the Week
Try it. You cannot do it.
Or this:
YouTube - BEST GOAL OF THE SEASON : 2012-2013
Sadly, due to goalkeepers NEVER coming out, it's impossible
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Suuuuupertalk
International
- 17 August 2010
- Luton Town
Yeah I agree, sad thing is I can't even go back to PES2013 because I tried it the other day, and next to the new version it looks horribly robotic and dated. So Konami did a great job in the animations department, but I've never seen a PES game with such little variety. The mantra of all PES games was always that it's unpredictable, no two goals scored are ever the same, but somehow it's gone the way of early FIFA games in that there are set ways of scoring and nothing else works. That's really bad for a football game in 2013.
Maybe the patch will address some of these issues but there are far too many to fix. I don't even think the way both teams set themselves up positionally is even very realistic. There's too much about the game that just doesn't 'feel' right.
As for goal variety, even in PES2013 I could score a vast array of goals. I could score from long range but that was nicely varied, and rare enough that you could attempt a long shot in hope of a goal but mostly knowing it won't go in. But you always know that for every 20 long shots you might try, a special goal could be just round the corner. I scored from long range, hit low long range shots, lobbed onrushing keepers, and scored from closer ranges in virtually every angle, from a variety of build up play. Not in this version. Every goal scored or conceded come from crosses, and one-v-ones with the keeper, mostly having bungled their way through the defensive back line.
But I just don't understand how the defensive awareness works in this, for example how the COM can be tightly marking players, tackling sharply etc for 89 minutes but then will so blatantly just step aside and almost let you score. It leaves you feeling like the game decided to let you win.
The AI needs to be re-written from the ground-up in my opinion.
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I agree about everything you've just forget to say that
POSITIVES
the "Y" or "triangle" to make headings low works also for volley kicks and bycicle kick
NEGATIVES
Refree sucks and a little graphic glitch (maybe I am the only one to notice it): goals post shadow disappear during gameplay (daytime games of course) and appear during replays
Deluxe
Championship
- 2 September 2005
Same toughts. All my hopes to November patch to fix the gameplay issues, don't care about menus or music. If not, no football game this year again.
Daaamn this gen was hardly awful with PES, 9 years i couldn't enjoy a PES game properly.
zeemeister
foxy engine
Gee this place is depressing!
I agree that there are faults BUT
New engine, New leader, New UK office old excuses I know but real issues nonetheless.
FIFA have refined and refined this entire generation to the point where they are now. Comparing the two is not fair imo you could even argue that FIFA is seriously lacking innovation. Their biggest trump card for next gen is multiple players jumping for a header - I mean seriously jumping jiminy what the fuck is that!
For FIFA 14 they introduced shooting thats been in PES since the 90s and I am pretty sure that if it werent for PES we would be fucked! EA cannot innovate they copy PES and make it sound like they came up with the shit.
I am not trying to turn this into a PES vs FIFA discussion just want to set the record straight that FIFA14 and EA in general are not masters of the trade here - I know a fair few FIFA fans that are disgusted with EA
I agree that there are faults BUT
New engine, New leader, New UK office old excuses I know but real issues nonetheless.
FIFA have refined and refined this entire generation to the point where they are now. Comparing the two is not fair imo you could even argue that FIFA is seriously lacking innovation. Their biggest trump card for next gen is multiple players jumping for a header - I mean seriously jumping jiminy what the fuck is that!
For FIFA 14 they introduced shooting thats been in PES since the 90s and I am pretty sure that if it werent for PES we would be fucked! EA cannot innovate they copy PES and make it sound like they came up with the shit.
I am not trying to turn this into a PES vs FIFA discussion just want to set the record straight that FIFA14 and EA in general are not masters of the trade here - I know a fair few FIFA fans that are disgusted with EA
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Thespeedster84
Champions League
- 4 October 2010
I disagree with copy stuff in this particular part. General part of gameplay e.g shooting, ball physic, etc improvement should not be called copying. Let's say if Master League is improved to the extent of FIFA CM level. would you call it PES copy FIFA ?
Even FIFA make a heading system capable of more than 2 player going for it, and brand it with whatever marketing lines.. It is not really an issue, isn't it ?
Back to PES 2014, I am having fun actually with midfield passing, back to the defender etc. I don't think i could play PES 2013's because of this, let alone FIFA (still be open-minded with next gen version. However, why now the heading in PES only involve 2 player ? i don't understand why konami can't maintain this part of gameplay where PES is good at, especially inside box.
DeaconBlues
League 2
- 3 April 2010
- La Viola
FIFA caters to its audience so well.
Wanted to spend some time with the 6 year old so I invited him into the Man Cave. Set up a 10 minute game Beginner difficulty Advance through Basic shot. Off everything else on his control settings with Real Madrid. By the 35 minute he is crying because he has not scored yet. At the half I let him know that the CPU poses no threat and that if he plays his game he will win. Game ends 2-1 my son wins
From there I fire up FIFA13 2 button control Amateur difficulty with Real Madrid. He scores with in the first 3 minutes and the game ends 5-0 with my son being the winner.
I can wax poetic about the intricacies of PES till I am blue in the face. Guess which game my son wants to play most.
I love the Franchise and what it tries to replicate. I fear in this day and age that it is simply not enough for the Ritalin crowd.
Wanted to spend some time with the 6 year old so I invited him into the Man Cave. Set up a 10 minute game Beginner difficulty Advance through Basic shot. Off everything else on his control settings with Real Madrid. By the 35 minute he is crying because he has not scored yet. At the half I let him know that the CPU poses no threat and that if he plays his game he will win. Game ends 2-1 my son wins
From there I fire up FIFA13 2 button control Amateur difficulty with Real Madrid. He scores with in the first 3 minutes and the game ends 5-0 with my son being the winner.
I can wax poetic about the intricacies of PES till I am blue in the face. Guess which game my son wants to play most.
I love the Franchise and what it tries to replicate. I fear in this day and age that it is simply not enough for the Ritalin crowd.
I don't agree that the gap between the games are all that great, and that PES has so much in the gameplay department over Fifa, at least not this year. Sure, FIFA feels a bit cheaper somehow than PES, passing ain't great in it, but it's not like you really need to build up every attack in PES or think like a footballer to be able to win games in it. Find a good formation in PES, and as long as heart or ML cheating AI isn't against you, you'll find most games pretty easy, even on Superstar difficulty. The AI just isn't "all that" this year, and to claim that PES is somewhat of a more sophisticated game this year is a stretch. At least at this point. Hopefully, a patch will remedy some of that.
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