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fanolato said:
The problem is why didn't Konami last year make their deal exclusive? Why didn't they get exclusive deals back when they were raking in more money?

The stadium editor excuse sounds like bullshit. It will be back next year or the year after once they have time to put it in. They just want to pass the buck, instead of putting it on themselves. There is no legal way a stadium creator, where you create generic stadiums, can be flagged down because of licensing. Either Konami are idiots falling for an idle threat, or they just didn't have the time to put it in. Which is fine if they didn't have the time, but don't give us that lame excuse.

Regarding La Liga stadiums, Konami should have locked an exclusive deal last year. They should have known EA were going to come back with a vengeance after the Camp Nou wasn't allowed to be in their game. Who are the business idiots in charge at Konami for licensing, that did not see that coming?

Why doesn't Konami leverage the licenses it does have to reach an agreement with EA to use PL/Bundesliga licenses in exchange for CL/EL? I just find Konami lack of intent and ideas very frustrating.
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:TD: You have it all wrong my friend
 
Already been venting this morning on Twitter re the stadium issue but might as well post in here too. I don't blame EA for protecting the money they've spent on exclusives but the initial act of exclusive licensing is borderline collusion between EA sports and the clubs/FA's that they're creating the deals with.

Can you imagine if Apple locked out Windows and Android Phones from being able to use certain apps like Facebook or Twitter. This would mean if you want to use those apps you'd have to get an iPhone or iPad. Same with EA sports and their exclusivity deals - to me they're aimed at reducing competition in the marketplace, which can be illegal.

Remember how Microsoft got in trouble because they wouldn't allow you to install a 3rd party browser on Windows and forced users to install Internet Explorer? That's even more vague than this licensing stuff but they still got in trouble for trying to lock out their competitors.

EA Sports don't have every single stadium licensed, so why is the stadium editor not included?

Konami have an exclusive on the UCL and Europa league and paid good money to do so, so why are EA Sports allowed to have fake UCL and Europa Leagues in their career mode? How can EA Sports enforce exclusivity on things like stadiums and Bundesliga when they have fake implementations of something that's a PES exclusive??

Whilst I can live with some of these stadiums being gone, if the stadium editor was in fact a legal matter then it spells bad news for the entire edit mode. Vote with your feet gentelmen - buying a copy of FIFA will be putting a nail in the PES coffin. Every dollar they get will be another dollar that they can use to throw around against Konami.

I too want the best football game possible and if that happens to be FIFA then I'll buy it, but the more of our money they get, the less chance ANY competitor has of keeping EA Sports honest. Like others have said, instead of fixing gameplay issues, EA Sports just make minor tweaks and enter exclusive deals, the effects of which could also be achieved with non-exclusive deals.

If it gets to a point where they are the only company making a football game, they will be able to lose licenses without anyone else picking them up and they can also stagnate their game development because there's no competitor.

Just like FIFA 13, I won't be buying FIFA 14 - on principle!
 
Enjoying some of the demo footage and visuals though :)

p.s. if Adam or Konami are reading, I fully understand the reason for the rain being left out after reading the write up but surely things like cloudy weather or evening lighting can be implemented this year as they won't affect the ball or pitch conditions, only the stadium lighting??
 
fanolato said:
The problem is why didn't Konami last year make their deal exclusive? Why didn't they get exclusive deals back when they were raking in more money?

The stadium editor excuse sounds like bullshit. It will be back next year or the year after once they have time to put it in. They just want to pass the buck, instead of putting it on themselves. There is no legal way a stadium creator, where you create generic stadiums, can be flagged down because of licensing. Either Konami are idiots falling for an idle threat, or they just didn't have the time to put it in. Which is fine if they didn't have the time, but don't give us that lame excuse.

Regarding La Liga stadiums, Konami should have locked an exclusive deal last year. They should have known EA were going to come back with a vengeance after the Camp Nou wasn't allowed to be in their game. Who are the business idiots in charge at Konami for licensing, that did not see that coming?

Why doesn't Konami leverage the licenses it does have to reach an agreement with EA to use PL/Bundesliga licenses in exchange for CL/EL? I just find Konami lack of intent and ideas very frustrating.
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I don't think Konami have enough money to do any exclusive deals. I haven't see anything in Konami's game that isn't also in EA's game but the truth is not the same on the other foot.

Even with the Champions League, Europa League etc.. the key there is that EA when they had the licence from 2004-2007, again EA only care about MONEY and have to have a separate game altogether rather than integrate the Champions League into their own FIFA game.

There is beef between FIFA and UEFA also, FIFA needs to acquire UEFA licences for teams separate and EA just can't be arsed to buy certain teams to make sure they have every Champions League and Europa League team licences. This is why UEFA are happy to be partners with Konami.

EA don't want to release anything unless it has all of the teams licensed. With the Camp Nou, again, don't make any sense how Konami just for one year got exclusive rights to that, that is all on EA's part why it wasn't in.

Unless they can make money from marketing licensed content EA won't touch it.
 
here's a very simple question that's been overlooked due to the hustle & bustle.............. how the hell did konami allow their demo to leak?!!!??! :CONF:
 
CalcioCalabrese said:
Already been venting this morning on Twitter re the stadium issue but might as well post in here too. I don't blame EA for protecting the money they've spent on exclusives but the initial act of exclusive licensing is borderline collusion between EA sports and the clubs/FA's that they're creating the deals with.

Can you imagine if Apple locked out Windows and Android Phones from being able to use certain apps like Facebook or Twitter. This would mean if you want to use those apps you'd have to get an iPhone or iPad. Same with EA sports and their exclusivity deals - to me they're aimed at reducing competition in the marketplace, which can be illegal.

Remember how Microsoft got in trouble because they wouldn't allow you to install a 3rd party browser on Windows and forced users to install Internet Explorer? That's even more vague than this licensing stuff but they still got in trouble for trying to lock out their competitors.

EA Sports don't have every single stadium licensed, so why is the stadium editor not included?

Konami have an exclusive on the UCL and Europa league and paid good money to do so, so why are EA Sports allowed to have fake UCL and Europa Leagues in their career mode? How can EA Sports enforce exclusivity on things like stadiums and Bundesliga when they have fake implementations of something that's a PES exclusive??

Whilst I can live with some of these stadiums being gone, if the stadium editor was in fact a legal matter then it spells bad news for the entire edit mode. Vote with your feet gentelmen - buying a copy of FIFA will be putting a nail in the PES coffin. Every dollar they get will be another dollar that they can use to throw around against Konami.

I too want the best football game possible and if that happens to be FIFA then I'll buy it, but the more of our money they get, the less chance ANY competitor has of keeping EA Sports honest. Like others have said, instead of fixing gameplay issues, EA Sports just make minor tweaks and enter exclusive deals, the effects of which could also be achieved with non-exclusive deals.

If it gets to a point where they are the only company making a football game, they will be able to lose licenses without anyone else picking them up and they can also stagnate their game development because there's no competitor.

Just like FIFA 13, I won't be buying FIFA 14 - on principle!
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Brilliant post man.

I agree, this is what I fear here. We will have one company trying to make a football game where as the other will just try throwing its dirty money at Clubs to buy exclusive content and create more and more gimmicks to take your money and run.

This could end up getting worse than in the PS2 era, the gap between the games will never be as big as this year since FIFA 2004 to PES 3. That was ten years ago! The gap will be even bigger than that now. Back then even PES only had about 5 clubs licensed and no full leagues at all, and with FIFA having so many teams was a massive selling point.

For EA to come back, they will need to rebuild their gameplay, cut out all this gimmick, passing pro tactical defending shit, go back to the world cup game, rebuild that and start from there. This news here regarding licences shows EA will just keep shelling out shit and their new strategy is sabotage by licences.
 
They're even giving away their game with the new Xbox. Tells you something about both EA and Microsoft.

Others have mentioned this too but it would be great if more fake stadiums and cloudy/evening weather can be patched into PES 2014 in the coming months. They said the new engine allows content to be created quite quickly. They could use it as a testbed for creating those aspects on PES 2015...that's my reasoning anyway haha
 
Ipswich69 said:
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Hi Ipswich69, I'm sorry if it's too much to ask, but I was wondering if I could use you account data to download the demo. I'm like dying to try it...

I'd totally understand if you say no.... Thanks in advance!
 
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klashman69 said:
I don't think Konami have enough money to do any exclusive deals. I haven't see anything in Konami's game that isn't also in EA's game but the truth is not the same on the other foot.

Even with the Champions League, Europa League etc.. the key there is that EA when they had the licence from 2004-2007, again EA only care about MONEY and have to have a separate game altogether rather than integrate the Champions League into their own FIFA game.

There is beef between FIFA and UEFA also, FIFA needs to acquire UEFA licences for teams separate and EA just can't be arsed to buy certain teams to make sure they have every Champions League and Europa League team licences. This is why UEFA are happy to be partners with Konami.

EA don't want to release anything unless it has all of the teams licensed. With the Camp Nou, again, don't make any sense how Konami just for one year got exclusive rights to that, that is all on EA's part why it wasn't in.

Unless they can make money from marketing licensed content EA won't touch it.
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EA has the UEFA EUROS.

There is still no lawful reason for having gotten rid of stadium editor. They know they can say licensing as an excuse for not having had time and then bring it back next year and brag about how they fought back for it.
 
The catch-up bug is DEFINETELY still there. It's SO annoying. Just like in PES 2012.

I don't have any issues about responsiveness and lag except for replays. But this freaking catch-up bug is so dissapointing, frustrating and game breaker for me. The worst part is: I KNOW 100% THEY WON'T FIX IT FOR THE FULL GAME.
 
F D B said:
The catch-up bug is DEFINETELY still there. It's SO annoying. Just like in PES 2012.

I don't have any issues about responsiveness and lag except for replays. But this freaking catch-up bug is so dissapointing, frustrating and game breaker for me. The worst part is: I KNOW 100% THEY WON'T FIX IT FOR THE FULL GAME.
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@ bolded part, why?

and i agree, the catch up bug is there, and it blows. the defenders sucks into you to initiate the tussle/shoulder barging animation, so not only does he catch up to you but he also slows you down for 1-3seconds!
 
TheSteeeeels said:
@ bolded part, why?

and i agree, the catch up bug is there, and it blows. the defenders sucks into you to initiate the tussle/shoulder barging animation, so not only does he catch up to you but he also slows you down for 1-3seconds!
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It's a hunch.
First of all because I haven't seen/read anybody shining the spotlight on this problem in NONE of the read-ups (previews, hands-on, test codes, E3, GamesCom, etc). I can't even remember anybody at least MENTIONING it. People like Asim, Adam, the people from EuroGamer, GamerSyde, not even on Twitter, etc, etc... none of them mentioned the catch-up bug...

Some of them mentioned the lack of response between pressing a button and the actual outcome. Some of them mentioned game speed being too slow. Some of them mentioned through balls being overpowered. None of them mentioned the catch-up bug.

So I assume Konami has been working hard on fixing the pointed issues more than anything. Also because, if Konami added catch-up bug they might think it's needed for the game, or else... why would it even be there?.
 
If anyone has this downloaded on their alternate account, could this someone maybe share it with me? Would love to try it out. PM me if you so desire, if not that is fine. 'Real' demo not too far away. Glad that most of the impressions seem positive, even though it is an earlier build.

As for the whole Stadiums and Licensing issues. It is disappointing to say the least. Konami obviously can not compete with EA. What is absolutely frightening is that a feature such a 'stadium creator' can be locked out of the game when it in itself is not breaking any obvious laws that I know of due to the features generic nature. Hopefully we get to keep player edit etc. for the foreseeable future. Have fun people and please keep updating the thread with impressions and complaints.
 
F D B said:
The catch-up bug is DEFINETELY still there. It's SO annoying. Just like in PES 2012.

I don't have any issues about responsiveness and lag except for replays. But this freaking catch-up bug is so dissapointing, frustrating and game breaker for me. The worst part is: I KNOW 100% THEY WON'T FIX IT FOR THE FULL GAME.
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Can You understand this demo was cancelled because is beta ver? Wait for 11 sep and than judge:FAIL:
 
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