Many don't realise what they're missing until they're given the opportunity for curiosity to get the better of them.
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Many don't realise what they're missing until they're given the opportunity for curiosity to get the better of them.
sincover
Championship
- 16 August 2010
FIFA is hands down EA's biggest cash cow, raking in hundreds of millions of dollars per year. FIFA 13 alone sold 15 million copies. I'm sure it also doesn't hurt to have the rights to practically all of the EU teams/players for use in the immensely popular FUT mode.
With these facts in mind it wouldn't surprise me if acquiring the licenses alone ate up a significant proportion of the production budget.
ss4_goku
Premier League
My mates and I loved to play with exotic leagues. Since the old days, my mates and I would play with the J Leagues, Korean Leagues even though we don't watch those leagues and it helps our passing game and such a lot more (especially since we're used to the high pace Barca, Real, Bayern, etc). We enjoy it very much and its fun when all you depend on are those hexagons and not knowing how the team plays, you are forced to play with different styles and try new things.
All and all, we love playing with unknown teams from unknown leagues. It can't always be the big teams all the time...
All and all, we love playing with unknown teams from unknown leagues. It can't always be the big teams all the time...
I seldom post around here but here are my two cents:
More leagues means PES is able to generate more sales globally, reaching markets that perhaps Fifa isn't so strong in. This is a business decision and in addition, football is a global sport so why not let as many people enjoy playing the game? Going to a mate's house and sitting down for hours pitting your skill against his is one of the most satisfying playtime I have. This should be shared!
In addition, more sales means more $$ which means more $$ for development. Businesses have to balance sales and development costs. If development costs are too much and the sales figures cannot cover it, its not good for Konami at all and subsequently bad for us. That's reality.
Finally, we have so many awesome people who work on kits, names and all the editing goodness year after year (for PC and Consoles). Is licenses really a big deal? Honestly, not to me. I rather they use the money for what is really much much more important: gameplay!
The most enjoyable part (for me) of PES is playing with your mates but if gameplay isn't a great balance between realism and fun, nor is controls intuitive, then the game becomes frustrating. The more features Konami adds, it boils down how it is executed. Great ideas are nothing without execution.
More leagues means PES is able to generate more sales globally, reaching markets that perhaps Fifa isn't so strong in. This is a business decision and in addition, football is a global sport so why not let as many people enjoy playing the game? Going to a mate's house and sitting down for hours pitting your skill against his is one of the most satisfying playtime I have. This should be shared!
In addition, more sales means more $$ which means more $$ for development. Businesses have to balance sales and development costs. If development costs are too much and the sales figures cannot cover it, its not good for Konami at all and subsequently bad for us. That's reality.
Finally, we have so many awesome people who work on kits, names and all the editing goodness year after year (for PC and Consoles). Is licenses really a big deal? Honestly, not to me. I rather they use the money for what is really much much more important: gameplay!
The most enjoyable part (for me) of PES is playing with your mates but if gameplay isn't a great balance between realism and fun, nor is controls intuitive, then the game becomes frustrating. The more features Konami adds, it boils down how it is executed. Great ideas are nothing without execution.
gerd
Retired Footballer
It's "Chili" and not chilie.
I think it's fantastic that Konami have included both Argentinian and Chilean leagues. Of course gameplay is even more important.
But lets dream for one time and suppose the gameplay will be ok.
The fact that attracted me most about PES in the PS2 days was that i could discover unknown teams.
As a Belgian at first i was disappoined that the Jupiler League wasn't included, but it turned out to be a blessing in disguise as i discovered some clubs i still until today (Real Sociedad, Atalanta, Usc Palermo, Valenciennes,...).
In current gen i only like PES2011 but somehow ended up buying all the editions and it turned out that the Coppa Libertadores was the mode i loved most because i loved to play with unknown clubs. Even with bad PES games you still have to play to the strength of the teams and with South-American teams one can play slow but very skillful, technical football. The best goals i ever scored were with Newell's Old Boys in PES2011, and even in PES2013 i scored a couple of amazing goals with South American teams.
There is more in football than the Premier League and Rangers, believe me...
thereplicant
League 1
I agree but to most Europeans all we care about is the champions league and our main leagues that's all I'm saying.
im glad they konami put in south american leagues, i get sick of playing the same european leagues all the time, as konami say in there interviews how crowds will react to different styles of play, im assuming being in south america you'll need to play attractive attacking football or feel the wrath of the crowd, thumbs up for me, but by saying this all this will mean shit to me if the AI is terrible.
just to clarify in english its chilE not chili..
and my 2 cents i think the divisional structure of konami is different to ea and maybe pes productions doesnt get as much help as ea sports. konami has huge financial musclepower, overall does near ea, not quite, but bear enough. i believe in terms of net profit they are ahead of ea. remember konami also has publishing rights to yugioh etc and other huge global money making brands. if they focused investments on pes, they could easily match up to fifa. for various business reasons they dont.....
Im assuming this happens depending on the formations you use.It's in one of the interviews in one of the four episodes was explaining how different countries play there football for example sth America = attacking. England is fast and direct . Spanish very tactical, the crowd reacts to how u play, it will be amazing if they pull it off. For example u play defensive in a culture where there known to attack it might trigger a negative reaction with the crowd.
The Doctor76
Premier League
LOL, i hope you are joking to compare chile with asia. Asian CL is a big incentive for asian markets, not only a country..
OK, smart arse. How many people who aren't Asian are going to play the Asian CL?
And to the other clown - no, it isn't just about the Premiership 'innit'. What it isn't about is some footballing backwater like Asia.
irfo2004
League 1
- 7 August 2005
Hey i'm from Asia and i'm welcoming Acl in pes 2014 and lets not forget konami is asian company too so they have right to add acl and thier league, infact i'm only getting PES 2014 only beacuse of ACL
ss4_goku
Premier League
Let's agree to disagree before this topic here gets into a very ugly place...(Man, we need the demo quick). Many here feel that having more global teams and leagues can help expand the game's market and the aid the game as more teams the merrier. While many others feel that they should focus on making the gameplay rather than having more teams that they will rarely play with. (But I'm sure we all want the gameplay to be great as a whole)
But I think as a business perspective, it is a great thing as many people bought FIFA back in the old PS1/2 days simply because it had the licenses to the teams that they liked, regardless of gameplay. Maybe this will help Konami with the financial boost for PES and hire better people to make the game better. (With that in mind, I don't mind their PR being crap if they hire better programmers and ppl who actually know football)
But I think as a business perspective, it is a great thing as many people bought FIFA back in the old PS1/2 days simply because it had the licenses to the teams that they liked, regardless of gameplay. Maybe this will help Konami with the financial boost for PES and hire better people to make the game better. (With that in mind, I don't mind their PR being crap if they hire better programmers and ppl who actually know football)
RockyJJP
FIFA fan, PES lover
If the gameplay in PES2014 Truly spectacular. I will play every mode and league. If it has the feel & it recreates the feeling of real football. We'll all want to delve into every mode.
gerd
Retired Footballer
How do you define "footballing backwater " ?
When is a country a "footballing backwater" or when not ?
There are Asian teams that might well beat English teams.
And are all Asian teams by definition "footballing backwaters" and are there no "footballing backwaters" in England ?
I must say your post confuses me and even gives the impression of being very paternalistic and perhaps (god forbid) even being racist. Surely that could never have been your intention...
Your avatar suggests that you have very outspoken opinions that might need some explanation and arguments but that are very obvious for you. For me they are not.
Please humour me and explain. Thanks in advance.
saintric
Premier League
- 9 October 2007
I see those aspects of football to be way too intricate to ever replicate them on programming tbh. In theory it sounds fantastic but this is something I really have big doubts they can ever nail.
I'll be happy to be called a fool if they do so.
The Doctor76
Premier League
How long have Asian teams been in football? Have they been around as long as European teams (at no point did I specifically mention English teams - in fact I clearly stated that it isn't just about the Premiership). Look at it this way: everyone who watches football knows about the Premiership, La Liga, Serie A etc - how many outside of Asia know that much about Asian teams? Furthermore, it's nothing to do with whether a team can beat another team - in England for example, lower league teams frequently beat the 'big guys'. It has nothing to do with a team's ability.
Nothing racist about it - I'm simply stating a fact. Asian teams are not well known in comparison to European teams. Name one Asian team that can be mentioned in the same breath as Man Utd, Barcelona, Real Madrid? Hence, they're a footballing backwater. No doubt securing such licences costs a lot of money: funds that could be used to improve the actual gameplay itself.
As for my avatar, that's simply a reflection of my annoyance with EA fobbing PC gamers off with recycled Fifa for years. Now they're doing it again, there's no reason to change it. I wasn't on this forum in the interim, as I was happy with Fifa PC.
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Xav1
Barcamanmessi
- 11 June 2013
Andresha Bawono @andreshapradana 3h
@Adam_Bhatti Barcelona has an exclussive contract with EA. So, Barça is not licensed??
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Adam Bhatti @Adam_Bhatti 3h
@andreshapradana we have La Liga license, don't worry.
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ALEX99 pes fan @WWEALEX99 2h
@Adam_Bhatti so barcelona wil be licensed at pes 2014
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@WWEALEX99 100%
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Basically, is he saying all Spanish teams are licensed? Excuse my ignorance in this matter.
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@andreshapradana we have La Liga license, don't worry.
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@Adam_Bhatti so barcelona wil be licensed at pes 2014
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Basically, is he saying all Spanish teams are licensed? Excuse my ignorance in this matter.
Yeah I know it's konami we are dealing with anything can happen but yeah if they pull it off will take the experience to
another level.
dannyfc2
Premier League
- 9 June 2009
Speak for yourself, I'd be more interested in the Chilean and Argentinian leagues then using the same old tired out CL fodder again. PES is at its worst when you use the top teams, 100mph and lazer guided shots, even in PES5.
gerd
Retired Footballer
How long a team or a country plays football is rahter irrelevant. One of the best teams in my country (Belgium) is less than 20 years old.
IMO the Japanese and the Korean league are pretty strong leagues.
I don't agree with you, but you've answered my question. Thanks.
IMO the Japanese and the Korean league are pretty strong leagues.
I don't agree with you, but you've answered my question. Thanks.
gabe.paul.logan
Retired Footballer
i know i started that the south american and asian leagues are not the most charming factors/leagues in a footy game in general, but it ended up in a kindergarden like argue
sorry guys truly starting 5 pages of spam, now pls cut this shit
sorry guys truly starting 5 pages of spam, now pls cut this shit
Jamezinho
Golden Boot Winner
That clown would be me and I believe I have correctly described your 'little Englander' perspective on football.
Open your eyes. Football is a global sport with a rich history and culture on every continent.
Asia is far from a footballing backwater. There are many great clubs in Japan, South Korea and Iran that draw huge, fanatical crowds. I for one am glad to see the three biggest confederations represented in PES - Europe, South America and Asia.
CalcioCalabrese
Weekend warrior
I'm from Australia with Italian parents. I will absolutely play the ACL even though my team hasn't qualified this year. I will check out the Chilean league. On PES 2013 I played ML's with Atletico Miniero and Atletico Madrid. Love playing exhibition games with the weaker teams too. Random match ups between a French and Dutch side provide some brilliant moments.
No offence to the English guys here but to the narrow minded ones, there is football outside of the UK and a lot of it is just as attractive as the the EPL. And regardless, the EPL kits/teams are the first ones corrected in option files so it's no biggie Everyone wants their own team/league licenced but as the previous guy said, more licences = more reach = more cash for Konami to invest in the game = good news hopefully.
p.s. Jamez is right re fanatical crowds. Australia recently put on crowds of 85,000 plus 91,000 roughly for the visiting Man Utd and Liverpool matches. Although not local teams, it does show that a lot of football fans exist in other countries. Some of the Asian teams that have played Champions League against my local team have played some very technical and well drilled systems.
No offence to the English guys here but to the narrow minded ones, there is football outside of the UK and a lot of it is just as attractive as the the EPL. And regardless, the EPL kits/teams are the first ones corrected in option files so it's no biggie
Everyone wants their own team/league licenced but as the previous guy said, more licences = more reach = more cash for Konami to invest in the game = good news hopefully.p.s. Jamez is right re fanatical crowds. Australia recently put on crowds of 85,000 plus 91,000 roughly for the visiting Man Utd and Liverpool matches. Although not local teams, it does show that a lot of football fans exist in other countries. Some of the Asian teams that have played Champions League against my local team have played some very technical and well drilled systems.
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